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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Final Jerome Brothers on musica
From: Martin Roberts
2. Re: Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?
From: MopTopMike
3. Re: "Phil's Spectre" CD / Nino Tempo
From: Orion
4. Lesley, Jeromes, Stu Phillips
From: Bob Rashkow
5. Re: Lollipops
From: Clark Besch
6. Re: Artie Wayne, That Alan Gordon, Jimmy Holvay & the power of music
From: Clark Besch
7. Re: James Holvay / Mike & Michael
From: Mick Patrick
8. Re: More Jerome
From: That Alan Gordon
9. Re: Goldie & the Gingerbreads
From: Phil Milstein
10. Re: Beverly
From: Richard Havers
11. Doo-wop
From: Richard Williams
12. Secret Loves
From: Don Charles
13. Re: Lesley's hits
From: Phil Milstein
14. Re: Doo-wop
From: That Alan Gordon
15. Sam and Ed Chalpin
From: S'pop Team
16. Bill Champlin - help
From: Alan Gordon
17. Phil's Spectre
From: monophonius
18. Chicago / Manhattan Transfer
From: Alan Gordon
19. It's My Party and I'm Gay if I want to..
From: Norman
20. Faux Shangs
From: Stefan Wriedt
21. Questions 25 or 6 to 4
From: Alan Gordon
22. Bobster's Turn to Omit! ! !
From: Bob Rashkow
23. Re: Phil's Spectre
From: Martin Roberts
24. Re: CTA / This 'n' That / Phil vs. Bo
From: Phil Milstein
25. Re: Phil's Spectre / Boys Town
From: Orion
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:54:08 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Final Jerome Brothers on musica
Hi Country Paul,
I'm extremely jealous to here that you have the Chants "Respectable"
on Tru-Eko. As they say, "location, location, location" and, of course,
mature years! You asked if the Chants on Verve are the same group. Yes
they are. Apparently, "Respectable" was issued five times; twice on
Tru-Eko 3567 & 3577, MGM 13008 (allegedly a reissue of the Tru-Eko
release), all from '61, a re-recording on U.W.R. 4243 released '62 and
the final(?) one the U.W.R. recording but shortened by fading the end,
credited to Jimmy Soul & The Chants, 20th Century 413 '63. I dare say
this was released to cash-in on Jimmy's success with, "If You Wanna Be
Happy".
About the same time period the 'rip-off' label, Spin O Rama, released
an LP, "Jimmy Soul and The Belmonts" with three 'Chants' tracks plus
two by The Belmonts from Mohawk and five make-weights by Charlie
Francis.
So if Jimmy AND Peter Antell were in the group at the same time, a real
vocal super group! And I can't wait for John Clemente's interview to
appear! I've played one more (and I promise it will be my last for
awhile) Jerome Bros. production to musica: The Cupids "Pretty Baby", an
original Times Square Records release.
Martin
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:49:16 -0000
From: MopTopMike
Subject: Re: Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?
I don't think the version by Chicago got any real ACB/Top 40 airplay
until it was issued by popular demand on a 45 in late 1970. The
Copper and Brass 45 from Louisville, KY came out in the summer of
1970. But Tension, a white R&B horn outfit from New Haven, CT had
one of the first releases of that tune as a "pre Chicago released 45"
cover...It was released on the Poison Ring label in late January 1970.
MopTopMike
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:59:33 -0600
From: Orion
Subject: Re: "Phil's Spectre" CD / Nino Tempo
> New At S'pop Recommends: "Phil's Spectre" CD (Ace)
>
> . . . Clydie King's 'Missin' My Baby', Hale and the Hushabyes'
> 'Yes Sir, That's My Baby', Nino Tempo's 'Boys Town' and Carol
> Connors' 'My Baby Looks, But He Don't Touch'? All in pristine
> sound on one friendly-priced disc? Pinch me . . .
> (David A. Young)
>
> To read David's full review, visit the S'pop Recommends section:
> http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2003.htm#PhilsSpectre
I have tried to find a good copy of Nino Tempo's Boys Town for a
long time. It is IMHO one of his better pieces.
