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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
From: Phil Milstein
2. Re: The Ventures
From: Mikey
3. Re: Orpheus
From: Tom
4. Re: Aldon Music Staffers
From: Bryan
5. Darlene Love Christmas Show
From: Joe Somsky
6. Re: Two Dolphin labels / The Ventures
From: Bob Hanes
7. The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
From: Simon White
8. Baby Jean On Stacy
From: Lee Miller
9. Re: Bad Lines
From: Deena J Canale
10. Re: Bad Lines
From: Chris
11. Re: Bad Lines
From: David Mirich
12. Re: Orpheus / Walk Away Renee
From: Bill Craig
13. Jerry Yester solo
From: Rikard
14. Re: Bad Lines
From: Lapka Larry
15. Re: Two Dolphin labels
From: Joe Nelson
16. Isley Meets Bacharach
From: Simon Bell
17. Re: For all the honest world to feel
From: Sandy Miller
18. Dusty movie?
From: Mary
19. Re: Orpheus
From: Clark Besch
20. More stories/Phil Spector/Barbara Streisand/the Beatles
From: Artie Wayne
21. Re: Bad Lines
From: Ian Chippett
22. Re: Bad Lines
From: John Fox
23. Re: Bad Lines
From: Mike McKay
24. In the news...
From: Country Paul
25. Re: Bad Lines
From: phoenixcanada2001
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:13:27 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
Another one for the He Hit Me list:
The Cookies: Chains
--Phil M.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:15:06 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: The Ventures
I wrote:
> What people forget is that The Ventures had a whopping 17
> charted singles from 1960 to 1970...yet they are known in
> the business as album sellers.
Paul Bryant:
> Whew! I'm impressed. However, my Billboard Book of Top 40 hits
> gives a measly 6 hits to the Ventures, commencing with "Walk
> Don't Run" in 1960, and ending with "Hawaii-Five-O" in 1969.
> When you say they had 17 charted singles, what are you actually
> referring to?
Top 100 Charting Singles By The Ventures:
Walk Dont Run
Perfidia
Lullaby of the Leaves
Ram Bunk Shush
Blue Moon
Silver City
Yellow Jacket
Instant Mashed
Secret Agent Man
Lolita Ya Ya
The 2000 lb Bee
Journey to the Stars
Walk Dont Run '64
Slaughter On 10th Ave
Pedal Pusher
Hawaii-5-0
Theme From A Summer Place
Mikey
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:47:39 -0000
From: Tom
Subject: Re: Orpheus
Orion wrote:
> The Big Beat version though, which you can still find, is the best,
> encompassing two CDs. I have it and it is definitely one of the few
> CDs I would not part with.
The Ace/Big Beat compilation is definitely worth getting if only for
the "uncovered" version of "Can't Find The Time", which strips off
Lorber's orchestration. I also really liked the track, "(Anatomy of)
I've Never Seen Love Like This". I assume it came from some early
radio interview - probably done for WOR.
My only problem with the Big Beat set is sound quality. Compare the
first few seconds of the track, "Congress Alley" with the version on
Varese's newer 24-bit remastered compilation and you'll see what I
mean. The Big Beat mix sounds muddy. Unfortunately, Akarma Records
reused this older mix for their 2001 release, "The Complete Orpheus".
But don't let that steer you away. The Akarma collection is still
essential since it is the only one to contain the group's entire
fourth album plus a great 1971 bonus track.
So until someone decides to release a definitive box set with
remastered sound and all the bonus goodies, die-hard fans will have to
seek out all three compilations.
Tom
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:01:02 -0800
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: Aldon Music Staffers
Joe Nelson wrote:
> I know when [Charles Koppleman and Donald Rubin] got into music
> publishing they named a company Chardon
Yep, though I believe Don Reubin's name was spelled with an "eu."
I can also tell you that this was the publishing company that Bob
Keane of Del-Fi went to for a couple of songs for the Bobby Fuller
Four's last single, once it became clear that Bobby Fuller wasn't
going to be able to come up with any follow-up hits of his own
(after first covering Sonny Curtis' "I Fought The Law" and Buddy
Holly's "Love's Made A Fool Of You," a song that Holly had demoed
in his Manhattan apartment before signing on for a headlining slot
on the ill-fated Winter Dance Party...it was later recorded by the
Crickets in 1961, and featured on the same side of the LP where
Fuller had first found "I Fought The Law").
It was Keane's general manager at Mustang Records - Ron Roessler -
who had known both Charles Koppleman and Don Reubin of Chardon,
dating back when he had been over at Roulette Records. Keane and
Fuller visited Koppleman and Reubin and selected two songs for what
turned out to be the last BF4 single: "I'm A Lucky Guy," and "The
Magic Touch," the latter a song penned by Ted Daryll, who had
written the Shangri-La's' "He Cried," which was currently on the
charts.
