Spectropop - Digest Number 1071

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• Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Song Casting
           From: That Alan Gordon 
      2. Grizzly Cub Koda
           From: Phil Milstein 
      3. Re: Jake Holmes
           From: Phil Milstein 
      4. Re: Mel Torme's "Cast Your Fate"
           From: TD Bell 
      5. Re: Mel Torme
           From: Simon White 
      6. Bob (s) And Earl
           From: Simon White 
      7. "Fodder," You Say?
           From: Chris A 
      8. Artist info required.
           From: Lee 
      9. Re: Am I The Same Girl/Soulful Strut
           From: Bill George 
     10. Re: Lulu
           From: Bill George 
     11. Foreign language re-writes
           From: Patrick Rands 
     12. Re: St Patrick
           From: Ian Slater 
     13. Randy Newman
           From: Artie Wayne 
     14. Diane Renay is coming back East!
           From: Ronnie Allen 
     15. Re: Food fight!!!!
           From: Artie Wayne 
     16. Like Young
           From: Austin Powell 
     17. Re: "Fodder," You Say?
           From: Phil Milstein 
     18. Dora Hall sings Raul Abeyta
           From: Ian Chapman 


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Message: 1
      Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:07:50 -0700 (MST)
   From: That Alan Gordon 
Subject: Re: Song Casting

Artie, like your song casting ideas.  The real title of my 
Streisand hit is "My Heart Belongs To Me, The Publishing 
Belongs To THEM".

Best, 
That Alan




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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:37:38 -0400
   From: Phil Milstein 
Subject: Grizzly Cub Koda

The upcoming Disney movie "Brother Bear" includes a character 
that is a grizzly cub named Koda.  How is that for a belated 
tribute?

--Phil M.



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Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:38:39 -0400
   From: Phil Milstein 
Subject: Re: Jake Holmes

Phil Chapman wrote:

> I know nothing of Jake Holmes, other than an album
> I found lying around in the early 70s. I fell in love with
> the title track "So Close, So Very Far To Go", and never
> really played the rest of the LP.  Was this a hit?

A moderate one here in the U.S. Sorry to say that's all I know 
by him.

--Phil M.




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Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:20:14 -0400
   From: TD Bell 
Subject: Re: Mel Torme's "Cast Your Fate"

Art Longmire wrote:

> Also love his version of "I'm Comin' Home Baby", although 
> I heard he didn't care for the song when he recorded it. What 
> is it with singers not liking songs that I consider to be some 
> of their best stuff?!

What Art says about Mel "The Velvet Fog" Torme and some singers 
not liking their best work is the reason why we have "critics" 
(you know who you are!).  Sometimes artists are not the best 
judges.  I was always entertained when Torme was a guest on Steve 
Allen's late night show and would sing the lyrics to Allen's 
"Gravy Waltz" or do a standard like "Blues in the Night".   

-- TD



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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:42:34 +0100
   From: Simon White 
Subject: Re: Mel Torme

Art Longmire wrote:

> Also love his version of "I'm Comin' Home Baby", although
> I heard he didn't care for the song when he recorded it. What
> is it with singers not liking songs that I consider to be some
> of their best stuff?!

Mel recorded it twice - once for Atlantic in '62 and then for his 
Columbia album "Right Now' in 1966, which is worth its weight in 
gold.




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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:59:15 +0100
   From: Simon White 
Subject: Bob (s) And Earl

Phil Chapman wrote:

> One of the most interesting things to me is the couple of
> studio shots of some of 'The Clan' on the back cover. Our
> utterly marvellous Northern expert has identified two of
> the guys as BOBby Day AND EARL Nelson. I'm wondering who
> the gals are.

One has to be careful here - there were two "Bobs" over time 
and this one looks like Bobby Byrd alias Bobby Day to me and 
not the accepted (in the eyes of the adoring public) face of 
Bob and Earl, Bob Relf.

For the full story, have a look at -
http://www.ritchie-hardin.com/soul/bobearl0.html
It's well worth the trip !

Simon
-- 
Rilleh !




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Message: 7
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:23:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
   From: Chris A 
Subject: "Fodder," You Say?

Phil Milstein wrote:

> Lyrics without music make good fodder for a 7th grade English 
> class.

