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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Bad Lines
From: Paul Bryant
2. more songs about food
From: Paul Bryant
3. Re: Bad Lines - Beach Boys
From: Paul Bryant
4. Re: Orpheus
From: James Botticelli
5. Re: Bad Lines
From: Orion
6. Vince Eager & the Ronettes
From: S'pop Projects
7. Re: Talk about Mi...na
From: Steve Crump
8. Re: Orpheus
From: Orion
9. Re: For all the honest world to feel
From: Mike Rashkow
10. Dolphin / Dolton explained
From: Michael Kelly
11. Ventures Vinyl
From: Michael Kelly
12. Patti Dalstrom
From: Steve Harvey
13. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
From: Martin Roberts
14. Re: Uptight / research
From: Phil Milstein
15. More from Liberty on Dolphin/Dolton
From: Doc
16. Re: Jerry Yester solo
From: Kevin
17. Re: Two Dolphin labels / The Ventures
From: Bob Hanes
18. Re: Talk about Mi...na / Morricone, etc.
From: Julio Niño
19. Re: Snuff Garrett
From: Mark T
20. Re: Clairifyin'
From: Chris
21. Re: Bad Lines/So Lonely
From: S.J. Dibai
22. Orpheus
From: Mark T
23. Sex and Food
From: Julio Niño
24. Re: Rokes / Yardbirds
From: S.J. Dibai
25. Re: Neighb'rhood Childr'n / Phil's Spectre / Clydie King
From: John Berg
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:43:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Bad Lines
> Another gem from Dylan, this one from "Million Dollar Bash":
> I looked at my watch, I looked at my wrist
> I punched myself in the face with my fist.
> Ah, but is really better than, "his cheese in his chunk and
> his cheese in his cash" from the same song.
Correction -
Well, that big dumb blonde
With her wheel in the gorge
And Turtle, that friend of theirs
With his checks all forged
And his cheeks in a chunk
With his cheese in the cash
They're all gonna be there
At that million dollar bash
pb
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:49:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: more songs about food
David Goodwin wrote:
> Thought I'd add to the insanity. From the Association's self-
> titled album, and the obviously-a-joke-but-still-fun song,
> Broccoli...
Well, the Association were not the first to make a connection
between food and sex - I believe Sigmund Freud has whole
chapters on the subject. But the definitive food/sex song has
got to be one of my fave 1965 hits, Bread and Butter by the
Newbeats:
I like bread and butter
I like toast and jam
That's what my baby feeds ne
I'm her lovin' man
(He likes bread and butter
He likes toast and jam
That's what his baby feeds him
He's her lovin' man)
She don't cook mashed potatoes
Don't cook T-bone steak
Don't feed me peanut butter
She knows that I can't take
Got home early one mornin'
Much to my surprise
She was eatin' chicken and dumplins
With some other guy
(No more bread and butter
No more toast and jam
He found his baby eatin'
With some other man)
I mean to say - that's really quite rude, don't you think? And
what's that "she knows that I can't take" all about??
pb
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:13:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Bad Lines - Beach Boys
David Mirich wrote:
> Another Bad Line is from Mike Love's song on Surf's Up which
> talks about an "ecological aftermath". There are several others
> by Brian and the Boys that bring a smile that don't come to mind
> right now.
The Beach Boys turned into eco-warrior hippy types in 1970 and on
the Surf's Up album we have Mike Love trying to become the
spokesman for a generation by rewriting Riot in cell Block No 9
with "relevant" lyrics - here's one of the ghastly verses :
"America was stunned on May 4, 1970
When rally turned to riot up at Kent State University
They said the students scared the Guard
Though the troops were battle dressed
Four martyrs earned a new degree
The Bachelor of Bullets
I know we're all fed up with useless wars and racial strife
But next time there's a riot, well, you best stay out of sight"
Thanks Mike - Bachelor of Bullets - wow, that's neat. Next up, Al
Jardine from the Holland album, "California Saga":
"Have you ever been to a festival, the Big Sur congregation?
Where Country Joe will do his show
And he'd sing about liberty
And the people there in the open air, one big family.
