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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Information needed
From: Tom Taber
2. Re: "Before and After"
From: astro4004
3. Sky's the limit
From: Steve Harvey
4. Recent CDs: Ronnie Spector & Skeeter Davis
From: Mark Frumento
5. Re: Poni-Tails
From: Wesley Smith
6. Wings
From: Simon White
7. Re: The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No"
From: Albin Lindstrom
8. Re: Information Needed
From: Deena Canale
9. Re: TNT and TAMI Shows
From: Phil Milstein
10. Re: "Before and After"
From: Patrick Rands
11. re: Signed Spector photo and Signed Robert Shapiro photo!!
From: travelinwilburys
12. Re: Speaking of George
From: Ron Weekes
13. Re: 1964 on musica - Info on Gaye Haness 45
From: Billy G. Spradlin
14. Re: The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No"
From: Billy G. Spradlin
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Information needed
Herb wrote:
> In 1965 (mid to late June; or during July), a programme aired
> from either CBS, NBC or ABC which was broadcast via a Buffalo
> TV station (Channel 2, 04 or 7). I believe the programme aired
> on a Friday evening (not 100%) sure.
A google search revealed that it was Murray the K's
"It's What's Happening, Baby" TV special in 1965,
produced with government funds, and causing some minor
scandal by "wasting" money on teenagers. And Herb, I
just put a high gain UHF antenna in my attic, to pull
in (on good days) Toronto's channels 19, 25, 41, 47,
and 57, 70 miles away across Lake Ontario. (Brian Hogg
was quite offended when I told him the North Sea
looked like Lake Ontario, until he saw L. O. for
himself, many years ago!)
Tom Taber
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:32:40 -0000
From: astro4004
Subject: Re: "Before and After"
Ian Chapman wrote:
> So although there appears to be no official recording of
> the tune by Joanie, it seems there are lots of others around.
Thanks for all the info. I will be tracking down all of these
versions, as well as checking out Frank's group. Thanks, guys!
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:40:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Sky's the limit
TAMI came first and TNT always seemed like everybody
else that didn't make the first cut. Don't forget
Petula walking down the aisle singing only to have
Sky Saxon reach out and grab her hand!
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:40:37 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Recent CDs: Ronnie Spector & Skeeter Davis
I'm wondering if anyone else has picked up the Ronnie Spector
CD "Something's Gonna Happen"? Despite being a Marshall Crenshaw
fan I was a little suspicious of this CD until I played it.
It's quite enjoyable. My favorite track is "Communication"
because it's a song that I don't have by Crenshaw... so it's not
as tempting to compare versions. But overall Ronnie does a nice
job with Crenshaw's songs.
The liner notes to the CD are very brief. Does anyone have
any "inside scoop" on it? Any other tracks like it around?
Also worthy of mention (I think) is the new Skeeter Davis comp
on Taragon call "Pop Hits". Great idea to compile all of Skeeter's
pop material. This is one that seems a long time in coming. Many
many stand out tracks too.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:40:46 -0000
From: Wesley Smith
Subject: Re: Poni-Tails
"BEFORE WE SAY GOODNIGHT" written by N.Sherman/J.Keller
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:56:11 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Wings
This maybe up a Spectropoppers street - does anyone have
a copy of the Paul Williams/Michel Colombier album 'Wings"?
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:54:09 -0000
From: Albin Lindstrom
Subject: Re: The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No"
Art Longmire wrote:
> I have a 45 on the Verve Forecast label by a group called
> the Oracle, titled "Don't Say No". It's a Curt Boettcher
> production and I'm trying to find out if it was ever released
> on a compilation CD or LP. I tried to research this record
> several years ago with no success, but wondered if anyone
> knows of any compilation appearances.
Hey
Yes the track by Oracle can be found on one of the the
excellent Fading Yellow comps, I think it's on the second.
It's a really good song produced by Curt Boettcher and
Keith Olsen.
Albin Lindström
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:24:31 -0400
From: Deena Canale
Subject: Re: Information Needed
> The programme featured a variety of pop acts popular at the time.
> The only problem is that my memory of the content has slipped away.
