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There are 11 messages in this issue of Spectropop.
Topics in this Digest Number 422:
1. Re: You're No Good
From: "Robert Conway"
2. Brute Force "live" in England!
From: "Michael Greenberg"
3. Let's Dance!
From: "Peter Lerner"
4. Re: "You're No Good" - who did the original version?
From: Richard Hattersley
5. 2much2respond2
From: Frank Youngwerth
6. Jimmie Rodgers; Hal Blaine; radio
From: "Paul Payton"
7. Re: Too alive Crewe
From: Scott
8. Re: Nilsson, Newman...
From: Michael Sinclair
9. Re: You're No Good
From: Richard Hattersley
10. Re: Let's Dance!
From: "Justin McDevitt"
11. RE: Let's Dance!
From: "Keith Beach"
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:24:01 -0600
From: "Robert Conway"
Subject: Re: You're No Good
Is no one taken with the young Linda Ronstadt's version
of "You're No Good"? It certainly deserves mention.
"Ian Chapman" wrote;
>It was Dee Dee Warwick who cut the original version of
>"You're No Good", and indeed "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me".
>Not "Suspicious Minds", however - Elvis had a hit in '69,
>Dee Dee's version appeared in '71. Regarding the
>Swinging Blue Jeans version of "You're No Good" - no way
>can I agree with that appraisal. It's fine as a piece of
>British Beat, but can't compare to the sublime treatment
>the song gets from both Dee Dee and Betty Everett.
>Personally, the Betty Everett version is the one for me -
>the measured, ice-cool, put-down delivery, that little
>catch of breath after the second line....... if ever a
>record defined closure, this is it.
>
>Ian
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:34:00 -0000
From: "Michael Greenberg"
Subject: Brute Force "live" in England!
>From time to time we've mentioned Brute Force (a.k.a
Stephen Friedland) in our discussions. Spectropoppers in
the U.K. may be interested in the following announcement
>from Brute Force:
A trans-generational, never mind sensational,
bi-continental collaboration occurs between Brute Force,
Apple Record's rarest artist, (King of Fuh, Apple 8), and
Misty's Big Adventure, at The Academy in Birmingham,
England, on the evening of April 16th, 2002. Two
generations separate Brute and the band. They found his
music in record stores and on the web. Bandleader Gareth
Jones contacted Brute and with his brother and fellow band
member, Matthew, visited Brute in NYC. The concert will
feature music from Brute's Columbia album,"I, Brute Force,
Confections of Love", and his new music.
Misty's, in their twenties, has an English following and
Brute, having started with the Tokens in 1964, now has an
international cult status. He wrote The Chiffons hit,
"Nobody Knows What's Goin' On In My Mind But Me". Recently
his "King of Fuh" championed by George Harrison and John
Lennon, has been added to the censored song database of
the First Amendment Center at Vanderbilt University in
Nashville,TN.
If anyone attends, I'd love to hear about this event!
Michael
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:23:38 -0000
From: "Peter Lerner"
Subject: Let's Dance!
Who can help me out there?
Karen and I are getting married on June 8th, and we're
having a party. I don't trust the music to any DJ so I am
making a tape. I'm looking for really good, tried and
tested, get 'em up on the floor dancers. Not slow
shufflers, not smoochers, but sounds to get people out of
their chairs, on to the floor and dancing.
I've got one stipulation; that the song is on a record /
CD I already own, or easily obtainable - I don't want this
great northern soul 45 currently listed at GBP250. Karen
has one stipulation too - nothing by Abba - but I'm sure
Spectropoppers wouldn't have taken me there anyway!
Any help will be very gratefully received.
Peter
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:12:46 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Re: "You're No Good" - who did the original version?
Michael Edwards wrote:
> Does anyone know who first recorded "You're No Good"? It
> seems to be commonly assumed that Betty Everett did.
>
> [The definitive version is by] a group from Liverpool who
> once utilized the Beatles as their backing band, the
> Swinging Blue Jeans. Ray Ennis and the lads strip the song
> back to its basics, throw in some understated Scouse back
> up vocals and take over ownership.