Bryan
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:41:16 -0000
From: Joe Somsky
Subject: Darlene Love Christmas Show
Hi Fans,
Hope to see you all at the
Darlene Love Solid Gold Christmas Show
Symphony Space
Broadway at 95th Street
Manhattan
8pm Friday December 19th
Joe
Ellie Greenwich Fan Club
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:43:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Hanes
Subject: Re: Two Dolphin labels / The Ventures
Actually, the Ventures, Walk Don't Run was on Dolphin in the first place
and changed to Dolton in mid run, I think! Was there a Ventures release
before WDR? It seems like there was, but I sold off all my Ventures 45s
and don't remember if there was a second Ventures on Dophin.
The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel,
Church of the Harmonic Overdub
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:58:04 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul 24-7.com
This SUNDAY 21st DECEMBER 2003 on SOUL 24-7
THE METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW
AT 2pm - 4pm GMT
2 solid hours of 60s, 70s but mainly Northern Soul
Click on - http://www.soul24-7.com/index.htm
This week The Utterly Marvellous Simon White
ANY REQUESTS, DEDICATIONS, GIG ANNOUNCEMENTS ETC TO THE
ABOVE ADDRESS BEFORE SUNDAY 12.00 OR ON AIR AT:
studio@soul24-7.com
Rilleh!
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:32:31 -0000
From: Lee Miller
Subject: Baby Jean On Stacy
Hi Guys 'n' Gals,
I recently heard a couple of tracks on a comp and immediately
fell in love with the voice.
The artist was 'Baby Jean' the tracks were "If You Wanna" &
"Oh Johnny". As far as I can work out it was released on the
"STACY Records" label distributed by United Artists with
release number 505.
I now need to track a 45 down. Can anyone help.
Seasons Greetings to you all and keep up the fantastic work.
My knowledge is growing every day, thanks to you guys.
Regards
Lee Miller
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:31:56 -0500
From: Deena J Canale
Subject: Re: Bad Lines
Speaking of Darlene Love...this isn't necessarily a bad line,
but I always found it a strange one:
He smiled at me and gee, the music started playing
"Here comes the bride" when he walked through the door.
I *know* what the writers were getting at, but that's not the
kind of song one would normally hear when a *guy* walked through
the door (even in one's own head), unless it was a gay wedding.
Signed D.C.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:36:46 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Bad Lines
> .... the culprit is Spectropop favourite Jackie DeShannon:
> "I close my eyes for a second and pretend it's me you want
> Meanwhile I try to act so nonchalant."
I'm not so crazy about it, either. But for me the problem
isn't the quality of the rhyming so much as it is the
inappropriate, second-hand diction.
For most of the song we're in jangly, Byrds-ish territory.
Suddenly, though, we're dealing with a speaker who might as
well be "fighting vainly the old ennui". Huh?
(An Aside: I love Will Friedwald's joke when he claims that Anita
O'Day, singing those words, is actually singing "the Olden Wee".)
Did somebody suddenly start playing a record of "Sophisticated Lady"
while this was being written?
Chris
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:24:10 -0700
From: David Mirich
Subject: Re: Bad Lines
Brian Wilson has written exquisite lyrics such as "Till I Die".
But I get a kick out of his "Love You" songs. "Johnny Carson"
has a line that goes something like; "Ed Macmahon comes on and
says 'Here's Johnny!' -- The things he says they are so funny."
Or on "Solar System," "Solar system, brings you wisdom."
Another Bad Line is from Mike Love's song on Surf's Up which
talks about an "ecological aftermath". There are several others
by Brian and the Boys that bring a smile that don't come to mind
right now.
Dave Mirich
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:24:14 -0000
From: Bill Craig
Subject: Re: Orpheus / Walk Away Renee
Art Longmire wrote:
> ..."Walk Away Renee"...Regarding the Left Banke's original, I
> have to say it is one of my all-time favorite songs-love the
> strings, love Steve Martin's vocals, this is one of the songs
> that got me into music as a boy. To me it's musical perfection.
> I think the only cover version I can remember hearing is the
> Four Top's version from '67 or '68 - I have the 45 and I think
> that Levi Stubbs gives the song a more mature feel that also
> suits it very well. But the Left Banke's original is definitive,
> in my opinion.
Art, I completely agree with your assessment of The Left Banke's
"Walk Away Renee". I've never heard the Orpheus version but am
certainly curious about it. I play and sing in a '60s cover band
and we do both "I Can't Find The Time" and "W.A.R."(not to be
confused with the Edwin Starr "Good God y'all, what is it good
for?"), and they are always big crowd favorites. So... if one were
to combine the Orpheus element with the "Walk Away Renee" element..
as Brian Wilson might say "Whew!".