Yeah the people there love to sing and share
Their new found liberty"
10 points on the cringe-ometer for that one, from the same group
who but a few short years before could sing these sublime lines:
Pedal's to the floor hear the dual quads drink
And now the four-thirteen's lead is startin' to shrink
He's hot with ram induction but it's understood
I got a fuel injected engine sittin' under my hood
10 points on the cool-ometer for that one.
pb
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:52:58 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Orpheus
Tom wrote:
> Yeah, I was really surprised to find out that "I've Never Seen
> Love..." didn't even chart. It had all the elements to be a mega
> hit of the day.
> I love the chunky acoustic guitars, stand-up bass and Bernard
> Purdie's funky drum fills. It remains the epitome of their early
> folk-meets-pop-meets-jazz sound.
> Dare I say, it may even equal their classic, "Can't Find The Time".
Take the risk sir....It knocks the slightly tame 'Can't Find The Time'
out of the tub. In fact check out 'I'll Fly', 'Lesley's World' and a
host of other LP tracks and I think you'll find 'Can't Find The Time',
pretty as it may be, on the pedestrian tip. But that's just me.
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:53:57 -0600
From: Orion
Subject: Re: Bad Lines
Paul B:
> Regarding Stevie - can someone enlighten me about something which has
> been a puzzle since around 1966? "Uptight, everything is all right"
> sings Stevie - but "uptight" doesn't mean "all right" does it? It's
> ancient 60s slang meaning the very opposite to all right!
As I recall in that era if something was "tight" it was a
good thing. "Uptight" though I don't really recall myself
or friends using that term.
Orion
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:34:22 -0000
From: S'pop Projects
Subject: Vince Eager & the Ronettes
Some members might have already noticed the new photo which
adorns the S'pop members page. It comes from the booklet
which accompanies the recently released CD "Yea! Yea! It's
Vince Eager" (Rollercoaster RCCD 3058). The shot was taken
during Vince's tour of the UK in 1964 and pictures him having
a drink with the Ronettes and members of the Kinks and the
Yardbirds. Thanks to Rob Finnis for the photo. View it here:
http://www.spectropop.com/go2/members.html
The S'pop Team
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:58:38 -0000
From: Steve Crump
Subject: Re: Talk about Mi...na
Julio Niño wrote:
> Hi Everybody, Could anybody tell me if Mina's version of "Talk
> About Me" (Greenwich/Raleigh) was issued as a single in USA in
> the sixties?. Was it even released in Italy?. Because I can't
> find any reference of it in Mina's official discography.
Hi Julio, Here's what I've managed to piece together from sites on
the net.
Il Cielo In Una Stanza was released in the USA on the Time label and
made the charts 1961. The label lists the song as "This World We Love
In", but is is the Italian language version.
Meanwhile - in the UK - the Oriole label releases This World We Love
In / You're Tired Of Me sometime in 1960. I presume that these are
the English language versions, but I can't say for sure.
Late in 1962 Mina travels to the US to record (probably in New York)
She records 6 tracks in early October
Just Let me Cry / Pretend That I'm Her released on Verve 10277
Just Let me Cry / Pretend That I'm Her released on Italdisc in Feb 63
Non Piangero / A Volte (italian versions) released on Italdisc in Feb
64 AFTER she had left the label
Young At Love / Slowly released on Italdisc in 1965
The remaining 2 tracks Talk About Me and Goodbye Is A Lonesome Sound
I don't think were ever released at the time they were recorded. I
have them on some early 80's compilation albums (Pizza e Cafe), but I
have a feeling that they might have been "added" to various albums to
make a collection.
Later in October 1964 - I believe Mina travelled to Australia and 3
singles and 3 eps were released by a small label in Melbourne. Just
Let Me Cry / Pretend That I'm Her was one of those singles
By the way have you noticed that on Pretend there is no trace of an
accent - yet on Talk About Me she sounds as if she is "sounding" the
lyrics. And have you also noticed that Pretend on ANY CD you find is
always shorter buy about 35 seconds??
Julio - if you don't already have them I can highly recommend Mina's
UK LP from 1978 which is all in English, plus an earlier American LP
on Regalia which has 4 tracks unique to that album, including another
english version of This World We Love In
I recently picked up a whole bunch of Ennio Morricone arranged
singles on Ebay. One of them is a killer - L'Amore Gira by Rosy on
RCA. It is the closest yet I have heard to true Italian girl group -
the double vocals, chanting girl background and stuttering drums -
mmmm magnifico!!!