Orion
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S'pop Reminder:
Bagpipes, Boys Town And Other Deep Purple Productions
The Nino Tempo Interview
by Bill Reed
An exclusive interview with the one and only Nino Tempo is the
latest installation at S'pop. Originally a child actor, and a
jazz saxophonist at heart, Tempo and his sister April Stevens
scooped a Grammy in 1963 for their unique interpretation of
"Deep Purple". Having played on a slew of Phil Spector-produced
classics as a member of the legendary Wrecking Crew, he went on
to record some of the most talked about "Wall Of Sound" epics
ever committed to magnetic tape.
http://www.spectropop.com/NinoTempo/index.htm
Enjoy!
The S'pop Team
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:03:17 EST
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Lesley, Jeromes, Stu Phillips
Mike from Liverpool asked about Lesley Gore's hits other than You
Don't Own Me and It's My Party--she also hit real big here in the
US with She's A Fool in 1963. Those 3 are her biggest smashes.
California Nights in '67 was a kind of comeback record that dented
the top 10, and, of course, she charted, among others, with Maybe
I Know (my personal fave!), Summer and Sandy, That's The Way Boys
Are, and a tune I've never even heard called "Look of Love", not to
be confused with the Bacharach-David tune from CASINO ROYALE, which
incidentally, Dusty, Lesley's "sister", recorded!
May have missed a posting BTW, my Yahoo connection was disconnected
for a few days, oh WELL. Steve and Bill Jerome are among my favorite
6Ts producers and I better hurry and get that Fifth Estate CD.
Didn't know there was another Stu Phillips--a country singer on RCA.
This is a different person, isn't it?! Stu of Colpix fame etc. ("Stu
Who?") recorded a solo on Capitol if i'm not mistaken, the one Nancy
Sinatra told him was one of her very favorite LPs. Can anybody
recommend this one.
Finally thought I'd mention a few of my most recent acquisitions from
the one and only Beverly Records:
"Ah Ha Yeah" (Sugar 'N' Spice, Kapp, 1966)
"Can I Carry Your Balloon" (Swampseeds, Epic, 1968)
"Blue-Green Eyes" (Sundowners, Decca, 1969?)
"Miss Julie's Private School/Circles Within A Square" (The Tapestry,
Compass, 1968)
"Don't Fool Yourself" (John Summers, Congress, 1965 or '66)
"Back on the Street Again" (Sunshine Co. 1967, Imperial).
Tapestry on first hearing is terrific, lead singer has a Micky Dolenz
kind of feel, music is great psych-rock. Sundowners are totally boss,
never heard them before either. And--hadn't heard the Swampseeds
(Midwestern group that got some airplay in Chicago) or the Sunshine Co.
records in 35 years! What a TREAT!
Bobster
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:26:23 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Lollipops
JJ and all the others,
I have a radio show promoting the Lollipops' "Freight Train to
Boston" I can play to Musica when space is freed up if you want to
hear it. I think for this they added Bob Wills and His Texas
Cowboys! The song's OK, but they don't quite have the Kennedy Boston
accent that the Hardly Worthit Players do, y'know? It's funny to
hear them say "Boston". The lyrics say he only knew one girl from
Boston. Hmm, so he must not have known her long. :)
Take care, Clark
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:28:46 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Artie Wayne, That Alan Gordon, Jimmy Holvay & the power of music
Artie, Alan and James H (WELCOME ABOARD!), I agree with all that
Artie and Alan said in these 2 posts! Music not only has a universal
healing effect, but it gives you memories of how and when and where
you were when a song that influenced your life occurred. It
brightens the day and night, even if the song is sad or happy. It
helps me always!
In my faves sits "Midnight Mary", "Kind of A Drag", "Girls in Love",
"Put the Clock Back on the Wall", "Hey Baby, They're Playing Our Song",
"You Know What I Mean" and others by you guys. A couple of those run
under 2 minutes, but what great music can be made in under 2 minutes!!
Mike Smith sure knows this and we all thank him and hope he gets better
soon!
