________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Manufactured in Seoul, Korea. Copyright licensed by KOMCA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 19 messages in this issue. Topics in this Digest Number 335: 1. Re: The song Orange Colored Sky From: "Joseph Scott" 2. Shangs again From: "Ian Chapman" 3. Tandyn Almer From: "Harvey Williams" 4. Foskett, Almer et al From: "Kingsley Abbott" 5. Tandyn/Troubadour From: Matthew David 6. Re: Happiness Is Orange Colored Sky From: James Botticelli 7. Re: Magic Lamp From: Elisa 8. Magic Lamp, Fountains, Wondermints, Cruise (not Pablo) From: "Paul Payton" 9. I'm So Good To You From: James Botticelli 10. Re: Magic Lamp, Fountains, Wondermints, Cruise (not Pablo) From: Andrew Hickey 11. Re: Shangs again From: "Tony Leong " 12. Jamie's Desk! From: "Martin Roberts" 13. Goldmine February issue From: "Keith Beach" 14. Wondermints From: Pekka Laine 15. Wash That Softness Right Out Of Your Hair!!! From: "Martin Roberts" 16. Re: BIG TOWN BOY From: LePageWeb 17. Woah there Boy!! From: "Martin Roberts" 18. BIG TOWN BOY From: Mick Patrick 19. Admin Note From: Spectropop Group ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:43:14 -0700 From: "Joseph Scott" Subject: Re: The song Orange Colored Sky "Orange Colored Sky" was a silly song hit written by Milton DeLugg (a popular accordionist on TV) and Willie Stein back around 1949 or 1950. Betty Hutton, who was the '40s-'50s Cyndi Lauper, recorded it back then, as did others including Nat "King" Cole backed by Stan Kenton and his Orchestra. Zappa likely knew it then, as a child. The lyrics "I was walking along minding my business when love came and hit me in the eye -- Flash! Bam! Alakazam!", were perfect for a novelty artist like Hutton; having Ward record the song all those years later cleverly associated those lyrics with the campy words on the screen during fights on the Batman series. Joseph Scott --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:08:59 -0000 From: "Ian Chapman" Subject: Shangs again Tony wrote: > Plus, Shadow Morton confirmed it for me last Spring > that the lead SINGING voice on "What Is Love" IS Betty > Weiss. Thanks for clearing that one up at last, Tony. But the puzzling question still remains: If Betty's voice was that good (and on the evidence of "What Is Love" I'll stick my neck out and suggest it was even better than Mary's) then why didn't they use her more often?? >Any way, I > have a version of "I Can Never Go Home Anymore" where > after the violins end at the bridge, Mary pleads > "Lissssten--I'm not finisssshhhhed" (as breathlessly and > emotionally as only SHE could), then the line 'Did you > ever get that feeling....." continues. In the normal > pressings of the song (sans "I'm not finished"), that > line is edited out into a bit of a mumble if you listen > closely Yes, the only place I know where you can find that version is on Taragon's "Very Best of Red Bird/Blue Cat Records". This is a collection which everyone with any interest in those labels should try and obtain. Taragon have a reputation for high quality mastering, and the (true) stereo on this set is absolutely stunning - apart >from Mary's extra spoken bit, you will hear lots of little instrumental detail that you weren't aware of before. I think it's still available, but check Taragon's site at http://www.taragon.com/ Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:34:17 -0000 From: "Harvey Williams" Subject: Tandyn Almer Great to see so much discussion about Tandyn Almer in the group lately, and to actually hear Degeneration Gap after years of searching; thanks for that Al. I actually quite like it!! Tandyn also wrote Little Girl Lost & Found, a minor hit for for the Garden Club (as has been mentioned round here before), and could conceivably been a member of said combo too. (It was covered fabulously in the UK by Peter & The Wolves.) I also ought to mention a 45 by a band called Pleasure entitled Poor Old Organ Grinder, which has an Almer writing credit. It's another great multi-sectioned big production opus, telling the tale of a highwire act which goes terribly wrong.... I believe he also recorded an LP of demos for Almo/Irving Publishing (like the Paul Williams-Roger Nichols LP); there's also a songbook called "Along Comes Tandyn", which contains "12 new songs arranged for pop groups", such as "I Get High", "Sunset Strip Soliloquy", "Alice Designs" & others. I've no idea where these numbers ended up, or indeed where Almer ended up. Does anyone else? All the best for 2002, Harvey Williams. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:04:15 -0000 From: "Kingsley Abbott" Subject: Foskett, Almer et al Picking up on a couple of recent threads, I'd like to thoroughly recommend any and all of Jeff Foskett's solo work. There are several CD's, all of which feature wonderful melodies and full harmonies. Also, his sidekick on New Surf records Jeff Larson, has two excellent albums available too, with "Watercolour Sky" being a great place to start. Apparantly the pair have plans for a joint venture later this year which should be quite something. Seriously woth investigating by anyone on this list! Regarding Tandyn Almer and his writing credits, I seem to recall that there was a school of thought that had Curt Boettcher as the original writer of "Along Comes Mary" before TA popped up. What stage the song was at that point is of course anyone's guess. I don't think anyone ever totally sorted that one out, so I guess that we must trust what shows as the current credits. Well worth reading Dawn Eden's great original Goldmine piece about the whole Curt/Gary Usher time - so much great music emerged at that time. One credit Tandyn Almer does appear to have (Co- with 'Walsh') is on the single "Little Girl Lost And Found" by The Garden Club (A&M 848). He co-arranged it too with the producer Larry Marks. It's a totally lovely slab of sunshine music, which Joe Foster reckons has Ruth Ann Friedman singing on with others. Its another thoroughly recommended disc worth seriously considering selling granny for! A happy, safe and healthy 2002 to all Kingsley Abbott --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 19:38:53 EST From: Matthew David Subject: Tandyn/Troubadour Bruce Kerr writes: > ...was Tandyn Almer a performer as well, do you know? There's a 1969 album by Dennis Olivieri called COME TO THE PARTY. Tandyn Almer produced the album and is credited with playing rocksichord, Thomas Celebrity Organ and autoharp. Here's an excerpt from the John Kay book MAGIC CARPET RIDE: "A group (called The Men) rehearsed at the Troubadour during the day, ten guys, an all male folk revue. Doug Weston was involved in putting them together and they performed at the Music Box Theater in Hollywood for awhile. One of the guys in the group was an artist named Tony Mafia, part Sicilian and part Cherokee. Following a difference of opinion with the others, Tony was thrown out of the group. The remaining members went on to become the pop group The Association, whose first hit, Along Comes Mary, was written by Tandyn Alma who lived upstairs at the Troubadour in a little room next to Doug Weston's office. He was reclusive but friendly, a truly talented piano player and songwriter." --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:34:48 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Happiness Is Orange Colored Sky In a message dated 12/31/01, stealth munchkin writes: > have always wondered if Orange Colored Sky was, like its > A-side, a Frank Zappa song. My only memory of Orange Colored Sky is Natalie Cole's version on the "Unforgettable" album where she resurrected her Dad. So its probably written by a pop writer of the 50's if its the same song. However if its "Orange Sky", it could have been written by Arthur Lee of Love in '67 or so...Either that or I don't know. Hope that didn't hurt...JB --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 16:46:28 -0000 From: Elisa Subject: Re: Magic Lamp Hello everyone! I've just come back from a frosty and lovely new year's in North Yorkshire...my new kitten Minna is sleeping by my feet. Bless. > Now can anyone tell me anything about Jane Canada, who did > the excellent original of Jackie DeShannon's Am I Dreaming > on Magic Lamp records? Indeed can anyone tell me more > about Magic Lamp - the only other 45 I have on this label > is a Johnny Burnette production. I can't tell you about Jane Canada (awesome name though...) but I have to say, this is the first time I've ever heard anyone talk about Magic Lamp records! All I know about them is that it was the Carpenters' first label, probably based somewhere near their hometown of Downey CA, for which they recorded the amazing "I'll be yours", the flip side of "looking for love". As far as I know a lot of the label's masters were lost in a fire, and Richard Carpenter had to transfer the song from his copy for the box set that came out a few years back. There are only 500 copies of the single around, so it's the best way to hear it. For a nice take on soft rock, I can heartily recommend their first album as well - "Ticket to Ride" (although an earlier version was called "Offering" and had a different cover...if memory serves me correct!) And strangely enough, Magic Lamp was what I called my little indie band a few years back (and we covered that Carpenters song too, as well as the Shirelles' "baby it's you"!) Ah, memories. Happy new year everyone - and wish I could have made it to Martin's party... Elisa --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:17:53 -0500 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Magic Lamp, Fountains, Wondermints, Cruise (not Pablo) Peter writes: > ...can anyone tell me more about Magic Lamp - the only > other 45 I have on this label is a Johnny Burnette > production" Happy New Year, Peter. I have one 45 on the label: ML-705 Mickey Jones & The Triumphs: "I Can Live Without You"/"I Thought I Could" Prod. Joe Osborn; Arr. Larry Knechtel (!) It has a Beach Boys-ish feeling, sounds like c. 1964 or so. "A" side is very good, lots of creative transitions; partial falsetto lead vocal. I remember nothing about the "B" side. Label address is PO Box 3244, N. Hollywood, CA (no zipcode listed). Does anyone know anything about this artist? And what was the Johnny Burnette production on Magic Lamp? David Feldman: > "Fountains of Wayne: Utopia Parkway Superb album is virtually every aspect. By the way, Ivy, a group I recommended earlier for some neo-girl-group material, is one-third Adam Schellinger from Fountains of Wayne. Top track from their latest CD "Long Distance": "Edge of the Ocean." Repeating my earlier recommendation: excellent! Grab it if you haven't. (Not their paid promo man, just a fan.) Andrew Hickey: > "Wondermints - Wonderful World Of". Heard them of course behind Brian live. Any suggestions as to the best album of original material to start with? John Rausch: thanks for the Julee Cruise comments. Actually, my surprise is that she isn't mentioned here more, being that her sound is so Spectropoppish (for the uninitiated, think Paris Sisters accompanied by Duane Eddy). I know a lot of it came from David Lynch and Angelo Badalamente; I remember reading an interview with her once a long time ago that she was only using a miniscule portion of her range singing in her "soft" voice, and that she was more of a belter by nature. The album that does it for me: "Floating Into The Night." Most of her other work is, I believe, on David Lynch soundtracks. By the way, during the second year of "Twin Peaks," three of the younger characters (1 male, 02 female) sang a gorgeous doo-wop ballad, "Just You, Just Me," which could have been an Innocents track. I don't think it ever showed up on any soundtrack albums - or am I wrong? (I seem to remember hearing that Lynch wrote the song.) Justin Mcdevitt: Shirley Matthews' BIG TOWN BOY was a Bob Crewe Productions. I think it may have originally been on Amy. May 2002 be happy, healthy, and musical for all! Country Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:37:10 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: I'm So Good To You In a message dated 12/31/01, stealth_munchkin writes: > > (And what was that crappy song that Wilson Philips > > sang?) > > That was You're So Good To Me, an album filler from > the Summer Days... And Summer Nights! album. I quite > like it myself, but the BBs version is a lot better > than the version on the tribute... There's also an instrumental version of "You're So Good To Me" on one of those 6T's Beach Boys LP's --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:04:50 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Re: Magic Lamp, Fountains, Wondermints, Cruise (not Pablo) > > "Wondermints - Wonderful World Of". > > Heard them of course behind Brian live. Any > suggestions as to the best album of original > material to start with? They've only released 3 albums so far (though there are numerous cassettes of demos and things floating about). Wonderful World Of is almost all covers, but I actually think it's their best album (the cover of Knowing Me, Knowing You alone makes it worth getting - an incredible version that made me love a song I'd hated previously). Of the two albums of original material, I actually prefer their eponymous album, but most fans seem to prefer the later 'Bali'. 'Wondermints' is slightly more pop than Bali, which is more soft-rock and slightly lusher in sound. But there's very little to choose between them and they're all excellent albums... --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 05:25:10 -0000 From: "Tony Leong " Subject: Re: Shangs again --- In spectropop, "Ian Chapman" wrote: > Tony wrote: > > > Plus, Shadow Morton confirmed it for me last Spring > > that the lead SINGING voice on "What Is Love" IS Betty > > Weiss. > > If Betty's voice was that good (and on the evidence > of "What Is Love" I'll stick my neck out and suggest > it was even better than Mary's) then why didn't they > use her more often?? > > > I have a version of "I Can Never Go Home Anymore" where > > after the violins end at the bridge, Mary pleads > > "Lissssten--I'm not finisssshhhhed" (as breathlessly and > > emotionally as only SHE could), > > Yes, the