Tell that to the estates of Johnny Mercer, Ira Gershwin. E.Y. 
Harburg, Dorothy Fields, and Lorenz Hart.

*  *  *

On a slightly less contentious note ... 

Your talk of Jake Holmes coincides with my curiosity about the 
music (hitherto unknown to me) which he and Bob Gaudio wrote for 
Sinatra's "Watertown" album.  Particularly the song "For A While," 
which was also covered by Nina Simone.  When both Simone and Frank 
Sinatra pay attention to a song, my instinct tells me something's 
there.  

Music worth chasing down?  

c. 





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Message: 8
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:50:43 -0000
   From: Lee 
Subject: Artist info required.

Hi,

Can anyone help me out with any details of a female artist 
I have a 45 by.

Celia Marie - Walk With Me - Era Records

Regards
Lee




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Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:30:39 EDT
   From: Bill George 
Subject: Re: Am I The Same Girl/Soulful Strut

Nick Archer asked:

> Which came first, Barbara Acklin's vocal "Am I the Same Girl", 
> or the instrumental "Soulful Strut"?

Well that explains why I heard an instrumental version of a 
recent Swing Out Sister song on the oldies station the other 
night!  I was beginning to think Swing Out Sister stole it.  
But now I realize it was a remake of a remake. Great song anyway.

-Bill



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Message: 10
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:47:41 EDT
   From: Bill George 
Subject: Re: Lulu

> I thought her best Atco recording was "Oh Me Oh My (I'm A
> Fool For You Baby)"
 
Lisa Hartman covered this on her 1979 LP "Hold On".  
Great version too.





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Message: 11
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:24:47 -0000
   From: Patrick Rands 
Subject: Foreign language re-writes

You all have got me thinking about songs re-written for foreign 
markets.  The German version translation of "You Don't Own Me" 
was just posted over at the Lesley Gore list.

Goodbye Tony
Goodbye Tony. We are no longer happy together.
Goodbye Tony. Today you leave me with my sorrow
Forget our pain
Forget all we did together
Forget me once and for all
Evening brings me hurt inside
Oh, Goodbye Tony. We are no longer happy together.
Goodbye Tony. Today you leave me with my sorrow
Forget every kiss you gave me
Let us make a clean break of it
Forget every moment we spent together
Forget the experience of feeling wonderful
The hurt still remains inside
Goodbye, Goodbye, Oh, Tony goodbye
Oh forget our pain
Oh forget all we did together
Forget me once and for all
Evening brings me hurt inside
Forget the experience of feeling wonderful
The hurt still remains inside
Goodbye, Goodbye, Oh Tony goodbye.

Does anyone have any other translations floating around? It's 
interesting to see just how much a song can be changed, or 
perhaps needs to be changed to sell in the foreign markets 
because of idioms which don't compute.

On a related note, anyone know anything about Vine Buggy?  
I think he may have re-written a bunch of songs for the French 
market, I see his name all over a Claude Francois album I have, 
but I don't know who he is.  Always loved his name!

:Patrick




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Message: 12
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:50:57 +0100
   From: Ian Slater 
Subject: Re: St Patrick

Rashkovsky praised:

> Kudos and huzzahs to our own Mick Patrick, "Master of The
> Masters" for the masterful job he did on the liner notes
> for "Phil's Spectre".  Is this guy good or what?

I think it's hard or impossible to over-rate the contribution 
Mick has made to our hobby in creating so many great re-issues, 
carrying out such meticulous research and making his knowledge 
available to us.  It was one of his Ace compilations (Kiss n'Tell 
- Ace CDCHD 330) that boosted my own interest in pop/soul/girl-
groups, that had fluctuated between latent and moderate since, 
erm, 1961.  Anything with his name attached is of guaranteed 
quality, and the same goes for oft-collaborator Malcolm Baumgart.  
And the CDs are all legitimate copyright productions with
all the extra costs, negotiation, and general effort that must 
entail.  But the quality shows in the results.  What really 
amazes me is that all this is his hobby too and he manages to
do it all alongside his day-job and the rigours of commuting 
into London.

Sorry to embarrass you Mick, mate, but you deserve the praise: 
and we do rather take you for granted.

