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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Christine Quaite
From: Ken Silverwood
2. Re: Chuck Berry
From: Paul Bryant
3. Re: Jeff Lynne
From: Martin Jensen
4. Beatles Stereo
From: Eddy
5. Pete Antell
From: Joe Nelson
6. Re: Lloyd Thaxton DVD
From: Scott Charbonneau
7. Lloyd Thaxton
From: Lou
8. Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies
From: Tom Taber
9. "You Gave Me Somebody To Love" - Dreamlovers
From: John Sellards
10. Re: Vinyl Junkies
From: Craig Davison
11. Re: Alvin Robinson
From: Paul Underwood
12. Re: Answer Songs
From: Andres
13. Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies
From: John Sellards
14. Thank YOU !
From: Austin Roberts
15. Chuck THIS !
From: Mike Rashkow
16. Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies
From: Ruby
17. Re: Jeff Lynne
From: Ruby
18. Don Ralke
From: Peter Richmond
19. Re: Sister Rosetta Tharpe
From: Richard Havers
20. Re: Most Inept Hit
From: Dave Heasman
21. Re: Ragin' Cajuns
From: Phil Milstein
22. Re: Lorna Dune / record busy-ness / female collectors
From: Phil Milstein
23. Re: ELO
From: Rob Stride
24. Mark Wirtz
From: That Alan Gordon
25. Knockout Vintage New Discoveries
From: Mark Tilley
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:49:24 -0000
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: Christine Quaite
So what label was Christine Quaite recording for, as Stateside
was an umbrella for U S labels. Didn't you just love to see
that dollar sign over the first S & the blue cover!
Ken On The West Coast.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:39:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Chuck Berry
Steveo wrote:
> There's no one like Chuck Berry for influence...
> that's for sure. Chuck says he was influenced by
> Muddy Waters....well, I think the whole rock scene
> was influenced by Chuck!
On the tv programme John & Yoko hosted for one night
Chuck was a guest and John introduced him by saying
"If it wasn't called rock & roll, it would be called
Chuck Berry Music."
pb
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:25:13 -0000
From: Martin Jensen
Subject: Re: Jeff Lynne
Mark Frumento wrote:
> I for one am glad to read posts in defense of Jeff Lynne.
> He may not technically be a great producer but he's like
> one of us getting a shot at producing (I mean us fans, not
> the rest you who were/are producers). Come to think of it
> I may be one of the few on Spectropop who never was a producer.
> Hmmmm? :>))
Me too, so my untrained ears may mislead me, but to me the music
of Lynne, whether it is Electric Light Orchestra, solo or in
terms of production, has always sounded quite good & well produced.
Especially some of the stuff from the second half of the 70s.
Though some might find it a bit polished and glossy.
I'm quite sure that Lynne knows quite a lot about production &
what to do in a studio. I've read somewhere that even as a teenager
living with his parents, he filled up his room with cables, tape
players, gadgets, mics, homemade consoles and the likes. AND, lest
we forget, he produced the Idle Race's second album by himself, so
he got into production at an early age...
With regards
Martin, Denmark
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:56:19 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Beatles Stereo
Joe Nelson:
> It seems to me the group had at least become aware that an
> alternative to mono existed by 1968, and used it to create two
> deliberately different versions of the White Album. (Some
> differences, such as the occasional odd overdub added to the
> stereo might be attributed to failure to mix out, but how does
> one explain the false fade on the stereo "Helter Skelter"?)
Personally I think the Beatles didn't have a clue that their
stereo versions were so different from their mono albums.
Eddy
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:09:55 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Pete Antell
I played Pete Antell's "Night Time" to musica earlier this
morning. I know nothing at all about the record, but someone
here is bound to know something.
Enjoy!
Joe Nelson
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:43:43 -0000
From: Scott Charbonneau
Subject: Re: Lloyd Thaxton DVD
Ed B wrote:
> I think a Lloyd Thaxton DVD set would be awesome.
> Growing up in Boston my vivid memory is The Turtles
> performing Grim Reaper of Love and We'll Meet Again.
I have a poor quality copy of the Turtles' "We'll Meet
Again" as well; it was part of a Flo and Eddie appearance
on a Lloyd Thaxton special 10 years or so later. It was a
shown as a warmup, if you will, prior to Howard and Mark
going into their then current single "Keep It Warm." After
the Turtles' clip, one of them says something to Lloyd along
the lines of "that was blackmail."
Scott
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:28:17 -0500
From: Lou
Subject: Lloyd Thaxton
Patricia:
> Attn all Lloyd Thaxton fans: Concerning those who have inquired
> about a DVD -- or (hint hint) DVDs, wouldn't a BOX SET be groovy?
> Below is a direct quote from the man himself rec'd just today:
>
> "I have all the material and am seriously considering it. If I
> could get more mail like yours, it would HAPPEN!"
