________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ the result of the most modern techniques in the phonograph industry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 20 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 358: 1. re: THE JAYNETTS From: Mick Patrick 2. Diane Renay radio interview is Monday night January 21 From: Ronnie Allen 3. Re: Mojo Men From: "Cedric" 4. Re: Jeff Barry's Greatest Hits From: "Ken Levine" 5. Re: Fifth Avenue Band From: "Robert Conway" 6. The Mojo Woman From: "Javed Jafri" 7. RE:Mojo Men From: tymespan 8. Re: Wonderful Majors From: "Robert Conway" 9. Mickey's Monkey From: "Javed Jafri" 10. Re: Brian Wilson/Smile - Mojo Magazine From: Michael Marino 11. Re: Mickey's Monkey From: "Justin McDevitt" 12. radio jingles From: "Ken Levine" 13. Re: Snuggles From: Stewart Mason 14. The legendary Casey Kasem story .... it's in the book! From: Ronnie Allen 15. Casey and Buddy From: Alan Zweig 16. Got my Mojo - and other stuff - workin' From: "Paul Payton" 17. Re: Re-mixing From: "Frank" 18. Jaynetts track listing From: "Ian Slater" 19. Re: Kooper, Diamond From: "Robert Conway" 20. more theories on suckage From: Alan Zweig ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:19:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Mick Patrick Subject: re: THE JAYNETTS Hello, > -----Original Message from big.puff: > Does anyone in Spectropopland have a track listing > for the Jaynets album Sally Go Round The Roses on Tuff? > I know someone does.... Yep, Simon, I got that album for 6 quid from Soul Bowl many moons ago. Tracks are: Sally, Go 'Round The Roses Seesaw One Track Mind I Wanna Know No Love At All Bongo Bobby Keep An Eye On Her School Days Pick Up My Marbles Dear Abby Archie's Melody Sally, Go 'Round The Roses (instrumental) Check out John Clemente's lovely book GIRL GROUPS for a great chapter on this enigmatic group. http://www.spectropop.com/gg/girl.html MICK PATRICK --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:40:41 EST From: Ronnie Allen Subject: Diane Renay radio interview is Monday night January 21 This message is for all Diane Renay fans, past and present! Diane Renay was the wistful girl who back in 1964 was pining away because her steady boy said "ship ahoy" and joined the Nay-ay-vee!!! Then her boyfriend did come back, but only for 48 hours, and she pleaded with him for a kiss before it was "anchors away" once more!!! Of course my above descriptions refer to Diane's two hits: her top-ten single "Navy Blue" and her follow-up recording called "Kiss Me, Sailor." By the way did you know that when the Beatles hit our shores and were #1, #2 and #3 on the Billboard Hot 100 Diane was #6 with "Navy Blue" ..... the most popular girl singer of that week? And also did you know that "Navy Blue" spent 12 weeks at #1 in Japan? Guess that little mention of Tokyo in the second verse sure went a long way! On December 6th of last year, the same night I interviewed Janie Grant, I did a two-hour interview with Diane Renay. And of course she talked about the stories behind (and I played) those two hits. But the bulk of our interview was devoted to her brand new double-CD called "Diane Renay Sings Some Things Old And Some Things New." The CD contains 35 tracks which span close to 30 years of recordings. It is presently available only at Diane's personal official website. And, let me add, these are in my opinion really fabulous recordings which display a versatility that extends far beyond the vocal range displayed on the two recordings she's famous for. Diane told the stories behind (and I played) 12 selections from that double-CD. I am writing this message on Sunday evening so depending on when you read this e-mail the show I'm about to describe will take place either tomorrow or today! On Monday January 21, I will be presenting a two-hour Diane Renay radio interview show that will include a rebroadcast of portions of my original December 6th 2001 interview plus a second live-by-phone reapparance by Diane herself! These are the details: Show: Diane Renay interview show with Ronnie Allen Date: Monday, January 21st, 2002 Time: 10 PM to Midnight E.S.T. Originating station: WBCB (1490-AM Bucks County, PA) [When the page comes up click on whatever device you use: Windows Media Player, RealPlayer or Winamp. Most use Windows Media Player.] My suggestion is to try out the process in advance of the show to make sure it works for you. The station is on the internet all the time. During the day there's a mixture of both talk and oldies. >From 10 to 11 PM E.S.T. I will be rebroadcasting portions of my interview with Diane Renay, which originally aired on December 6th, 2001. From 11 PM to midnight I will have Diane Renay live-by-phone. We'll talk about and play selections that were not heard during the first hour. With the exception of Diane's two 1964 hits "Navy Blue" and "Kiss Me, Sailor" the entire show will be devoted to her new double-CD. Also Diane and I will be GIVING AWAY AS PRIZES copies of the double-CD. Winners will be picked from a box containing the names of all ELIGIBLE