Ian Slater




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Message: 13
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:10:44 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Artie Wayne 
Subject: Randy Newman

Randy Newman was among the artists I represented at Warner 
Bros. Music in the early seventies.  I'm proud to say that 
I got Bobby Darin to cut "Sail Away" on his last session.  
As I remember.......Ray Charles was about the 30th artist 
to cover the song.
 
regards, Artie Wayne





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Message: 14
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:30:51 EDT
   From: Ronnie Allen 
Subject: Diane Renay is coming back East!

Most of you are probably aware that I hosted a special three-
hour interview show with Diane Renay earlier this year called 
"Diane Renay And Friends." 

Diane is best-known of course for her 1964 top-ten smash "Navy 
Blue" and the successful followup hit "Kiss Me Sailor" but many 
of you may be aware she also had several regional hits as well, 
including "Tender" and "Growin' Up Too Fast" and -- quite possibly 
my own personal favorite -- "Watch Out Sally."

Diane was born and raised in Philadelphia but, for the past several 
years, has been living in Las Vegas.

I know, from the many e-mails I received, that Diane has lots of 
fans in the East Coast portion of the country, several of whom 
explicitly expressed the hope that Diane would someday make an 
appearance on the East Coast.

As it turns out, it's gonna happen next week.

Diane will be making her first East Coast professional appearance 
in close to 40 years.

She will be meeting and greeting friends and fans and signing 
autographs for three days next week (Thursday, Friday and Saturday, 
October 23rd through 25th) at the "Friends Of Old-Time Radio" 
Convention, which is being held at the Holiday Inn in Newark, NJ.

Two other recording stars who will be appearing with Diane are 
Paul Petersen, who sang the top-ten hit "My Dad" and was one of 
Diane's "friends" on the above-mentioned radio show, and Rupert 
Holmes, who hit #1 with "Escape (The Pina Colada Song)" and also 
wrote the Buoys' infamous hit "Timothy"!).

I will be at the convention for all three days as well so if any 
of you attend please say "hi" to me as well as to Diane!

Ronnie Allen
E-mail: RonnieOldiesGuy@aol.com



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Message: 15
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:43:25 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Artie Wayne 
Subject: Re: Food fight!!!!

That Alan wrote:

> Mark Frumento, has suggested Artie Wayne join the rockin' 
> opposition. Artie, I know a boy from the Bronx would never 
> side against a Brooklyn boy, right?  

Alan........How ya' Doin'? I'm Bronx born and Bronx Bred.....
...........If I didn't escape I'd be Bronx dead!!!  

regards, Artie Wayne





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Message: 16
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:44:08 +0100
   From: Austin Powell 
Subject: Like Young

Phil Milstein wrote:

> And Andre Previn/David Rose's "Like Young" also had
> lyrics put to it, but I don't remember who wrote them or 
> sang it.

Phil: I've got a vocal of "Like Young" by Ann Henry (US Dynasty 
label 625 - UK Top Rank 292). The writers' credits are Previn/
Webster.

I've never found out anything about Dynasty Records or Ms Henry
......Anybody got any clues ?

Austin






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Message: 17
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:29:23 +0000
   From: Phil Milstein 
Subject: Re: "Fodder," You Say?

me:

> Lyrics without music make good fodder for a 7th grade English
> class.

Chris A wrote:

> Tell that to the estates of Johnny Mercer, Ira Gershwin. E.Y.
> Harburg, Dorothy Fields, and Lorenz Hart.

Masters all, but how often do we recite their lyrics? Intact, I 
mean, not as isolated couplets. (That said, I'll admit I was being 
glib with my original comment, but only for the sake of contrast.)

--Phil M.



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Message: 18
   Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:04:20 -0000
   From: Ian Chapman 
Subject: Dora Hall sings Raul Abeyta

I just got a great record by the one and only Dora Hall 
entitled "She's Comin' Back".  Raul Abeyta is credited 
as the writer (actually the label says "Paul Abeyta", 
but we know who they meant....)   

I was particularly pleased to find this, since Raul - often 
in collaboration with Gary Usher - was responsible for one or 
two of my all-time favourites e.g. Wayne Newton's "Comin' On 
Too Strong", Keith Green's "Go Go Getter" and Bobby Sherman's 
"It Hurts Me".  

Does anyone know of another version of this song, "She's/He's 
Comin' Back"?  (Both titles are listed on the BMI site)

Ian





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