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There are 17 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Does Anybody Really Know What "Time line" It Is?
From: Orion
2. Re: Goldie & the Gingerbreads
From: James Holvay
3. Lesley Gore's Coming Out Party
From: David Bell
4. Shake It Up Baby!
From: Chris King
5. More Jerome(s); Beatles 78
From: Country Paul
6. Re: Doo wop
From: That Alan Gordon
7. Re: Lesley Gore's Coming Out Party
From: Martin Roberts
8. Re: Lesley Gore
From: Stewart Mason
9. Re: More Jerome(s)
From: Phil Milstein
10. Re: Lesley Gore's Coming Out Party / Goldie, Carol & Ginger-bread
From: Phil Milstein
11. Lesley Gore
From: Mick Patrick
12. Re: Vince Hill / Lesley Gore / Capitol labels
From: Mike
13. Re: Beatles 78
From: Richard Havers
14. Re: Lesbian Love Songs
From: Phil Milstein
15. Jackie DeShannon on Atlantic
From: David Bell
16. Re: Lesley Gore's Coming Out Party
From: Mark
17. Re: Doo wop
From: Christian Gordon
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:04:15 -0600
From: Orion
Subject: Re: Does Anybody Really Know What "Time line" It Is?
Marty,
Fantastic stuff, thanks very much for all the information.
So it is possible that it was a make or break it for the radio
station in early '70 prior to my introduction (cute word, huh?)
into the US Army. I would love to find their version, as I
remember I really like it. That is not to say I didn't like
CTA, it is just a personal preference. I thought I might have
it from my DJ copies of 45s but no luck. Thanks again for
helping me to take a more informative walk down memory lane.
Orion
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:12:00 -0800
From: James Holvay
Subject: Re: Goldie & the Gingerbreads
Mick Patrick asked:
> I'm on another information quest. Sorry. Does anyone possess a
> copy of the LP "The Best Of The Girl Groups / The Girl Groups
> Are The Best", issued on the Pricewise (Scepter) label in 1965?
> If so, please be so kind as to tell me the songwriter and
> publisher credits for the two Goldie & the Gingerbreads tracks.
> Thanking you.
Mick: I don't have a clue. I worked opposite them in 1963 in New
York at the Times Square Hotel. That was the first self-contained
girl group that I ever saw. They were pretty damn good. Didn't
Goldie go on to be the lead singer for a horn group called Ten
Wheel Drive?
Jim
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 03:07:05 EST
From: David Bell
Subject: Lesley Gore's Coming Out Party
Didn't someone once say "It's What's In The Grooves That Counts?"
Who gives a left handed toss about Lesley's sexuality when her
music is so great?
David.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:50:09 -0000
From: Chris King
Subject: Shake It Up Baby!
Dear fellow UK-based Spectropoppers -
Just a gentle reminder that Da Doo Ron Ron - the one & only
60s girl group club - presents its regular monthly sister club
night Shake & Finger Pop!, this coming Friday 7th November @
the Sussex Arts Club, 07 Ship Street, here in Brighton, BN1.
Tel:-01273-778020. Admission is £4 if names are reserved in
advance by e-mail (or phone 01273-778020)
shake.fingerpop@ntlworld.com OR a fiver on the door on the night.
You can pay & gain admission to the sumptious SAC mainbar from
9pm onwards, the DJs start spinning in the ballroom at 11pm.
The Da Doo DJs - Chris D King & Si Bridger - aiming directly for
the dancefloor, with a musical menu consisting of 100% brogue-
burning, floor-fillers. Expect to hear an eclectic 60s playlist
featuring stacks of soul, especially Motown & northern, heaps of
beat - mainly Brit beat, The Kinks, Who, Action, Small Faces et al
- and a soupcon of ska. For further info please check out the
website:- http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dadooronron/
Oodles of thanks for your indulgence,
Chris Da Doo
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:57:06 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: More Jerome(s); Beatles 78
On Bill Jerome['s] web page, http://www.jeromepromotions.com
it's interesting how, in his bio, he doesn't mention his brother.
With apologies to Bo Diddley for appropriating his title for a
horrid pun (he's 75 years old this year, by the way), here's
more "Bringin' It To Jerome[s]":
Martin, thank you for posting "Respectable" by the Chants, which
I think even eclipses the Isleys' version. And "Kiss Me Goodbye,"
the flip of the original, is a really neat doo-wop ballad not of
the standard chord structure. I'd forgotten the record was
reissued on MGM; I have it on the original label, Tru-Eko of
Brooklyn, NY, with a hand-drawn label design! And Mick, thank you
for the photo - I'd never known anything about the group before,
especially the Pete Antell membership.
Martin:
> The only credit for John(ny) Abbott on a Jerome Brothers
> doo wop 45 that I can find is The Camelots, "Pocahontas"/
> "Searchin' For My Baby", Ember 1108, which just pre-dates
> their first recordings for Reparata.
