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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Nitzsche in lyrics
From: Paul Woods
2. Re: Like Young
From: Mike Rashkow
3. Starr Sisters - help wanted
From: Martin Roberts
4. Words & Music
From: Bill George
5. Re: The Ronstadt law
From: Bill George
6. Re: Like Young
From: Bryan
7. Re: Mel Torme -- Cast Your Fate To The Wind
From: John Clemente
8. Earcandy for Country Paul
From: Moonie Wayne
9. Re: Foreign language re-writes
From: Frank
10. Re: St Patrick
From: Frank
11. Re: Foreign languages versions.
From: Julio Nino
12. Williams & Van Outen
From: D. Bassett
13. Re: Foreign languages versions
From: Andrew Jones
14. Re: Instrumentals with lyrics
From: Artie Wayne
15. The Blues
From: Ken Silverwood
16. Phil Spector: Out of His Head
From: Don Charles
17. Re: Jake Holmes
From: Rat Pfink
18. Re: Like Young / The Playboy Show
From: Mikey
19. Dora Hall
From: Art Longmire
20. Re: St Patrick / words & music / the cub Koda
From: Phil Milstein
21. New in musica
From: Bill George
22. The Cadillacs, Moonglows and Norman B.
From: Rob
23. Jackie DeShannon chat
From: Bill George
24. Sam Chalpin......age 65
From: Mick Patrick
25. Re: Foreign language versions
From: Billy G. Spradlin
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:41:13 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Paul Woods
Subject: Nitzsche in lyrics
Martin said, re "Please Phil Spector":
> It is silly, the vocal could have done with a lot more echo,
> but it is a lot of fun and the only song I know that mentions
> Jack 'Specs' Nitzsche in the lyrics!
How about the version of "Hot Pastrami" attributed to The Crystals,
but had Ronnie Spector singing lead? Jack gets a whole verse to
himself!
wudzi
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:10:01 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Like Young
Previously:
> And Andre Previn/David Rose's "Like Young" ...
Wasn't that used as the original theme song for the first Playboy's
Penthouse TV Show. Or am I the only one old enough to remember
that show?
Rashkovsky
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:00:28 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Starr Sisters - help wanted
Can anyone help with a label scan of The Starr Sisters' "Ready For
A Change" on United Artists?
Thanks,
Martin
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:47:13 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Words & Music
Previously:
> ...should an instrumental version of "Do You Know The Way To San
> Jose," for instance, be credited only to Bacharach?
No, they should both be credited. If the song was originally written
WITH lyrics, it necessarily shaped the music as well, so both
composer and lyricist created the whole. However, if a song is
written as an instrumental, and someone adds words later, they
should only be credited when the lyrics are used; they didn't play a
part in the creation of the original piece. Does that make sense?
-Bill
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:42:30 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: The Ronstadt law
Previously:
> "The Ronstadt Law": One can listen to L.R. and enjoy her versions
> of songs, and there's good reason to enjoy them, but ... as soon
> as you hear the originals you can never listen to the Ronstadt again.
At least one exception: "You're No Good" is better than the original
to my ears. Actually, most of the material on the "Heart Like A Wheel"
album is top-notch and mostly at least as good as the originals. Is
that blasphemy?
-bill
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:24:29 -0700
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: Like Young
Phil Milstein wrote:
> And Andre Previn/David Rose's "Like Young" also had lyrics
> put to it, but I don't remember who wrote them or sang it.
Music by André Previn
Lyrics by Paul Francis Webster
written in 1959, published by Robbins Music Corp. ASCAP
In June 1959, released on an MGM single credited to "The Piano
Magic Of ANDRE PREVIN Combined With The Lush Strings Of DAVID
ROSE". The song appears on an album by Previn/Rose called
Secret Songs for Young Lovers. The song also appeared on Perry
Como's Nov. '60 album 'Young at Heart', among many, many others.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:00:46 -0400
From: John Clemente
Subject: Re: Mel Torme -- Cast Your Fate To The Wind
Hello All,
A neat girl-group connection to Mel Torme's version of "Cast Your
Fate . . . " is that The Angels are singing backup.
Regards,
John Clemente
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:27:38 -0000
From: Moonie Wayne
Subject: Earcandy for Country Paul
The only link I can find for Peter Lacey is his record company site
which has two mp3's you scroll down to. I did hear more of Lacey's
music when David Ponak's "Liquid Room" was featured in these hallowed
pages.
http://www.dumbangel.freeserve.co.uk/peterhome.htm
A mere taster for some fine music....
best
Moonie Wayne
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:43:11 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: Foreign language re-writes
Patrick Rands:
> On a related note, anyone know anything about Vine Buggy?
> I think he may have re-written a bunch of songs for the French
> market, I see his name all over a Claude Francois album I have,
> but I don't know who he is. Always loved his name!
Vline Bugy is a prolific French song writer and sometimes producer.