Bill Craig
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:38:36 -0000
From: Rikard
Subject: Jerry Yester solo
I totally agree that "Farewell Aldebaran" is a lost masterpiece. But
to me, Jerry Yester peaked with his solo single "Ashes have turned".
What an amazing tune! One of the top 3 soft rock singles of all time
if you ask me. I donīt know when it was released or if Jerry wrote
it himself, so if anyone has any info on that disc thatīd be nice.
/Rikard
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:25:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Lapka Larry
Subject: Re: Bad Lines
Dear Scott:
Thanks for the rundown on Bobby Shafto. You're dilligience has made
my day.
Dear Paul:
I always thought the lyrics to "The Beat Goes On" were more stream
of consciousness than anything that were directly linked to making
any "sense". Personally, I love both the lyrics and the song, but I
won't rank the lyrics up there with anything that I believe was more
thought out, such as much of Dylan's or even Lennon and McCartney's
canon.
Larry Lapka
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:41:49 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Two Dolphin labels
> ...Anyone have any details on the 1958 murder of John Dolphin?
> John Dolphin owned Dolphin's of Hollywood, a record store on
> Central at Vernon Avenue down in the black section of L.A. He
> was also the owner of a small label, Dolphin Records, among
> others.
> Were The Fleetwoods ever on Dolphin? Based on the history of its
> owner it seems unlikely, but I can picture the 45 "Come Softly To
> Me" as being on a label with a similar name. Maybe Doltone? They
> were on more than one label, were they not? I could Google The
> Fleetwoods and get this info but you S'Poppers are a better source.
I asked a similar question earlier. Nobody responded directly, but I
think it came out from reading between the lines. "Come Softly To Me"
was on Dolphin Records originally, but the label changed its name to
Dolton after that. I suspect this was under legal pressure another
Dolphin label. This apparently explains the Dolton "fish" logo - it
was the original dolphins, never changed when the name changed.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:49:44 -0000
From: Simon Bell
Subject: Isley Meets Bacharach
Has anyone heard the new album - "Here I Am, Isley Meets Bacharach"?
It's a masterpiece produced & arranged by Burt, with vocals from
Ronald Isley of the Isley Brothers. He does staggering versions of
Alfie, In Between The Heartaches, Make It Easy On Yourself,
The Look of Love, Anyone Who Had A Heart & others.
Check out a couple of samples at Amazon:
http://tinyurl.com/3xvvv
Simon
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:44:50 EST
From: Sandy Miller
Subject: Re: For all the honest world to feel
Hi...My name is Sandy Miller and I've been lurking for several
months, thoroughly enjoying the multitude of threads being hashed
over here. I'm constantly startled by the knowledge and talent of
so many on this site. There is much I don't know, little I do,
but my interest is great and I'm a huge fan of '60s music and
appreciating all I'm learning. I couldn't resist responding to
Rashkowsky's challenge for Adelson to name the song containing the
words, "for all the honest world to feel". I believe it's from
"Pancho and Lefty" recorded by both Emmylou Harris and Willie
Nelson and others I'm sure.
Also agree with comments about Laura Nyro's "New York Tendaberry".
I was fortunate enough to secure tickets for her first Carnegie
Hall concert circa 1969/70 and sat in the first row in total awe.
I love all her music and hearing her perform live was unforgettable.
Warmest regards to all,
Sandy
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:04:47 -0000
From: Mary
Subject: Dusty movie?
Does anyone know what's going on with the movie (not sure of the name
of it). It will be about my favorite singer Dusty Springfield, and
staring Joely Fisher???? How is it going if at all? I met Dusty in 66
she was such a Great lady. A really nice lady to chat with. We miss
her dearly. Only wished she had made a Christmas LP.
Thank you...
Mary
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:30:37 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Orpheus
Tom wrote:
> The Ace/Big Beat compilation is definitely worth getting if only for
> the "uncovered" version of "Can't Find The Time", which strips off
> Lorber's orchestration. I also really liked the track, "(Anatomy of)
> I've Never Seen Love Like This". I assume it came from some early
> radio interview - probably done for WOR. So until someone decides to
> release a definitive box set with remastered sound and all the bonus
> goodies, die-hard fans will have to seek out all three compilations.
Tom, I so agree with needing to have the "uncovered" "Can't Find the
Time" and the "anatomy" "Never seen love like this" versions! They
are so, so cool to hear how two great songs were produced step by
step. Producers and artists frequenting this page would have
stories, I'm sure, much like these. It would be great to hear
similar stories on Cd as a song was "built" by Artie Wayne, James
Holvay, etc. Of course, it works best with multitracking of 8 or
more, but even "pingponging" to mono stories can be fascinating too.