"Pocahontas" is a superb track - a novelty that really works.
By the way, if anyone here likes acapella doo-wop, I recommend
the Camelots' "Don't Leave Me Baby"; unlike most early acapella,
where the listener really misses the band, I think they do a great
job being complete unto themselves.
The Fifth Estate CD can be found at
http://www.bostonskylinerecords.com/catalog.html , Wayne Wadhams'
label. Scroll down to BSD 116, "Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Back,"
credited to "The Fifth Estate and D-Men," featuring "28 Singles,
demos, and jingles, 36 page booklet filled with studio and on-tour
photos. A real portrait of the life of a hit pop-rock group in the
1960s. A Goldmine Oldies Rave!"
Kim:
> The Beatles - Did you know there was a Beatles release on a 78 RPM
> record? Yow! How can that be??!! Fred Shirkwater's tale of finding
> this curiosity and determining it contains never-heard-before
> outtakes IS NOT TO BE BELIEVED!!!
Have you heard it? Has anyone here? What's it like? Can it be played
to musica? Please??
There's more I'd comment on, but running behind again, so other more
learned folks have beaten me to it. But I like the direction and
topics we're into - and the Kane and Abel stories are great!
Country Paul
("One too many mornings and 1000 miles behind")
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:21:10 -0700 (MST)
From: That Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Doo wop
Country Paul, some of my all time doo wop songs:
"Once upon a time" - Rochelle and the Candles
"Everyday of the week" - the Students
"So Young" - The Schoolboys
"Whispering Bells" - Dell Vikings
"I Remember" by a group I CAN`T remember!
That alan
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:07:22 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore's Coming Out Party
Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles left me 'aghast' with his message:
> So Lesley Gore, the Teen Queen of '60s Girlpop grew up to be a gay
> woman. What effect will this revelation have on her longtime fans?
> Will they turn against her? Will her classic albums and singles
> become more or less collectible now? Thoughts, anyone?
In the UK on November 5th we celebrate Guy Fawkes' failed gunpowder
plot with fireworks and bonfires. I'm gathering my Lesley Gore 45s,
LPs and CDs, in fact my entire collection for a mass burning. I expect
to be dancing round the fire shouting, "burn baby burn!" Seriously, I
wouldn't think anyone would give a toss. It's not like she's becoming
a bishop!
On a related note, I'm back in contact with JD Doyle, a pal I knew
best in the 80s when his Girl Group collection was the envy of the
civilised world. Even today I regularly check his spreadsheet of 45s
and LPs for label #s and titles etc. Anyway he's now left the macho
world of Girl Group collecting behind and is devoting a large part of
his considerable energies to a gay radio show.
Not strictly S'pop material in the main but he has featured a number
of records and artists that fit the remit, David and Jonathan's
"Golden Wonder Boy", Debbie Burton's "What Ever Happened To Baby Jane"
and Goldie & the Gingerbreads' "Can't You Hear My Heartbeat" amongst
them.
Now I'm sure Mick knows but did you know that Carol Shaw - famed for
"Jimmy Boy" on Atco - was really Carol MacDonald, lead singer and
writer for Goldie & the Gingerbreads and later to be co-founder along
with fellow Gingerbread member Ginger Bianco of the all women rock
band, Isis? Well neither did I! But all this info and more is
available on JD's excellent site:
http://www.queermusicheritage.com/index.html
Martin
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:53:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore
1. Lesley's sexuality has been an open secret for
years if not decades.
2. It hasn't hurt Dusty Springfield's legacy any. If
anything, the revelation of Dusty's sexuality -- which
again was no secret to most who followed her career --
has cemented her status as a gay icon, and there's no
reason that it wouldn't do the same for Lesley.
3. Anybody who has a problem with it is revealing much
more about themselves than they imagine.
S
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:13:01 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: More Jerome(s)
Country Paul wrote:
> On Bill Jerome['s] web page, http://www.jeromepromotions.com
> it's interesting how, in his bio, he doesn't mention his brother.
> With apologies to Bo Diddley for appropriating his title for a
> horrid pun (he's 75 years old this year, by the way), here's
> more "Bringin' It To Jerome[s]":
Good one, Brother Paul -- this Jerome, however, is likely anything
but "green"!
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:27:50 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore's Coming Out Party / Goldie, Carol & Ginger-bread
Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles:
> So Lesley Gore, the Teen Queen of '60s Girlpop grew up to be a gay
> woman. What effect will this revelation have on her longtime fans?
> Will they turn against her? Will her classic albums and singles
> become more or less collectible now? Thoughts, anyone?
It sounds like she's already well along the road to receiving the same
treatment as becomes most other showbusiness stars who -- usually under
tabloid pressure -- "out" themselves: they get their own talk show! One
can only hope in this case, as I'll bet the lady has a lot to say.