I used to think all I wanted was to listen to my music, but my
good friend and fellow Spectropopper Doug Richard, whom I shared the
airwaves with 2 decades ago enlightened me into not only all the
people out there who liked this 60's music, but also into the
artists' stories themselves. I owe to him so much. Now, I get the
chance to have some input into Cd releases and it is great! I
remember sending a tape of some unreleased stuff of the E-Types to
Bob Irwin and soon enough, Alan Gordon's "Put the Clock Back on the
Wall" was out on Cd on Sundazed! I might have never heard the song
had it not been for Doug doing the radio show with me! The sharing
of music is timeless and that makes Spectropop so cool! Artists,
producers, and fans sharing memories and music!
I was making a Cdr of the original withdrwan Heart "Magazine" LP
for a friend and decided to fill it up with just some fave female
obscurities. I wished I could play them Musica for everyone to
comment on. I don't know who many of the artists are, but I sure
like the music. Examples: The Status Cymbal's 1968 45 "In the
Morning" which I heard played on WKYC or WBZ back then. "Happy New
Year" by Beverly! Wow, what a record--and written by Rany Newman,
released early 1967. It's like Cat Stevens' Spectorish productions
with a female lead. I think I remember Beverly being the voice heard
in the middle break of Simon & Garfunkel's "Fakin' It". Sergio
Mendes & Brasil 66' "Masquerade". What a great obscurity! "Little
Wheel Spin & Spin" by Chakra. If you ever heard this, you'd swear
Heart's "Wilson sisters" played this song to death when it came out
in 1970. I know KEYN in Wichita Kansas did. And talk about female
Spector sound production adding in a little psychedelia, how bout
the "Chantelles (of London)" doing "Out of my Mind"? All of these
are very different sounding, but all great obscurities that people
should hear. I don't do my radio show anymore, so anyone who wants
to hear these, gimme room and they're on!
Bottom line is, I agree with music being something that will
always inspire us!
Take care, Clark. (The soapbox is now available.)
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 08:29:09 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: James Holvay / Mike & Michael
I'm sure I speak for many members when I wish a very warm S'pop
welcome to James Holvay, songwriter, producer and member of the
Mob.
Thanks for yet another great Kane & Abel story, James. Can I
ask you to share some memories of another favourite record of
mine: "My Neighborhood" by Mike & Michael, released on
Constellation 156, in 1965.
It's another excellent Righteous Brothers-style disc co-
written and co-produced by yourself. Tell me, which came first,
Kane & Abel or Mike & Michael? And who were Mike & Michael? I
believe this record exists on another label too. Correct?
For those who haven't heard this tasty piece of Windy City
blue-eyed soul, it is currently playing at musica:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:36:57 -0700 (MST)
From: That Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: More Jerome
Phil M. and Country Paul both share my curiosity regarding
the disappearance of Bill Jerome. I sent an email to Steve
asking the BIG question "What happened to Bill?" Thus far
I've gotten, as the Beatles would say, "No Reply".
Best,
That Alan
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:29:43 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Goldie & the Gingerbreads
Mick Patrick asked:
> I'm on another information quest. Sorry. Does anyone possess a
> copy of the LP "The Best Of The Girl Groups / The Girl Groups
> Are The Best", issued on the Pricewise (Scepter) label in 1965?
> If so, please be so kind as to tell me the songwriter and
> publisher credits for the two Goldie & the Gingerbreads tracks.
John Grecco, not on Spectropop, but more than friendly to our
mission, has that LP, and reports:
"Take My Hand" Goldie & The Gingerbreads
Writers: B. Lance, F. Robbins
Publisher: Zann Music
"V.I.P." Goldie & The Gingerbreads
Writers: B. Lance, F. Robbins
Publisher: Zann Music
The tracks are the last two songs on side B
The title of the Lp is "The Best Of The Girl Groups"
The release # is: Pricewise P4004
Released: 1965
James Holvay wrote:
> Mick: I don't have a clue. I worked opposite them in 1963 in New
> York at the Times Square Hotel. That was the first self-contained
> girl group that I ever saw. They were pretty damn good. Didn't
> Goldie go on to be the lead singer for a horn group called Ten
> Wheel Drive?
