________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ A Long Playing Dynagroove Recording ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 24 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 399: 1. Q&A and some URL's From: "Paul Payton" 2. Merseybeats USA From: Stewart Mason 3. Given Away Songs / Sending to Musica From: Jon Cook 4. Re: Genuine Imitation Sealed Copy From: Ron Buono 5. THE ALLEY CATS From: Mick Patrick 6. Re: Carter/Lewis vs. Ivy League Vs. Flowerpot Men From: Mark Frumento 7. Magic Lantern / Magic Lanterns From: Thomas Taber 8. Chris Isaak/"Run Baby Run" question From: Deena Canale 9. Re:Red Coats From: Roland 10. Tokens, Carter/Lewis & Doggy Zoe From: "Kingsley Abbott" 11. RE: Les Girls From: Michael Rashkow 12. Carole King Kuestions From: Mark Frumento 13. Dale And Grace live-by-phone interview show Thursday night From: Ronnie Allen 14. Re: Carter/Lewis vs. Ivy League Vs. Flowerpot Men From: "Norman" 15. Re: "Run Baby Run" question From: "Nick Archer" 16. Bob Crewe Presents Dyno Voice CD From: Michael Edwards 17. new Lesley Gore From: John Rausch 18. Re: Carter/Lewis vs. Ivy League Vs. Flowerpot Men From: "Javed Jafri" 19. Deena's question From: Bob Rashkow 20. Re: Merseybeats USA/Carter Lewis/Tokens From: Mark Frumento 21. Paul Revere From: Bill Reed 22. Re: "Run Baby Run" / Larry Henley From: "Norman" 23. Re: Dora Hall From: "Peter Lerner" 24. The Tokens From: "David Ponak" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:02:12 -0500 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Q&A and some URL's David Young: "D. Ervin" is most likely Big Dee Irwin, so there is a definite Brill connection. Someone once said that Bill Buchanan - as in Buchanan and Goodman - was also a songwriter, so maybe it's that Buchanan, but that's just a guess. >From the Laurie list: > The Dum Dum Song/Love Unreturned - The Red Coats, > Laurie LR 3319: 1965 (A-33/B-42) Is this the same Red Coats group who did "I'm Only As Good" on Valiant? Wanna real flash? This link from Joe Foster's Salt Water Taffy site leads to a WMCA survey - check some of the stuff on there! http://musicradio.computer.net/wmca/surveys/1968/surveymay868.html (There's a major tie to MusicRadio77, the WABC site, but I don't have the hours I know it would take to check it out....) http://www.musicradio77.com/wmca Dan Hughes: yes, Senate was a short-lived ABC subsid. Richard: strong seconds on the Family Dogg/Albert Hammond bio. Way to go! Late to the party on this, but thanks, Kingsley Abbott, for the Tokens CD info. Ed Engel (Crystal Ball) gets a bit of heat from people sometimes, but a look at the Crystal Ball catalog proves he "gets the job done." Will check into those! (I couldn't find a Crystal Ball website - anyone have a URL for them?) Also, there should be a(nother) Tokens biography coming in March, this one at http://www.destinationdoowop.com/groups.htm. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:25:51 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Merseybeats USA Mark Frumento asks: > While we're at it is there anyone out there who knows > of a band called "Merseybeats USA"? I think Steve > Ferguson of the original NRBQ was in that band. Another > group I have on tape but no other information. They were from Louisville KY, and not only was Steve Ferguson in the band, so was the 'Q's Terry Adams. When the Merseybeats USA broke up in 1967, Ferguson and Adams >from from Kentucky to Miami, where they met another band called the Story of Us that was in the process of breaking up: Joey Spampinato, Frankie Gadler and Tom Staley from the Story of Us joined Ferguson and Adams and formed NRBQ. Also, Don Charles wrote: > Dusty Springfield in a serious relationship with a guy? > Very doubtful. Nothing's impossible, though. Not that it's any of our business, but by all accounts, Dusty considered herself bisexual, not a lesbian, and she did have serious relationships wih guys. Stewart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:46:27 EST From: Jon Cook Subject: Given Away Songs / Sending to Musica Thanks for all the info/comments on the Bee Gees. I have to confess to a general fascination with those songs that were given to other artists by such personal favorites as the Beatles, Brian Wilson, Ray Davies, etc. Although not always their best material, you do get to hear the artist stretch outside their usual domains. Wilson's 'Guess I'm Dumb' is a perfect example as it seemed to be a dry run for Pet Sounds. Lennon/McCartney gave Cilla Black and Peter/Gordon some pretty good singles, especially It's For You, Step Inside Love and Woman - I think Spectropoppers would especially like the Silkie's cover of You've Got To Hide Your Love Away, which John/Paul produced. It has that baroque-folk feel to it. jon cook -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:22:00 EST From: Ron Buono Subject: Re: Genuine Imitation Sealed Copy In a message dated 2/27/02, Spectropop writes: > In full agreement! Genuine Imitation Life