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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Garry Bonner's Me About You @ Musica
From: Patrick Beckers
2. Re: Is that THE Austin Roberts?
From: Mike Rashkow
3. Re: Casey Kasem
From: Alan Haber
4. Re: Worst Rhyme In A Song?
From: Rob Stride
5. Re: Casey Kasem
From: Rob Stride
6. Re: Worst Rhyme In A Song?
From: Paul Bryant
7. Re: Solomon Burke / Tom Wilson
From: Art Longmire
8. Re: Worst Rhyme In A Song?
From: Michael
9. Re....Rainy Day discog additions...
From: Marty
10. Re: Coke ads and gay songs.
From: Julio Niņo
11. Re: The Duprees' Around The Corner
From: superoldies
12. Re: Casey Kasem
From: JB
13. Re: Crooners
From: Paul Bryant
14. Re; Zager & Evans
From: Doug
15. Re: Coke ads @ Musica
From: Mike Rashkow
16. Austin Roberts
From: Orion
17. Re: Best line in a song
From: Dan Hughes
18. Dawn Eden
From: Mikey
19. Re: Jim Doval & The Gauchos
From: James Holvay
20. Re: Best line in a song
From: Chris
21. Re: Peak postion vs staying power
From: Dan Hughes
22. Re: Is that THE Austin Roberts?
From: Austin Roberts
23. Re: Snuff Garrett
From: James Holvay
24. Re: Worst Rhyme In A Song?
From: Simon White
25. Re: Viva
From: Jules Normington
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:52:40 +0100
From: Patrick Beckers
Subject: Garry Bonner's Me About You @ Musica
As requested a few days ago, I have just uploaded Garry Bonner's
version of Me About You from 1968 to the Musica section. Sorry it
took a while to upload the file, but there wasn't any space
available in the past couple of days.
Enjoy!
Patrick Beckers
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:53:16 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Is that THE Austin Roberts?
Mark:
> Wow, if that is really the great Austin Roberts, it's good to have
> you on board. IMO you rank right up there with Ron Dante and Tony
> Burrows as the greatest bubblegum artists of all-time.
Wait till you see the songs he's written--start with I Owe You.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:44:23 -0500
From: Alan Haber
Subject: Re: Casey Kasem
I was just listening this morning to "The Letter U and the Numeral
2" by Negativland, which hilariously documents Casey Kasem's
ignorance, ill temper and condescension to his audience.
Well, it takes a lot to get me to post (this might be the second or
third time ever), but this isn't the Casey Kasem I know. I interviewed
him a few years ago (and subsequently met him a few times) for a major
radio industry trade paper profile, and found him to be one of the most
sincere, nicest people in the biz. Admittedly, his focus has always
been pretty narrow, but I don't think there is a condescending bone in
his body. He's the real deal. I've done a lot of radio celeb interviews
in my time (met just about all of my airwave heroes, and then some),
and Casey definitely ranks right up there near the top. He went way out
of his way to get me photos that hadn't been run in previous profiles,
always happily took my phone calls for followup questions, and even
wrote a letter to my editor and publisher saying that he was putting a
copy of the article in his scrapbook. A photo with him (my height vs.
his lack-thereof) proudly hangs on my wall.
I agree with Mr. Wirtz: Casey's the man!
Alan
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:36:11 -0000
From: Rob Stride
Subject: Re: Worst Rhyme In A Song?
There was one from years back and I am paraphrasing T.Rex:
"You remind me of the Moon , and I liken you too a spoon".
If anyone knows the exact line will you tell me as I need
cheering up.
Rob Stride
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:20:43 -0000
From: Rob Stride
Subject: Re: Casey Kasem
As a Brit I've only seen Casey once or twice. But his died black
hair and woolly jumpers puzzled me as he was some sort of Pop Guru.
He looked like a great uncle on Speed.
Rob Stride
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:04:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Worst Rhyme In A Song?
> Watson Macblue on bad rhymes.
Funniest thing I read in a long time - thanks for that! Even if
I do actually like Joni's first few albums...
But into the ring against Joni's jewells and schew-wells comes a
big man. This guy coulda bin a contender. Here he is, in the red
corner, Hurricane Carter - drum roll, cymbals ker-rash! Courtesy
of Bob Dylan of course. This is from Bob's marvellous ballad called
"Hurricane" which I love (was any ballad ever sung as fast as this
one?) but contains the worst rhyme in rock. The police are here
corrupting a witness:
"You'll be doin' society a favor.