Cheers
Steve
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:51:12 -0600
From: Orion
Subject: Re: Orpheus
Clark Besch wrote:
> Tom, I so agree with needing to have the 'uncovered' "Can't Find the
> Time" and the "anatomy" "Never seen love like this" versions! They
> are so, so cool to hear how two great songs were produced step by
> step.
Tom :
> Yeah, I was really surprised to find out that "I've Never Seen
> Love..." didn't even chart. It had all the elements to be a mega
> hit of the day.
As has been noted previously, I am a huge fan of Orpheus and I believe
they just didn't have the right manager taking care of them to get them
looked at nation wide. In the Kansas City area where I was living, I am
pretty sure that their music didn't chart at all. I know that one of
their tunes was on WHB's "make it or break it" where listeners call in
and say play it more or don't play it (whew long sentence). I remember
it didn't make it, as I was there that night. I was disappointed as it
received hardly any "make it" votes. Peace
Orion
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL!!! This is the best Yahoo group I belong to.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:15:42 -0000
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: For all the honest world to feel
Sandy Miller:
>I couldn't resist responding to Rashkowsky's challenge for Adelson to name
>the song containing the words, "for all the honest world to feel".
You and Dan Hughes both get a D in self control. Awww what the heck, he'd
never have gotten it anyway.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:59:43 -0500
From: Michael Kelly
Subject: Dolphin / Dolton explained
The following is from interviews conducted for my book, Liberty Records.
(Liberty bought Dolton).
Bob Reisdorf: "I picked 'Dolphin' for the label's name because I had an
affection for dolphins. It was not deeply thought out or anything, no one
sat around for hours thinking about it. But they are lovely creatures,
beautiful things.
"The name 'Dolphin' was cleared by the musicians union, I believe that
was the agency that gave those clearances for the name for a new company.
But after we had our first hit, we got a letter from one of the major
book publisher. It was a very nice letter, 'We envy your success, but we
are afraid we are going to have to ask you to change the name.' I decided
that I might as well keep the first three letters, so I just changed it
from 'Dolphin' to 'Dolton.' Although the world 'Dolton' meant nothing at
all. It was absolutely meaningless."
There is every reason to suppose that Bob Reisdorff's explanation of the
reason the Dolphin name had to be dropped is accurate. However, Snuff
Garrett recalls it slightly differently. "John Dolphin in downtown L.A.
sued so they changed the label's name to Dolton." Maybe John owned the
book publishing company?
In any event, Bob Reisdorff did change the name of Dolphin records. "In
order to comply with their request, and our legal position was rather
weak although we were not at fault, we changed our name. I suppose we
could have gone ahead, but the letter had been written and we could
possibly have been in trouble. I don't know whether that was true or not,
I wasn't sophisticated enough at that time to know or to make the
judgement. But I was advised to change it by the attorney at Liberty, Si
Zucker."
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:04:57 -0500
From: Michael Kelly
Subject: Ventures Vinyl
Founding Venture Bob Bogle told me the following for my book Liberty
Records:
And Ventures LPs? Well, they have released over eighty (count 'em, 80!)
LPs in the USA, over 150 LPs world-wide! They kept the same line-up of
four members for over 25 years! Their other claims to fame include:
Six Gold LPs:
Walk, Don't Run -- 1960
Telstar and the Lonely Bull -- 1963
Golden Greats -- 1967
Hawaii Five-0 -- 1969
10th Anniversary Album -- 1970
Pops in Japan -- 1970
Three Gold Singles:
"Walk, Don't Run" -- 1960
"Walk, Don't Run '64" -- 1964
"Hawaii Five-0" -- 1969
One Gold 8-Track Tape:
Golden Best 20 -- 1970 (Japan)
>From 1960 through 1966, the Ventures sold over one million LPs, each
year! In 1963, they were voted as one of the top five artist in the
world! They have sold over 10 million LPs -- in the tiny country of
Japan, alone!
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:40:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Patti Dalstrom
Hey Artie, I have Patti Dalstrom's lps. What is happening with her
these days? Whose Musicmaster Bass is that in corner of the photo?
