Spectropop - Digest Number 327

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There are 12 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 327:

      1. HOLIDAY GREETINGS TO ALL AT SPECTROPOP
           From: Freeman Carmack 
      2. Merry Christmas
           From: Michael Rashkow 
      3. the 10th annual Phil Spector Marathon
           From: "Spectropop Administration" 
      4. Re: yes sir thats my baby
           From: "Brad Elliott" 
      5. Of Marginal Interest
           From: LePageWeb 
      6. Re: Garry Bonner/Alan Gordon
           From: "Cedric" 
      7. Grady Martin
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      8. Grady Martin
           From: John Briggs 
      9. GRADY MARTIN
           From: Warren Cosford 
     10. Re: yes sir thats my baby
           From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
     11. Re: yes sir thats my baby- Hale and The Hushabyes
           From: "John Lester" 
     12. Dunwich, Byzantine Empire, Chicago rock band, 1968
           From: Bruce Kerr 


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Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:10:13 -0000
   From: Freeman Carmack 
Subject: HOLIDAY GREETINGS TO ALL AT SPECTROPOP

I wish everyone here a Very Merry Christmas, Happy New
Year; greatest Holiday Wishes.

May the light of love shine in all our hearths (or fake
fireplaces).

And,as Stevie Wonder sang,"Heaven help us all".

I just re-discovered Billy Preston's "That's the Way God
Planned it", and have been listening to it non-stop for
the last few days.

My fondest wish is for peace of heart, peace of mind for
everyone.

God bless,

Freeman Carmack
a transplanted,homesick Virginian, living in Ohio


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Message: 2
   Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:55:42 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: Merry Christmas

The Best of All Seasons To Each and All of You

My gift is the thought that the American Airlines
incident gives new meaning to the phrase  "Sh-Boom".

Rashkovsky


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Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:00:00 +0900
   From: "Spectropop Administration" 
Subject: the 10th annual Phil Spector Marathon

Posted to the Spectropop Bulletin Board by 
Beatle Bob  on Mon, 24 Dec 2001


Be listening to WEW 770am on December 26th, from
6:00am-10am central standard time- for the 10th Annual
Phil Spector Marathon. This four hour radio special
includes Phil Spector hits, rarities, and Disciples of
Spector: other producers and artists who tried to copy
Spector's Wall of Sound techniques. 

The special will be hosted by Roy St. John, Beatle Bob,
and Tony C., and can be heard live on the web via
http://www.wewradio.com 

WEW is the oldest radio station west of the Mississippi,
and second oldest in the United States, coming on just
weeks after KDKA in Pittsburgh. Please join us for this
tribute to the greatest rock & roll producer of all-time!!!

Time zone converter: http://www.cnn.com/WEATHER/worldtime/


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Message: 4
   Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:34:08 -0600
   From: "Brad Elliott" 
Subject: Re: yes sir thats my baby

Jack Madani wrote:

> Here's what's bothering me about "Yes Sir, That's My
> Baby:" I could absolutely SWEAR that I had heard it
> before the "artist=date with soul" version that was
> posted to the list.  I went back through the spectropop
> archives and re-found the posts referring to a release
> under the artist name "Hale & The Hushabyes," and that
> definitely jogs something in the ol' brainpan; sounds
> like the artist name that i remembered.  But then I have
> been going through my cd and vinyl collections for the
> past few days and I cannot find it anywhere!  Argh!
> Where is it, and how did I hear it?

My guess would be that you heard it on a copy of the,
ummm, "gray market" Japanese CD, "Still I Dream Of You:
Rare Works of Brian Wilson."  The compilers of that CD
included the track because it features Brian among the
backing vocalists.

> Any help would be appreciated.  Is it possible someone
> can offer a history of this recording and all the places
> (legal and otherwise) that it has shown up?  This has
> really gotten under my skin.

The only legal releases I'm aware of are these:

1. June 1964, Apogee A104, as by Hale & The Hushabyes --
"Yes Sir, That's My Baby" b/w "900 Quetzals"

2. August 1964, Reprise 0299, as by Hale & The Hushabyes
-- "Yes Sir, That's My Baby" b/w "Jack's Theme"

3. September 1967, York 408, as by The Date With Soul --
"Yes Sir, That's My Baby" b/w "Bee Side Soul"

If it's appeared anywhere else legally, it's not
something I've ever run across.  And the only "gray
market" release I've ever seen with it is the
aforementioned "Still I Dream Of You" CD.

Surf's up!
Brad


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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 15:23:11 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Of Marginal Interest

Jack Madani wrote:

> So, is there a place where a fella can see tracklists
> for albums on the Marginal label? I been wondering
> about the Crystals and Darlene Love albums especially.

Jack - both CDs are listed on the Spector CD page:

http://www.spectropop.com/go2/philspectorcd.html


Best wishes to all for a great holiday season,


Jamie


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Message: 6
   Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:30:31 -0000
   From: "Cedric" 
Subject: Re: Garry Bonner/Alan Gordon

The Gandalf LP was reissued on CD in the UK on See For
Miles Records. You could easily get a copy on the Freak
Emporium website.