That would be Ray Ellis. I agree A fab version. Have you
heard their cover of Dont make me over. Also very good.
richard
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:50:15 EST
From: Frank Youngwerth
Subject: 2much2respond2
> Can you tell me whether there's a version of the
> Beatles' "From Me To You" there? I vaguely remember
> hearing yet a different version from the Beatles and
> Del Shannon, and thinking I heard it identified as
> Rick Nelson
I've seen the Nelson set (complete Verve and Imperial),
but held off from buying it, since I have all those 2-fer
reissues that came out domestically last year. I hope
they go on and do his underrated Decca years. I don't
think the songs are listed outside this new set, but
maybe they're listed on the internet.
> Whether you like Archies or Globetrotters records
> better depends on your personal tastes.
Didn't mean to knock the Archies, just that listening to
two RKO album reissues a few months back left me colder
than I'd have expected. Ron Dante is fine, but it doesn't
mean much to me when I don't care to hear the song again.
I don't know how "R&B" Neil and Howard are, but their
melodies sure do make the 'trotters shine.
> Is that the same band that Olivia Newton-John was a
> member of?
I think Olivia's group was spelled Toomorrow.
> Well, Frank, if Bear DID "The Complete Sessions" of
> Hal Blaine", it would be 8,000 songs!!!>>
A recent Goldmine ad offered a German 40-disc Ellington
box with 750+ songs. That inspired me to speculate on the
possibility of my long-cherished 'Complete Hal' fantasy.
In the meantime, those projects his daughter's talking
about sound good.
> I hope I am not confusing the singers here but I
> believe Jimmie Rodgers is the son of Hank Snow and was
> named in honour of Jimmie Rodgers (America's Blue
> Yodeller, The Singing Brakeman etc.,)
Joel Whitburn says the Honeycomb man was born James
Frederick Rodgers--no apparent connection to Hank Snow,
who did famously name a son after the legendary Singing
Brakeman.
By the way, I don't recall anyone mentioning what a
fantastic (brand new) version Gene Pitney does of "Town
Without Pity" on the currently running R&R Hall of Fame
special on VH1. Every note of orchestration and backup
vocals is there and on the money (thanks, Paul Shaffer).
It comes about 20 minutes before the show's end.
Frank Youngwerth
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:41:06 -0500
From: "Paul Payton"
Subject: Jimmie Rodgers; Hal Blaine; radio
Mike Edwards writes:
> Jimmie Rodgers' The World I Used To Know from 1964 - a
> song written by the poet, Rod McKuen.
Indeed, Mike. Very nice track - which puts me in mind of
another folkie sound he had on Dot, although definitely in
the pop vein; I forget which line is the title, but the
chorus goes, "Please tell me if you can / What time to the
trains roll in? / 2:10, 06 :15, 10:44." (With the verses, it
works as music.
Norman wrote:
> I believe Jimmie Rodgers is the son of Hank Snow and
> was named in honour of Jimmie Rodgers (America's Blue
> Yodeller, The Singing Brakeman etc.,)
I don't think he benefitted from famous parentage, Norman,
but I could be wrong. Help, anyone? He was always "Jimmie"
in the US, to distinguish him from the Yodeling Brakeman
and also from a Chicago-based bluesman, Jimmy Rogers. What
did he say about the "mugging incident" in his interview,
and is he in good health now? Recording? Performing?
Bobby Lloyd Hicks notes:
> {I]n June [Hal Blaine and his daughter will] be
> offering a 4-CD audio-biography of Hal's recollections
> and observations on his multi-decade career in the
> record biz, available only from his website.
Bobby, (1) what is the URL, please? (2) Could you post a
reminder when it comes out?
Freeman Carmack mentions:
>
> Kaleidoscope, BEACON FROM MARS based on a 30 second
> ad I heard from WLS in Chicago, late at night, when
> they beefed up their transmission signal.
Wow! I thought band that was a psychedelic pleasure
confined to FM progressive stations at the time. By the
way, WLS didn't beef up their own signal; not having to
fight the sun's UV rays at night increased it for them.