> However, I do remember Martha & the Vandellas doing "Nowhere To Run"
> as they toured a car plant, plus "Fred Munster" walking through dunes,
> etc., to the tune of "Land Of 1000 Dances" by Cannibal & the
> Headhunters.
This show was called "It's What's Happening, Baby," and it was
hosted by Murray the K. I know of no video release, but it is
available for viewing at the Museum of Television and Radio in
NYC (probably in L.A. as well).
The purpose of the show was to promote some government-sponsored
youth program (perhaps employment-related or something, but I'm
not sure), so in between music acts Murray and/or one of the
performers would shill for it, encouraging the audience to write
in for more info.
The show included a bunch of lip-synched "videos" shot on location
a la "Where the Action Is"...in addition to the aforementioned, I
recall Jan & Dean on a beach, a whole mess of Motown artists in
Detroit, and the Ronettes doing "Be My Baby" on a residential NYC
street with kids playing stickball around them.
Interspersed with these videos were live performances which appear
to have been filmed at one of Murray's Brooklyn Fox package shows
...I specifically remember Little Anthony & the Imperials (with
awesome acrobatic dance moves), Chuck Jackson & Dionne Warwick, but
I know there were others. All in all, an amazing artifact!
More info can be found in the book "Station to Station," a history
of rock & roll programming on TV.
Signed D.C.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:34:28 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: TNT and TAMI Shows
[From Marshall Crenshaw's "Hollywood Rock:
A Guide To Rocknroll In The Movies":]
THE T.A.M.I. SHOW
dir: Steve Binder; prod: William Sargent Jr., Lee Savin;
studio: Screen Entertainment; 96 min., b/w (no video release)
An event that deserves a book unto itself.
This concert film from late 1964 perfectly captures a particularly
brilliant and explosive moment in rock history. Every element of
that year's diverse and innovative scene is represented here.
Virtually every significant chart act of the day (except for the
Beatles and the Four Seasons) appears in this film, all performing
as though their lives depended on it.
The show opens with hosts Jan and Dean introducing Chuck Berry,
who's paired onstage with Liverpool's Gerry and the Pacemakers.
Chuck does a half-minute version of "Nadine." Gerry responds with
"I Like It," one of his Tin Pan Alley throwaways. Then Chuck does
"Sweet Little Sixteen," and Gerry answers with "How Do You Do It?"
The kids love it and go totally nuts. Lesley Gore performs some of
the songs that have made her a gay-culture icon (including the
anthemic "You Don't Own Me").
The Supremes, wearing massive hairdos and tight dresses, deliver
a brief but scorching set of hits, near-hits, and non-hits. The
close-ups of Diana Ross's mouth are among the film's highlights.
Then from Brian Epstein's management stable comes arch-geek Billy
J. Kramer mouthing the best Lennon and McCartney song that the
Beatles never sang. Representing garage rock is the film's token
unknown act (somebody obviously owed somebody a favor), the
Barbarians, who feature a one handed drummer named Moulty. During
the next year, the Barbarians would score a minor hit with the
pre-punk classic "Are You a Boy or Are You a Girl?" Representing
what Paul Le Mat called (in American Graffiti) "that surfin' shit",
the Beach Boys show up in their striped shirts and tear the already
hysterical audience to shreds. But for some mysterious reason, their
performance is missing from most prints of this movie.
James Brown wanted to close The T.A.M.I. Show, but the producers
insisted on the Rolling Stones. Rock film fans often refer to these
back-to-back sets as The Battle of the Century. Both acts were at
career crossroads: The Stones had been causing riots in England for
a year but hadn't yet scored a significant U.S. hit single. James
Brown was the biggest star in R&B, but he hadn't yet found consistent
crossover success. James's set is a breathtaking spectacle of bodies
in motion and balls-out musical excitement. On the other hand, in
1964, the Stones were playing what every bar band in America was
playing: Chuck Berry covers and recent R&B hits. But they did have
charisma and a mystique that no other group could match. Their
relentless attack here drives the audience past the point of hysteria.
Who wins The Battle? Everybody. Who loses? Only those who don't watch.