Steve Harvey
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 05:55:13 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
Girl Group fans are advised to pay special attention to the
records on offer this week. Last year Ann-Margret, Peggy March,
Neil Sedaka, Sam Cooke and others left seasonal messages of
goodwill. This year I'm proud to present Atco recording starlet
April Stevens, whose sultry comments on the weather will warm
the heart of every man...and woman, too:-) She's on the homepage: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
The Record Of The week is an obscure little gem, Yolanda and
the Castanets' "Meet Me After School" on Tandem.
Of course the boys haven't been forgotten. Next week the choice
is between the Cascades or Eddie Hodges, both in harmony mode.
The featured song on Al Hazan's page is another obscure 60s female
vocalist: Lee-Anne with the self-composed "Never" on Ann records:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/ahjnrotw.htm
This week's jingle is #8 Adventure - please see note below in
regards to future transmissions:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm
Coming Soon:
First the bad news, The KHJ jingles on the radio page will be
ending shortly. (Don't be too sad, they will be back.) Now the
good news! I'm pleased to announce a major new weekly radio
broadcast will be replacing it. Unless you tuned into BBC Radio
Oxford in the early 80s I can promise you will have not heard
anything of its like before.
Martin
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:00:56 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Uptight / research
Orion wrote:
> As I recall in that era if something was "tight" it was a
> good thing. "Uptight" though I don't really recall myself
> or friends using that term.
"Uptight" was also one of the names of Andy Warhol's multimedia
extravaganzas, featuring the Velvet Underground, before more-or-less
settling into "Exploding Plastic Inevitable." Not quite sure what they
meant by it, though.
A powerful new research resource has come on the scene: searches done
within the Books section at Amazon.com can now search within the text of
books. I'm not sure what pct. of books in their catalogue this applies
to, but, needless to say, the utility of such an application can hardly
be underestimated.
--Phil M.
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:53:23 -0500
From: Doc
Subject: More from Liberty on Dolphin/Dolton
Bob Residorf:
Interestingly, when Dolphin was re christened "Dolton" Records,
the blue label representing the ocean stayed, the letters
turning lighter blue as they got deeper in the blue "ocean" stayed,
even the three swimming dolphins on the top of the label stayed!
Only the name was changed to protect the company.
...and...
Later, the name change from "Dolphin" to "Dolton" took a while to
accomplish. In the interim, "Come Softly To Me" was switched over to
Liberty and quickly re-released as Liberty record number 55188. The "55"
stood for 1955, the year Liberty began. "188" stood for record number
188, although Liberty had not actually released exactly that many 45's.
Many numbers were assigned but were not released, and on rare occasions
the same record number was used twice for different releases.
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Doc
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:41:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin
Subject: Re: Jerry Yester solo
Rikard sez:
› Jerry Yester peaked with his solo single "Ashes have
› turned". What an amazing tune! One of the top 3 soft
› rock singles of all time if you ask me. I don´t know
› when it was released or if Jerry wroteit himself, so if
› anyone has any info on that disc that´d be nice.
Here's some info I was able to dig up on Jerry
Yester's "Ashes Have Turned". It appears to be one of
the earliest collaborations between Jerry and his
then- (or soon-to-be) wife Judy Henske. It was
recorded probably in 1966 and released on Dunhill that
year or early '67, thereby predating FAREWELL
ALDEBARAN by at least a couple of years. And although
the track seems to have been the B side ("Sound of
Summer Showers" seems to have been the A side), it
appears on at least 2 CD compilations, one from Japan,
the other issued in both the US and UK.