>
> C'monnnnnnnnn everybody, LET THE BOMBARDMENT BEGIN!!! :)
Lloyd,
We are just a microcosmic group of die hard knuckleheads who are
dying to see your stuff on DVD but keep in mind that there are
thousands upon thousands who have purchased copies of "Hulabaloo",
"Ed Sullivan Show" DVDs as well as questionably legitimate [but
groovy] VHS tapes of "The Big T.N.T. Show" , "The T.A.M.I. Show",
etc from places on line like The Video Beat just so we can get a
generous dose of true historic Rock n' Roll greatness.
For all of this to happen during the Golden Age of Television is
the icing on the cake, and Lloyd, you are definitely a big chuck
of that golden age. Regardless of what the big 3 networks in the
U.S. think, the TV's golden age did not shine solely from their
asses. From seeing all of the comments sent by us Spectropoppers,
it seems that your show was syndicated so your memorable
broadcasts were felt far and wide so interest in obtain copies of
your shows would definitely be coast to coast ( not to mention all
of our Spectopop-minded brothers & sisters around the world).
Right now the general public have a notion that TV. dance parties
began and ended with American Bandstand. Dick Clark may be part of
this TV community but he didn't create the genre, it was guys like
you who made digging music on TV feel more regional. Even though
your show was syndicated, it still felt local (as opposed to
knowing that AB was first out of Philly & then L.A.) and that made
us young TV watchers feel more like we were connected to TV shows,
the hosts and the music.
In short, don't let the boneheads currently in charge of TV and
film tell the story of Rock 'n' Roll & TV. They will inevitable
over glamorize and get it all wrong. We need guys like you to
present the real deal.
Lou
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:28:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies
Paul Bryant wrote:
> And again, how many females have you known who collect music
> at all? It seems to be a boy thing, but I don't understand
> why as this seems to apply to all types of music.
As a collector of other people's hordes of 45s for about 35 years
now, it is my belief that around 75% of garage sale collections
of 50 to several hundred "records with the big holes" were
originally acquired by the fairer sex, especially those collections
that started around '56 with Elvis. Some still won't part with
their 45s, though they haven't played them in years (and often
now have no means of playing them!) I guess boys tend to stay
glued to their boyhood passions, while girls move on to other
duties, interests, and responsibilities.
Tom "Brown Shoes Surrounded by New Tuxedos" Taber
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:10:31 -0000
From: John Sellards
Subject: "You Gave Me Somebody To Love" - Dreamlovers
Here's another fill-in-the-blank thread...
What is the one vintage song you've recently discovered that
completely knocked you out? I mean one you've had to listen to over
and over (to the chagrin of your partner, perhaps) as you couldn't
get enough of it. Mine is "You Gave Me Somebody To Love" by the
Dreamlovers, which is an incredible record that seemed to be
derivative of something, but then I couldn't figure out what - it a
nice mixture of the Phil Spector and (perhaps?) something akin to
Freddie Scott's "Hey Girl". This is probably a fairly well-known
song, but I only discovered it recently.
John Sellards
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:20:38 -0000
From: Craig Davison
Subject: Re: Vinyl Junkies
Art Longmire wrote:
> I've skimmed over parts of the book, Mark -- it's intriguing,
> although I don't agree with everything he says. One statement
> made in the text really caught my eye -- someone was quoted as
> saying that there are no female record collectors! There's got
> to be some somewhere, although I personally don't know any ...
Well, gee whiz! They quoted Miriam Linna right on the Amazon page
for the book. She's very female!
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:23:20 +0100
From: Paul Underwood
Subject: Re: Alvin Robinson
Richard Williams wrote (about "Fever" being arranged by
Mike Stoller):
> I still want to know who played on it, though, and I haven't
> discounted a possible New Orleans connection, via Joe Jones.
> It doesn't sound like a Stoller chart to me.
Hi Richard,
I agree that it doesn't sound like Stoller, but that didn't stop
him and Jerry Leiber recycling the arrangement when they cut the
song with T Bone Walker in the early seventies. And they did the
same thing with the Coasters and "Down Home Girl". But it would
be interesting to know more about who did what on all these Alvin
Robinson recordings.
Paul
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:54:15 -0000
From: Andres
Subject: Re: Answer Songs
> But Chuck Berry had already answered his own song with "Little
> Marie". When and where was it released? I heard it on one of
> CB's "Rock And Roll Rarities" compilations.
>
> It's on the St Louis to Liverpool album (1964) and on several
> compilations, including the 1988 Chess box.
I have this LP, no Little Marie there...
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:21:49 -0000
From: John Sellards
Subject: Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies
> Tiny? I thought so! And again, how many females have you known
> who collect music at all? It seems to be a boy thing, but I
> don't understand why as this seems to apply to all types of
> music.
My wife actually grew up with stacks and stacks of 45s, as her
father was a musician and somebody had given them an oddball
collection. Things like "I Confess" by the New Colony Six, a Tim
Hardin record on Verve, and such. She doesn't mind me listening
to anything at all, because she heard a lot growing up - which
makes me very lucky, I think. So she doesn't actually collect,
but doesn't mind at all that I do...unlike a buddy of mine, who
has his entire record collection in his basement at his wife's
request.
John Sellards
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:36:29 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Thank YOU !