Take care, Clark
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:31:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: More stories/Phil Spector/Barbara Streisand/the Beatles
I want to thank all of you who have encouraged me to write up some
more of my experiences. I've been fortunate to have been a witness
and sometime participant in the musical history of the past four
decades.
My freind Allan Rinde has updated my website to include many Spectropop
favorites.....some new photos......and a special section devoted to my
art. I've also included on the dedication page, by name, all the
Spectropoppers who have helped me in the last year to regain my memory
and locate lost songs in my catalog.
Wishing you all the happiest of holidays,
regards, Artie Wayne
http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:37:01 EST
From: Ian Chippett
Subject: Re: Bad Lines
There's Bernie Taupin's immortal line in "Your Song" concerning
the sun (I imagine):
It's for people like you that keep it turned on.
Something missing here. Incidentally, the setting of the lyric is
not the most inspired:
And you can tell everybody
This is your song...
Why is there no stress on "your" rather than "song"? After all, it's
"Your" song rather than your "song". Whatever meaning the lyric may
have had in the first place vanishes at this point. I'm reminded of
the famous "What is this thing called, love?" and "I looked at you
and got that "old" feeling".
Ian Chippett
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:22:21 EST
From: John Fox
Subject: Re: Bad Lines
> You Are The Sunshine Of My Life must've been an accident. It
> was flawless.
Hate to disagree (and apologize for getting into the 70s), but
that song included one of Stevie's bad lyrical trademarks--
accenting the wrong syllable of a word: "...because you came to
my res-CUE". Same as in I Wish ("...why did those days e-VER
have to go").
John Fox
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:17:00 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Bad Lines
S.J. Dibai wrote:
> And then there's one songwriting device I simply cannot stand:
> switching from second person to third person (or vice versa) when
> you're talking about the same individual!
How about when you address TWO DIFFERENT people as "you" in the
course of one verse of the same song?! Witness "So Lonely" by The
Hollies, purportedly the first song Graham Nash and Alan Clarke ever
wrote together.
It starts out:
Every time I see you walkin' down the street with my girl
I get a funny feeling when I see you out with my girl
But then comes:
I get so lonely
I get so lonely without you
I get lonely for you
Suddenly, it seems, it's the girl that's being sung to rather than
the guy who stole her away! This continues in the next verse...
I see you every day and then I realize you're not mine
...and carries on all through the second verse as well as the bridge.
But then suddenly comes the last verse:
If you get tired of her just send her right on back to my arms
And then we'll start anew and know that we never will part
[uh, speaking of bad rhymes!]
Oops, now it's the guy again. Except then comes a return to the
chorus:
I get so lonely
I get so lonely without you
I get lonely for you
In spite of all this, "So Lonely" is a GREAT song -- a favorite among
many Hollies favorites of mine. Shimmering electric 12-string along
with monster tremolo playing an A2 chord (x02200)...doesn't get much
better than that!
Mike
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:46:32 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: In the news...
Two weeks behind, and no hope of catching up for a while, but these
two news items are worthy of attention:
First, in today's (Dec. 19, 2003) New York Times - with picture:
Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil may not be as famous as...P. Diddy,...but
he could only hope to write as many hits as this married songwriting
duo....
Many of [their] standards will make up the score of their new musical,
appropriately titled "Who Wrote That?" In the show, [they] joke,
bicker and dish about the stories behind the songs, which they sing
themselves. It starts performances at the McGinn/Cazale Theatre on
January 15th, directed by Richard Maltby....
Second, in today's Associated Press dispatches - also expanded in the
Newark [NJ] Star-Ledger, and also with picture:
She knows the way to San Jose - and East Orange as well.
Dionne Warwick, an East Orange, N.J., native, dropped by her old school
Thursday to give presents to every one of the 561 students and 77 staff
members.
The singer said she stayed up most of the night before wrapping the
gifts for those at the former Lincoln School, which since has been
renamed Dionne Warwick Institute of Economics and Entrepreneurship.
"You will never know how proud I am to be associated with you," said
Warwick, 63, who now lives in Brazil. "You have done magnificently."...
And that's the news,
Country Paul
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:47:52 -0000
From: phoenixcanada2001
Subject: Re: Bad Lines
I always find lyrics which conveniently input a person's name for
the ease of rhyming to be suspect....for example I present by The
Crystals:
'I love you Eddie
But so does Betty...'
Of course if the song was 'I Love You Terry' the rival would have
been 'Mary'. I'll give exceptions though, as in the Supremes
song 'Back In My Arms Again'...."and Flo, she don't know, cuz the
boy she loves is a Romeo". To me that one works wonderfully.
UNSIGNED
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