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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
From: Mike Rashkow
2. Re: "Witchi Tai To"
From: Ron
3. Re: crooners / Jim Morrison / Dinah Washington / Ruth Brown / R&RHoF
From: Phil Milstein
4. Re: "Witchi Tai To"
From: Mark Wirtz
5. Re: Bad Lines & Rhymes
From: Phil Milstein
6. Re: Lovin' Spoonful
From: A. Zweig
7. Rhymin' pearls and Younger Girls and Claire, mon frere
From: Albabe Gordon
8. Re: Bad Rhymes
From: Paul Woods
9. Re: Bad Rhymes
From: Scott Swanson
10. Re: MFQ
From: Jules Normington
11. Re: Snuff Garrett & "Strings"
From: Mikey
12. Re: Jimmie Cross
From: Roger Smith
13. Bobby Shafto
From: Lapka Larry
14. Re: Everything is Pepper
From: Mike McKay
15. Re: Jimmy Cross / When Jackie walks in the room / America vs. McC / People who don't need Streisand
From: Phil Milstein
16. Re: Bad Rhymes
From: Watson Macblue
17. Re: Austin Roberts
From: Clark Besch
18. Re: Casey Kasem / Snuff Garrett / Joe Brown
From: Clark Besch
19. Re: Good Lines / Bad Rhymes
From: sugarmagnolia
20. Re: Orpheus on BMG?
From: Tom
21. da da-da da
From: Jon Adelson
22. Re: I Am I Said
From: Dan Hughes
23. Re: "Witchi Tai To"
From: Art
24. Rhymin' 'round the Christmas Tree
From: Albabe Gordon
25. Snuff Produces Scott (Walker)
From: Art
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:16:23 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
I am very behind the curve on this one, but remember I do live in North
Carolina. The film never played in a theater within 100 miles of where
I live.
The DVD is out. I saw it and recommend it to all, both for the music
and history.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:21:59 -0000
From: Ron
Subject: Re: "Witchi Tai To"
Stephane Rebeschini wrote:
> Inspired by a religious Peyote chant from the Kaw tribe,
> "Witchi Tai To" was recorded by many groups. Here are the
> ones I know...
I always wondered if there was a connection between Jim Pepper and
the fusion group Oregon (Ralph Towner, Glenn Moore, Colin Walcott,
and Paul McCandless). Oregon did at least two released studio
versions of "Witchi Tai To", and several more versions on live albums.
Ron
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:44:52 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: crooners / Jim Morrison / Dinah Washington / Ruth Brown / R&RHoF
A. Zweig wrote:
> You can take it as a category. Bing Crosby, Sinatra, Nat King Cole,
> Mel Torme, Tony Bennett, Andy Williams, Jack Jones, (the great) Matt
> Monro etc... are crooners because they were called crooners. In the
> era in which they were most active, big band singers, pop singers,
> even jazz singers who sang standards in front of big orchestras were
> often called crooners.
The way I've always understood crooning is as a reflection of a
specific style of intimate, close-mic singing, which developed in the
1920s due to the new invention of electrical (vs. acoustic, into-the-
horn) recording. Crosby, Vallee and Columbo were the best at this new
approach, and thus became the first crooning stars. Crooning since
then (again, the way I take it) has referred to those singers who most
closely approximate that original style.
I don't know that the term has ever generally been applied to female
singers. If true, I imagine it's because the intimacy of the original
crooners appealed to many women in a romantic/erotic way, and the
relationship between male close-singers and female fans stuck.
Bill Craig wrote:
> I always thought the line was: "an actor out on loan" (like from one
> studio to another, Jimbo was a cinema major).
Perhaps so, but even though that makes more literal sense than "out
alone" it still sounds slapped together with little or no
deliberateness.
Country Paul wrote:
> Died: 1963 Dinah Washington, singer, dies of sleeping pill overdose
> at 39
I was just reading about this incident on my way home tonight, in Ruth
Brown's autobiography. A bit spooky to come home and find it happened
exactly 40 years ago to the day.
> I am more and more inclined to believe that the Rock & Roll Hall Of
> Fame is nothing short of a scam.
Ruth addressed this issue in my reading today, too! I think I'd better
lock the door tight, to make sure no haints get in tonight ...
--Phil M.
P.S. Anyone have any details on the 1958 murder of John Dolphin?
