Spectropop - Digest Number 1031

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• Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Speaking of George
           From: Steve Harvey 
      2. Re: Paul Harris
           From: Steve Harvey 
      3. 1964 on musica
           From: Phil Milstein 
      4. Re: Joanie Sommers "Before and After"
           From: Frank 
      5. Information needed
           From: Herb 
      6. Jack Nitzsche Update
           From: Martin Roberts 
      7. Re. Help Needed
           From: Susan Hilton 
      8. Re: The T.A.M.I. Show
           From: Vlaovic B 
      9. Re: Help Needed
           From: Austin Powell 
     10. Poni-Tails - "Before We Say Goodnight"
           From: Don 
     11. Re: "Before and After"
           From: Ian Chapman 
     12. Re. Hitch Hikle
           From: Phil Milstein 
     13. The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No"
           From: Art Longmire 
     14. Re: TNT and TAMI Shows
           From: David Coyle 
     15. Re: The T.A.M.I. Show
           From: Steve Harvey 


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Message: 1
      Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Steve Harvey 
Subject: Speaking of George

A very knowledgable record collector told me that
Harrison came over in 1968 to visit the US and heard
the tapes for the White Album (about to be released).
He went and remixed his cuts on the LP, but you can
only hear his remixes on albums with 'Mastered By
Capitol' in the run-off grooves. Anyone else ever heard
of this or have one of those rare White Albums?
Radically different versions from the ones that most
people know. 



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Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:03:45 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Steve Harvey 
Subject: Re: Paul Harris

Elektra made a deal with the Spoons to buy their gear
in return for their five cuts (4 came out on "What's
Shakin'?"). It was those 5 cuts that Paul Harris
produced. The Doors were not on it, but Tom Rush, Al
Kooper, Eric Clapton with Stevie Windwood and the Paul
Butterfield Band. 



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Message: 3
   Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:31:32 -0400
   From: Phil Milstein 
Subject: 1964 on musica

Two additions to musica:

* As recently discussed, Bobby Lee Trammell's stompin' "New 
Dance In France."

* "Johnny Won't Surf No More," a great surf/death song from 
the counter-hit factory at Pickwick/Design, and therefore quite 
possibly co-written by the pre-Velvets Lou Reed.

Enjoy,

--Phil M.



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Message: 4
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:41:36 -0000
   From: Frank 
Subject: Re: Joanie Sommers "Before and After"

Astro wrote:

> I'm sure many of you have seen this wonderful clip [Joanie 
> Somers "Before and After"] on the Hullaballoo video collection. 
> I can't find writing, production, or release information anywhere. 
> Has it ever been released on CD?

Joanie's great performance of "Before And After" on Hullabaloo in 
1965 has never been released on record or CD to my knowledge.  It 
can only be found on the Hullabaloo home video.  It was common 
practice at the time, that if the performer did not have a current 
hit record to perform, they would cover someone else's hit.  In this 
case, "Before and After" was a current hit by Chad and Jeremy.  It 
was also the title track on a Fleetwoods LP.  Sorry, but my records 
are packed away for moving, so I cannot give you writer info.  But 
it is the same song that Chad & Jeremy had as their debut 45 and LP 
on Columbia. Perhaps someone else can tell us who wrote the song.
In 1965, Joanie Sommers was leaving Warner Bros. records after 5 
years.  Her TV version of "Before and After" sounds good enough to 
be a studio recording, but it is my belief that she either recorded 
it for the program, or sang it live, and never released the song. 
All Joanie Sommers fans are welcome to join my Yahoo Group fan club.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Joanie_Sommers/




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Message: 5
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:54:04 -0000
   From: Herb 
Subject: Information needed

I am hoping that someone can help me here.

In 1965 (mid to late June; or during July), a programme aired 
from either CBS, NBC or ABC which was broadcast via a Buffalo 
TV station (Channel 2, 04 or 7).  I believe the programme aired 
on a Friday evening (not 100%) sure.

In any case, I watched it that evening on our black and white 
via an aerial.  I had been excitedly looking forward to it for a 
week and on the evening in question a local thunderstorm threatened 
its reception.  In any event, I watched and thoroughly enjoyed it.

The programme featured a variety of pop acts popular at the time.  
The only problem is that my memory of the content has slipped away.  
However, I do remember Martha & the Vandellas doing "Nowhere To Run" 
as they toured a car plant, plus "Fred Munster" walking through dunes, 
etc., to the tune of "Land Of 1000 Dances" by Cannibal & the 
Headhunters.

