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There are 20 messages in this issue of Spectropop.
Topics in this Digest Number 432:
1. Re: Toomorrow/Alice In Wonderland - Central Nervous System
From: Stephane Rebeschini
2. Re: Toomorrow/Alice In Wonderland
From: Patrick Rands
3. RE: Alice In Wonderland
From: Ken
4. Re: Rydell on Capitol
From: Ron
5. Baby Jane, Rivingtons?, Status Cymbal
From: "Paul Payton"
6. Clover (the US band)
From: "Gerrit J. Lansink"
7. Re: Walker Bros.
From: "Norman"
8. Re: Abba/Luv'
From: Patrick Rands
9. ABBA / Harry Nilsson
From: "Norman"
10. Re: Bobby Rydell
From: Mark Wirtz
11. Alludin' to Alice
From: Bob Rashkow
12. The Warner/Reprise Loss Leaders
From: "Charles G. Hill"
13. re: Paul Anka
From: Mark Wirtz
14. P.S.
From: Mark Wirtz
15. Re: Bobby Rydell
From: "Mike Arcidiacono"
16. Re: Rivingtons
From: Michael Edwards
17. Re: Bobby Rydell
From: Michael Edwards
18. Re: Bobby Rydell
From: James Botticelli
19. Re: Bobby Rydell
From: "Joseph Panzarella"
20. Scott Walker sings Randy Newman/Status Cymbal
From: Frank Youngwerth
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:22:29 +0200
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: Re: Toomorrow/Alice In Wonderland - Central Nervous System
Jeffrey Glenn wrote:
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> 3. Alice In Wonderland (D. Morris-E. Greenberg-G.
> Schwartz-V. Neuland) - The Central Nervous System, Laurie
> 3446: 1968, Produced by Laurie Productions Inc., Recorded
> at Allegro Sound Studios I will definitely play this to
> musica when some space clears up, as this is for me a
> pinnacle of US soft psych. Great melody, great arrangement
> (recorder solo, which is always cool!), great vocals (the
> bed of background harmonies behind the B section of the
> verses and the end of the choruses is gorgeous), great
> trippy ending! You could easily call this US toy town
> psych. Michael Rashkow - did you ever do any work at
> Allegro Sound Studios? Do you know anything about this
> record? Fuzz, Acid and Flowers only lists their 1968 LP on
> another label, which by all accounts isn't very good. Their
> first Laurie single - also from 1968 - is good but not
> great. Based on that, who woulda thunk they had this in
> them?:-)
>
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Central Nervous System were in fact Canadian, so the short
Fuzz entry will be deleted soon.
Here's the Dreams, Fantasies & Nightmares entry for them.
Stephane
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Central Nervous System
Personnel:
DOUG BILLARD vcls A
BRUCE CASSIDY trumpet A
KEITH JOLLIMORE reeds A
JACK S. LILLY drms A
RICHARD OAKLEY bs A
JIM WHITE gtr A
ALBUM:
1(A) I COULD HAVE DANCED ALL NIGHT (Music Factory 12003)
1969
45:
1 Something Happened/Alice In Wonderland (Laurie 3446)
1968
This underground rock outfit operated out of Halifax, Nova
Scotia. Lilly and Billard had previously played together
in Five Sounds and were also connected with Great Scots.
When the band split in 1969 Harris and Oakley went on to
Soma, who made two 45s for Aquarius in the early '70s;
Billard and White joined Pepper Tree who made a string of
45s and an album for Capitol in the 1970s and Cassidy and
Jollimore joined Lighthouse who, of course, had a prolific
recording output in the first half of the '70s.
Mike Warth of Leighton Buzzard wrote in to tell me about
the album. It comes with an excellent and misleading
psychedelic cover because it's really a good-time
dance/pop/soul album with some occasional fuzz guitar. It
was produced by Tom Wilson and recorded at the Record
Plant in New York. All bar one of the tracks were
originals by Billard and Jollimore, but that other track,
a Lonnie Mack composition, Why, is the best of the album.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:51:51 -0500
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: Re: Toomorrow/Alice In Wonderland
On Mon, 01 Apr 2002, Jeffrey Glenn wrote:
> 2. Alice In Wonderland (R.J. Benninghoff) - The Berkeley
> Kites, Minaret MIN-140: 1967, Produced by Finley Duncan for
> Playground Productions, Musical Director: Arjay This is one
> very cool obscure soft pop record! Very jazzy (in waltz
> time) with prominent flute. The Fuzz, Acid and Flowers
> site doesn't say where they're from, but the names above
> (and the fact that a Musical Director is listed) leads me
> to think they're English (plus they mention toy town psych
> in the description). Anyone know for sure? Anyone else
> have any of their other records? - I'd love to hear more.