That sonofabitch is brave and gettin' braver.
We want to put his ass in stir
We want to pin this triple mur
Der on him
He ain't no Gentleman Jim!"
C'mon guys, top that!
pb
ps - Philological aside: you & me vs you & I - many Americans now
write "I really like her alot" or "I bought alot of them today".
Until recently I tirelessly pointed out that alot was really two
words, the indefinate article plus the noun "lot". Then I gave up.
Language is a constant flux. You got to go with the flow. The
definition of words is what most people think they mean, even if
most people are wrong. But in language, most people CAN'T be wrong.
For another example see how the meaning of the word "decimate" has
changed completely over time, or the word "nice". Or "gay" for that
matter!
pb
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:33:52 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: Solomon Burke / Tom Wilson
Art Longmire wrote:
> Speaking of masochism, I was doing some research on singer Clydie
> King and came across this label scan:
> http://www.geocities.jp/hideki_wtnb/2801a.jpg
Phil Milstein:
> On UK Records. Wasn't that the label owned by Jonathan King?
Yeah, Phil, that's Jonathan King's UK records. The only record I ever
had on UK was "Rubber Bullets" by 10CC-an excellent, clever and
twisted tune, although I wasn't a big fan of 10CC's later stuff.
By the way, you mentioned the Solomon Burke interview on 60 Minutes
in an earlier post-I caught that as well, it was very intriguing to
see this great artist on national television in primetime. He gave a
very articulate and sober assesment of his career with all its ups
and downs (and rip-offs by the music industry in his early years). It
was also good hearing from Jerry Wexler.
Speaking of Tom Wilson, for some reason it's kind of hard for me to
imagine him working with Connie Francis after working with such
cutting-edge acts as John Coltrane, Sun Ra, Bob Dylan, the Velvet
Undergound and the Mothers of Invention.
Art
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:37:42 -0000
From: Michael
Subject: Re: Worst Rhyme In A Song?
My candidate for worst rhyme in a song comes from a tune by The
Searchers, "Sho' Know A Lot About Love."
Now, I know there are only a few words in the language that rhyme
with the word "love." There's Of, Above, Dove, Glove, Shove.
And if you don't want to use one of those, you can get away with
some almost-rhymes like Tough, Rough, Stuff, Enough, Bluff, Puff,
etc.
But this Searchers song uses, for a rhyme, something that just does
not work no matter how hard you stretch the imagination, and it's
completely groan-inducing!
"Don't know much about baseball
Don't know much about GOLF!!!
I know a lot about one thing
Sho'know a lot about love."
GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!! Not that it did any serious damage to what is a
pretty lame song in the first place.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:17:20 -0000
From: Marty
Subject: Re....Rainy Day discog additions...
> I think 45-8001 was The Flying Machine, James Taylor's pre-Apple
> group, and I believe the A-side was "Rainy Day Man."
I have the Rainy Day #45-8001 by The Flying Machine. Here's the info
per my copy: NIGHT OWL / BRIGHTEN YOUR NIGHT WITH MY DAY (Stock copy
with "Night Owl" shown as the "a" side) Both sides written by James
Taylor - A side arr by Trade Martin & Al Gorgoni - Prod. by Chip
Taylor & Gorgoni. B side arr. by Gorgoni - Prod by Taylor & Gorgoni.
Thenyouwillknowandmoreagain...Marty
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:07:58 -0000
From: Julio Niņo
Subject: Re: Coke ads and gay songs.
Hi Everybody,
Although it´s been said many times, many ways (I must be posessed by
Christmas Spirit) ... I have also liked very much the Coke ads played
in Musica by Mike Rashkow. They produced that sensation of proximity
that's typical of some demos, which I love. I just wanted to thank
Mike for playing then in musica.
On the other hand Austin Roberts asked:
> OK. I missed the question on the Gay Songs thread, but I was part
> of the answer. So fill me in on the original question.
I think everything began with a post about Lesley Gore, that initiated
a chain reaction about first, lesbian songs, and then songs with gay
connotations.