In some way, it seemed like a video montage with songs following each 
other.  My question is:  Does anyone remember the programme?  More of 
the content?  Etc.?

The progamme only aired once and through time I gave no thought to it 
until VHS tapes started hitting the stores.

Many years (1980s) ago Dick Clark Products put out "Best Of Bandstand" 
1 & 2 and Motown put out videos with songs set to news of events of a 
particular year (1961, 1962, etc.).  I thought for sure that that "1965" 
programme would come out in video but not so.

As for the T. A. M. I. Show, a local PayTV programme aired it in its 
original form but that was during the early 80s before it ran into 
copyright problems (The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry appeared on it). 
I know I taped it but all my stuff is in storage (moved).  Again, my 
memory is bad here.

Herb (Toronto)




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Message: 6
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:03:55 +0100
   From: Martin Roberts 
Subject: Jack Nitzsche Update

The new Record Of The Week is Terry Stafford's "A Little Bit Better" 
and it's fab - http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm

Next week, a 'Spectorish' version of "Venus" by Bobby Jason is up
against a fairly 'Spectorish' "Secret Love" by Joel Hill.

Nitzsche on the Radio is playing parts 2 + 3 of the drum demos.
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm

The latest "Al Hazan and Jack Nitzsche's Record of the Week" is another
unreleased recording - a teen rocker by Tony Caro, "The Unwritten Law".

Martin




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Message: 7
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:29:48 +0000
   From: Susan Hilton 
Subject: Re. Help Needed

Mike Dugo asked about......

> "Hitchhike" (often covered)

You don't mean "Hitch Hike" (Gaye/Stevenson/Paul), do you? 
I was just listening to that on my new CD of "Out of Our Heads".  
That guitar hook (at least on the Stones' version, I haven't 
heard any others) reminds me so much of Lou Reed's "There She 
Goes Again" (actually I was thinking of REM's version of that 
song).



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Message: 8
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:51:37 -0400
   From: Vlaovic B 
Subject: Re: The T.A.M.I. Show

I have a video version of the T.A.M.I. Show that omits the 
Rolling Stones.  I understand it was contractual.  It's so 
extreme that when in the opening song Jan & Dean mention the 
Rolling stones, their voices are wiped so there's a blank space 
in the audio track.




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Message: 9
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:05:36 +0100
   From: Austin Powell 
Subject: Re: Help Needed

Mike Dugo wrote:

> I'm doing some research and need help, please, identifying 
> the authors of the following songs.  Please respond to one 
> or all.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> I'm Alive by The Hollies; It's Easy Child by The Moody Blues
> Hitchhike (often covered); Have Mercy (often covered)

Mike: Hitchhike was written by William (Smokey) Robinson, Clarence 
Paul and Marvin Gaye.

Hope this helps....

Austin






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Message: 10
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:10:47 -0000
   From: Don 
Subject: Poni-Tails - "Before We Say Goodnight"

I came across a recording of The Poni-Tails' "Before We Say 
Goodnight" and I am trying to figure out who wrote the song.  
I know a song by that name was written by Carole King and Art 
Kaplan, but I can't figure out if this is the same song.  

Anybody out there have any info on this one?  I think Tom Waters 
was our resident expert on the Poni-Tails.

Don



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Message: 11
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:20:36 -0000
   From: Ian Chapman 
Subject: Re: "Before and After"

Astro4004 wrote:

> I'm sure many of you have seen this wonderful clip [Joanie 
> Somers "Before and After"] on the Hullaballoo video 
> collection. I can't find writing, production, or release 
> information anywhere. 

Astro,

This is a Van McCoy song, and it was first discussed here on 
the Spectropop board way back in 2000, during a "what is soft 
pop" thread.  Member Nat Kone enthused over the Chad & Jeremy 
version and mentioned another by the American Breed.  Jamie 
replied praising the Fleetwoods' version.

John Frank then chimed in saying "all the versions I've heard 
are wonderful, including the heretofore unmentioned one by 
Lesley Gore."

So although there appears to be no official recording of the 
tune by Joanie, it seems there are lots of others around.