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:27:43 -0500
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: "Witchi Tai To"
Stephane Rebeschini wrote:
> Inspired by a religious Peyote chant from the Kaw tribe,
> "Witchi Tai To" was recorded by many groups. Here are the
> ones I know...
There is also a compelling version in existence by the UK band
"Ambulence." I strongly recommend checking it out!
Best,
mark wirtz
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:39:07 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Bad Lines & Rhymes
"And no one heard at all,
Not even the chair."
--Neil D., I Am What I Am, I Said
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:35:33 -0500
From: A. Zweig
Subject: Re: Lovin' Spoonful
C. Pontidue:
> That was Joe Butler, original drummer for the group, playing
> autoharp. When Joe and Steve, (the orig. bassist) reformed shards
> of the group, John and Zal chose not to participate. Zal was busy
> with a successful restaurant in Toronto and family responsibilities.
I only get the digest so if I'm the tenth guy to make this correction,
I'm sorry. The restaurant was in Kingston, not Toronto.
On the TV concert, Joe Butler's voice was serviceable at best. Jerry
Yester on the other hand, was slightly better. At least he sounded
like a singer, which isn't always just about the quality of the voice.
He was more comfortable with the the job. And though I know he was
in later incarnations of the Spoonful, I think of him as the guy who
made the record with Judy Henske on Zappa's label. (Or maybe I have
that wrong.)
AZ
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:08:08 -0800
From: Albabe Gordon
Subject: Rhymin' pearls and Younger Girls and Claire, mon frere
Responding to S.J. Diba and Phil Milstein's thoughts about "Worst
Rhymes In a Song?"
George Harrison's rhyming of "me" and "me." Er, am I losing it a bit
here... I can't imagine a more rhyming couple o' words. I assume your
referring to the next to the last word of each line. Clumsy, but after
all these years it has a nice uncoordinated appeal to me.
Eric Burdon has always been a bit of a schmaltzy goofball... But I
mostly like your examples. But as a bit of an aside: his non-rhyming
"improvs" on his version of "A Day In The Life" are kind of ironic in a
30 year old hindsighted sorta way. Something about the "Light was
stoned..." (I think that was it... relying on my memory here.) What a
maroon.
I especially like the Orbison rhymes that you didn't. I thought it was
sorta clever, in fact.
As for P.F.'s words to "Eva..." I think that song was a bit of a
tribute to Dylan around that time, which was a bit of a tribute to Woody
and other's "Talkin'" lyrics, which were a tribute to... etc. So, in
that light, I think we're lucky any of the words in that song rhyme.
As for Morrison: Man, I dig those lyrics. I think they're fairly
indicative of most of Morrison's pagan wiccan-like American-Indian (etc.)
rhymes. I think imagery can be a very temporaly-related thing. I like
the strange images those lyrics suggest to me. Slangs and weird usages
have to be judged within certain contexts... or not. (And I never took
acid... I swear).
Ian Chippett about Suspect lyrics:
> How about "Claire" by Gilbert O'Sullivan? "You get to me in a way I
> can't describe"? Probably just as well but at the time I really
> loved this song. Can't imagine it ever being released today. But I'm
> sure someone else must have noticed this before me.
Can O' Worms time: This song is nothing like "Young Girl" to me.
"Young Girl" is describing a love/sex relationship with a younger girl.
Then there's "Younger Girl" by The Spoonful." I never thought either of
these tunes were about a lascivious guy in his 50's. I assumed it was
more like a guy in college being interested in a girl in High School.
But of course, that's my interpretation. I don't remember if age is
mentioned in either song... but isn't that a relative thing anyway? My
girlfriend is 14 years younger than me. I'm 50 and she's 36. My ex wife
is 5 years older than me, as were most of my "significant others." As
far as I'm concerned, I lucked out having a gal who isn't that worried
about pushing me down the street in a wheelchair when I get a bit older
... but who knows... give her time.
And as for "Claire." I love that song. I really do. And I think it
perfectly reflects a proper relationship with a very little girl. I get
teary whenever I hear that song, thinking of my PROPER relationships with,
for instance, my nieces. I feel a swelling in my chest when I hear that
song... no where else. I haven't read the lyrics lately, but I think the
point of that song was to fool you into thinking the singer was singing
about a "mature" relationship... until the end. Then when you heard the
song the second or third time, you'd realize that all the improprieties
where yours, not the singers. I'm not pointing fingers at Ian at all,
but I think it's sad that we live in a time when the Mind Police feel
this overwhelming need to protect us from interpretations and
misunderstandings, especially when they diminish a heart's innocence.