Julio Niņo
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:24:10 -0000
From: superoldies
Subject: Re: The Duprees' Around The Corner
The Duprees tune is not on legit CD, nor any boot that I've seen - I
had a hard time finding a good copy on eBay - but did, restored it &
it is on our station rotation @ http://www.superoldies.com
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:57:14 EST
From: JB
Subject: Re: Casey Kasem
The part about Casey Kasem and his ilk that most amazes me is
their longevity. I grew up in the LA area and well remember hearing
Casey on KRLA back in the early '60s, along with Bob Eubanks, B
Mitchel Reed and other iconic DJs. BMR is long departed from this
particular universe's time and space, but Eubanks is still hawking
the goods on TV, as is Dick Clark and a few others who hark back
even into the '50s. Clearly they led better lifestyles than most of
the musicians they featured on their shows, or at least they found
some elixir that has sustained their careers (and their faces!) Not
to say any of them were particularly "nice guys", but at least they
help us keep on keeping on as time ticks by.
JB
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:33:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Crooners
Country Paul;
> Am I right that (Frankie) Vaughan was a major UK artist? Was
> (Monty) Babson?
Frankie was major up to 1963 then the Beatles did him in & not
before time. He was kind of Britain's version of Dean Martin. I
never heard of Monty Babson!
> So what constitutes a contemporary "crooner"?
Exactly - there ain't any. But in the British charts there was a
steady stream of often ghastly "old-fashioned" ballads which
clogged up the charts up to the early 70s (no doubt helping to keep
the Association out of the top 20). I shan't bore you with a list of
dreadful records, but Englebert Humperdinck is probably the chief
malefactor.
Not all crooning was bad - Tom Jones was pretty good in fact. And
classic 50s crooning can be wonderful - can't beat Perry Como -
"the day that we cheered whenever our team was scoring a touchdown
the night that the floor fell out of my car when I put the clutch
down"
or when Dino himself breaks into Italian during "Volare" - can't beat
that kind of crooning.
pb
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:47:07 -0000
From: Doug
Subject: Re; Zager & Evans
> I think of Zager & Evans as the poor man's Simon & Garfunkel.
> I must agree... The rest of you - please don't hate me.
Funny you should mention S&G, since there are a few good quotes that
mention them in relation to Z&E:
When Robert Christgau reviewed their album, he wrote "Zager & Evans
make Simon and Garfunkel sound like Marx and Engels."
And when a local newspaper writer tracked down Rick Evans in 1979
for a "where are they now" type piece, Evans had this to say: "I'm
doing roots music," he laughed. "Chuck Berry, Jimmy Reed. I have no
intention of recording any of this stuff, but I never liked that
Simon and Garfunkel shit me and Zager were doing in the first place."
I've got to get one of the Eccentrics pictures scanned so I can post
it.
Doug
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:53:53 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Coke ads @ Musica
Mike Nathan:
> Mike, I, too, was amazed at the quality of the compositions performed
> in these Coke commercials. If you would, could you forward some to me?
Thanks Mike. You're on the list!
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:24:23 -0600
From: Orion
Subject: Austin Roberts
Mr Roberts, it is so great to see you among us. Thanks for joining
an already greatly talented group of people (I don't include myself).
Orion
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:52:03 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: Best line in a song
Paul Hampton's "Gordon Entertaining Nightly", the saga of a legend-
in-his-own-mind lounge singer who knows he's gonna hit the big time
any day now, singing in a Holiday Inn:
"...and I'll never forget the little people / Like you sweet folks
tonight."
I'm a teacher, so I love the Bob Dylan line (from Crawl Out Your
Window):
"He just needs you to talk / Or to hand him his chalk / Or pick it up
after he throws it."
And not from a real country song, but it should be (one of you guys
wanna write it?):
"I've been so miserable since you left me / It's almost like you're
here."
---Dan
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:59:29 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Dawn Eden
Michael;
> Myself and Kittybeat and Dawn Eden (a name many of you know
> from almost 100 CDs that feature her liner notes, such as 'The
> Association, Just The Right Sound' or The Collector's Choice
> Peter And Gordon compilation), will spin a fab mix of the finest
> 1960s garage, psych, beat, Mod, surf and everything 'n between.
Michael.....I'm an old friend od Dawn Eden. Could you shoot me her
email address so that I can say hi? Thanks.
Mikey
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:33:39 -0800
From: James Holvay
Subject: Re: Jim Doval & The Gauchos
Matt wrote:
> I recently watched an old episode of Shindig which featured
> this group...they flat-out ROCKED and I was amused by their
> Raider-like ponytails...hmm, which (or rather who) came first,
> I wonder? Anyone know anything about them?