This song can be found on the Bubblegum Mother***er
series (the first volume),
Patrick
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 23:45:47 +0100
From: Ken
Subject: RE: Alice In Wonderland
-----Original Message from: Mark Wirtz
> Wasn't there a Neil Sedaka recording entitled "Alice In
> Wonderland"?
You are quite right,go to the top of the class. Recorded
in 1963 on RCA 8137 in U S & RCA 1331 in UK with
"Circulate " as the "b" side. It had no "white rabbit"
influences though! Another link is a young lady with the
unlikely name of Alice Wonderland who dented the U S
charts in late 1963 with a Spector pastiche called " He's
Mine" on Bardell 774 in U S and London American HLU 9783
in UK.
Ken Somewhere on the West Coast
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:10:29 -0000
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Rydell on Capitol
--- In Spectropop, "Paul Payton" wrote:
> Martin Roberts, I was unaware of any Bobby Rydell
> recordings on Capitol. Thanks; I'll watch musica for more.
Bobby Rydell's Capitol output has been released by
Collectors Choice http://www.ccmusic.com Here is the track
line up.
1 Diana
2 Stranger In The World
3 It's A Sin To Tell A Lie
4 You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Loves You
5 Come To Me
6 Bellazza
7 Please Don't Stay Away Too Long
8 Don't Be Afraid To Love Me
9 Dansero
10 Time Out For Tears
11 Theme Of Love
12 I Just Can't Say Goodbye
13 Two Is The Loneliest Number
14 The Joker
15 Side Show
16 It Takes Two
17 When I See That Girl Of Mine
18 Roses In The Snow
19 The Word For Today
20 Not You
21 She Was The Girl
22 You Gotta Enjoy Joy
23 Open For Business As Usual
24 Blue For You
25 Mohair Sam
Ron
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:42:19 -0500
From: "Paul Payton"
Subject: Baby Jane, Rivingtons?, Status Cymbal
Ian Slater mentioned Baby Jane & the Rockabyes, which sent
me to the far corners of the record library. I came up
with two 45's by them:
UA 560 (Arr. Teacho Wiltshire; Prod. Leiber-Stoller; Dir.
Bert Berns), 1962 "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window"
(wr: Bob Merrill) - the old Patti Page hit done as a
low-budget Bob B. Soxx & the Blue Jeans ripoff, right down
to a Bobby Sheen imitator who appears nowhere else in
these four songs. (Spending a bit more on additional
musicians and mixing time would have helped considerably.)
"My Boy John" (wr: Leiber-Stoller) - a Dixie
Cups/DixieBelles derivative that sounds like a practise
run for those two groups. New Orleans-ish horns help. "My
Boy John can limbo way down low" to an incongruous beat.
Sounds like a practice run for "Chapel of Love" and "Girls
Can Tell."
Spokane 45-4004 (same as above without Bert Berns;
distributed by Scepter), 1963 "Get Me To The Church On
Time" (wr: Lerner-Lowe) - Yes, that song, this time about
2/3 Bob B. Soxx, including the beat, and 1/3 Dixie Cups,
with a lead voice that hits dog-audible high notes (my
ears are still ringing!).
"Half Deserted Street" (wr: C. Spencer) - the Scepter
influence shows strongly here; the Shirelles' "Everybody
Loves A Lover" meets a Claudine Clark ("Party
Lights")-like lead voice. (This is the track Ian mentioned,
and although the original B-side, is IMO the best of all
of them.)
I seem to remember some airplay on "Doggie"; I don't know
if the group did anything else or who the personnel were.
By the way, Spokane 45-4003, in the same 1963 release, was
Scott English's beautiful latter-day doo-wop ballad, "High
On A Hill." Although a small hit in various markets, it
was #1 in Boston upon release!