Yes indeed, under the (real?) name of Genya Ravan. Ten Wheel Drive's
first album received a lot of airplay on Allison Steele's show on
WNEW-FM (NYC), which brings me to an anecdote I should be more
embarrassed to share than I am. In 1970, at the tender age of 13, I
attended my first-ever rock concert. It was Ten Years After, still hot
on the heels of their Woodstock success. The moment the Madison Square
Garden lights went down the entire 13,000-seat auditorium immediately
began to reek of a sweetish odor I had never experienced before (but
certainly would again), but that is another story for another day.
More to the point, Alvin Lee & Co. took the stage and started in with
their bombastic English-white-boy blooze-on-speed routine. I patiently
sat through the first two numbers, figuring this to be a sort of
mini-set designed to let the band loosen up before introducing the star
and getting the show proper underway. But when they continued apace, I
could no longer hold my tongue. Turning to my friend, more knowledgeable
in such matters than I, I asked, "Where the hell is the chick singer?"
"What chick singer?," he replied. "Doesn't Ten Wheel Drive have a chick
singer?" "We're not seeing Ten Wheel Drive, you idiot, we're seeing Ten
Years After!" My very first concert, and I had gone to see the wrong
band entirely. I wish I could report it was my last such elementary
mistake, but in fact there were more to come.
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:23:30 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Beverly
Clark Besch wrote:
> "Happy New Year" by Beverly! Wow, what a record--and written
> by Rany Newman, released early 1967. It's like Cat Stevens'
> Spectorish productions with a female lead. I think I remember
> Beverly being the voice heard in the middle break of Simon &
> Garfunkel's "Fakin' It".
The Beverly in the middle of 'Fakin It' is Beverly Martyn, the
wife of English singer John Martyn. "Good morning Mr Leitch have
you had a busy day?" Leitch is Donovan's surname. I guess Paul
must have met and got to know Beverly and John when he was living
in England and doing the folk club circuit.
Great, and interesting, post btw
Richard
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:50:30 +0000
From: Richard Williams
Subject: Doo-wop
> Country Paul, some of my all time doo wop songs:
> "Once upon a time" - Rochelle and the Candles
> "Everyday of the week" - the Students
> "So Young" - The Schoolboys
> "Whispering Bells" - Dell Vikings
> "I Remember" by a group I CAN`T remember!
> That alan
Could be it "I Remember" by Maurice Williams and the Zodiacs --
one of the follow-ups to "Stay"? (I can't remember whether it
came before or after "Come Along".)
Richard Williams
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:43:22 +0000
From: Don Charles
Subject: Secret Loves
> Seriously, Lesley's composition "My Secret Love" was one of
> the musical highlights of the movie Grace Of My Heart, agreed?
Agreed. And remember, Miss Lesley also recorded a wonderful,
exuberant version of the original "Secret Love" in the '60s,
which for some reason wasn't released. You can find it on
the still-in-print IT'S MY PARTY box set from Bear Family.
Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:42:31 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Lesley's hits
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> Mike from Liverpool asked about Lesley Gore's hits other than You
> Don't Own Me and It's My Party--she also hit real big here in the
> US with She's A Fool in 1963. Those 3 are her biggest smashes.
> California Nights in '67 was a kind of comeback record that dented
> the top 10, and, of course, she charted, among others, with Maybe
> I Know (my personal fave!), Summer and Sandy, That's The Way Boys
> Are, and a tune I've never even heard called "Look of Love", not to
> be confused with the Bacharach-David tune from CASINO ROYALE, which
> incidentally, Dusty, Lesley's "sister", recorded!
Wasn't "Judy's Turn To Cry" also a pretty big hit?
--Phil M.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:05:05 -0700 (MST)
From: That Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Doo-wop
Richard, I did a little research and found out the song "I Remember"
that I like was done by the 5 Discs.