people who have indicated they want to be in the running. If you'd like to be ELIGIBLE to win Diane's CD please send me a private e-mail AS SOON AS POSSIBLE (preferably BEFORE the show) with the subject line "Make Me Eligible". Also please include your name and mailing address. I will privately acknowledge your e-mail and let you know that you are officially eligible to win Diane's CD. You can also make yourself eligible during the show by calling our toll-free number but for a number of reasons you may not be able to get through. So, if you'd like to be sure to have a chance to win the CD, please e-mail me now. During the first (pre-recorded) hour of the show please feel free to call me at our toll-free number 888-922-2149 (U.S. only). Looking ahead ..... I'm planning live-by-phones shows with Shelby Flint ("Angel On My Shoulder") and Dale and Grace ("I'm Leaving It Up To You"). Ronnie Allen E-Mail: --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:27:17 -0000 From: "Cedric" Subject: Re: Mojo Men --- In Spectropop, Hans wrote: > > Is it possible that there were > two groups under the name of Mojo Men? The "Should I cry > - group" sounds completely different from the "Freak-Beat > Mojo Men" who recorded "She's my baby". Hi Hans, The Mojo Men who recorded "She's My Baby" and "Should I Cry" are the same band. They began as a garage rock band and turned pop when Jan Errico (from the Vejtables) joined. The two Sundazed CDs cover both era : "Whys Ain't Supposed To Be" for the debut in the garage and "Sit Down...It's The Mojo Men" for the later pop/folk material. Some of the songs on the 2nd Cd are particulary nice featuring top producers such as Lenny Waronker, Van Dyke Parks, Nick De Caro and even Sylvester Stewart on the groovy "Do The Hanky Panky"!! Hope this helps. Cedric --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:31:09 -0800 From: "Ken Levine" Subject: Re: Jeff Barry's Greatest Hits How about the Raindrops "It's So Wonderful"? That would make my top 25. ----- Original Message From: Don Charles > > The Raindrops' second hit, "The Kind Of Boy You Can't > Forget" IS on my Top 25 list. If it wasn't, I simply > missed typing it! The list was hit singles-oriented, > which is why the wonderful "I'll Still Love You" wasn't > included . . . but you'd best believe that's definitely > one of my personal faves. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:56:31 -0600 From: "Robert Conway" Subject: Re: Fifth Avenue Band Scott wrote: > >There's also a second Fifth Avenue Band LP - it was >released in 1990 by the Japanese Pony Canyon LP. Can't >tell you anything else about it. The group and member Peter Gallway have reached a certain level of star recognition in Japan. The 1990 CD is the Japanese-only "reunion" CD. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:43:07 -0500 From: "Javed Jafri" Subject: The Mojo Woman > Is it possible that there were > two groups under the name of Mojo Men? The "Should I cry > - group" sounds completely different from the "Freak-Beat > Mojo Men" who recorded "She's my baby". > Does anyone have some information? There was only one group known as the Mojo Men but their career can be broken down into two distinct periods pre and post Jan Ashton. Jan was a female drummer who sang the lead on "Sit Down I think I love You". She had previously done some recordings with the Vejtables who had a local hit in San Francisco with "I Still Love You". Her real name I think was Jan Errico. Her solo single "Cold and Dreary Morning" from 1966 is also worth checking out as it anticipates the sound of Brit folk-rockers such as Fairport Convention. The early Mojo Men sound was more in the garage rock vein but once Jan joined the group they sounded more like the Mamas and Papas. The group was signed to Autumn records a label formed by San Francisco DJ Tom Donahue later one of the pioneers of the free-form FM format on KSAN). Sly Stone was a producer and writer at the label and he penned the Mojo's "She's My Baby". Javed --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:08:25 EST From: tymespan Subject: RE:Mojo Men > I'm sorry I don't have more info on the "Mojo Men - > Should I cry" track. But is it possible that there were > two groups under the name of Mojo Men? The "Should I cry > - group" sounds completely different from the "Freak-Beat > Mojo Men" who recorded "She's my baby". There were two different Mojo Men lineups. They started out as a garage band but by 1966 added Jan Errico of the Vejtables as vocalist and went towards a more folk rock sound. The different versions of the band can be heard on two Sundazed CDs "Whys Ain't Supposed To Be" (their early Autumn Records cuts) and "Sit Down..It's The Mojo Men" (their Reprise cuts including the single Sit Down i Think I Love You.) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:06:54 -0600 From: "Robert Conway" Subject: Re: Wonderful Majors >From: "Kingsley Abbott" > >Anyone into The Boys Next Door?? Kingsley--Re. the Boys Next Door: Glorified Beach Boys' wannabes/sometimes soundalikes. They had a lot of regional Midwest (the home state escapes me now) releases under more than one name. The awesome Sundazed label has released a CD with just about all of the group's recording output. I saw them at a local high school dance in 1968 and they were certainly out of step with what was happening musically at the time. They looked like the Beach Boys as much as their physical attributes allowed. They even wore their Pendletons! Musically they were OK, maybe even good as I faintly recall...I was more interested in searching for good-looking high school girls than really watching and listening to the Boys Next Door. For what it is worth, I own the group's CD. The Cryan Shames, Buckinghams, NC6, Shadows of Night, Saturday's Children, Ides of March and the American Breed (and there were others) were all popular in my locale at approximately that time. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:58:33 -0500 From: "Javed Jafri" Subject: Mickey's Monkey > > Mickey's Monkey - Miracles > This song is usually left out of everyone's Smokey > Robinson list, but I remember it as a big hit in > L.A.--always thought it a great track. Does anyone know if it's true that Mickey's Monkey was some sort of tribute to Toronto DJ David Mickey ( Marsden) or did he just adapt it as such ? Javed --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:47:52 -0000 From: Michael Marino Subject: Re: Brian Wilson/Smile - Mojo Magazine --- In spectropop, "Tom Knott" wrote: > The Feb issue of Mojo Magazine has a fairly in-depth > article by Rob Chapman on the "Smile" album. > > tom Does it say when "Smile" will be released? ;-) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:51:19 -0600 From: "Justin McDevitt" Subject: Re: Mickey's Monkey ----- Original Message From: Javed Jafri > Does anyone know if it's true that Mickey's Monkey was > some sort of tribute to Toronto DJ David Mickey > (Marsden) or did he just adapt it as such ? Hey Javed, This wouldn't surprise me. I heard a radio clip of Marsen's work on ReelRadio some months ago and his DJ patter or chatter was just about as fast and frenetic as a monkey's chatter. Justin --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:05:16 -0800 From: "Ken Levine" Subject: radio jingles Since radio has come up frequently in this discussion group, any interest among members in some of the great radio station jingles over the years? Some fabulous harmonies and great four second "songs". The Johnny Mann singers, Anita Kerr Singers and groups from Dallas and New York produced some memorable anonymous work. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:24:05 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Snuggles Jimmy Bee asks: >Have you ever heard that recording circulating by Casey >Kasem about the little girl who's dog just died? Casey's >trying to read it straight-faced over one of his up >tempo numbers. He stumbles over one particularly >"touching" sequence and COMPLETELY loses it!. He cusses >out the girl, the f____' dog, the song, his job, >everything he has to be grateful for!. It is >hysterical...It was set to music by British Breakbeater >Jacknife Lee a couple of years back. The juxtaposition >of this "Top-40" hustler and his swearing is poetic >justice at its finest!.... Ah, yes, the infamous "Snuggles" tape. I first heard it about a decade ago when the tape-noise media manipulators Negativland fed it into a 12" single called "U2," along with another Kasem tape that's ol' Shaggy going off on Bono and the boys. The uproar and brouhaha over this single is absolutely legendary to anyone with a passing interest in copyright law. Both of these tapes are also available in their original form on various bootlegs, alongside such similar items of fringe interest as Orson Welles blowing his lines and arguing with the director of a commercial for frozen peas. (Voice artist Maurice LaMarche, who does a wicked Welles, has slipped lines from this tape into several of his Welles impresonations for various cartoons; there's a Pinky and the Brain cartoon from the mid-90s series ANIMANIACS that's basically a thinly-veiled recreation of the entire tape.) Well worth searching for if you're a fan of the obscure and arcane, which I would guess many Spectropoppers are. Stewart --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 14 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:45:31 EST From: Ronnie Allen Subject: The legendary Casey Kasem story .... it's in the book! This message is to James Botticelli and all others who are interested. The Casey Kasem "dead dog" story is both legendary and very true. Basically what happened was Casey was taping an American Top Forty broadcast and had just come out of an uptempo record by the Pointer Sisters. He then had to read a Long Distance Dedication which involved a girl had whose dog had just died. The dog's name was Snuggles. Casey started to read the LDD and then something just "hit" him and basically he completely lost it. Of course the tape was not supposed to make it out of the studio. But somehow it just walked away and ..... well, as Paul Harvey would say, you know