In 1964, I was living in San Francisco. I saw the Gauchos at
the Peppermint Tree Club in North Beach. They followed in Pat
& Lolly Vegas, who had a single out called "The Robot Walk". I
thought the Gauchos were pretty good. At the time, they
definitely projected a unique image with the long pony tails.
Also playing down the street was The Nooney Rickett Five, Sly
Stewart & His Mojo Men and The Beau Brummels. It was an exciting
music scene.
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:34:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Best line in a song
Limiting ourselves to songs that are post-1960 ...
I've always been partial to this bit from Joni Mitchell's 'The
Same Situation":
Still I sent up my prayer
Wond'ring who was there to hear;
I said "Send me somebody who's strong ...
And *somewhat* sincere"
Chris
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:43:08 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: Peak postion vs staying power
Country Paul sez:
> many records that were "lower charters" have had longer life spans
> as oldies than some of their larger brethren.
One major reason for is that a song released by a well-known artist
charts immediately, all over the nation, and reaches a good peak
position quickly.
But a song by a lesser-known artist may first be a local, then
regional hit before it becomes a national hit. This will keep it on
the lower rungs of the national chart much longer as it slowly travels
across the country, but it will never get very high in the chart
because it peaks in different states at different times.
Look at Paul Davis' I Go Crazy, which peaked at number 7 but spent 40
weeks in the Hot 100. And Soft Cell's Tainted Love peaked at 8 but
spent 43 weeks on the chart.
On the other hand, Get Back by the Beatles went to number 1 but spent
just 12 weeks in the Hot 100.
I have no stats, but I'd bet that a lot of the lesser hits with
"oldies staying power" were by previously-unknown artists who followed
the one-region-at-a-time formula, keeping them from the upper reaches
of the chart.
---Dan
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:55:33 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Is that THE Austin Roberts?
Mark:
> Wow, if that is really the great Austin Roberts, it's good to have
> you on board. IMO you rank right up there with Ron Dante and Tony
> Burrows as the greatest bubblegum artists of all-time.
Thank you for the kind words. Yes it's me and I'm happy to be part
of Spectropop and able to share stories etc. with others on here.
Best to you,
Austin
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:38:46 -0800
From: James Holvay
Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett
> James, Snuff hasn't been in Phoenix for quite some time. He had a
> stroke several years ago when he was still in LA but has completely
> recovered. As I mentioned in a previous post, he lives in Sonoita,
> New Mexico. As I've been involved in writing liner notes over the
> last 13 years for several Bobby Vee releases, I've found it quite
> informative to talk to Snuffy. He is quite a character indeed!
Bob: Thanks for clarifying that. He was one of my idols (producers).
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:05:08 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Worst Rhyme In A Song?
Rob Stride wrote:
> And Bowie - Life On Mars: "Now the workers have struck for fame,
> 'cause Lennon's on sale again"
Not wanting to be toooo contentious, but has anyone ever really taken
the lyrics of David "Oooh that rhymes, I'll use it" Bowie seriously?
Apart from (and indeed from the same song as the previous line):
"It's on America's tortured brow
That Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow"
--
Simon
Have you been, Walter?
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:13:36 +1100
From: Jules Normington
Subject: Re: Viva
Art:
> Thanks for the info on Viva, I too am interested in this label...
> would the Sound Sandwich 45 you mention be titled "Apothecary's
> Dream"? I have this one and it's quite good, definitely a
> psychedelic nugget. I know nothing about the group, however.
> Until I saw your post I was unaware that Viva had such a large
> catalogue of releases.
No probs Art...I'll get that scan off to you. Yes that one's the
classic Sound Sandwich 45...although they did have a second on Viva
...more pop-ish, less psych...but "Apothecary Dream" is one of the
true psych classics for sure (even though it's a tad off list subject
matter)...and those trippy drug-reference-laden lyrics must have been
pretty confrontational for any parents over-hearing it from young
Johnny's bedroom at the time.
Speaking alternately, of 'bad' song lyrics, Gary Puckett and the Union
Gap's "Young Girl" takes the prize for the most non-PC, morally
suspect or perhaps just plain naīve lyrics of all, si?...well of any
HIT single, that is.
Cheers, Jules
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