Gazette is > actually quite a record. Sure, it's kind of goofy in a > "we are soo hip and psychedelic now" kind of way, but the > songs are good and the production is aces. Hello. I actually have a SEALED copy of this LP. Anybody interested? Please contact me off-list. Ron -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:13:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Mick Patrick Subject: THE ALLEY CATS Hi, Kingsley's recent musings on the Pipkin/Coefield gang led to me sticking my hooter back in Steve Propes' wonderful book L.A. R&B VOCAL GROUPS. Blimey, the ALLEY CATS / SABERS / CHAVELLES / VALIANTS / HAPPY TONES / BRENTWOODS / SPLENDORS / CHARADES / UNIQUES / ELECTRAS / UNTOUCHABLES / MISFITS (etc, etc, etc) saga is one of the most convoluted in all of doo wop. It makes my brain hurt just thinking about it. There's little choice but to read the book to get the full story. Or go to http://www.lavocalgroups.com However, I did pluck from the pages the following taster: PUDDIN 'N' TAIN was written by GARY PIPKIN, BRICE COEFIELD & ALONZO "LONNIE" WILLIS, the brother of CAROLYN WILLIS of Girlfriends / Honey Cone fame. By the time THE ALLEY CATS had taped the number with Phil Spector, Willis had left the group to form THE SPLENDORS who also recorded a version of the same song. The two versions were cut on the same day but at different studios. Now, normally I spit on bootlegs. But, hey, when there is no legal equivalent and the original 45s are as rare as hens' teeth, I've been known to purchase the odd dozen. I have at my side THE VALIANTS "THIS IS THE NITE" CD, a 1994 release purporting to emanate from the Spanish Stompin'Tide / Rockin' Rhythm label. For a boot, the notes and sound quality are very good. The 28 tracks include offerings by Billy Fortune & the Squires, the Valiants, the Charades and Billy Storm. If you like, Kingsley, I could burn you one (whatever that means). Storm and several of the groups of which he and his colleagues were members also have numerous tracks available on legal CDs.I could give more specific information if really required. But, frankly, I'd rather have a coffee and a Curly Wurly. Somewhere, I also have a very splendid article (with discography, gulp!) about the Valiants (etc) written by Marv Goldberg for Discoveries magazine several years ago. Please God no one ask me to find it. MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:48:26 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Carter/Lewis vs. Ivy League Vs. Flowerpot Men --- In Spectropop, "Paul Payton" wrote: > Mark Frumento: I have the Majority's "Pretty Little Girl" > on London, 45 LON 9779, mid 60's; very innovative and > nice. Also veddy English (not a putdown, just a > description). I notice the writers are "Carter; Lewis." > Do I recognize these names from the Ivy League's "Funny > How Love Can Be," or just from two docs on "ER?" Maybe they were doctors but... Someone with a more encyclopedic mind than mine can probably recite chapter and verse on Carter/Lewis. They wrote songs for everyone (well, that's not really true but close). Certainly Herman's Hermits among the many recipients of Carter/Lewis songs. A few years ago there was a wonderful release of John Carter demos called "As You Like It". Somehow the demos of some songs come off even better than the released versions. Also there were previously unknown songs on the CD that are top shelf. "Pretty Little Girl" in the Carter version is quite good. I'd love to hear the Majority doing it. The only problem (a minor one) with Carter/Lewis, Ivy League etc is that they sometimes border on imitation. Carter definitely had a preoccupation with Brian Wilson, especially the Pet Sounds period and has recorded unabashed copies of songs like "Caroline No". By the time they changed their name to The Flowerpot Men they were headlong into full time job of being the British Beach Boys. As the Flowerpot Men they released some great songs but probably my favorite is "Mythological Sunday"... a quite original psychedelic tune. Somewhere in there, I think as the Ivy League, they wrote and recorded the song most Spectropoppers are familiar with "My World Fell Down". "As You Like It" is out of print (I think) but probably attainable. Well worth the pursuit if you are into good, tuneful song writing. The Flowerpot Men are available in several good reissues and "Best-of's". The best Best Of being the Repertoire release. Two of their albums (did they have more than two?) have been reissued on one CD. That'll teach you for asking a little question like that! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:09:37 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Taber Subject: Magic Lantern / Magic Lanterns Norman, they were two distinctly different groups - can't recall which came first; probably the plural, and the other was to cash in on an already established name, back in the days when everybody didn't sue everybody. And, Lloyd, I knew that "Aunt Norma" stuff rang a bell! Tom T. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:59:52 -0400 From: Deena Canale Subject: Chris Isaak/"Run Baby Run" question >For anyone interested in current music with the "classic" >sound, I can recommend Chris Isaak's latest CD, Always >Got Tonight. I second this and add that anyone with access to "premium" cable, or plain ol' Muchmoremusic if you're in Canada, should watch "The Chris Isaak Show"--perhaps the finest rock & roll sitcom ever! It's very well-written and filmed, and the characters are great--including some of Chris's real-life band members playing themselves. He's a doll-face, wears Nudie suits and moderate pompadours with panache, is a natural comedic actor, and possesses the closest thing to Roy Orbison's vocal cords we have in this day and age. I've got a question that probably has a really obvious answer, except I've never been able to find said answer. Every time I've heard "Run Baby Run" on the radio (which hasn't been that often, but even these few listens rank it as one of my fave '60s pop extravaganza records) I've never managed to hear the name of who did it. You know the record I'm talking about: "Run, baby ruuuun...back into my ah-ah-ah-ah-arms..." Please help. Signed D.C. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:49:16 EST From: Roland Subject: Re:Red Coats The Redcoats LP can be found at: http://www.dionysusrecords.com/mailorder/bacchus.html There's also an extensive 8 part story on them at: http://www.lancerecords.com/ Justr go to the Lance Monthly link. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:49:06 -0000 From: "Kingsley Abbott" Subject: Tokens, Carter/Lewis & Doggy Zoe In response to a couple of points: The Tokens "Tonight I Fell In Love With the Tokens" CD is mostly, tho not exclusively early stuff - ie first half of sixties - exception is the Beach Boys tribute from 1976. "Golden Moments From Our Past" takes a broader sweep, but of rare /unreleased tracks, best known being "Brandy Wine" & "Both Sides Now". I agree with the list of overlooked tracks, especially the excellent "I Could See Me Dancing With You" (covered I think by The Boys Next Door), and "You're My Girl" (also great version by The Rising Sons that came out in Britain on Stateside) . I'd add "Breezy" in there. It seems that their catalogue is so vast, that we have yet to have the perfect CD retrospective...But I feel I'm gradually collecting some good stuff especially with these two new Crystal Ball ones. Coincidental to see the Carter/Lewis mention as, not ten minutes before reading it, I had been discussing putting together a 2CD set on the Carter/Lewis Songbook for Sanctuary Records (Sequel) in the songwriter series that has just put out the "Guess I'm Dumb" - songs of the beach boys collection about a month ago. There will also be a Tony Hatch collection coming soon, which will include some nice soft rock sides. We also discussed a Ripples Vol 8 for a bit later on, as we have found some more good contendors for inclusion!! Zoe (Zooey) from Family Dogg used to wait tables at London's Speakeasy circa '67/8 - very groovy she looked too!! Kingsley Abbott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:40:07 EST From: Michael Rashkow Subject: RE: Les Girls Simon White writes: > I Still Love You/Stop, Look And Listen - Les Girls, > Laurie LR 3368: 1966 (A-97, B-Not Used) - Great 1966 > girlgroup stuff! And I'm sure Rashkovsky would agree. Simon, you've got great taste! Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 03:02:19 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Carole King Kuestions While I'm at the old tape library here I dug up a tape I have of three pretty cool Carole King demos. These are probably old hat to others but I was, at the time I got them, thrilled to get them! The tape consists of 1) Porpois Song 2) Beautiful Movies and 3) The Image Collector. The questions is this: did either of the last two get officially recorded and/or released? Both are good but "The Image Collector" is very very good. It has the overall sound of CK heading more into the singer/song writer period but still has the great hooks and all. Could've been a Monkees hit with Mickey Dolenz singing. I do think! Have Carole King demos of her 60s material currculated fairly widely? Ok, next question did Tom Northcott's version of "Spaceship Races" ever get released on CD? I really like his version. In fact I remember the album it came from being pretty good as well. I think he did a versions of the Move's "Blackberry Way"? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:07:39 EST From: Ronnie Allen Subject: Dale And Grace live-by-phone interview show Thursday night I'll be hosting a two-hour live-by-phone interview show with Dale and Grace, who sang the memorable 1963 #1 hit "I'm Leaving It Up To You" and the top-ten follow-up "Stop And Think It Over." In addition to those two hits they also made many other fine recordings which you'll also hear on the show. And they'll sharing many interesting stories related to specific songs and/or their career in general. Some of those stories are quite incredible. The show will be heard on M-PAK Radio on Thursday night, February 28th, from 10 PM to Midnight E.S.T. Hope you can join us! Ronnie Allen -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:22:20 +1030 From: "Norman" Subject: Re: Carter/Lewis vs. Ivy League Vs. Flowerpot Men Being a fan of John Carter (Shakespeare) I found Mark Frumento and Kingsley Abbott's discussions interesting. Especially, the view that there may be another John Carter CD on the market. I don't unfortunately have an encyclopaedic mind on the subject but here goes. Although it seems that John Carter reached his Beach Boys pinnacle with First Class's Beach Baby, he certainly had been giving it a belt since the days of Ivy League ( how Carter-Lewis and the Southerners featuring a young Jimmy Page, sounded I don't know). Let's Go To San Francisco (Parts 1 & 2 ) Deram DM 142 1967 was unabashedly Beach Boys. Cop the opening bars! (also check out the ending of Beach Baby for a connection to this song). It turns up on the C5 Records Compilation The Flower Pot Men Let's Go To San Francisco CS-CD-526 together with a 1988 addition Let's Go Back to San Francisco. (Mythological Sunday is also on this cd). I think to fill this compilation some tracks were lifted >from later sessions in 1968 and 1969 (The 1969 tracks are featured on the White Plains' Self titled LP). As the White Plains they do a fantastic version of Oliver Swofford's "Young Birds Fly" Some songs, which were written or co-written by John Carter, that made it into the charts Down Under include; Funny How Love Can Be Tossing and Turning Ivy League Dreams Are Ten A Penny Kincade Beach Baby First Class Semi-Detached Surburban Mr James Manfred Mann Let's Go To San Francisco Parts 1&2 The Flowerpot Men Can't You Hear My Heart Beat Sleepy Joe My Sentimental Friend Herman's Hermits Peek-A-Boo New Vaudeville Band (if not Geoff Stephens' vocals on this one was it John Carters?) Hip Hip Hooray The Troggs Knock Knock Who's There Liv Maessen Mary Hopkin I have a copy of Love Equals Love by the Ohio Express BUD-O36 (in Australia) but I don't recall it being given any air play. If you want to see one person's dedication to a group of artists Hiroshi Asada's site is really worth tapping into. http://www.ne.jp/asahi/salaryman/asada/catlews He is also very much into Tony Burrows,/Kestrels etc. Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 15 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:59:25 -0600 From: "Nick Archer" Subject: Re: "Run Baby Run" question > I've got a question that probably has a really obvious > answer, except I've never been able to find said answer. > Every time I've heard "Run Baby Run" on the radio (which > hasn't been that often, but even these few listens rank > it as one of my fave '60s pop extravaganza records) I've > never managed to hear the name of who did it. You know > the record I'm talking about: "Run, baby ruuuun...back > into my ah-ah-ah-ah-arms..." Please help. Run Baby Run was done by the Newbeats, on Hickory Records here in Nashville. Larry Henley, who sang the falsetto, later wrote "Wind Beneath My Wings." I heard him sing "Bread and Butter" recently, and he can still hit the high notes. A best of the Newbeats is available on Collectables I think. Nick Archer -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 16 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 03:07:44 -0000 From: Michael Edwards Subject: Bob Crewe Presents Dyno Voice CD I tried to buy a copy of this double CD, A UK import on the Westside label (with tracks by the Toys, Eddie Rambeau, Mitch Ryder etc), from Disc Collector this afternoon. They told me it didn't come out. Does anyone know if it did? Could you please supply the catalog number? Thanks. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 17 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:49:43 +0900 From: John Rausch Subject: new Lesley Gore Hi Gang, Found a most interesting site featuring a new cd featuring Lesley Gore doing an AC/DC cover of Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. Great sound clip. http://www.pigsflycd.com/track12.html -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 18 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:46:09 -0500 From: "Javed Jafri" Subject: Re: Carter/Lewis vs. Ivy League Vs. Flowerpot Men > The only problem (a minor one) with Carter/Lewis, Ivy > League etc is that they sometimes border on imitation. > Carter definitely had a preoccupation with Brian Wilson, > especially the Pet Sounds period and has recorded > unabashed copies of songs like "Caroline No". By the time > they changed their name to The Flowerpot Men they were > headlong into full time job of being the British Beach > Boys. Let's not forget about First Class and "Beach Baby" which was probably the crowning achievement of the Carter and Lewis infatuation with the Beach Boys (at least chart wise in