Ian



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Message: 12
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:53:23 +0000
   From: Phil Milstein 
Subject: Re. Hitch Hikle

Susan Hilton wrote:

> You don't mean "Hitch Hike" (Gaye/Stevenson/Paul), do you?
> I was just listening to that on my new CD of "Out of Our Heads".
> That guitar hook (at least on the Stones' version, I haven't
> heard any others) reminds me so much of Lou Reed's "There She
> Goes Again" (actually I was thinking of REM's version of that
> song).

The riveting intro to the Stones' version of "Hitch Hike" is 
taken directly from Marvin's original.  The Velvet Underground, 
though recycling it into a different song, did the same.  If 
you're gonna steal, you might as well steal from the best, I 
always say.

Thumbs up,
--Phil M.




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Message: 13
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:04:57 -0000
   From: Art Longmire 
Subject: The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No"

Hello All,

I have a 45 on the Verve Forecast label by a group called 
the Oracle, titled "Don't Say No".  It's a Curt Boettcher 
production and I'm trying to find out if it was ever released 
on a compilation CD or LP.  I tried to research this record 
several years ago with no success, but wondered if anyone 
knows of any compilation appearances.

Art Longmire




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Message: 14
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:54:47 -0700 (PDT)
   From: David Coyle 
Subject: Re: TNT and TAMI Shows

Which came first, the TAMI Show or the Big TNT Show,
and were they produced by the same people? I ask this
because there is an announcement at the end of the
credits of the Big TNT Show to be sure to catch next
year's music concert film.  Was there ever a follow-up
planned?

I'm figuring the TAMI Show came first, since it
featured a lot of surf-era artists and British
Invasion groups (directly and indirectly), while the
featured performers on the Big TNT Show were the Byrds
and the Lovin' Spoonful.

What I've always noticed about the Big TNT Show was
the way the audience seemed to be a lot more rehearsed
than spontaneous in their reactions to the
performances.  The Lovin' Spoonful get the expected
reaction, and a false start for the band is followed
by a slight pause and then squeals of laughter over
the band's clowning.  And did teenagers really go ape
over Roger Miller the way they did in this film??
Seems to me he was a bit square for the TNT audience
even if he did sing about how "England Swings."

I suspect if they had trotted out Sheb Wooley (RIP) to
sing "Purple People Eater" he would have gotten the
same reaction, thanks to savvy cue card holders and
impressionable teens.

Donovan?  Petula Clark?  Come on...just how screamworthy
were they even in 1965?  Yet they, and even Joan Baez,
are treated just like they stepped off a BOAC airliner
at Kennedy Airport.

Needless to say, Joan Baez and Phil Spector doing the
Righteous Brothers was the kitschy, timeless(?)
highlight of the show.  The Ike and Tina Turner segment
is a high point, if you don't think about how their
offstage relationship fared.  There's just so much
energy there, just like Brown's legendary set from the
year before.

To me, the TAMI Show towered above the TNT Show for
sheer star power and genuine excitement, without
folkies and country raconteurs to disrupt the pace. 
Even if you had Jan and Dean skateboarding around the
stage as their opening theme song raved about "the
Rolling Stones from Liverpool." 

One also wonders what Chuck Berry, as flattered as he
probably was by his adoration among the British
groups, thought of them seguing his first hit into
Gerry and the Pacemakers' version?  Was this simply "old
school" vs. "new wave"?

The Barbarians? Classic.  How did they get a spot on
the TAMI Show anyway?  Especially considering the song
they're mostly remembered for is "Are You A Boy Or A
Girl?", rather than the Beatle-boppin' "Hey Little
Bird" featured in the film?  I wonder why the Big TNT
Show didn't feature, say, the Gants doing "Road
Runner" or the Knickerbockers doing "Lies"?

I'm glad AMC, before they decided to branch out into
films from my own lifetime, were able to show this
film as part of their rock and roll film festival.  To
see the show without all the graininess and blurriness
and bad editing of a fifth-generation bootleg was a
real experience.  I just wish, as others did when the
festival ran, that they could have shown us a complete, 
restored TAMI Show as well.

David 





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Message: 15
   Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Steve Harvey 
Subject: Re: The T.A.M.I. Show

Vlaovic B wrote:

> I have a video version of the T.A.M.I. Show that
> omits the Rolling Stones.  I understand it was contractual. 
> It's so extreme that when in the opening song Jan & Dean
> mention the Rolling stones, their voices are wiped so there's 
> a blank space in the audio track.

It might be wiped because they sing "the Rolling Stones from 
Liverpool". 
 



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