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There are 15 messages in this issue of Spectropop.
Topics in this Digest Number 308:
1. Re: Carol Connors
From: Bryan
2. Re: George Harrison Rest in Peace
From: "Jean Emmanuel Dubois"
3. Re: Stocking Tops - Mort Shuman
From: Stephane Rebeschini
4. Whoops !
From: Don Baylis
5. Re: Margo Guryan
From: "Jennifer Sullivan"
6. The Free Design "Love Does Not Die"
From: "David Ponak"
7. New Phil news
From: Mark Landwehr
8. CAROL CONNORS
From: Mick Patrick
9. George Harrison
From: "Paul Payton"
10. Big TNT Show playing at EMP in Seattle, Dec. 12 (!!!!!!!!!!)
From: "David Parkinson"
11. "DuShon vs. Ronnie"; Carol Connors, more questions
From: "Paul Payton"
12. more Carol
From: "Phil Chapman"
13. Memorabilia
From: "Spectropop Administration"
14. Re: Memorabilia
From: "Bill Reed"
15. Carol & Cheryl
From: "Ian Chapman"
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:45:37 -0800
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: Carol Connors
> Not just yet. Bryan Thomas told us about two more she
> did with a Del-Fi group that included Arthur Lee.
I hope I wasn't misleading; the single of "Santa The
Sidewalk Surfer" was a one-off recording for Del-Fi, done
at the same time that Lee and Echols (later of Love) were
in the studio doing a single of their own. They weren't
in a "group", as such, even though Bob Keane/or Carol
Connors/or someone titled the "group" The Surfettes for
this release, but I doubt that Lee/ Echols ever were in
the same room again after that.
Bryan
P.S. We all knew it was coming, but I was very sad to
wake up and turn on my radio to hear about "L'Angelo
Misterioso" passing away this morning. I recently
obtained 5 discs containing the entire 'All Things Must
Pass' recording sessions, and I will no doubt be playing
those quite a bit today.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:26:43 +0200 (MET)
From: "Jean Emmanuel Dubois"
Subject: Re: George Harrison Rest in Peace
What a f***ed-up day George is dead! When you think of
some awful people still alive and kiceking-there is no
justice-
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:58:05 +0100
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: Re: Stocking Tops - Mort Shuman
Paul Underwood a ecrit :
> I do agree with this. I haven't heard the Enchanted
> Forest's record since I lost my copy around 1975, but I
> know it was good. Who were they? I seem to remember
> reading that one of them was the sister of some famous
> singer. Also, Mort Shuman was an interesting case study:
> around the time of this record he was also adapting
> Jacques Brel songs and recording a strange album of his
> own called "My Death". Does anyone know of other records
> produced by him?
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As you probably already know, Mort Shuman was half of the
Doc Pomus/Mort Shuman songwriting team, who wrote "Save
The Last Dance For Me" and many other classic songs.
Strangely enough, Shuman move to France in the mid-70's
where he became a very popular singer and composer of
soundtracks for teenager movies. He was very often
invited on TV shows and was speaking an excellent french,
with a touch of US accent, good face (with a big
moustache) and a good sense of humor that made him
"interesting" to invite. The French radios played a lot
of his songs, generally sung in French with some English
words : "Allo Papa Tango Charlie", "Sorrows", "Un Ete De
Porcelaine", "Zinguichor"...
I think he died about ten years ago.
Stephane, from France
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:21:26 -0000
From: Don Baylis
Subject: Whoops !
>From Peter
> Don can't be serious. Alan (not Allen) Klein was a
> British semi rock'n'roll, semi music hall performer
I guess we live and learn .. I can't say I have ever
heard of the second Klein so figured they were one and
the same, especially as the time period was correct. So
wrong I am and thanks for the correction and the info.
Don
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:42:47 -0500
From: "Jennifer Sullivan"
Subject: Re: Margo Guryan
Nope you are certainly not alone. I adore Margo and
collect her stuff..I have also had the pleasure of
getting to know her.
A truly remarkable woman!!
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:48:25 -0800
From: "David Ponak"
Subject: The Free Design "Love Does Not Die"
"Love Does Not Die" is truly a stunning track, and in
light of the events of the past couple of months, I've
found myself listening to it more than a few times. I
adore the Free Design, but I usually shrug off their
"spiritual" elements as kitschy; however, this song sends
chills down my spine every time I hear it. The album it's
on, "There Is A Song" (available on CD from Teichiku
Records in Japan) was recorded after they left Project
3/Enoch Light, and it has a more natural sound and really
showcases the Dedricks' amazing vocal blend.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:12:58 -0500
From: Mark Landwehr
Subject: New Phil news
While watching the morning news on CNN, a report on the
death of George Harrison mentioned the lawsuit re: "My
Sweet Lord," saying that it was "similar to Phil
Spector's 'He's So Fine'"....
