Spectropop - Digest Number 1183

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• Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Bad Lines
           From: S.J. Dibai 
      2. Neighb'rhood Childr'n / Phil's Spectre / Clydie King
           From: Art Longmire 
      3. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Bill George 
      4. Re: Talk about Mi...na
           From: C. Ponti 
      5. Re: Spector / Spoonful connection
           From: C. Ponti 
      6. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Bill George 
      7. Re: Aldon Music Staffers
           From: steveo 
      8. Re: Bewitched
           From: steveo 
      9. Harold Logan murder
           From: steveo 
     10. Re: Two Dolphin labels / The Ventures
           From: Mikey 
     11. Re: Two Dolphin labels / Ventures & Fleetwoods
           From: Joe Nelson 
     12. Re: Bad Lines
           From: Steve Harvey 
     13. Re: The Ventures
           From: Dan Hughes 
     14. Re: Orpheus
           From: Tom 
     15. Re: Bad Lines
           From: David Goodwin 
     16. Re: Dusty movie?
           From: Simon Bell 
     17. Re: Bad Lines
           From: Paul Bryant 
     18. Orpheus & Alan Lorber @ Musica
           From: Tom 


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Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:03:27 -0000
   From: S.J. Dibai 
Subject: Re: Bad Lines

Paul Bryant wrote:
> Continuing the bad grammar thread -
> "All the things they said were wrong are what I want to be"
> 
> .....well, I know what he means, but, does it make any sense?

It makes more sense than "I find comments 'bout my looks 
irrelativity"!

S.J. Dibai



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Message: 2
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:26:45 -0000
   From: Art Longmire 
Subject: Neighb'rhood Childr'n / Phil's Spectre / Clydie King

Does anybody else on Spectropop have this CD? The reason I'm asking 
is because after getting this a week ago it's unexpectedly become my 
favorite album of the moment-especially the song "Patterns" which is 
a quintessential, terrific San Francisco psych number.

What's strange is I had a song on this album on a mix tape from more 
than 20 years ago and never knew it was by this group.

Also picked up the "Phil's Spectre" CD, and wanted to single out the 
song "Missin' My Baby" by Clydie King-that song is just the ultimate 
in greatness. I have a later record that she did on Lizard Records 
but it's nowhere near as outstanding-I need to hear more of her 
earlier recordings.

Art Longmire




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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:45:29 EST
   From: Bill George 
Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett

Me:
> True, (Snuff Garrett) made some classics, but many of the records
> he produced would have been much better left alone.

Phil Milstein;
> Y'mean like Gary Lewis?

I was referring more to acts like Eddie Cochran. I have to admit I'm 
not very familiar with Gary Lewis' canon. Cochran apparently hated 
the strings and sweeteners that were added to his records. I guess 
Snuff was trying to make his rock n roll more "pop" and mainstream, 
but it often came out as watered down.



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Message: 4
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:48:35 -0000
   From: C. Ponti 
Subject: Re: Talk about Mi...na

Julio Niño wrote:
> I've been listening this afternoon to some tracks sung in English 
> by Mina..........."Il cielo..." is a perfect song, composed by the 
> ultracool Gino Paoli (whose version of the song, arranged and 
> conducted by Ennio Morricone, is so beautiful that it's scary).

Patrick Rands:
> Hi Julio, I can't help you out with your Mina question, but I do 
> agree that Gino Paoli's version of "Il cielo in una stanza" is 
> astounding. I played that and many other great songs this past May 
> on a 1960s Italian music spotlight radio show...

Hey Patrick! Remember gli Rokes? In around '66 I was in Italy and was 
really taken by their version of "(La la la la la la) Live For Today", 
originally by the Yardbirds. I often wondered, did the Rokes lease 
the track and put their vocals on it? Because the track is identical 
to the Yarbirds' original.



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Message: 5
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:55:13 -0000
   From: C. Ponti 
Subject: Re: Spector / Spoonful connection

Steve Harvey wrote:
> Hey, I knew, but then the Spoons were my favorite band. I seem 
> to recall something about Phil sitting in on piano at the gig.
> 
> In 1967 I made my first trip to the Village to see my aunt's 
> new place there. Visited the Night Owl which was still a club 
> at that time. Hung around all day and went to see the show that 
> night. While I'm watching it who should come in, but all, but 
> one of the Turtles ('cept Howard). They were riding high at the 
> time with some tune by That Alan Gordon.

And you know that Gary Bonner got his start playing at the Night Owl 
as part of The Magicians? They used to open for the Spoonful, as did 
the Strangers with Kenny Altman and Peter Galway.