And to quote something someone already quoted:
"Ain't but three things in this world that's worth a solitary dime,
But old dogs and children and watermelon wine."
...and:
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood.
...or should that be...
Oh Lord, please don't let me be Miss Sunday School.
peace,
~albabe
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:00:16 -0000
From: Paul Woods
Subject: Re: Bad Rhymes
Here's a baddie from Sonny and Cher:
"But when you go with fellers
Baby, I get jealous..."
wudzi
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:11:38 -0800
From: Scott Swanson
Subject: Re: Bad Rhymes
Doug Morris writes:
> I know this is a little outside the realm of Spectropop, but it
> is remarkably egregious nonetheless:
>
> I went from Phoenix, Arizona
> All the way to Tacoma.
>
> From the Steve Miller Band's "Rockin' Me"
But that doesn't hold a candle to Steve's rhymes in "Take The Money
And Run" -- where he rhymes "down in Texas" with "what the facts is"
...and then he follows THAT with...
"people's taxes".
Yeesh.
-Scott
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:35:51 +1100
From: Jules Normington
Subject: Re: MFQ
Let it be known, that as we speak the four ORIGINAL members of the
MFQ (Chip Douglas, Jim ['n' Jerry too?] Yester, champ photographer
Henry Diltz...and the Other Guy) are touring Japan...where the
adulation of the style of folk as championed/lampooned so successfully
in the movie "A Mighty Wind" this year (just how friggin' funny was
that movie, huh???!!)...has led to no less than 4...yep FOUR...
Japanese MFQ tribute bands...complete with coke-bottle Diltz glasses,
goatees, 'n' all. The tour is sold out, by the way....six gigs between
12th and 21st December...those guys are stars over there (to a small
circle of folk nutters, mind you)...this is not the first recent tour
they've done.
Cheers, Jules
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:00:55 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett & "Strings"
Bob:
> Let's face it, you can't argue with success. Vee was the biggest
> selling artist of all time for Liberty Records and Snuff was
> getting paid to produce records that would sell.
>>>>>>>>>Bob, great post, but the biggest selling act on Liberty was
The Ventures, with over 800 million records sold as of 2002.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:04:16 -0500
From: Roger Smith
Subject: Re: Jimmie Cross
> Jimmy Cross "I Want My Baby Back" - great Shangri-Las answer record.
> Funny as hell, too. Didn't he record under another name as well, or
> was this his nom de plume? Or am I way off base on this?
I don't know of any other name Cross may have used, but there have been
rumors that is was actually Harry Nilsson that recorded "I Want My Baby
Back."
Nilsson once appeared on Kenny Everett's radio program in England and
*denied* that he had recorded the song under the name Jimmie Cross. I'm
not sure if anyone had previously claimed that he had. So, Nilsson
himself may have started the rumor.
An article about Kenny Everett in the Summer 1995 issue of the British
Library National Sound Archive describes the rumor as truth:
"'Cuddly Ken's' occasional hit parade of the horrible, which grew into
The Bottom Thirty, was truly a crawl down High Camp Street. He was not
above or below including embarrassing novelty records made by other
radio presenters. One of these wretched recordings was the ultimate
1960's teenage death genre non-hit, 'I Want My Baby Back' recorded by
Harry Nilsson under the alias of Jimmie Cross. The singer's grief is such
that he digs up his beloved's coffin, crawls in, and sings the last
chorus from inside. It was so tasteless that Nilsson, who later was a
guest on Everett's programmes, never admitted his involvement in the
record he wanted to remain dead and buried."
I asked Perry Botkin, the composer of "I Want My Baby Back", about the
story. He said: "Sorry. . . Not Harry. There was a real Jimmie Cross. A
very nice guy and dear friend of Harry, Gil, and me. He died about twelve
years ago but his glorious and lilting performance on 'Baby Back' shall
keep his memory alive forever in the annals of beautiful and deeply
meaningful popular music."
-- Roger
http://www.harrynilsson.com/
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:15:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Lapka Larry
Subject: Bobby Shafto
Dear Country Paul:
Thanks for the information on Jewhoo. Many of the
Jewish rockers mentioned I knew of; some I did not.