America). Timing played a big part in the sound of that song. The Flowerpot Men in 1967 were emulating Heroes and Villains while post Endless Summer Tony Burrows was harking back to the surf and sand. Javed -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 19 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:39:41 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Deena's question I know everybody's gonna pounce on this one--The Newbeats had a '65 hit with "Run Baby Run" & the reason I jumped in with it is (isn't it STRANGE!!) that this M - copy on Hickory was one of the other 2 records that didn't survive my Plaster Disaster that also destroyed my wonderful Love-Ins record on LAURIE! ! ! The Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 20 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:27:33 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Merseybeats USA/Carter Lewis/Tokens --- In Spectropop, Stewart Mason wrote: > They were from Louisville KY, and not only was Steve > Ferguson in the band, so was the 'Q's Terry Adams. *****Thanks Stewart. Somehow these guys escaped the reference books I have. I have 5 songs on tape. Did they release 45s? The material I have is quite good folkish/beat/pop. I believe the tape I have is from one of the Q, probably Tommy A. There are a few other groups on the tape: The Sacred Frowns, The Breathers & Hoopy Ferguson and the Wild Dogs. --- In Spectropop, "Kingsley Abbott" wrote: > Coincidental to see the Carter/Lewis mention as, not ten > minutes before reading it, I had been discussing putting > together a 2CD set on the Carter/Lewis Songbook for > Sanctuary Records (Sequel) in the songwriter series that > has just put out the "Guess I'm Dumb" - songs of the > beach boys collection about a monthago. There will also > be a Tony Hatch collection coming soon, which willinclude > some nice soft rock sides. We also discussed a Ripples > Vol 8 for a bit later on, as we have found some more good > contendors for inclusion!! *****This is all great news! Did the second volume of John Carter demos ever come out? I've been looking for it. The Hatch would be great. I do see a few Hatch songs on Ripples too! Also a couple of tracks on the wonderful Montanas compilation. **** About later Tokens... The Scenes track I mentioned a few posts back... Scenes (From Another World) BT Puppy BTP533, written by the Tokens. Now playing at musica. Is this really them? Maybe someone can shed some light on it. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 21 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:22:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Reed Subject: Paul Revere Paul Revere came up here recently and it got me to wondering: I have a copy of the PR Sande 1001 LP. Is there some way to tell the difference between the 60s original and the 80s reissue? Bill Reed -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 22 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:05:51 +1030 From: "Norman" Subject: Re: "Run Baby Run" / Larry Henley I recently heard Run Baby Run on our local community fm station (the only way to hear the "real" hits that were) and just love it. Re: Larry Henley In 1982 Colleen Hewett recorded " The Wind Beneath My Wings" on Avenue Records (BA 223025). It became an enormous hit in Australia, if not reaching #1 getting quite close to it in early 1983. I have a question about this. Where would Colleen have sourced this song? The Bette Midler version surfaced in 1988 six years after her version. Thanks, Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 23 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:54:04 -0000 From: "Peter Lerner" Subject: Re: Dora Hall Will wrote: > I'm surprised Peter Lerner hasn't jumped in on this one. > Dora Hall recorded on Jackie DeShannon composition, > Franklin Street. I only have a cassette copy, but perhaps > Peter can supply more info? Yes, I have three of Dora's 45s, each on a different label - Calamo, Premore and Reinbeau. Dora's version of Franklin Street on Calamo 1005 is the only version I know of this obscure Jackie DeShannon song - wonder where she got it from? Dora's version of Did He Call Today Mama, a Randy Newman song also associated with Jackie, is also interesting, on Reinbeau 5822. I had often wondered about this woman, who sounded, shall I say delicately, to be of a slightly older generation than many of the teen singers of the early 60s. However Simon White helped us all to the answer and I do recommend http://www.dorahall.tvheaven.com/ to anyone interested in finding out more about this prolific and manifestly talented woman. Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 24 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:35:29 -0800 From: "David Ponak" Subject: The Tokens The Tokens "It's A Happening World" CD is indeed available on CD from Warner Japan, with about 10 bonus tracks. (Presumably the singles from the same era.) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- End