Kingsley Abbott asks:
> Who/What's the Rivingtons connection with the Valiants/Alley
> Cats please. I thought they were different guys...
I seem to remember being told they were the same guys, the
Rivingtons being another of their incarnations. My source
was possibly Don "Dante" Drowty; I'll ask him next time we
get in contact. Can anyone help prove me right or wrong,
please?
Stephane Ribischi: Thanks for the info on the A&M Captain
Beefheart mini LP. Do you know if the songs were as
"linear" as "Diddy Wah Diddy" or more in line with his
polytonal material? (And thank you, too, for the Clover
clarification; I used to have one of their LP's, but it
"developed legs and took a walk.")
Nick Archer wrote:
> Last week I was able to do a one hour interview with
> Byron Warner, orginal member of the Status Cymbal along
> with his sister Florence Warner and Tom Porter. I'll
> post the highlights here soon.
For list consumption, Nick, any interesting notes on their
pre- or post- "In The Morning" career? You also said "In
The Morning" was a hit - regionally? I always wished it
had been in New England.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:10:48 +0200
From: "Gerrit J. Lansink"
Subject: Clover (the US band)
As far as I know the US Clover (who lived for a while in
London) released two albums recorded in Britain, both
produced by Robert John Lange. "Unavailable" (what's in a
name?) from 1976/1977 was recorded in Rockfield and
features a great a capella version of Sam Cooke's Chain
Gang. Clover were at that time: Heuy Louis (yeah, the same!),
Alex Call, John McFee, Sean Hopper, Micky Shine and Johnny
Ciambotti.
>From 1977 is "Love On The Wire". Same line-up, except for
Tony Braunagel (drums) replacing Micky Shine. Once again a
great cover song is included: Travellin' Man (once a big
one for Rick Nelson - wasn't it the flip side or even the
A-side of Hello Mary Lou?).
Gerrit Lansink
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 23:40:32 +0930
From: "Norman"
Subject: Re: Walker Bros.
Richard wrote;
> Wally Stott became a Woman!!!!!!!!! Wow! The stuff I learn
> from this group
Wendy Carlos once recorded as Walter Carlos (Switched On
Bach). She too undertook the change.
Norman
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:45:40 -0500
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: Re: Abba/Luv'
On Tue, 02 Apr 2002, Billy G. Spradlin wrote:
> I discovered several LUV MP3s with WinMX, most sound like
> they were ripped from CD, anywhere know where I can buy a
> greatest hits CD? The catchiest one I discovered is "Your
> My Number One" - VERY 70's Euro-pop! I'm curious if any of
> thier music had been released in the USA.
I don't think anything has been released in the USA. They
have quite a few cds out actually but all were released in
Sweden is my guess. They even have a cd called Gold. I
have had NO luck locating a cd online though. Here's two
different discographies I did find online:
http://members.aol.com/uheep2/luv.html
2-9-78 Album 6 25 With Luv' - Luv'
26-5-79 Album 7 22 Lots Of Luv' - Luv'
15-12-79 Album 13 8 True Luv' - Luv'
13-12-80 Album 13 6 Forever Yours - Luv'
15-5-93 Album 14 18 Gold - Luv'
also:
title Greatest Hits format and year LP, 1979
title All You Need Is Luv format and year CD, 1993
title My Number One format and year CD, 1995
title One More Night format and year CD, 1995
title You're The Greatest Lover format and year CD, 1998
http://www.popinstituut.nl/index.htm?dat/index.htm?2594
Albums
title With Luv'
format and year LP, 1978
label Philips
title True Luv'
format and year LP, 1979
label Carrere
title Lots Of Luv'
format and year LP, 1979
label Philips
title Greatest Hits
format and year LP, 1979
label Philips
title Forever Yours
format and year LP, 1980
label Carrere
title Babe & Luv', Greatest Hits
format and year 2LP, 1981
label Carrere
title Goodbye
format and year LP, 1981
label Philips
title For You
format and year CD, 1989
label High Fashion Records
bijzonderheden mini-album
title Megamix
format and year CD, 1992
label Arcade
title Sincerely Yours
format and year CD, 1993
label RCA
title All You Need Is Luv
format and year CD, 1993
label Roman Disc
title Gold
format and year CD, 1993
label Arcade
title My Number One
format and year CD, 1995
label Digimode
title One More Night
format and year CD, 1995
label Pink
title You're The Greatest Lover
format and year CD, 1998
label
Patrick
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 23:33:44 +0930
From: "Norman"
Subject: ABBA / Harry Nilsson
Re: Billy G. Spradlin
> Another group that I have heard sounds a like ABBA but
> only heard one track is Harpo, thier "Movie Star" has some
> funny fractured english lyrics ala ABBA's early hits.