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Message: 6
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:57:28 EST
   From: Bill George 
Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett

Mark T. writes:
> I love records with string orchestras and I think the productions
> sound cheap without them. All a matter of taste and obviously his
> stuff sold in great numbers so you my friend are in the minority.

I love some records with string orchestras too. But try to imagine 
Elvis' Sun sides with an orchestra added. it would reek, not rock. 
My point was that some rock and roll records were turned into softer 
pop tracks by diluting them with strings and sweeteners. Sometimes 
it worked, sometimes it didn't.

> I always laugh when people look for the crappy b-sides and 
> throwaway songs with no commercial appeal and they consider those
> to be the "good songs". Well there's a reason well-produced records
> are called "commercial". That's because the majority of people want
> to hear that.

So are you arguing that anything that sells is good? I have some 
Celine Dion and Mariah Carey CDs I'll sell you .... :)

- Bill



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Message: 7
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:31:58 -0800 (PST)
   From: steveo 
Subject: Re: Aldon Music Staffers

Artie Wayne wrote:
> When I was signed to Aldon music [1959-1961] I wasn't much of a 
> songwriter or musician. Al Nevins and Donnie Kirshner convinced 
> my mother that I shouldn't go to college but learn the music 
> business, that I wanted so much to be part of, from the street 
> level. As a wide-eyed 17 year old, I sat everyday in Aldon Music's 
> 1650 B'way office and became freindly with most of the writers 
> who were signed....... Neil Sedaka and Howie Greenfield [who helped 
> me develop as a lyric writer],Cynthia Weil and Barry Mann [who taught 
> me how to sing harmony],Gerry Goffin and Carole King [who showed me 
> how to make demos], Jack Keller, Larry Kolber [one of my first 
> collaborators], Russ Teitleman, Brooks Arthur, Billy Michelle, 
> Charles Koppleman and Don Rubin and a 14 year old Toni Wine.
>  
> It was a magical time and although I didn't get one cover record,
> I learned more about songwriting than I ever could've in school.
> The Aldon music offices were magical as well. When the company was 
> bought by ScreenGems, they moved out of the building and Koppleman 
> and Rubin moved in. When they moved out, my partner, Kelli Ross, and 
> I moved in and for the next 5 years ran Allouette Prods.

Ccol story, Artie. Was Bacharach around at all at that time in that 
building?

steveo



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Message: 8
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:11:56 -0800 (PST)
   From: steveo 
Subject: Re: Bewitched

> Peggy Lee did a good rendition of the Bewitched theme song years 
> ago. I have it, and it is worth looking for.

> Funny, but I was looking at the show's credits the other day.  
> There is no vocal version on the shows titles and I don't ever 
> remember hearing one - but I'd love to hear Peggy's.

The composer Jack Keller sang it on a 1965 release on a Colpix 45.

steveo



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Message: 9
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:19:39 -0800 (PST)
   From: steveo 
Subject: Harold Logan murder

Anybody know the story on the murder of Lloyd Price's manager and 
co-writer, Harold Logan in the late 60's?



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Message: 10
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:30:52 -0500
   From: Mikey 
Subject: Re: Two Dolphin labels / The Ventures

Bob Hanes:
> Actually, the Ventures, Walk Don't Run was on Dolphin in the 
> first place and changed to Dolton in mid run, I think!  Was 
> there a Ventures release before WDR?  It seems like there was, 
> but I sold off all my Ventures 45s and don't remember if there 
> was a second Ventures on Dophin.

This is incorrect. "Walk Dont Run" was first released on Blue 
Horizon Records, which was owned by guitarist Don Wilson and his 
mom, Joise. Dolton Records bought WDR from them, and it NEVER 
appeared on a Dolphin label.

Mikey



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Message: 11
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:55:26 -0500
   From: Joe Nelson 
Subject: Re: Two Dolphin labels / Ventures & Fleetwoods

> Actually, the Ventures, Walk Don't Run was on Dolphin in the first 
> place and changed to Dolton in mid run, I think!  Was there a 
> Ventures release before WDR?  It seems like there was, but I sold 
> off all my Ventures 45s and don't remember if there was a second 
> Ventures on Dophin.

That late? WDR came out well after thew switch occurred. Maybe there
was some leftover Dolphin label stock at Liberty and it inadvertently
got used on the first run - the two designs WERE virtually identical.