only place I know where you can find that > version is on Taragon's "Very Best of Red Bird/Blue Cat > Records". Yes Ian, and Happy New Year, that was the Taragon CD with Mary's emotional plea!!! Too bad there was no Shangs studio chatter (oh, it would have to be bleeped out I'm sure--sorry, I always have to bring that up!!). Shadow is quoted in print as saying that BETTY was a better singer, but MARY had a more appealing sound. We all also know that Betty was not a constant member of the group during late 1964-mid 65. Have you ever heard the Shangri-Las version of "I'm Blue"?? MaryAnn and Margie both alternate lines throughout most of the song, and their voices were also very strong albeit rough and deep. Overall, EVERYTHING about the Shangri-Las was great-- their sound, their look, their style- -EVERYTHING!!!!!! Tony Leong --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:45:55 -0000 From: "Martin Roberts" Subject: Jamie's Desk! Loved Jamie's review of Gerry Goffin's "Entertainment" LP, seem to remember Gary Usher did a same thing in belittling his past, although of course there was that one Beach Party too many! Sandy Salisbury - I agree about Sandy, not heard Falling... David Gates, Fab selection although (for a boot?) maybe a trifle ordinary? Or is that maybe because it's 7 years old & lots of stuff has been re-released. How about Dotty & Kathy "Prince Of My Dreams" etc.? Paris Sisters, Quite nice mix of tracks "Everything Under The Sun" LP, Phil's stuff & couple of others for a boot (see comment No.2!) and the credits are all over the place, Dream Lover not Nitzsche, My Good Friend is Nitzsche, as is You, Too Good To be True & I'm Me. I Love How You Love Me, could be Mike Curb but nothing else from the LP has been used. Could it be the UK Chinn & Chapman release? Jack Nitzsche, Super. But Lonely Girl? B Side of Dream Lover. He's not credited, most of this period SOUND like Nitzsche. Is there something we should know?! Martin --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 07:20:41 -0000 From: "Keith Beach" Subject: Goldmine February issue In case I was unintentionally rude and didn't thank everyone for the info on Brussels record stores, I thank you now. The Canadian buddy that the info was for has just sent me this:- > Just saw an ad in Goldmine: the Feb.22/02 issue of > Goldmine has a cover feature on Phil Spector. Thanks to everyone on the Spectropop site for revitalising my interest in "the music that will not die" And special thanks to Martin and Sue for the 'Old Folks Party' (lovely singalong on the coach going home!) Keith Beach --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:48:42 +0200 From: Pekka Laine Subject: Wondermints Hey, Comment on the Wondermints and thier albums. If you don't have any get "Bali" first. Really nicely produced album by this great band Pekka Laine, Helsinki Finland --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 15 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 18:34:35 -0000 From: "Martin Roberts" Subject: Wash That Softness Right Out Of Your Hair!!! Hopefully I've now learned the black art of mp3ing (thank You Phil) and although I'm not sure this is the polite way to do it (what the heck!) there should be 3 fab songs of love and passion... 1/ Just to show that the Jerome Brothers were not just about classic doowop, glorious girl groups, wonderful boy groups & gorgeous Reperata & The Delrons This beautiful Souly (but don't let that put you off!) ballad by Aldora Britton Am I Ever Gonna See My Baby Again 2/ Margie Day's Tell Me In The Sunlight. Thumping but slightly under mixed Erect a Spector. (Come on Peter altogether now Everytime That You ...Walk In The Room!) 3/ Tiffany Michel Dixie. A record I've been wanting to share for ages. Our Peggy singing her heart out ably assisted by producer Bob Gaudio. Let the group know if you like them!!! Our else I might play the 24hr uncut version of Hotel Indiscreet! Martin --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 16 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:07:05 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Re: BIG TOWN BOY Justin Mcdevitt wrote: > As yet, I have not tried to locate this recording on the > Internet. Does anyone know if it is available to download > as an MP3 file... Hi Justin - Welcome to the group. I doubt music of this nature is going to hit Presslay or MusicNet or any of the commercial download mp3 sites in the near future. You really gotta wonder about the commercial feasibility of these corporate ventures. Naturally the big conglomerates seek high return on their internet start up companies, so chances are their available "stock" of files are going to read like a CHR chart. But the mega-artists are already in every CD store in