Harpo (Jan Svensson ?) had both Movie Star and Horoscope
as hits. They were Swedish recordings but I'm not sure of
his nationality. Movie Star had a feel that crossed that
line between British and Swedish pop.
Another "ump pah pah" sounding Abba-esque tune was by
Dutch group Teach In with Up Side Down. I believe they
won the Eurovision Song Contest too with a song called
"Ding-A-Dong" in 1975.
But I reckon the one that takes the cake for "funny
fractured english lyrics" would have to be the Goombay
Dance Band (Oliver Bendt) with a song called Seven Tears.
Re: Harry Nilsson
In 1968, when I was trying hard to ignore the Monkees but
couldn't escape great pop songs such as Cuddly Toy (#5 in
my home town), I was constantly playing "I Said Goodbye To
Me" by an British group called The Glass Menagerie. It
was the first time I became aware of HN. The b-side,
Frederick Jordan, was written by group member John Medley.
Both sides are excellent. Astor AP-1553. Most PYE
recordings were issued in Australia by ASTOR.
The Glass Menagerie were: Lou Stonebridge, Al Kendall,
Bill Atkinson and John Melody.
Norman
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:14:29 EST
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Bobby Rydell
I remember one Bobby Rydell popdrop that I loved and was
not part of the "twist" mode that Bobby fell into (no
doubt a "side effect" of stable mate Chubby Checker) - "I
Got Bonnie," written by Goffin-King. Anybody recall the
label?
Mark (Wirtz) :)
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 00:37:31 -0000
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Alludin' to Alice
Did anyone mention Spindrift's tune "Alice in Wonderland"
(1967) on Scepter? Jeff Glenn lists this on the Lost Juke
Box file. Very nice harmony but I didn't groove on it so
I sold the 45 - Bobster
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:35:34 -0600
From: "Charles G. Hill"
Subject: The Warner/Reprise Loss Leaders
> Many years ago one of the Spectropop members ran a website
> that, among other things, listed every one of the 20+
> Warner Bros. Sampler records that were issued in the late
> '60s and '70s. They are such a great audio history of
> Warner/Reprise during their artist friendly days, that I
> started trying to find them all. I only have 10 of them
> and I'm trying to locate, again, the web site list that
> has them all.
Has it been that long?
Drop into http://www.dustbury.com/music/wbloss.html
and relive those golden moments of yesterday.
> Incidentally, I spoke with a WB VP a few years ago and
> urged him to look into re-releasing these samplers on CD.
> Personally I think they would be a hit, but probably only
> with hard-core collectors. The response from WB was that
> it would cost too much to research and acquire the
> necessary licenses from all the artists in order to make
> it worthwhile.
Probably Stan Cornyn, whom I hit with basically the same
question, and got essentially the same answer....cgh
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 20:06:36 EST
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: re: Paul Anka
Any of you feel inclined to open the classic Paul Anka
treasure chest? Frankly, if it hadn't been for Jerry Lewis,
Paul Anka, Neil Sedaka, Ricky Nelson, Bobby Rydell and Don
Gibson, I would be a cranky, aging doctor in Germany right
now. That would be a pity, wouldn't it?
Mark (Wirtz) :)
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 20:09:36 EST
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: P.S.
.... oops... and Gene Pitney, of course ("Town Without
Pity" totally did me in. And the early Spector produced
Pitney tracks were a beautiful mess).
M:)
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:23:59 -0500
From: "Mike Arcidiacono"
Subject: Re: Bobby Rydell
----- Original Message from "Mark Wirtz"
> I remember one Bobby Rydell popdrop that I loved and was
> not part of the "twist" mode that Bobby fell into (no
> doubt a "side effect" of stable mate Chubby Checker) - "I
> Got Bonnie," written by Goffin-King. Anybody recall the
> label?