Belated congratulations to Uncle Phil on a previously
unknown hit record :-)
Mark
The Phil Spector Record Label Gallery @
http://home.tbbs.net/~msland/Spector
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:21:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: CAROL CONNORS
Greetings,
So, some of you guys are compiling a Carol Connors
discography between you. That's a tough job to take on.
Just the thought of it is enough to bring on one of my
heads. Here's a few CC titbits to help out, or
complicate matters further:
The B-side of the Carol & Cheryl 45 on Colpix was "Sunny
Winter". I seem to recall reading somewhere, about a
hundred years ago, that Carol & Cheryl were sisters and
that this record was also released bearing the name the
Carmel Sisters. I can't confirm the latter point but
there was a Carmel Sisters 45 on Jubilee 5464, titles
were "Joey's Comin' Home" and "The Rumor". Could this be
Miss Kleinbard/Connors and her sister? A little listen
and look at the small print should answer that. Someone?
Carol Connors was NOT in the Spectors Three. The girl in
the Spectors Three publicity photo was Phil Spector's
first wife Annette Lee Merar (alias Corie Sands). The
girl singing on the records was ubiquitous Los Angeles
session-singer/songwriter/producer Rickie Page. So, no
need to include tracks by this group on any Carol Connors
bootlegs then! Personally, I'd MUCH prefer a Rickie Page
CD any day.
Well, enough from me, I'm off to wax my woody (!).
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:45:39 -0500
From: "Paul Payton"
Subject: George Harrison
One of my all-time favorite tracks by Ronnie Spector is
George Harrison's "Try Some, Buy Some." (Still got it -
with picture sleeve.) To hear Paul McCartney tell it
today on the radio, George had indeed perfected "The Art
of Dying." He was bright and positive to the end, wary of
the darkness and on his way to the Inner Light.
Going to work today, I took the three double Beatle CD's
>from a few years ago and played lots of the Harrison cuts
for the whole trip. All things must indeed pass, but my
guitar gently weeps at another Wilbury taking his final
travel upon his dark horse.
Country Paul
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:49:33 -0800
From: "David Parkinson"
Subject: Big TNT Show playing at EMP in Seattle, Dec. 12 (!!!!!!!!!!)
I just stumbled across this, so anyone in Seattle who
wants to meet for a beer before or after, get in touch
with me.
Wow!! I'm very excited about this... I've only recently
started to discover some of the very cool stuff that goes
on at the EMP.
The Big T.N.T. Show
December 12
7:15 and 9:00 p.m.
(Dir. Larry Peerce, 1966, 93 min.)
Special Note: Rare public screening of the original cut!
Produced by Phil Spector, T.N.T. was perhaps the last
truly great ensemble music television program of the
1960s. The stage rocked with the likes of Bo Diddley, Ike
and Tina Turner, Ray Charles, and The Ronettes, and
everyone delivered great sets. Long available only in a
highlights compilation, this is the original uncut
program!
Also on Dec. 5, less cool than the TNT show but something
I've never seen:
Privilege
December 5
7:00 and 9:00 p.m.
(Dir. Peter Watkins, 1967, 103 min.)
Special Note: Original 35mm studio print!
The cynical British government employs a teen icon to
appease the nation's youth and keep them from getting
involved in politics. When teen star Paul Jones (from
Manfred Mann) reaches the height of his power, the kids
chant "We will conform!" at his stadium concert. In
response, Jones becomes jaded and tries to rebel against
the system.
David
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:28:26 -0500
From: "Paul Payton"
Subject: "DuShon vs. Ronnie"; Carol Connors, more questions
Mick Patrick, before war breaks out, let me first thank
you for the write-up on Jean DuShon which I printed out
and am storing next to the two 45's I have. I appreciate
your knowledge and opinions, and recognize the wide range
of tastes here. I'm just expressing mine, and as with
most people, I think I'm more forgiving in my personal
favorite genres than in less-favored ones.
I am a fan of most kinds of music, and have worked with
many kinds professionally. I find a full range of good
and bad in every genre. To my former-music-director's
ears, the Scepter-Wand sound of the early 60's sounded
cheap and tinny in comparison to much else out there, and
I personally tend to rate it down a few notches.
Obviously, it sold many copies, and as it did, it filled
in and became much richer to my ears. (Quick comparison:
the thinness of Chuck Jackson's "I Don't Want To Cry" vs.
the richness of "Any Day Now," which I love.) I used to
hear new Shirelles 45's and think how much better it
would've been with a Spector instead of a Scepter track!