Best, that alan
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:52:19 -0000
From: S'pop Team
Subject: Sam and Ed Chalpin
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Move over, Dora Hall. Step aside, Mrs Miller. Make way for
> Sam Chalpin, pop singer, age 65.......... I borrowed a pile
> of records from m'colleague Waxie Maxie Baumgart the other
> day - every Annette LP under the sun, that kind of thing.
> Among the pile was an album entitled "Sam Chalpin - My
> Father The Pop Singer", released on Atco 33-191 in 1966.
> I see that the record was engineered by one Mike Rashkow,
> for whom I guess this missive might bring back some crazy
> memories...
Mike Rashkow replied:
> If I tell this story, no one will believe it. I will do it.
> Give me a couple of days. I will tell you about Ed Chalpin.
> Dirtbag.
True to his word, Rashkovsky has submitted to S'pop an epistle
relating to his work on the Sam Chalpin LP - all 4000 words of
it! Too lengthy to print here, the article is currently in the
hands of the S'pop Project Dept who are preparing it for
publication on the main site in the near future. But first,
we must run it past our legal advisers!
Watch this space.
The S'pop Team
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:12:43 -0800
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: Bill Champlin - help
I was wondering if anyone in here had, either the lyrics, or preferably
an mp3 of an old song by Bill Champlin called "You" (?)
It was on an early album of Bill's shortly after The Sons folded.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
peace,
~albabe
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:24:44 -0000
From: monophonius
Subject: Phil's Spectre
S'pop Team:
> ....Clydie King's 'Missin' My Baby', Hale and the Hushabyes'
> 'Yes Sir, That's My Baby', Nino Tempo's 'Boys Town' and Carol
> Connors' 'My Baby Looks, But He Don't Touch'? All in pristine
> sound on one friendly-priced disc? Pinch me....(David A. Young)
> To read David's full review, visit the S'pop Recommends section:
> http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2003.htm#PhilsSpectre
I believe the Spector Influence is in the grooves of every pop record
recorded subsequent to Phil's big year of 1963! Is my thesis a bit
exaggerated? Maybe, but let's think about it.
Since 1963, producers and recording artists have been incorporating
Spector touches knowingly or otherwise--unless they've been living on
Mars! Let's face it, the Great Man's Shadow hangs over all recording
studio efforts to this day. Even if an artist doesn't want to sound
anything like a Phil Spector record or use any of its techniques,
that in itself is an influence--consciously trying not to sound like
Phil Spector! Original ideas are always hard to come by in this
world. When there's all this Spector stuff in the collective
conscience it's hard not to try to use it and adapt it and mold it
into something new. But, to any experienced listener, Spector's
ideas, even when altered, can still be heard. It's like Jay Leno or
David Letterman doing the Tonight show format and trying not to be
influenced by the legacy of Johnny Carson.
Many participants of this Board have been involved with recording
sessions: producers, arrangers, engineers, musicians, et al. How
many of you can honestly say you began recording music with no
thought of Phil Spector? No thought of his great success, his style,
the instrumentation, his way of layering sounds and building
momentum, the hooks, the overall feeling and texture? After you had
the basic tracks on tape, didn't you want to add a little something?
Maybe a little more echo or a little less echo? Do it right, Phil is
watching and listening.
The track list for the Phil's Spectre CD is a knockout. Here's a
list of twenty-five other tracks that could fill another CD. Many of
these were big hits, too. Everyone of them exhibit some phase of the
Spector approach.