This results in other AM stations on the same frequency,
whose signals wouldn't interfere with WLS during the day,
signing off at sunset, thus allowing WLS' 50kw signal to
roar. (Same is true for other "clear channel" stations;
some that roared in at night in New York were WKBW,
Buffalo; WOWO, Fort Wayne; CKLW, Windsor-Detroit; and the
[in]famous deep-country WWVA, Wheeling, West Virginia. WSM,
Nashville's Grand Ole Opry became a national phenomenon
thanks to its clear channel signal.) Theoretically, on an
uncluttered AM band, 250 watts could circle the world at
night, but the band has become increasingly cluttered with
FCC deregulation allowing for some former daytime-only AM
stations to stay on at night with severely reduced power
and/or a highly directionalized signal. We'll probably
never see such impressive clear channel dominance again -
not counting Clear Channel Broadcasting, Inc., which seems
to own a dominant number of stations in too many markets.
But that's another story.)
Country Paul
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:24:33 EST
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Too alive Crewe
In a message dated 3/24/02, Jim Cassidy writes:
> singer/songwriter Cindy Bullens
A year or two ago CBS's Sunday Morning program did a
feature on Bullens. I forget the exact story, other than
they were talking about the fact she'd largely retired
>from music, but had recently recorded a tribute/charity
CD.
It made me remember I owned a couple of her LPs (showing
my age here). Turned out I had three and two of the three
were actually really good. She was quite an accomplished
guitarist...
Scott
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 11:11:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Sinclair
Subject: Re: Nilsson, Newman...
--- Joseph Scott wrote:
> Derek Taylor turned John Lennon and Paul McCartney on
> to Nilsson's music in late 1967, and they both
> immediately became very big fans of his.
>
> Along the same lines, how about Randy Newman's
> influence on others such as the Beatles? I've read a
> Feb. '67 McCartney interview in which he raves about
> the song "Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear."
Joseph,
With your coments regarding Randy Newman, you are closing
the "family circle." Indeed, Randy Newman became an
undeniable influence on virtually all creative music
makers, consciously, or unconsciously. In a way, he is
sort of the Bob Dylan of modern popular music (with strong,
nostalgic links to traditional, melancholic pop music).
Harry Nilsson's and Newman's kinship is a matter of record,
beautifully demonstrated in the Nilsson sings Newman LP...
and the beat goes on...
> As Mark W. probably knows, McCartney has also
> acknowledged the Teenage Opera as an influence on
> his late '60s work.
Well, Paul and I have always had a major link -
Geoff Emerick. As Paul and Geoff became like brothers,
so did Geoff and I, and still are. Geoff works
exclusively with Paul at this time, and whenever we
can, Geoff and I get together socially. Regarding my
influence on Paul, Geoff told me once that my album
"Balloon" is one of paul's top ten favorite LPs of all
time (as Paul's "Ram" LP is the same for me). I had no
idea, however, that Paul was in any way influenced by
Teenage Opera. How about that...? Well, that's a kick
and makes me smile - and blush, to be honest. Thanks
for letting me know!
Best to you,
Mark (Wirtz)
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:15:29 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Re: You're No Good
>"Ian Chapman" wrote;
> >
> > It was Dee Dee Warwick who cut the original version of
> > "You're No Good". Regarding the Swinging Blue Jeans
> > version of "You're No Good"...It's fine as a piece of
> > British Beat, but can't compare to the sublime
> > treatment the song gets from both Dee Dee and Betty
> > Everett.
> >
"Robert Conway" wrote:
> Is no one taken with the young Linda Ronstadt's version
> of "You're No Good"? It certainly deserves mention.
>
Elvis Costello did a pleasant version as well on the b
side of Veronica
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:30:38 -0600
From: "Justin McDevitt"
Subject: Re: Let's Dance!
Hi Peter,
Congratulations! So many songs, so little time. Two that
come to mind immediately are Dancing in the Street by
Martha and the Vandellas and Please Please Me by the
Beatles. Almost anything by Marvin Gaye; Fun Fun Fun by
the Beach Boys.
Thinking of all the potential songs you could include,
even with your stipulations has left me fatigued, so I'lL
pass the torch to another foot soldier; "wine and fresh
horses for my men".
Justin
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:28:27 -0000
From: "Keith Beach"
Subject: RE: Let's Dance!
Can I suggest for the smoochy dance that rounds off the
evening "Move closer" by Phyllis Nelson
Keith Beach
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