the rest of the story! Rob Durkee has written a book all about Casey legendary radio show called American Top Forty: The Countdown Of The Century. He has an entire chapter devoted to the Casey Kasem "dead dog" story including exactly what Casey said. (You will have to fill in some of the blanks, though, but I think you can!). Since I was with American Top Forty as the East Coast writer/researcher/interviewer for 15 years I am personally mentioned quite prominently in the book. I in fact helped Rob out with the research. Rob worked for the show during the Shadoe Stevens years. If you've ever been a fan of American Top Forty you'll be interested to know that Rob has created a website especially devoted to the show, both past and present. I do not have the URL handy (he just moved it to a new address) but when I find it out I'll post it to this group. One final comment about Casey. I had the pleasure to work for the man for 15 years and still keep in touch with him today. The "dead dog" story notwithstanding, he is really one of the nicest people in the business. And basically, when asked about that story, Casey these days is very philosophical. He describes what happened in three words: "I got mad." But he also told Rob that he had no objection to Rob including it in the book. Well, when you think of it, "I got mad" can apply to all of us at some time in our life. Ronnie Allen --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 15 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:58:34 -0500 From: Alan Zweig Subject: Casey and Buddy James Botticelli wrote: >Have you ever heard that recording circulating by Casey >Kasem about the little girl who's dog just died? Casey's >trying to read it straight-faced over one of his up >tempo numbers. He stumbles over one particularly >"touching" sequence and COMPLETELY loses it!. That "blooper" was also sampled by Negativeland, along with Casey going off on U2. Not that I ever thought Casey was all sweetness and light, but it's still surprising to hear him say "Who gives a f***?" And speaking of sweetness and light, there's an article in the Mojo issue with George Harrison on the cover that talks about some recordings of Buddy Rich cursing out band members. I liked the part of the article where towards the end of his life, Buddy told his manager that he was thinking of phoning everyone he'd been rude to in his life and his manager said "I hope you're not using a pay phone". Anyway I know this is way off topic but apparently some of these Buddy speeches were circulated by Spectropop hero Al Kooper (you guys are a bit hard on him by the way. What about "Like a Rolling Stone" or Blood Sweat and Tears?) And something called The Buddy Tapes were even "released" on CD by an LA filmmaker by the name of Nick Bougas. Some of you groovy scenesters must have this. Usually I'm not much into these bloopers and out-takes but for some reason, with Buddy I'd like to make an exception. Anyone? AZ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 16 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:10:14 -0500 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Got my Mojo - and other stuff - workin' Re: Al Kooper: Sorry, I shouldn't have shortchanged the Blues Project. "Fly Away" is gorgeous, and "Flute Thing" is kinda cool too. Re: "Concrete & Clay" is song by Eddie Rambeau on Dynovoice, a Bob Crewe Production. (Although "Concrete and Clay" would make a good group name - heavy, stoned, but down to earth?!?) Speaking of Bob Crewe, anyone remember a song he produced for his brother, Tom, "C'mon Dream, C'mon" on Amy (I think)? Sounded a lot like Del Shannon. Re: "When songwriting starts to suck," two more cents worth - I've heard it said that an artist has a lifetime to put together their first album, and three months to do their second. Maybe a slight exaggeration (okay, six months for the second), but fundamentally true, especially for one-hit wonders. But hey, some artists have three great minutes in them which deserve to be heard, while others have more. The demise of the single (45, CD, whatever) is sad. (It also prices a lot of folks out of the game, but that's a whole other thread....) Re: re-mixing - sometimes records don't sound as good for real now as we remember them from then. Going back to the master tapes, however, sometimes the fidelity is there, and the track can be brought out faithful to the original sound but "opened up" for modern ears and higher-fidelity systems. To my taste, sometimes it works, but usually, as Jan & Dean said, "The original's still the greatest." Vincent: thanks for the Burt Bacharach article, In it, there's a mention of the movie, "Grace of My Heart," a Brill Building story. I vaguely remember it coming out - and quickly going back in. Has anyone seen it? Is it any good? Hans Ket writes: > is it possible that there were two groups under the > name of Mojo Men? The "Should I cry" group sounds > completely different from the "Freak-Beat Mojo Men" > who recorded "She's my baby. One and the same group, Hans, but with some changes from a funky early