A woman, not a man. She wrote dozens of songs for all the young
French singers in the the 60s and 7Os. Some of them were covers of
US and British hits. She did work a lot with Claude François.
Frank
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:45:06 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: St Patrick
Ian Slater:
> Sorry to embarrass you Mick, mate, but you deserve the praise:
> and we do rather take you for granted.
We never take him for granted, Ian, he should have a statue built
in the center of London.
Frank
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:42:11 -0000
From: Julio Nino
Subject: Re: Foreign languages versions.
Hello Everyone!!
Yesterday, Patrick wrote about versions of songs in other languages.
One song that comes to mind right now is the version of "Try Your
Luck" by Bernadette Carroll sung by Mina in Italian (titled "Ta-ra-
ta-ta"). The lyrics are completely different and surely would be
considered politically incorrect nowadays: Mina defends tobacco and
affirms that the taste of tobacco boosts the sex appeal of kisses
from men.
....and following that same line of Italian versions of American
songs, we have one from the film "Casino Royal" dubbed in Castillian
(Spanish) which one hears in the background "The Look of Love " sung
in Italian in place of the original version by Dusty.
Is there anyone who can tell me who sings this version??
Thanks in advance.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:36:27 -0000
From: D. Bassett
Subject: Williams & Van Outen
Came across a version of 'Can't take my eyes off of you' by Andy
Williams and Denise Van Outen. The song seems to predate Ms Van
Outen's recent prominence in London's West End as the 'Brit in
America' in ALW's reprise of 'Tell Me On A Sunday'. Can someone
offer an opinion as to how/why this record was made? It was a Frank
Valli hit (in the pop era) not one of Andy Williams charttoppers!.
Is there a connection between the performers? Was it from a film?
Always curious
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:05:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Jones
Subject: Re: Foreign languages versions
Patrick Rands: Here are two that I know about. Gene Pitney did a German
version of "Town Without Pity," called "Bleibe Bei Mir" (translation:
Stay By Me). The German lyrics are just straight-ahead love lyrics, and
have nothing to do with the English version. (And neither has much to do
with the movie.) It's available on the Bear Family CD "Hits and Misses."
The Beach Boys also did a German version of "In My Room" which, I'm
told, sticks closely to the English original; it was first released
around 1989 on the Capitol album "Beach Boys Rarities."
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:24:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Instrumentals with lyrics
In the early '70s, when "Good Times" was the number 1 TV program..
.......Jimmy Walker [who played J.J. on the show] used the catch
phrase "DY-NO-MITE" that soon became "THE" hip expression of the
day. My friend, Tony Camillo [who produced "Midnight Train to
Georgia", called me up from his studio in New Jersey and played me
a song he was in the process of recording....."DY-NO-MITE". It was
a good song with a great dance track........and every time the
title was sung/yelled .....the track just came to life!!!!!!
He was so excited........but I had to be honest with him. I
suggested that he drop the lead vocal entirely and raise the
background parts every time they yelled the title [like they did on
the Cliff Nobles' "The Horse" which originally was the instrumental
b-side of "The Horse" with a complete vocal]. Tony tried it........
....and I'm happy to say it worked.
regards, Artie Wayne
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:40:52 +0100
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: The Blues
Just read this month's Mojo which has an article on the Martin
Scorsese series "The Blues". It states that the series is due to
air in the UK *later this year*, and gives a web-site
http://www.pbs.org/theblues/
Ken On The West Coast
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:10:33 -0000
From: Don Charles
Subject: Phil Spector: Out of His Head
Just got the updated edition of Richard Williams' Spector biography,
and wow! They couldn't have chosen an uglier cover photo if they'd
tried. It ain't necessarily the long hair . . . Phil's turkey
wattles make his head look like the bottom half is trying to digest
the top half! With all of his money, you'd think he'd invest in a
good plastic surgeon.
Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:19:32 -0700
From: Rat Pfink
Subject: Re: Jake Holmes
Phil Chapman wrote:
> Hi Paul, I know nothing of Jake Holmes, other than an album I found
> lying around in the early 70s.
Jake Holmes also wrote "Dazed and Confused" which was stolen by Jimmy
Page. More info here: http://www.shindig-magazine.com/pdf/dazed.pdf
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:36:04 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Like Young / The Playboy Show
Re Rashlovsky on the Playboy Show:
Hey, I remember Bubby Rich and his band on the Playboy Show,
playing a groovy version of "Mercy Mercy Mercy". I remember
Buddy had a Goatee!!!
Boy, I'm OLD!! (44 in 2 weeks).
Mikey
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:16:03 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Dora Hall
Ian Chapman wrote:
> I just got a great record by the one and only Dora Hall
> entitled "She's Comin' Back". Raul Abeyta is credited
> as the writer......
Glad to hear someone else is into Dora Hall...she did record
some interesting covers. I have her version of Randy Newman's
"Did He Call Today, Mama" and it's not at all bad!