Every copy of the Fleetwoods' "Come Softly To Me" I've ever seen was 
on Dolphin, although I'm sure there are Dolton's out there (hey, I have 
yet to run into a Rocky Road pressing of Climax's "Precious And Few"). 
A few years ago, someone sent me a label scan of the Liberty stereo 
single of CSTM.

Joe Nelson



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Message: 12
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:38:49 -0800 (PST)
   From: Steve Harvey 
Subject: Re: Bad Lines

Scott Charbonneau wrote:
> Another gem from Dylan, this one from "Million
> Dollar Bash":
> I looked at my watch, I looked at my wrist
> I punched myself in the face with my fist.

Ah, but is really better than, "his cheese in his chunk and his 
cheese in his cash" from the same song.



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Message: 13
   Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:57:06 -0600
   From: Dan Hughes 
Subject: Re: The Ventures

Paul asks,
> My Billboard Book of Top 40 hits gives a measly 6 hits to the 
> Ventures...  When you [Mikey] say they had 17 charted singles, 
> what are you actually referring to?

The Ventures had 14 singles which charted in the Billboard Hot 100. 
Don't know about the other three.

However, I think the Ventures sold a lot more albums than singles. 
Thousands of kids who thought they would someday play great guitar 
bought those Ventures albums to try to learn how to do it.

---Dan



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Message: 14
   Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:28:40 -0000
   From: Tom 
Subject: Re: Orpheus

Clark Besch wrote:
> Tom, I so agree with needing to have the "uncovered" "Can't Find the 
> Time" and the "anatomy" "Never seen love like this" versions!  They 
> are so, so cool to hear how two great songs were produced step by 
> step.  

Yeah, I was really surprised to find out that "I've Never Seen 
Love..." didn't even chart. It had all the elements to be a mega hit 
of the day.

I love the chunky acoustic guitars, stand-up bass and Bernard 
Purdie's funky drum fills. It remains the epitome of their early folk-
meets-pop-meets-jazz sound.

Dare I say, it may even equal their classic, "Can't Find The Time".

Tom



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Message: 15
   Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:43:07 -0600
   From: David Goodwin 
Subject: Re: Bad Lines

Thought I'd add to the insanity.

>From the Association's self-titled album, and the obviously-a-joke-
but-still-fun song, Broccoli:

"I like to eat it with my mouth, tastes so good.
I like to eat it with my mouth, it's my favorite food."

With "food" pronounced so that it rhymes with "good."

Actually, now that I think about it, the really odd part about that 
couplet's more of the "eat it with my mouth" concept. I mean, what 
else is he gonna eat it with?

-David



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Message: 16
   Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:40:16 -0000
   From: Simon Bell 
Subject: Re: Dusty movie?

Mary wrote:
> Does anyone know what's going on with the movie (not sure of the 
> name of it). It will be about my favorite singer Dusty Springfield, 
> and staring Joely Fisher???? How is it going if at all? I met Dusty 
> in 66 she was such a Great lady. A really nice lady to chat with. 
> We miss her dearly. Only wished she had made a Christmas LP.

There are in fact two projects to make movies about Dusty. One in the 
UK with Michelle Collins, and the one you referred to, in the States 
with Joely Fisher. Both projects appear to be still happening. I keep 
my DUSTYNEWS page updated regularly at:
http://www.simonbell.com/Dustydevoteldy.html



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Message: 17
   Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:13:26 -0800 (PST)
   From: Paul Bryant 
Subject: Re: Bad Lines

> You Are The Sunshine Of My Life must've been an accident. It was 
> flawless.

> Hate to disagree (and apologize for getting into the 70s), but 
> that song included one of Stevie's bad lyrical trademarks --
> accenting the wrong syllable of a word:  "...because you came to 
> my res-CUE".  Same as in I Wish ("...why did those days e-VER have 
> to go").

Regarding Stevie - can someone enlighten me about something which has 
been a puzzle since around 1966? "Uptight, everything is all right" 
sings Stevie - but "uptight" doesn't mean "all right" does it? It's
ancient 60s slang meaning the very opposite to all right! 

pb



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Message: 18
   Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:35:07 -0000
   From: Tom 
Subject: Orpheus & Alan Lorber @ Musica

Since the Big Beat compilation has been discontinued for some time, I
thought I'd offer up this interesting bonus track to you Musica
listeners. It features producer Alan Lorber and composer Bruce Arnold
describing the construction of the Orpheus second single, "I've Never
Seen Love Like This" - a follow-up hit that never was.

Enjoy "(Anatomy of) I've Never Seen Love Like This" from the 1995 2CD
Big Beat compilation "The Best of Orpheus" (CDWIK2 143).

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/

Tom



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