Here is the raw data and a website reference:
Jerry Yester
(Dunhill-D-4042) 1966
Side A
The Sound Of Summer Showers (Erik Jacbsen)
Side B
Ashes Have Turned (Jerry Yester-Judy Henske
Yester)
Produced by Erik Jacobsen
Arranged by Jerry Yester
Guitar : Jerry Yester
Recorder on Summer Showers: Jerry Yester
Artie Butler : Piano
Drum: unknown
Bass: unknown
Vocal & Background vocals on Ashes Have Turned: Jerry
Yester
http://www.tctv.ne.jp/members/m-site/jerryyester/solo.html
Penny Arcade, Dunhill Folk Rock, Vol. 2
(Big Beat WIK 77) 1988
Side One
1. The Iguanas - This Is What I Was Made For
2. The Grass Roots - Let's Live For Today
3. Willie and The Wheels - Skateboard Craze
4. Mamas and Papas - Strange Young Girls
5. Barry McGuire - This Precious Time
6. MFQ - Don't You Wonder
7. Terry Black - How Many Girls
8. Jerry Yester - Ashes Have Turned
Side Two
1. MFQ - Night Time Girl
2. Thomas Group - Penny Arcade
3. Hal Blaine - Secret Agent Man
4. Mamas and Papas - No Salt On Her Tail
5. Barry McGuire - California Dreamin
6. The Grass Roots - You're A Lonely Girl
7. The Lamp of Childhood - No More Running Around
8. Jerry Yester - I Can Live Without You
CD "SOUND OF SUMMER SHOWERS"
MCA Victor MVCM-387, Japan '93
California dreamin' - Mamas & Papas / I had a dream
last night - MFQ / Don't you wonder - MFQ / Sound of
summer showers - Jerry Yester / Ashes have turned -
Jerry Yester / Younger girl - Critters / Mr. dieingly
sad - Critters / From a distance - P.F. Sloan / I
found a girl - P.F. Sloan / The sins of a family -
P.F. Sloan / Eve of destruction * - Barry McGuire /
Season of the witch - Lamp Of Childhood / I can live
without you - Jerry Yester / Garden of imagining -
Jerry Yester / Night time girl - MFQ / Sunflower,
sunflower - P.F. Sloan / A melody for you - P.F. Sloan
/ Ordinary girl * - Terry Black / No more turning
around - Lamp Of Childhood / I'd wait a million years
- Grassroots / Don't pull your love - Hamilton, Joe
Frank & Reynolds / Tracy - Cufflinks / Bad
misunderstanding - Critters / Marryin' kind of love -
Critters / Incense and peppermints - Strawberry Alarm
Clock / Dedicated to the one I love - Mamas & Papas /
Dream a little dream with me - Mama Cass / Twelve
Thirty - Mamas & Papas
kjm in la
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:44:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Hanes
Subject: Re: Two Dolphin labels / The Ventures
Me:
> Actually, the Ventures, Walk Don't Run was on Dolphin in the
> first place and changed to Dolton in mid run, I think! Was
> there a Ventures release before WDR? It seems like there was,
> but I sold off all my Ventures 45s and don't remember if there
> was a second Ventures on Dophin.
Mikey:
> This is incorrect. "Walk Dont Run" was first released on Blue
> Horizon Records, which was owned by guitarist Don Wilson and his
> mom, Joise. Dolton Records bought WDR from them, and it NEVER
> appeared on a Dolphin label.
My mistake, I apologize. I did admit that I was probably wrong in my
first post though, so I apparently knew I was full of horsefeathers.
Blue Horizon! Yeah! It was a lovely looking label, as was the Dolphin
label as well Thanks again for the correction Mikey!
The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel,
Church of the Harmonic Overdub
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:09:21 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Re: Talk about Mi...na / Morricone, etc.
Hi Everybody.
Much thanks to Steve Crump for the information about Mina's
songs in English.
I know all the songs by Mina you mention in your message, but I
didn´t know the UK and American LPs you cite. Could you please
tell me what are the four exclusive themes included in the
Regalia record?.
I´ve never heard the song "L'Amore Gira" by Rosy, that you cite in
your message. I´ll try to find it.
Refering to Morricone work for RCA in the early sixties, I love
particularly the way he uses the strings, usually with a lot of
aggression.
Some sixties songs arranged by Morricone that I like very much
are Mina's "Se telefonando" (1966) which is wonderfully dizzy,
and Luigi Tenco's very moving "Quello que conta"(1962).
Also, almost every movie soundtrack that he created in the
sixties for Italian B movies had many great moments, but that is
another subject.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:28:34 -0000
From: Mark T
Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett
Bill:
> So are you arguing that anything that sells is good? I
> have some Celine Dion and Mariah Carey CDs I'll sell you
> .... :)
No, I would never make that argument. I don't really think
there is much recorded in the last 25 or so years that I would
constitute as being good. What I'm saying is that a "raw" sound
is not necessarily the most commercial. I learned in a sociology
class in high school that matters of taste can never be argued.
My taste is towards ultra-commercial, over-produced pop.
Personally, I don't care for Elvis until his late 60s Memphis
recordings. For my taste, the more orchestration, the better.