Art Longmire
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:23:57 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: St Patrick / words & music / the cub Koda
Frank wrote:
> We never take him for granted, Ian, he should have a statue
> built in the center of London.
Or, at least, Columbus Circle -- home of the Brill Building.
Bill George wrote:
> No, they should both be credited. If the song was originally
> written WITH lyrics, it necessarily shaped the music as well,
> so both composer and lyricist created the whole. However, if
> a song is written as an instrumental, and someone adds words
> later, they should only be credited when the lyrics are used;
> they didn't play a part in the creation of the original piece.
> Does that make sense?
In fact it does. Your explanation about the words helping shape
the music is a convincing one.
Rat Pfink wrote:
> Jake Holmes also wrote "Dazed and Confused" which was stolen
> by Jimmy Page. More info here:
> http://www.shindig-magazine.com/pdf/dazed.pdf
Ugly Things magazine has, in the past few issues, also been
documenting the Page-Holmes situation, its early history more
than any current legal state. If I recall correctly (a phrase
that I herewith submit as my future epitaph!), Holmes had never
heard the Led Z. version of his song until the U.T. reporter
played it for him. I haven't read the update in the new issue,
but I'm hoping it registers his response -- a kind of Juke
Box Jury of one's one song. "D & C" has become so iconic that,
in addition to an entire movie by that name, the title phrase
has now been appropriated and altered to the pun "Grazed And
Confused" for use as one of the taglines for Disney's upcoming
"Brother Bear" cartoon -- the one with the bear cub character
named Koda.
--Phil M.
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:02:11 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: New in musica
Now playing: Lisa Hartman's version of "Oh Me Oh My." Enjoy.
Bill
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:53:29 -0000
From: Rob
Subject: The Cadillacs, Moonglows and Norman B.
I've posted a 30 minute interview to our live365 site that
may be of interest to readers in this group. Norman B was,
of course, the heart and soul of FM108 in Burlington, Ontario,
Canada in the late 70s, 80s and early 90s. He interviewed
hundreds of "oldies" acts and was welcome wherever he went.
For those of you that may be unfamiliar with our show, we are
called The Gold And Great Revival, and we celebrate the
legendary years of FM108. Rockin' Robin and Burt Thombs
settle in for a couple of hours of great oldies, chat and fun
every week. The show is streamed on live365 for an entire week,
and archives are available on our site:
http://www.goldandgreatrevival.com/archive.htm
This week's offering does not include a new show from Burt and
Robin. We'll have to wait until Wednesday night for that. So,
enjoy Norm, Robin's own Cruisin' album and part 7 of The History
of Rock and Roll from Drake/Chenault (1977)
Rob
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:06:08 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Jackie DeShannon chat
For anyone interested, Jackie DeShannon will be hosting a chat
on her website (http://www.jackiedeshannon.com) this Sunday at
1pm Pacific Time. They usually only last an hour, so don't be
late. Hope to see many of you there!
Bill
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:22:29 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Sam Chalpin......age 65
Move over, Dora Hall. Step aside, Mrs Miller. Make way for
Sam Chalpin, pop singer, age 65..........
I borrowed a pile of records from m'colleague Waxie Maxie
Baumgart the other day - every Annette LP under the sun,
that kind of thing. Among the pile was an album entitled
"Sam Chalpin - My Father The Pop Singer", released on Atco
33-191 in 1966. I see that the record was engineered by one
Mike Rashkow, for whom I guess this missive might bring back
some crazy memories. Allow me to quote from the liner notes:
About a month ago Sam Chalpin walked briskly into the
offices of PPX Record Productions and asked to see the
recording chief.
"What can I do for you?" asked the recording chief kindly.
"I'm a singer. I want to make a recording," said Sam Chalpin.
"How old are you?"
"I'm 65."
"Have you ever made a record?"
"No."
"What experience have you had as a singer?"
"I've sung at lodge meetings, and I've been a cantor at the
synagogue on high holy days."
"What do you want to sing on records?"
"All the big pop hits like 'Bang Bang' and 'Satisfaction'."
"That's your metier?"
"I can sing anything, but right now I'm a pop singer."
"What made you come to see me at PPX Productions?"
"You're my son, so who else should I see?"
That's how it all started.........
I've played a track to musica, so click below to cop an earful
of the old boy slaughtering "Leader Of The Pack". And be nice
to me or I'll play another:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:28:10 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: Foreign language versions
The Hollies cut a French version of "Look Through Any Window",
to stop a flood of cover versions, but it was never released
until the 1989 "Rarities" CD.
The Searchers cut an French Language EP (thier version of
"Don't Throw Your Love Away" is amusing) for Vogue Records in
1964-5. It's been reissued on See For Miles "The Searchers EP
Collection".
My all time favorite is Chubby Checker doing "Let's Twist Again"
in German - a real hoot.
Someone at Ace or Castle should compile a CD of foreign language
hits.
Billy
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