Cedric

"Javed Jafri" wrote:
> 
> 
> I have heard the Gandalf album and posted some info about
> it on this very list some years ago. 
> 
> [ http://www.spectropop.com/archive/digest/m33.html
]

> 
> I still believe that it is a buried treasure and well
> worth the effort to seek out. The album is a  psyche-soft
> pop-progressive hybrid somewhat like the latter day
> Zombies Like the Zombies "Odessey and Oracle" it  was
> recorded in 1967 but came out in 1969. Gandalf would not
> have heard Odessey and Oracle so their record is a good
> example of how totally independent forces in pop music
> were moving in the same directions in 1967.


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Message: 7
   Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:01:53 EST
   From: Paul Urbahns 
Subject: Grady Martin

I saw an appearance by Al Hirt on the Nashville network.
I may have it on videotape someplace. He was talking
about how all his big hits were recorded in Nashville. He
said he walked into the studio and here was all these
great Nashville musicians standing around with no music
on the stand. But he said they did a fantastic job. 

When talking about Grady Martin he compared him to
Vincent Bell in New York. He said Vinny Bell (as Al Hirt
called him) had all kinds of black boxes attached to his
guitar to make unusual sounds, Grady Martin could do the
same thing with a standard guitar and small amp. It was
amazing according to Hirt.

Paul Urbahns
Just repeating what he heard.


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Message: 8
   Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:57:35 -0000
   From: John Briggs 
Subject: Grady Martin

I think it was the Marty Robbins song "Don't Worry 'Bout
Me" that had the unprecedented wildly distorted fuzz tone
guitar solo by the late great Grady Martin.  Something
about those old glowing tubes that is pure MAGIC!


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Message: 9
   Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:51:48 -0500
   From: Warren Cosford 
Subject: GRADY MARTIN

Rashkovsky - Michael Rashkow wrote

> I heard a NPR, All Things Considered segment about Grady
> Martin, of whom I was unaware.   He was a major force and
> innnovator it seems--according to one musician
> interviewed for the broadcast, he was responsible for
> accidently inventing "fuzz-tone", when his amp went bad
> on---Oh God, if only I could remember the cut. 

I'm not sure of the cut either but my favourite Grady
Martin fuzz-tone solo was on a 1963 record by Jack Scott
called Laugh and The World Laughs With You.  

WC


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Message: 10
   Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:12:20 -0800
   From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
Subject: Re: yes sir thats my baby

> Here's what's bothering me about "Yes Sir, That's My
> Baby:" I could absolutely SWEAR that I had heard it
> before the "artist=date with soul" version that was
> posted to the list.  I went back through the spectropop
> archives and re-found the posts referring to a release
> under the artist name "Hale & The Hushabyes," and that
> definitely jogs something in the ol' brainpan; sounds
> like the artist name that i remembered.  But then I have
> been going through my cd and vinyl collections for the
> past few days and I cannot find it anywhere!  Argh!
> Where is it, and how did I hear it?

No Jack, you're not hallucinating - at least not about
this!:-)

This recording was first released in June 1964 as Hale
and The Hushabyes on Apogee A 104.  The B-side was "900
Quetzals."

Then it was picked up by Reprise and reissued on August 3
of the same year as Reprise 0299; this time the B-side is
listed as "Jack's Theme" (a coincidence? - I think
not!:-); actually I suspect it's a reference to Nitzsche,
who produced the 45).  This was also credited to Hale and
The Hushabyes

The Date With Soul version was the third and final 45
issue (York 408, September 1967).  The B-side is listed
as "Bee Side Soul."

The only one I've actually owned is the York 45, and the
flip is simply the track of the A-side.  I would guess
that's probably the case with the other issues also.

It's on the STILL I DREAM OF IT: RARE WORKS OF BRIAN
WILSON CD on M&M Records; perhaps that's where you heard
it.

And thanks to Brad Elliott for the info here; he probably
recognizes it as being from his book!:-)

Jeff


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Message: 11
   Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:41:09 -0000
   From: "John Lester" 
Subject: Re: yes sir thats my baby- Hale and The Hushabyes

Jeffrey Glenn wrote:

> This recording was first released in June 1964 as Hale
> and The Hushabyes on Apogee A 104.  The B-side was
> "900 Quetzals."
> 
> Then it was picked up by Reprise and reissued on
> August 3 of the same year as Reprise 0299; this time
> the B-side is listed as "Jack's Theme" (a coincidence?
> - I think not!:-); actually I suspect it's a reference
> to Nitzsche, who produced the 45).  This was also
> credited to Hale and The Hushabyes
> 
> The Date With Soul version was the third and final 45
> issue (York 408, September 1967).  The B-side is
> listed as "Bee Side Soul."

Mick Patrick talks about this quite extensively in one
of the old PSI magazines....

For me, it was a great record and those vocals from Edna
Wright aka Sandy Wynns made it for me.  

I have it on UK Stateside .....