I'm not saying that there aren't great songs without it, only that
those songs would sound even better (to me) with it. Look for the
name Al Capps on a record and you can rarely go wrong!
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:31:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Clairifyin'
Alan Gordon:
> Maybe I'm just not a good enough poet, but words don't
> adequately describe those feelings for me, not even when
> uttered by poets like Carole King, or Jackson Browne, or
> Shakespeare, or Rainier Rilke, or Lao Tsu.
Isn't the point where words fail a perfectly legitimate,
and even traditional, theme for poets and lyricists?
As in ...
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Oh how short speech falls, and how feeble
"for my conception which, after what I saw,
"cannot even be described as 'little.'
"O light eternal who in yourself alone
"abide, and alone know yourself and, known
"to yourself, love and smile on yourself!"
[ -- Dante Alighieri "Paradiso," Canto XXXIII
(W.S. Merwin version)]
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Oh, dear! If I could only say what I mean,
"That is, if I could mean what I say,
"That is, I mean to say that
"I mean to say that ..."
[E.Y. Harburg "I Like The Likes of You"]
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"You're much too much
"And just too 'very very'
"To ever be in Webster's Dictionary"
[Johnny Mercer "Too Marvellous For Words"]
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Not, of course, that I ever thought to see Jackson Browne
equated with Rainer Maria Rilke ...
Chris
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:25:22 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Re: Bad Lines/So Lonely
Mike McKay wrote:
> How about when you address TWO DIFFERENT people as "you"
> in the course of one verse of the same song?! Witness
> "So Lonely" by The Hollies
I totally forgot about that one! It always did bother me how they
kept switching like that, as if they couldn't make up their minds
just what this song was supposed to be about. I know the Everly
Brothers did a cover of this--produced by The Hollies, right?--
but I haven't heard it. Did Don and Phil change the lyrics?
I always loved the 12-string guitar on this Hollies track, but
the lyrics are so poor that I never could truly enjoy it.
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:34:52 -0000
From: Mark T
Subject: Orpheus
Question for the Orpheus fans, which there are obviously a few
on here: I have the double CD that came out in England years ago.
Is it missing any essential songs? I know it doesn't have a great
deal of the last album on Bell but from what I've been told that
wasn't really the full group at that point and they had a different
sound.
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:36:19 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Sex and Food
Paul Bryan wrote:
> "Well, the Association was not the first to make a connection
> between food and sex - I believe Sigmund Freud has whole
> chapters on the subject. But the definitive food/sex song has
> got to be one of my fave 1965 hits, Bread and Butter by the
> Newbeats...".
Although it may seem incredible,the food/sex connection
probably has its foundation in Biology. According to the
biologist Lynn Margulis, sexuality (in the sense of the
fusion of genes from distinct individuals) probably comes
from cannabalism between micro-organisms that after devouring
their own kind suffered some sort of indigestion and so were
left the duplicated genes. Then separating again in two parts
and becoming fully functional genes.
At least in Castillian (Spanish), I don't know if in English,
there are a lot of expressions associating sex and food, for
example: to be good/well (estar bueno/a) or to be to eat him/her
(estar para comérselo) equally express the idea of being sexually
and gastronomically tempting or desirable, etc., etc.
A song that plays to perfection with this subject is "The
Sucettes" (S. Gainsbourg) by France Gall, 1966, otherwise
known as the perverse naive girl, a track about sucking on
sweets (candies) that has clear connotations with oral sex.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:27:22 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Re: Rokes / Yardbirds
C. Ponti wrote:
> Remember gli Rokes? In around '66 I was in Italy and was
> really taken by their version of "(La la la la la la) Live
> For Today", originally by the Yardbirds. I often wondered,
> did the Rokes lease the track and put their vocals on it?
> Because the track is identical to the Yarbirds' original.
The Yardbirds? Really? I've never read or heard anything about
that, and believe me, I am well informed about The Yardbirds!
Can you give me any info on the Yardbirds' version?
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:07:05 EST
From: John Berg
Subject: Re: Neighb'rhood Childr'n / Phil's Spectre / Clydie King
Neighborhood Children were actually from Oregon, but you are
certainly right that the CD/LP (on Sundazed) is great. Their
version of Louie Louie is totally different from anybody else's
and alone worth the CD price.
John Berg
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