incarnation with Sly Stone to a sunshine-pop later one with a female Mojo Man, Jan Errico, on vocals. Info at: Fuzz Acid & Flowers; scroll down to Mojo Men listing. (And thank you AGAIN, Stephane, for bringing this astounding resource to my attention.) Country Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 17 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:40:10 +0100 From: "Frank" Subject: Re: Re-mixing "Vincent Degiorgio" wrote: > ...some of these 50's and 60's mixes, especially in > Moulton's case, is a labour of love...it sometimes > allows a vocal to be raised in the over all mix...also > allows certain instruments to to be equalized and > panned in such a way to open up the sound of the > original recording and in stereo... I think you could also add that the digital era and the use of analogic tape to be released on CDs causes a modification of the importance of different frequecies. There's no doubt that digital mastering enhance high frequencies. You can correct this problem in two ways, one is simply to bluntly cut some high frequencies, or even boost the low ones. But the better way and sensible one is to remix the tape in order to obtain a much more refined correction. Frank --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 18 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:38:52 -0000 From: "Ian Slater" Subject: Jaynetts track listing Simon White wrote: > > Does anyone in Spectropopland have a track listing > for the Jaynets album Sally Go Round The Roses on Tuff ? The tracks on the Jaynetts album Sally Go Round The Roses are: Archie's Melody Bongo Bobby Dear Abby (by the Hearts) I Wanna Know Keep An Eye On Her No Love At All One Track Mind Pick Up My Marbles Sally Go Round the Roses Sally Go 'Round the Roses (instr backing) School Days Seesaw Nice LP in my view. Gentle lilting melodic tunes for the most part, not very R&B, or "Sally" type wierdness except perhaps for the familiar "Dear Abby". My favourite is "One Track Mind". Rare of course but it ia on eBay at present but within a day of closing as I write and at $125! On the subject of the Jaynetts, has anybody got, or even SEEN these 45s: Is It My Imagination, Looking for Wonderland, I Wanted to be Free, Vangie Don't You Cry (all J&S), Tonight You Belong To Me (Tuff). I've had all the other records issued under their name (I hesitate to say "by the group" given the fact this was really a company name) for years and never had a sniff of these. Do they exist I wonder or are they just items of girl group mythology like the Girlfriends' I Don't Believe In You / Baby Don't Cry (Colpix 744)? Ian Slater --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 19 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:48:22 -0600 From: "Robert Conway" Subject: Re: Kooper, Diamond I am not a fan of the obviously very talented AK in terms of his recorded musical output; however, I did quite like the first Blood Sweat and Tears LP, "Child is Father..." I recall upon its release how the majority of rock critics gushed while some even gave it the masterpiece status. Interesting also that when the second BS&T--with David Clayton Thomas on vocals--was released, it was quickly followed by Cooper's "I Stand Alone." The statement was obvious, with Cooper on the LP cover as the Statue of Liberty. BS&T with Thomas on vocals, love him or hate him, went on to become a monster, while Kooper continued on his odyssey. A side note: Both LPs were released on Columbia and were promoted in tandem in Eye magazine. The ad was as I recall--it has been a long time--an insert that offered two paper/plastic records that featured a song or snippets of songs from both artists. Obviously the ad wasn't necessary for the revamped BS&T and it certainly did nothing to help the sales of Cooper's LP. Bob Conway --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 20 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:42:25 -0500 From: Alan Zweig Subject: more theories on suckage Dan Hughes wrote: > >1. The songwriter didn't start to suck. It's just that >the listener couldn't keep up. As the songs get more >intricate, so to speak, the listener can't assimilate >that intricacy. As you say, that's a very generous theory, at least as far as some of these songwriters go. But I think there may be some truth there. Sometimes when I see Paul Simon on TV or hear something >from one of his new records, I find myself fantasizing about a conversation I might have with him where I would tell him how much I still love the first couple of Simon and Garfunkel records and he tells me "Hey man, I was just a kid. I didn't know what I was doing. I can't even think about those old songs. You should check out the new stuff I'm doing". At which point I tell him "Yeah well I have. And it bores me silly". I would never argue with Paul if he told me that, in terms of songwriting craft, his new material is head and shoulders above his early S&G material. All I would say is "I guess craft sometimes gets in the way of writing a great song". AZ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End