the world. What about the out-of-print stuff? Hopefully specialist-oriented *licensed* download sites will become a reality so we can get Big Town Boy for one or two Euros if we want. Or, when someone reissues the Shangri-Las for the umpteenth time - but in a pristine underdubbed mix on two of the tracks, I'd like to buy just those. I have the Shangs on LP, some 45s, on the Red Bird box set (great liners!), and on a stand alone CD. I just can't justify buying the Shangri-Las recordings all over again for the fifth or so time though, especially when so many cool NEW comps are taxing my credit card limit already. Theoretically, the licensed download company could provide a wonderful service for collectors, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Pressplay and the others will inevitably serve as a promotional tool for CDs and ultimately be judged inferior to the unauthorized free services in several key areas. Pity is, it doesn't have to be that way. Making dowloadable pay-per files doesn't require initial pressing and distribution costs. No risk of dead stock either. Making reissue comps requires large initial investment - mostly in putting the licensing together. Which brings the subject back to Big Town Boy. Since you're jonzin' for Big Town Boy, you obviously appreciate the real deal. It's on Where the Girls Are Vol. 4, which is SO good I really recommend you get the disc. Over and above the grooves, the liners and photos are brilliant. In fact, the whole WTGA series is essential. Yes, they are UK imports but they can be had for about $16 each at CD Now etc. I think as fans of the music we owe it *to ourselves* to support the reissue business because we sure the heck can't count on corporate bean counters to give a damn unless the numbers justify it. Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 17 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 15:22:08 -0000 From: "Martin Roberts" Subject: Woah there Boy!! Hold on Justin if Mick reads this... Shirley Matthews & The Big Time Girls have 3 essential recordings on 'Where The Girls Are Vol.4'. This CD was only released last year (2001) if you haven't been able to find it on any on line record sellers...You're not trying hard enough!!!!! The CD is full of wonderful songs & artists, Heartbreakers, Goodnight Kisses, Carol Shaw, Cookies, etc., etc., etc. And one track I had on my want list for nearly 20 years, Angela Martin's Jerome Bros. produced Dip-Da-Dip (I Want To Be His Girl). Go on, use some of your Christmas money and treat yourself!!! Martin --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 18 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:25:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Mick Patrick Subject: BIG TOWN BOY Justin Mcdevitt writes: > In late 1963-early 1964, Shirley Matthews recorded a song > called BIG TOWN BOY. I understand that this track is > included on the WHERE THE GIRLS ARE (vol. 4) Ace Records > compilation which as far as I know has not been released > in the US. > As yet, I have not tried to locate this recording on the > Internet. Does anyone know if it is available to download > as an MP3 file, or does anyone have a copy of this song > that they could put on a cassette tape? Hello, Do yourself a favour and buy the friggin' CD. Ace Records are a British company but their CDs are readily available in the USA. Try Amazon or one of the dealers that advertise in Goldmine or Discoveries magazine. In fact, I frequently see Ace CDs listed by US mail order companies for sale at prices lower than they are sold for in the UK. You could buy the whole CD for the cost of just one of the twenty-odd great 45s it contains. Fair enough, if you can't find an obscure or rare record, get someone to record it for you. But for Pete's sake, how the hell are great reissue companies like Ace Records supposed to survive if even the people with a serious interest in the music they provide refuse to actually purchase their product. With any luck you'll find more than just one track you like on WHERE THE GIRLS ARE vol 4. I helped compile and annotate this CD. That means I chose the tracks and wrote the booklet for a very modest fee. I put my heart and soul into the work I do. I like to think I do it quite well. You'll have to ask someone else for an unbiased opinion whether this CD is worth buying or not. Sometimes I feel that maybe I should just retire and lock myself away with my 45s. MICK PATRICK --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 19 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:36:54 +0900 From: Spectropop Group Subject: Admin Note Continued interest in and contribution to the Spectropop Group is most appreciated. 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