All I Really Want To Do--CHER
Born To Run--BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN
Dance (While The Music Still Goes On)--ABBA
Dead Man's Curve--JAN & DEAN
Dreaming--BLONDIE
Eyes Of a New York Woman--B.J. THOMAS
Girls In Love--GARY LEWIS & THE PLAYBOYS
My Good Friend--PARIS SISTERS
I Could Be So Good For You--DON & THE GOODTIMES
The Boxer--SIMON & GARFUNKLE
It's The Little Things--SONNY & CHER
Make Me Your Baby--BARBARA LEWIS
One Fine Day--CHIFFONS
Photograph--RINGO STARR
Rag Doll--FOUR SEASONS
See My Baby Jive--WIZZARD
I Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day--WIZZARD
She Is Still A Mystery--LOVIN' SPOONFUL
Sloop John B--BEACH BOYS
Stay Awhile--DUSTY SPRINGFIELD
Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore--WALKER BROTHERS
What Now My Love--MITCH RYDER
World Of Dreams--CAKE
You Can Have Him--CAKE
You Really Know How To Hurt A Guy--JAN & DEAN
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:02:45 -0800
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: Chicago / Manhattan Transfer
Phil Milstein wrote:
> ...who can be heard applauding on the Chicago 4-LP "Live At
> Carnegie Hall"'
Hey Phil. I'm a big fan of those early Chicago albums. The new
remastered versions are pretty darn cool too. Not a lot of added
material, but good sound and nice packages. My question is: Did
I miss the above mentioned "Live At Carnegie Hall" reissue, or did
it not come out?
I love that album. Robert Lamm may not be a jazz piano monster,
but I always liked what he did as a semi-jazz piano solo intro to
"Does Anybody Really Know..." (At least I think that what the song
he did the solo intro to). He certainly inspired me to advance
beyond piano chord-voicing like "Gonna Wait Until The Morning Comes"
by Neil.
From: Michael Edwards
Subject: Manhattan Transfer on musica
> It was certainly the best thing that the Manhattan Transfer did and
> it is now playing on musica.
One of the things I think this group "stands for," is the appreciation
of, and "standing-up," for things an individual person may appreciate
that aren't necessarily appreciated by others. (Does that make sense,
or have I had too much coffee?)
Sometimes a person, or critic will write or say that a group like the
Manhattan Transfer are of no musical significance to anyone... and
other people will believe it without listening to said group, or
person themselves. It seems to me that the masses prefer predigested
information, rather than having to go out and make themselves a nice
meal.
So... before it becomes universally acknowledged that the Transfer
were a bunch of hacks, I felt I sorta needed to say how much I like
the Manhattan Transfer. They were doing older jazz standards on light
jazz FM stations, and on network TV before that style of remaking
classics became hip and groovy. I loved their TV show. It was a
great mixture of, and appreciation for, musical times-gone-by. And
more than that, it introduced me to musical greats of yesteryear that
I certainly would never have heard on the Clear Channel conglomerate
owned stations. I have them to thank for introducing me to a
superabundance of musical sounds that inspire me even now.
Personally, I like to cook.
...and certainly no offense to Mike.
The musical noodle formally known as the boisterous loud-mouth for the
"little guy,"
~albabe
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:36:01 +1030
From: Norman
Subject: It's My Party and I'm Gay if I want to..
Hi Spectropoppers,
I have always admired Joan Baez for not changing the gender of songs when
she covers them.
regards,
Norman
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:59:35 -0000
From: Stefan Wriedt
Subject: Faux Shangs
Just in case nobody has mentioned these before as fine Shangri-
Las sound-a-likes, I'd like to add:
Nightmare - Lori Burton - from Mercury LP SR-61136
Don't Drag No More - Susan Lynne - Capitol 5201 - 1964
If there's interest, I will pay these to musica
Best, Steve
Moderator's note:
"Nightmare" is available on "Growin' Up Too Fast" - a superlative
2-CD girl-group compilation on Mercury 314 528 171-2, annotated by
our own Stuffed Animal. Lori is billed as the Whyte Boots, under
which group name the track was issued as a 45.
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:30:31 -0800
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: Questions 25 or 6 to 4
Dan Hughes wrote:
> ..."25 or 6 to 4" . . . "Does Anybody Really Know What
> Time It Is?". Anybody know?
I don't think those two songs were related, but... I remember
Robert Lamm saying something in an interview somewhere, about
him asking someone what time it was while he was writing the
tune, and that "25 or 6 to 4" was the response he heard... and
he figured it would make a good title for a song. The memory
is pretty dim though.
And while we're at it... what about questions 1 through 66?
~albabe
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:18:39 EST
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Bobster's Turn to Omit! ! !