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Message: 12
   Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:55:27 EST
   From: Bruce Kerr 
Subject: Dunwich, Byzantine Empire, Chicago rock band, 1968

Hi,

In Spectropop Digest Number 196 "Larry Grogan" wrote
this past June:

> I just grabbed a copy of a 45 by a group called the
> Byzantine Empire, doing a version of Almer's 'Shadows and
> Reflections' (more famous version by the Action). The 45
> is from the Amy/Bell/Mala group but has a Dunwich logo on
> the side. Does anyone have any idea where/when this is
> from?

<http://www.spectropop.com/archive/digest/m664.html>


Then Dan Hughes replied with a link to a Dunwich
compilation.

I was so surprised, having been in the Byzantine Empire,
sang and played on "Shadows and Reflections," etc....I
only typed in Google: Byzantine Empire and "music" just
to see what might come up, expecting nothing and...wow.

Anyway, what would anyone like to know? The Byzantine
Empire were all U. of Michigan guys, from Glencoe,
Illinois (2 guys; near Chicago), one guy from Detroit,
one from Akron, Ohio, and myself from Waukesha,
Wisconsin. After several 45's on small Chicago labels
(Afton, USA Records, Omnibus) we signed with Bill Traut
who owned Dunwich; also Wooden Nickel. Bill had made a
big hit with American Breed- another Chicago group (also
produced some for a young Todd Rungren in the Philly
group, "Nazz.")

Bill signed us as an Association-type harmony group
because we had tight 5 part pop/rock harmonies, 03 lead
singers, played our own instruments reasonably well,
(could kick-ass at a fraternity gig, doing covers, but
that didn't matter to Bill). Bill produced a total of 6
demos, including "Shadows & Reflections," pretty much
the same arrangement of instruments and harmonies as the
demo for that one, but with horns arranged by Bill's
good friend and pianist at a good Chicago hotel, Eddie
Higgins. All our songs with Bill had those (American
Breed-successful) horns; for some songs, even oboes and
french horns.

(Tandyn Almer, the writer, is the guy who wrote "Cherish,"
right, as I recall?)

Byz. Emp. also put out "Snow Queen," by Carole King
(another demo in Bill's office stack he made us go
through to find our "hit song," to go along with our
album originals). That one was a Gavin Pick, so we
thought we'd made it. Not so.

We had been "The 5 Bucks" in '65 on, then changed to
"Byzantine Empire" when Bill said, rightly, we needed a
new name. I was a history major and suggested the name,
a weird choice of a name in retrospect, but what wasn't
that year? We played Chicago in the summers and Ann
Arbor in the school year, driving back to Chicago when
the gig or money called for it. 

Bill sold us as a package and remained producer, but
none of our records hit. The sound in '68 had already
turned heavy (Hendrix/Doors/Cream), and we should have
pointed toward Strawberry Alarm Clock, but Bill had us
pegged as Association, All-American clean guys with
longish (Beatle-ish) hair and sailing harmonies. A good
bet, but...we were just college guys who could sing and
write some good songs, some mediocre.

Bill went on to take Styx and REO Speedwagon to L.A.
where he moved Wooden Nickel and rode those groups from
Midwest favorites to international best sellers, and
certainly huge, nationally.

So, "Shadows & Reflections" was during our 2nd demo
session with Bill, probably summer/fall '68. Bill
produces Jazz sessions in L.A. last I talked to him
(1987).

I have more details on Byzantine Empire if anyone wants
them. I'm in touch with 1 other member, who's in touch
with 1 more, plus we know where the 4th guy is, but not
the 5th.

After the Byz. Emp., I followed Bill's advice and went
to his alma mater, U/Wisc. Law School, practiced 1 1/2
years in Milwaukee, then took 20 years to travel and
perform as a solo, up until 1993, when I went back to
law. I was a club musician/comedian, and went by the
name, "Loose Bruce Kerr." I opened for Weird Al, and had
my parodies on syndicated radio shows in the '80's and
90's (Dr. Demento/Rush Limbaugh/Jim Bohannon).

Anyway, that's the story on "Shadows & Reflections,"
your 45, and the Byzantine Empire, a fixture in Chicago
area mostly teen rock clubs (anyone remember "The New
Place in Algonquin?), Sunday shows at the Aragon with
the Buckinghams, Shadows of NIght, Flock, etc.? Freebies
for WLS jocks' daughters' backyard parties. Opening big
Hammond, Ind. indoor shows for the Turtles, Animals,
Iron Butterfly, Hollies, Sam the Sham, Kingsmen. We
never made it big, but we lived the dream and saw the
scene.

Then we graduated and that was that.

I have 2 45's from back then, one of them is "Shadows &
Reflections." Are there any other Byzantine Emp.
songs/records out there (or 5 Bucks), or was this lone
email the only cry in the wild re that obscure footnote
in Chicago '60's pop music history?

Merry Christmas!

Bruce Kerr

PS. ...one more thing, you can hear my latest parody
song ("Oh Taliban, Oh Taliban") for free at: 

http://www.cereus7.com/kerr/

For you, Spectropop.


"Loose Bruce" Kerr


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