On another subject: I don't even know if their music
fits in here, but does anyone have any information on
a group called Bobby Shafto? I think they had a mild
hit in the late 1960s, but I can't recall off the top
of my head.
When my daughter was little, I used to recite that the
poem that that band took their name from, and I have
always been curious about them. I do seem to remember
that they got some scant airplay here in New York on
one song, but I just can't recall what the song was or
any information about them.
Can anyone help?
Larry Lapka
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:06:42 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Everything is Pepper
Previously:
> "Jim Pepper's Pow-Wow" also features Jim Pepper, of course-it
> came out, as you mentioned, on a subsidiary of Atlantic in 1971.
>
> Jim Pepper's Pow-Wow (on the Atlantic subsid Embryo) came
> afterwards (got one for Ebay) once he'd left the band.
In my continuing effort to be anal, allow me to repeat -- the ARTIST
CREDIT on the Embryo album was Jim Pepper. The TITLE of the album was
"Pepper's Pow-Wow."
> The original version was by Everything is Everything. Jim Pepper was
> in the group, but Chris Hills seemed to get top billing.
Only in their second incarnation, after Pepper had left the group.
There was no individual member credit on their first release.
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:14:10 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Jimmy Cross / When Jackie walks in the room / America vs. McC / People who don't need Streisand
Previously:
> Jimmy Cross "I Want My Baby Back" - great Shangri-Las answer record.
> Funny as hell, too. Didn't he record under another name as well, or
> was this his nom de plume? Or am I way off base on this?
According to Rob Finnis' liner notes to Ace's just-out "The Golden Age
Of American Rocknroll, Special Novelty Edition," which includes I Want
My Baby Back:
"Perry Botkin, Jr. and his writing partner Gil Garfield (formerly a
member of the '50s novelty trio The Cheers) penned I Want My Baby Back
in the wake of The Shangri-La's Leader Of The Pack, conceiving it as a
vehicle for their friend Jimmy Cross, a professional Southerner, bit
actor and handyman. In 1957, Cross had appeared in The Amazing Colossal
Man, a sci-fi tale of a 60-foot man who attacks Las Vegas. He'd also cut
the odd record (including a 45 for the Recordo label in 1961) so he
wasn't entirely unfamiliar with the recording process. ... Cross, who
later went on to produce the syndicated US radio series Country
Concerto, died of a heart attack (aged 39) in 1978."
Bill George wrote:
Best line in a song:
> I close my eyes for a moment and pretend it's me you want
> Meanwhile I try and act so nonchalant
Guy Lawrence wrote:
Worst rhymes:
> "Close my eyes for a second and pretend it's me you want
> Meanwhile I try to act so nonchalant"
Tim Viney wrote:
> How about this for an inventive rhyme:
> "I close my eyes for a second and pretend it's me you want
> meanwhile I try to act so nonchalant"
Now that's what I call "controversy." Not to mention, "coincidence." For
my two cents, I'm with Bill on this one. More on good/bad/evil lyrics:
Steve Harvey wrote:
> America deserves the award for consistently lousy
> lyrics. Schoolboy schlock. Even McCartney was known
> to wince at 'em.
America gave us (from A Horse With No Name, by Dewey Bunnell):
In the desert you can remember your name
'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain
To which McCartney responded (from Live And Let Die):
But in this ever-changing world in which we live in
so he's a fine one to talk.
Tom Taber wrote:
> Anyone consider a list of songs with the STUPIDEST
> sentiments?
I nominate Barbra Streisand's (via Bob Merrill, with Jule Styne) numbing
"People who need people are the luckiest people in the world."
Don't mean to sound misanthropic, but in my view the more dependent one
is -- whether on other people, or on anything beyond the basic
necessities of life -- the more vulnerable and hence UNlucky.
Libby lobby loopy,
--Phil M.
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:34:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Watson Macblue
Subject: Re: Bad Rhymes
The Sunrays, God help them, in their timeless epic "A Little Dog
and His Boy":
My name is Spot
I am a dog
My master is Billy
He collects frog.
No, really. Rick Henn, just about audibly, swallows an "s" at the
end of "frog", allowing this pinnacle of the songwriter's art to also
become the National Monument of the final-"s"-doesn't-count school of
bad rhyming. Waytago, fellas. And a special mention for good 'ol
Murry Wilson. I'm one of those evil cranks who thinks Murry might not
have been as musically useless as David Leaf and his acolytes at the
Church of the Holy Tricycle make out (listen *carefully* to the God
Only Knows session snoop), but this is, well, special.