Martin Roberts wrote:
> Now I'm sure Mick knows but did you know that Carol Shaw - famed for
> "Jimmy Boy" on Atco - was really Carol MacDonald, lead singer and
> writer for Goldie & the Gingerbreads and later to be co-founder along
> with fellow Gingerbread member Ginger Bianco of the all women rock
> band, Isis? Well neither did I!
A group history, including some terrific photos, is available on Genya
Ravan's website, at http://www.genyaravan.com/goldie.html
--Phil M.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:33:10 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Lesley Gore
So Lesley Gore is gay? Just like many of her fans, then?
Martin Roberts;
> ...I wouldn't think anyone would give a toss. It's not like
> she's becoming a bishop!
So, her sexuality might be more of an issue if she was a
member of the clergy, then?
David Bell:
> Who gives a left handed toss about Lesley's sexuality when
> her music is so great?
You will be adding ambidexterity to your CV, of course, David?
Seriously, Lesley's composition "My Secret Love" was one of
the musical highlights of the movie Grace Of My Heart, agreed?
Anyone up for a Lesbian Love Songs List? I know how you boys
like lists. I shall start the ball rolling with "Keep It
Confidential", co-written by Ellie Greenwich for her friend
Nona Hendrix.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:07:57 -0000
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Vince Hill / Lesley Gore / Capitol labels
Re Vince Hill:
He was a very popular singer on British TV, Theatres and Supper Clubs
and along with quite a number of similar singers would latch onto big
hits in the US. In many cases they had the British hit and the original
is not known Matt Monro is another Cilla Black started out this way on
records.
Re Lesley Gore:
She is remembered if at all in Britain for only one hit Its My Party
maybe You Don't Own Me and nothing else. What other hits did she have
in the US, does she have aWeb site ? So, she is probably Gay, so what
she wouldn't be unique in show business. I hope she is happy with her
life whatever the facts. I have an LP somewhere must dig it out.
Re Capitol Records and labels they own:
Angel are British recordings released in the US I have some bought in
the US and they are classical and opera records many are great records
by great artists. Melodiya was a label of the USSR released in the UK
under license and the US too. Seraphim was another label like the other
two but re-releases maybe cheaper prices.
Mike from Liverpool
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:00:21 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Beatles 78
> The Beatles - Did you know there was a Beatles release on a 78 RPM
> record? Yow! How can that be??!! Fred Shirkwater's tale of finding
> this curiosity and determining it contains never-heard-before
> outtakes IS NOT TO BE BELIEVED!!!
Country Paul;
> Have you heard it? Has anyone here? What's it like? Can it be played
> to musica? Please??
>From memory the Beatles 78 was pressed in India.
Richard
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:05:32 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Lesbian Love Songs
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Seriously, Lesley's composition "My Secret Love" was one of
> the musical highlights of the movie Grace Of My Heart, agreed?
Rendered there, I am proud to say, by my good friend Miss Lily
Banquette (aka Liz Cox), of Combustible Edison fame. I'm sure she'll
be delighted to read Mick's assessment of her collaborative work.
> Anyone up for a Lesbian Love Songs List? I know how you boys
> like lists. I shall start the ball rolling with "Keep It
> Confidential", co-written by Ellie Greenwich for her friend
> Nona Hendrix.
The line "Saddest thing in the whole wide world / Is to see your
baby with another girl," from "Sally Go Round The Roses," takes on a
Sapphic tint when sung by a male, as it's occasionally been over the
years. Was it Wilson Pickett who turned in that great soul reading I
once heard
--Phil M.
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:09:31 EST
From: David Bell
Subject: Jackie DeShannon on Atlantic
Bill George:
> That's why the recent Jackie DeShannon CD on Rhino Handmade went
> from a two-disc Complete Atlantic Sessions to the single disc
> Jackie...Plus. She didn't want her second Atlantic album released,
> which also meant there was less room for more unreleased tracks.
> Good for her, bad for us.
Interesting facts there, Dude. Where can I find out the remaining
unreleased tracks that Jackie recorded for Atlantic? I thought that
they had all been released on that one cd. The completist in me has
to know.
David.
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Read Peter's full review of this important new release here:
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Enjoy!
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:17:50 -0000
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore's Coming Out Party
> So Lesley Gore, the Teen Queen of '60s Girlpop grew up to be a gay
> woman...
Which was a secret to who? I think unless you've been dead or never
paid any attention whatsoever, this has been fairly common knowledge
for years. I mean, if anyone had any doubts (and who would), the
depiction in Grace of My Heart pretty much put it to rest.
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:57:55 -0500
From: Christian Gordon
Subject: Re: Doo wop
> Country Paul, some of my all time doo wop songs:
> "Once upon a time" - Rochelle and the Candles
> "Everyday of the week" - the Students
> "So Young" - The Schoolboys
> "Whispering Bells" - Dell Vikings
> "I Remember" by a group I CAN`T remember!
> That alan
Don't forget about DESIREE by The Charts. Hall of Fame material.
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