A footnote: Sometime during the early 1980s, highlights from The
T.A.M.I. Sbow and The Big TNT Show were edited together for a home
video called That Was Rock. It's a hatchet job and a piece of garbage,
so why did I buy it? [Marshall Crenshaw]
Songs:
Here They Come, The Little Old Lady from Pasadena, Sidewalk
Surfin (Jan and Dean); Johnny B. Goode, Sweet Little Sixteen,
Nadine (Chuck Berry); Maybellene (Chuck Berry, Gerry and the
Pacemakers); Don't Let the Sun Catch You Crying, lt's Gonna Be
Alright, How Do You Do It, I Like It (Gerry and the Pacemakers);
That's What Love Is Made Of, You Really Got a Hold On Me, Mickey's
Monkey (the Miracles); Stubborn Kind of Fellow, Pride and Joy,
Can I Get a Witness, Hitchhike (Marvin Gaye with the Blossoms);
Maybe I Know, You Don't Own Me, It's My Party, Judy's Turn to Cry
(Lesley Gore); Little Children, I'll Keep You Satisfied, Bad to Me,
>From a Window (Billy J. Kramer & the Dakotas); When the Lovelight
Starts Shining Through His Eyes, Run Run Run, Baby Love, Where Did
Our Love Go (Supremes); My Little Girl (Barbarians); Out of Sight,
Prisoner of Love, Please Please Please, Night Train (James Brown
and the Famous Flames); Around and Around, Off the Hook, Time Is
on My Side, It's All Over Now, It's All Right (Rolling Stones);
Surfin' U. S.A., Surfer Girl, Dance Dance Dance, I Get Around
(Beach Boys)
THE BIG TNT SHOW
dir: Larry Peerce; prod: Phil Spector; studio: American
International; 93 min., b/w (no video release)
Phil Spector meets A.LP. on the Sunset Strip.
Originally billed as The T.A.M.L Show II in preview hype, this
repeat performance delivers on every level. The Lovin' Spoonful,
Bo Diddley, Ray Charles, and the Ronettes all contribute riveting,
electric performances in front of raging, screaming kids. Everyone
has a ball with Roger Miller's underrated country numbers, and most
of all, the church of Ike and Tina Turner can be built on this rock.
The T.A.M.L Show ended with a dramatic show-stopping contest between
James Brown and the Rolling Stones, but The Big TNT Show has no such competition, except for maybe Bo. Ike and Tina's blazing set,
especially their performance of "Goodbye So Long," should wipe away
30 years of Ike's disrepute and then some. The Byrds' segment is
legendary, and Petula Clark's rendition of "Downtown" is also
astonishing. But the quality of the music should be no surprise,
because Phil Spector produced the live orchestra. Joan Baez even
turns up in a couple of numbers. For cameo appeal, Sky Saxon of the
Seeds appears twice [in the audience --pm], perhaps only days after
"Pushin' Too Hard" was cut.
There's only one thing missing here, and that's a future. Things
would change very soon, and it's in The Big TNT Sbow that we first
begin to see the dividing line between '50s and '60s rock'n'roll
and post-Monterey "rock." For an entire night, everyone jumps around,
dances, and goes ape. Then Donovan takes the stage and suddenly the
same audience sits down patiently and listens. That's the difference
between a hot, boppin' sock hop and an arena seat, and this new
seriousness can be seen as heralding rock'n'roll's decline. The
closing of the film admonishes the viewer to "be sure to tune in for
next year's show," but next year never came. Big TNT captures that
final, tantalizing moment. [Domenic Priore]
Favorite scenes:
* The opening sequence with all the groups, kids, and dancers
gallivanting on the Sunset Strip (during its peak) to Spector's
M.F.Q. production "This Could Be The Night."
* Roger Miller being interupted by a heckler: "Most of my songs
are written about things that happened to me maybe when I was a
kid, 'cause I was a kid for 11 years back in ... that's right,
HIPPIE!"
Songs:
This Could Be the Night (Modern Folk Quartet); Satisfaction (David
McCallum); Whatd I Say, Georgia on My Mind, Let the Good Times Rod
(Ray Charles); Downtown, You're the One, My Love (Petula Clark); Do
You Believe in Magic?, You Didn't Have to Be So Nice (Lovin' Spoonful);
Hey Bo Diddley, Bo Diddley (Bo Diddley); 500 Miles, There but for
Fortune (Joan Baez); You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' (Joan Baez,
Phil Spector); Be My Baby, Shout (Ronettes); Dang Me, Engine Number
Nine, King of the Road, England Swings (Roger Miller); Turn! Turn!