Watson
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:06:48 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Austin Roberts
Austin Roberts wrote:
> Thanks for the welcome. The Shoppe record was around 1981, I think.
> Cymbal and I were both living in Nashville at the time and when we
> wrote together it was usually country. I always thought Johnny
> could've been a great country singer. Great feeling for a lyric,
> plus he was funny as hell (not that that has much to do with being
> a country singer, but it makes being around him a lot of fun).
> Five of us in Nashville used to play poker once a month (small
> stakes), including Johnny and myself. When Johnny died, we'd invite
> a different fifth player to each game and leave a sixth chair empty
> for Johnny. He was a great friend.
Hi Austin, glad to have you on Spectropop. I am only a year on here
myself and it's a lot of fun. Altho I know only less than 10 of
your songs, three sit in my fave 45s boxes. "Something's Wrong With
me" is great and I'm glad it got you on the "big map". The other two
are really great too. I just read that you sang lead on "Morning of
Our Lives" by Arkade awhile back (probably here). A great song that
I don't believe has been in stereo other than the Dj 45, which I
have. Never on Cd yet too, correct? Hard to believe. KOIL Omaha
used it for their "Bridal Fairs" commercials in the 70's too. Great
uplifting song.
The other is "One Word" on Chelsea. Man, the first time I heard it on
KFXM in Omaha, I had to hunt it down. Really liked the guitar
beginning and the almost screaming attitude singing the title words.
Easy to sing loudy with in the car! :) Not sure if you were working
with Bobby Hart on that track or not? Did you work with Bobby at
Chelsea? I believe he had an Lp as "Cloud" then. If I remember right,
he may have produced a single by Johnny Cymbal listed as by "Cymbal"
at the time, no? Anyway, great to have you and if you have any
comments on the above 3 songs, I'd love to hear them.
Clark Besch
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:24:28 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Casey Kasem / Snuff Garrett / Joe Brown
Not growing up in the California area, I had never heard of Casey
Kasem until 1970 when the Wichita station began playing American Top
40. For me, he was a replacement, kinda. I grew up with all the
great 60's jocks talking and telling stories on the air and playing
the survey countdowns. By 1971, most survey countdown shows had
disappeared. Most of the great jocks were not where I could hear
them anymore, or they were doing the 6 in a row thing without all the
stories, etc. Here was best of both worlds. A countdown show which
played the Hot 100 top 40 songs before I could get to the store to
read AND a guy with a great voice who told stories that were
interesting and often chart info, which I've always loved. Casey
wasn't Ron Riley, Dex Card, Art Roberts, Barney Pip, Ron Britain, Big
Jack Armstrong, Brucie......but he the best thing I had and he was
pretty darn good! And LOVED THE JINGLES too!
I also thought it was pretty cool of him to allow himself to be the
butt of David Lettermen jokes intentionally in the 80's. Showed his
sense of humor when he road all the way across the country in a bus
for Dave's show. I also enjoyed his early Top 10 video show. With
MTV new, it was nice to get the top videos each week in one spot.
I actually thought he had stepped aside on AT40 over a decade ago and
had his own "Casey's Top 40", but I really haven't tried finding Casey
on radio in over two decades.
In reading all the Snuff Garrett info, didn't he have that little hand
written drawing of himself on records he produced? Am I thinking of
someone else?
Someone asked about Joe Brown. His "Picture of You" was a big hit
as many know. He had the Beatles opening for him in 62 and George
Harrison's first lead vocal on BBC radio was on Joe's "Picture of
You" which suited him great at the time.
Take care, Clark
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:36:17 -0000
From: sugarmagnolia
Subject: Re: Good Lines / Bad Rhymes
Oh, somebody else who feels the same way! Where anyone got the idea
that Jim Morrison was profound I will never understand - "Riders on
the Storm" is bad, but what about "Hyacinth House":
I need a brand new friend who doesn't trouble me
I need someone and who doesn't need me
I see the bathroom is clear
I think that somebody's near
or "Queen of the Highway":
He was a monster, black dressed in leather
She was a princess, Queen of the Highway
Now they are wedded, she is a good girl
Naked as children out in a meadow
Naked as children, wild as can be
Soon to have offspring, start it all over....