I knew I forgot one song of Lesley Gore's that was a big hit -
"Judy's Turn To Cry" (thanks, Phil M!) made it to Number 5 on
Billboard, late summer, 1963 - the danceable record in which
Ms. G reassures us all that things are definitely looking better
since her birthday crying jag.
Phil's Spectre has lots of wonderful records on it indeed!
A while back I posted about the Arlen label in L.A. that the
Dartells originally recorded on, that got bought by Dot, but now
that I have the Tams' wonderful "Untie Me" (G+ copy, the only one
Beverly Records had) I realize that there was another Arlen label
out of Philadelphia! I assume these weren't connected in any way,
shape, or form?
Bobster
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 23:14:02 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: Phil's Spectre
Good to see the latest S'pop recommends on "Phil's Spectre"
by David Young and "Jackie" by Peter Lerner, but for now at
least my attention is still gripped by the former.
David's writing summed up the very favourable reviews on the
site, the messages have all seemed positive including the most
recent from Alfie and Monophonius - who pleased me by including
three confirmed Nitzsche arrangements and possibly five if you
count the Cake tracks on his 'fantasy' collection compared with
the four on "Phil's Spectre". But the 'review' that has brought
the biggest smile is from...
Orion, who noted:
> I have tried to find a good copy of Nino Tempo's "Boys Town"
> for a long time. It is IMHO one of his better pieces
How delicately understated, are you perchance an Englishman?!
I'd have described the track as the dogs b******s! Great to see
the scan of the original, 'Daddy Sam Records' label in the CD
booklet rather than the 'common' Tower re-release.
Martin
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:05:46 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: CTA / This 'n' That / Phil vs. Bo
Alan Gordon wrote:
> Hey Phil. I'm a big fan of those early Chicago albums. The
> new remastered versions are pretty darn cool too. Not a lot
> of added material, but good sound and nice packages. My
> question is: Did I miss the above mentioned "Live At Carnegie
> Hall" reissue, or did it not come out?
I'm afraid I don't know. I remember signing on to a mailing list
at the door to Carnegie Hall that night, but after a few address
changes, I imagine their postcard announcing the CD release never
quite reached me.
Hardy-har, just kidding. What I genuinely do remember, though,
is trading my Chicago/Carnegie boxed set straight-up for a copy
of Blondie's first album the day that one came out.
While I've got you here, Alan, I hope you and THAT Alan Gordon will
not object to a friendly suggestion, which, if adopted, will help
us all distinguish the two of you at a glance and without having to
remember which one is THIS and which one THAT. Plus, it's a simple
one: would you mind signing your posts to S'pop with your respective
middle initials included in your names? (That is, presuming your
M.I.'s is where your names start to separate from each other's!)
monophonius wrote:
> I believe the Spector Influence is in the grooves of every pop
> record recorded subsequent to Phil's big year of 1963! Is my
> thesis a bit exaggerated? Maybe, but let's think about it.
A valid point, and one that reminds me a bit of my own theory of
rock 'n' roll evolution, which reads:
"Everything prior to Bo Diddley was leading up to him; everything
since Bo Diddley has been in response to him."
I believe so deeply in this formulation that one could sit across a
table from me and dispute it from now until kingdom come, and I'd just
sit quietly, listen patiently, and when done reply simply, "You're
wrong." Not to take anything away from Phil Spector or anyone else,
but in my world, Bo rules the heavens and the earth.
--Phil M.
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:42:00 -0600
From: Orion
Subject: Re: Phil's Spectre / Boys Town
I wrote:
> I have tried to find a good copy of Nino Tempo's "Boys Town"
> for a long time. It is IMHO one of his better pieces.
Martin Replied:
> How delicately understated, are you perchance an Englishman?!
> I'd have described the track as the dogs b******s! Great to see
> the scan of the original, 'Daddy Sam Records' label in the CD
> booklet rather than the 'common' Tower re-release.
I am from Nebraska, home of Boys Town. Of course, this is just where I
live for now. I have lived most of my life in Missouri. Peace and if
you have a good copy of "Boys Town", send it my way. :)
Orion
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