Turn!, The Bells of Rbymney, Mr. Tambourine Man (Byrds); The Universal
Soldier, The Reflections of a Summer Day, Bert's Blues, Sweetjoy
(Donovan); Shake!, It's Gonna Work Out Fine, Please Please Please,
Goodbye So Long (Ike and Tina Turner); One Two Three (Ray Charles
Orchestra)
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:34:07 -0000
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: Re: "Before and After"
Ian Chapman wrote:
> This is a Van McCoy song, and it was first discussed here on
> the Spectropop board way back in 2000, during a "what is soft
> pop" thread....
> So although there appears to be no official recording of the
> tune by Joanie, it seems there are lots of others around.
Speaking of Van McCoy, anyone know what happened to his website?
http://www.vanmccoymusic.com/
It now links to an Astronaut and Space Memorabilia webpage!
Since this was one of the few websites out there with information
on this great man, anyone know if there's another website in his
honor?
I have a version of Joanie Sommers performing Before and After
on Hullaballoo. If anyone is interested in hearing it, I could
play it to musica. I also am hoping to play Sue Raney (by request)
as well, but since I have never posted to musica before can someone
tell me how the schedule works? I can post these files on Thursday
or Friday of this week.
:Patrick
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:26:40 -0000
From: travelinwilburys
Subject: re: Signed Spector photo and Signed Robert Shapiro photo!!
Ebay has a great signed photo by Phil Spector at the
Rock N Roll Hall of Fame and another great signed photo
by his attorney Robert Shapiro (who will be very busy
after today's news by the Coroner, that Lana Clarkson's
death at Phil's house was a "homocide". The Spector photo
is no. 3350740296 or "Phil Spector signed". The Shapiro
signed photo is no. 3350736688 or "Robert Shapiro signed."
Just thought some members might be interested.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:40:23 -0000
From: Ron Weekes
Subject: Re: Speaking of George
Steve Harvey wrote:
> A very knowledgable record collector told me that
> Harrison came over in 1968 to visit the US and heard
> the tapes for the White Album (about to be released).
> He went and remixed his cuts on the LP, but you can
> only hear his remixes on albums with 'Mastered By
> Capitol' in the run-off grooves. Anyone else ever heard
> of this or have one of those rare White Albums?
> Radically different versions from the ones that most
> people know.
I took the liberty of asking this question on a Beatles
related list. The only reply was "urban legend." The
thought is that George was listening to a test pressing.
Ron Weekes
http://www.garyusher.com
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:08:29 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: 1964 on musica - Info on Gaye Haness 45
> "Johnny Won't Surf No More," a great surf/death song from
> the counter-hit factory at Pickwick/Design, and therefore
> quite possibly co-written by the pre-Velvets Lou Reed.
Great track - it sounds like they wrote and performed that
whole album in 30 minutes. I also like The Beachnuts "Cycle
Annie" from the same LP, great vocal from Lou.
I lucked out a dollar 45 bin at a local used book/record store
and found a gem. Gayle Haness - "I've Never Gotten Over You"
b/w "Love Love and Affection" Bang B-541. Both tracks written
and produced by Jeff Barry! Anyone know if this charted?
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:27:20 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No"
Art Longmire wrote:
> I have a 45 on the Verve Forecast label by a group called
> the Oracle, titled "Don't Say No". It's a Curt Boettcher
> production and I'm trying to find out if it was ever released
> on a compilation CD or LP. I tried to research this record
> several years ago with no success, but wondered if anyone
> knows of any compilation appearances.
Except for homemade compilations (Jeffery Glenn has made a
nice one) and japanese bootlegs (all from vinyl dubs) much
of Curt's obscure one-shot single productions haven't been
legitimately reissued on CD.
I guess it would be too much of a licencing nightmare for a
small reissue company like Sundazed or Sonic Past Music to attempt.
JFTR: The Curt Boechetter webpage is online at:
http://home.comcast.net/~m.moring/curt/
Billy
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