As for best lyrics? What about this from Faces:
"You want a lip, but you get a cheek
Makes you wonder where you are
You want some more, but she's fast asleep
Gets you twinkling with the stars."
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:18:42 -0000
From: Tom
Subject: Re: Orpheus on BMG?
C. Pontidue wrote:
> I recently got the BMG Heritage best of Orpheus. I wore it out.
BMG Heritage released an Orpheus "best of" compilation? Are you sure
you don't mean the Ace/Big Beat 2CD "Best of Orpheus" that was
released in '95? Or maybe the more recent "Very Best of Orpheus" from
Varese Sarabande?
> "Can't Find The Time" is their best known. AT least on the East
> coast it was on the radio a lot and certainly captured my ears.
I recently talked to a few people from North Carolina who swore they
remembered hearing "Congress Alley" and "I've Never Seen Love Like
This" being played as much as "Can't Find The Time". With three
Orpheus singles on the airwaves at the same time; it amazes me that
this group did not develop a larger following - or at least a more
vocal one.
> I wonder how far up the charts "Can't Find..." made it??
According to the Boston Rock & Roll Museum:
"The single Can't Find the Time was released in January of
1968...Despite being a major hit, it did not hit the charts this time
around. It reached the top 10 - or even number one - in most of the
major cities on the East Coast, but the timing was staggered between
these markets. Had it hit all of them simultaneously, it would surely
have reached the charts. The album, however, did reach the charts,
where it rode for many months.
Later in 1969, MGM re-released the single. This go-round it reached
number 80 on the Hot 100, even though it had already been a hit in
1968 and the excellent album sales had surely pre-empted some single
sales. It reached the top 10 for the second time in most of the major
cities in the East."
I got the above information from this website:
http://dirtywater.com/a2z/o/orpheus/index.html
Tom
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:45:44 -0000
From: Jon Adelson
Subject: da da-da da
Help. The opening of a song is running through my head, and I can't
think of what it is. My information is sparse. I think it's early
sixties. As I recollect, the opening is sung by the actual (female)
singer of the song (as opposed to a back-up vocal group). The da da-
da da notes are (for you do re mi-ers): do me-so fa (quarter note, 02 eighth-notes, quarter note). I regret to say that the Great
Rashkowsky was unable to help me with this, but I have confidence in
the Spectropop brain trust to work with minimal cluedom.
da da-da da
Jon Adelson
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:46:14 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: I Am I Said
Phil Milstein derided:
> "And no one heard at all,
> Not even the chair."
Guys think this song is nonsense; girls think it is profound. Weird.
---Dan
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:23:04 -0000
From: Art
Subject: Re: "Witchi Tai To"
Ron:
> I always wondered if there was a connection between Jim Pepper and
> the fusion group Oregon (Ralph Towner, Glenn Moore, Colin Walcott,
> and Paul McCandless). Oregon did at least two released studio
> versions of "Witchi Tai To", and several more versions on live
> albums.
Hello Ron!
Jim Pepper was FROM Portland Oregon, and was regarded as possibly the
foremost jazz musician from that city, so there probably is a
connection, geographically speaking. It's interesting that Jim's
"Witchi-Tai-To" has been so widely covered. But the Everything is
Everything version (which features Jim on vocals as well as saxophone)
is the definitive version to me.
Art
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:53:17 -0800
From: Albabe Gordon
Subject: Rhymin' 'round the Christmas Tree
Maybe I'm a sadist/masochist, but this "Best Rhyme/Worst Rhyme"
thread is my absolute fave in all the years I'm been shooting my
opinionated mouth off (sorry Mike) in this awesome assemblage of
outspoken orators.
It's fantastic to me that the same lyrics will be in the "best"
list of one person and the "worst" of another.
And, even though I risk sounding like a Politically Correct
noodlehead..." Everyone is right.
peace and good will towards everyone,
~albabe
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:05:48 -0000
From: Art
Subject: Snuff Produces Scott (Walker)
All the discussions on Snuff Garrett productions reminds me of one of
Snuff's productions I have on a 1962 Liberty 45-it's by Scott Engel
(later known as Scott Walker, of course) and is titled "Anything Will
Do". This song, which is an upbeat number that mentions several then-
current dances, is one that I really like, not least because it is
rather humorous-humor being something that was in short supply on
Scott's later records.
I wonder if Snuff would remember working with the now famously
reclusive Walker back in those days.
Art
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