But again, "Baby It's You" is a great fave. I still think
Spector's DuShon 45 served her far better than the Lenox
45, but from your notes, her "creds" are certainly in
order. Better than Ronnie Spector? Probably more
diversified from your write-up, but Ronnie did and does
her thing wonderfully. My ears remain open, and thank you
for the background. I think each of us on this list knows
a lot about many areas, but certainly not everything
about everything. (And thanks for the reminder about the
Martha Smith 45, a great lost track here in the US.)
By the way, Mick, I must disagree that the Ronettes
"would have been nothing" without Spector. They were
already enjoying more pre-Phil success than most
struggling artists of the era: "Memory" is a very fine if
dated side which was a low-level hit in NYC, and Murray
the K also saw their talent and booked them on many of
his famous live shows. It's just that Ronnie and Phil
together had the magic combination that made it all work.
Cameo-Parkway/Red Bird fans in NJ - I was browsing at
Princeton Record Exchange today and saw several original
compilations on those labels in their used vinyl
department, many at fairly reasonable prices. IMHO, worth
the trip if you're in the area.
Speaking of C-P, I should mention over several months
earlier this year I had the pleasure of meeting Al
Gorgoni (the "other half" of Just Us with Chip Taylor and
so much more), who handed me a recent CD (maybe 2-3 years
old) by Evie Sands! Her voice was still there, but the
songs were sorta lackluster, I'm afraid. I'd give more
details, but the CD seems to have "gone missing." If
anyone wants a mailing address for him, contact me
off-list.
Re: Chip Taylor, anyone know where I could find his first
45 - as Wes Voight - "Little Joan" on DeLuxe (the King
subsid), probably late 50's?
Brian C.: I have Carol Connors' "Angel My Angel"/"Never"
(1964, produced by Jim Economides) but the 45 is kinda
"crispy critters," especially "Never." I'd be glad to
send you a cassette dub of it (it may take a while - full
schedule. Please contact me off list for more info). I
also have a clean copy of the Story Tellers' 45
(Dimension, 1963); a fresh listen after many years
reveals it to be very good, but not the song I was
thinking of! THAT one is called "Only Time Will Tell";
it's a girl group sound, lots of reverb, sorta light
cha-cha and very lush a la Spectors 3; I remember the
title and the hook are sung in the chorus, which
modulated up a third from the verse. Anyone with any help
here, please?
And while on that sound, anyone have any info on Skip &
The Echotones, "Born To Love" (Warwick, 1960)? Imagine a
slightly fuller-sounding Fleetwoods doing a cha-cha.
Super record!
Special thanks to Paul Urbahns for off-list stuff.
Finally: RIP, George Harrison. We're down to half the
Beatles and 3/5 of the Wilburys. Tomorrow never knows.
Country Paul
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:54:02 -0000
From: "Phil Chapman"
Subject: more Carol
> Jamie "dying to hear Lonely Little Beach Girl" LePage
Kiss of life awaits at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Phil
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 04:46:51 -0000
From: "Spectropop Administration"
Subject: Memorabilia
Posted to Spectropop Bulletin board by by Bish
on Fri, 30 Nov 2001
http://www.escribe.com/music/spectropop/bb/index.html?bID=257
Hi, I'm a Girl Group record collector from Scotland, and
I'm looking for some help. Does anyone know if there
are places where you can buy posters advertising girl
group concerts or package tours? Failing that, publicity
pictures of groups like the Ronettes, the Shangri-La's et.c
I've been all over the web, but with absolutely no luck.
Any ideas/guidance would be most appreciated.
Many thanks
Bish
Edinburgh
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:15:40 -0800
From: "Bill Reed"
Subject: Re: Memorabilia
> Hi, I'm a Girl Group record collector from Scotland, and
> I'm looking for some help. Does anyone know if there
> are places where you can buy posters advertising girl
> group concerts or package tours? Failing that, publicity
> pictures of groups like the Ronettes, the Shangri-La's et.c
> I've been all over the web, but with absolutely no luck.
>
> Any ideas/guidance would be most appreciated.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Bish
> Edinburgh
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The amazing new Amoeba record store in LA has tons of new
and repros along these lines:
http://www.amoebamusic.com; 323 245 6400
bill reed
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:25:34 -0000
From: "Ian Chapman"
Subject: Carol & Cheryl
Brian,
The flip of "Go Go GTO" is a fab ballad called "Sunny
Winter".
Ian
>"Go Go G.T.O." -- Carol & Cheryl. Another killer 45
>that has the same song on both sides.
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