Cameo Parkway
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:14:32 -0500
From: Michael Edwards
Subject: Re: Rivingtons
Kingsley Abbott asks:
>
> Who/What's the Rivingtons connection with the Valiants/
> Alley Cats please. I thought they were different guys...
>
EMI released a Rivingtons' complitaion CD, The Liberty
Years in 1991. It includes a very extensive interview with
group member, Al Frazier, who takes us through the group's
history from being the Lamplighters on Federal in 1953 to
the close of the 60s. They recorded under a number of
different names (such as the Sharps on Jamie) but there is
no mention of the Valiants or the Alley Cats.
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:35:08 -0500
From: Michael Edwards
Subject: Re: Bobby Rydell
Mark Wirtz wrote:
> I remember one Bobby Rydell popdrop that I loved and was
> not part of the "twist" mode that Bobby fell into (no
> doubt a "side effect" of stable mate Chubby Checker) - "I
> Got Bonnie," written by Goffin-King. Anybody recall the
> label?
Cameo 209, released in 1962 with an appealing flipside,
Lose Her.
This label always springs to mind as along with its sister
label, Parkway, it is the only major US label not to have
had its catalog released on legit CDs. I gave up waiting
for these CDs and purchased Cameo/Parkway reissues on
overseas labels: Liberty Bell, Marginal, Park and Campark.
The quality on these CDs is excellent and they are
available from oldies CD dealers. Campark has 3 volumes of
Cameo/Parkway northern soul material due out very soon.
Jerry Jackson's on one with Its Rough Out There a very
impressive soul ballad from 1966. Bobby Rydell's I've Got
Bonnie is on "Bobby Rydell - Original Hit Records" (Park
556) along with 29 other tracks.
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:45:38 EST
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Bobby Rydell
> I remember one Bobby Rydell popdrop that I loved and was
> not part of the "twist" mode that Bobby fell into (no
> doubt a "side effect" of stable mate Chubby Checker) - "I
> Got Bonnie," written by Goffin-King. Anybody recall the
> label?
How about the B Side called "Hi, I'm Bobby" where he just
talks, no music at all, and says something like "Hi, I'm
Bobby Rydell and I live at 268 Schmenkins Avenue in
Philadelphia and I'd like to share a little bit about
myself with all my fans out there". And he proceeds to
talk all about himself.
Jimmy Botticelli
Taking the EZ..Way Out!
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:56:03 -0500
From: "Joseph Panzarella"
Subject: Re: Bobby Rydell
Mark,
"I've Got Bonnie" was a good record, played the grooves
off of it when I was a kid, I also liked the B side as
well "Lose Her". The record was actually released on
Cameo Records #209 in 1962. I loved all that
Cameo/Parkway stuff from the 60's...Chubby Checker, Dee
Dee Sharp, The Dovells, The Orlons...Cameo Records had
it's share of Doo Wop sides as well.
Some great stuff came out of Cameo/Parkway.
Joe Panzarella
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 01:20:54 EST
From: Frank Youngwerth
Subject: Scott Walker sings Randy Newman/Status Cymbal
Scott Walker "I Don't Want to Hear It Anymore"
(2:55)/"You're All Around Me" (2:36) Smash S-2156 Produced
by Johnny Franz
I went and pulled out the 45 and the Brothers' debut LP,
and it sounds like the 45 is a very nicely remixed version
of the album cut that eliminates the vocal intro, and
fades earlier, just after "these walls.." I hadn't
compared the two versions in maybe 15 years, and never
side by side before. The difference in impact between the
two when played is striking, the single sounding like it
should have been a massive hit (though I tend to feel the
same about a lot of Scotts work).
I have a book about Walker with a discography, and nowhere
in it can I find the single listed or mentioned. Maybe it
was never commercially released. I bought it at the
now-defunct Wax Trax store on Lincoln Ave (btw, somebody
who worked there told me the storefront used to be a
funeral home, where Dillinger's body was brought after the
FBI gunned him down outside the Biograph a few doors away).
Smash was a division of Chicago-based Mercury, so if this
were promo-only, it wouldn't have had to travel too far to
get to the store.
I just got a new iMac, and haven't yet figured out how to
connect up my turntable to input audio, but if and when I
do, I'll send it to musica.
I also have that Status Cymbal RCA Victor LP, and would be
interested in hearing the interview via real file.
Frank Youngwerth
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