Michel Gignac writes:
> The list would be so long. Like I once told to Alan Gordon and
> other celebrities on this list, thank you all for giving us so
> much pleasure!
Hey Michel, the pleasure is mine. You folks know more about me
than I do, but it's great having the memory jolted, plus the info
on songs acts etc. all of you have is truly amazing to me.
Thank YOU! Austin
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:42:23 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Chuck THIS !
Workin' in a fillin' station
too many tasks
wipe the windows
check the tires
check the oil
a dollar gas
AND
Same thing everyday
gettin' up
goin' to school
ain't no need
complainin'
my objections
overruled
from "TOO MUCH MONKEY BUSINESS"
That's my Chuck Berry song...and couldn't the Coasters have torn
that up as well.
Of course, many readers will not remember when there was such a
thing as filling station attendants--AND--they wore uniforms. So
the first verse may not compute today, but he could get a lot
done in a few words.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:45:51 -0000
From: Ruby
Subject: Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies
Arrt Longmire wrote:
> someone was quoted as saying that there are no female record
> collectors! There's got to be some somewhere, although I
> personally don't know any ...
I'm a female record collector, not rabid by any means, but a
collector still, and have been since childhood. However, I don't
know of any other female record collector's right off the top of
my head, nor are any of my female friends as interested in the
minutiae of music that I am. Yet, I notice females on this
message board, so there are apparently some female record
collectors/spectropoppers/minutiae-lovers out there somewhere.
So, the question is - why aren't there more of us?
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:53:27 -0000
From: Ruby
Subject: Re: Jeff Lynne
Apparently I am not the only one who has to defend my ELO
collection. I have never really understood why ELO is consistently
shunned. I truly believe that you would have a hard time finding
anything as listenable or beautiful as "Living Thing" or "Can't Get
it Out of My Head." I'm not above saying that they were sometimes
over the top, but LORD HAVE MERCY - that's part of the appeal. At
least to me. It would be interesting, I think to hear some cover
versions of ELO songs just to see how they hold up to that test.
Also - the only band that I can think of whose sound owes any kind
of debt at all to ELO is Freiheit - can anyone think of anyone else?
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:36:13 -0000
From: Peter Richmond
Subject: Don Ralke
Country Paul wrote;
> A late welcome to you, Mr. Ralke Jr.
[Admin Note: Spectropopper Platch is in fact Don Ralke's daughter]
> May I propose a Don Ralke thread? Platch, what other goodies that
> we have discussed or would or should discuss here was he involved
> with? Connie Stevens, if I remember correctly....
Don Ralke arranged and conducted the main side of Bobby Hatfield's
first solo single "Hang Ups" (Mann/Weil), it is most likely that he
also arranged and conducted the other four tracks recorded by Bobby
Hatfield at the session on 15 March 1968 in Los Angeles.
The four remaining tacks from the session were unissued but three of
the titles will be very familiar, "I Can't Make It Alone" (Goffin/King),
"So Much Love" (Goffin/King) and "See That Girl" (Mann/Weil) - a song
traditionally associated with other Righteous Brother Bill Medley. The
other track was "She" which I guess maybe the McKuen/Garson song.
Peter Richmond.
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:18:08 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Wendy Flynn wrote:
> Can anyone recommend their favourite Sister Rosetta
> Tharpe LP - I'm not sure where to start with this formidable
> lady. Thanks!
Rather than an LP there is a 4 CD boxed set selling on Amazon for
about £14 of Sister Rosetta Tharpe. It's on the Proper label. It
includes wonderful tracks like "That's All" with Lucky Millender
and "This Train." Her guitar playing is superb but I also love
her sassy vocals, even in the Gospel material.
Rosetta Tharpe was the first big solo star of Gospel. She signed to
Decca in the autumn of 1938 and cut Dorsey’s "Rock Me" for her first
release. With guitar licks reminiscent of Lonnie Johnson and an
urgent and appealing voice, Rosetta became the first million selling
Gospel artist. Not to be outdone, she also took a walk on the wild
side, cutting "I Want A Small Skinny Papa" in 1942, proving that
Rosetta was just as at home with the Blues. While her stage show met
with criticism from some quarters, there was no doubting her
popularity; she was a pioneer. Mahalia Jackson and the Clara Ward
Singers would later carry the torch lit by Rosetta, who by 1943 was
calling herself Sister Rosetta Tharpe.
Richard
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:41:03 -0000
From: Dave Heasman
Subject: Re: Most Inept Hit
Paul Bryant wrote:
> Okay - what's your choice of the most badly performed song ever to
> become a hit? No contest surely, it's got to be Louie Louie by the
> Kingsmen - the drummer loses the beat at one point.
RP:
> "Angel Baby" by Rosie &The Originals
Rashkovsky:
> 96 Tears???? I'm sure there's been worse but that just came to mind.
My jukebox only takes 80 records, and listed above are three of 'em.
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:36:19 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Ragin' Cajuns
Steve Harvey wrote:
> Yes, Johnnie Allan by all means. Ever note how he
> left out the verse about "put me in a silk suit and
> stuck luggage in my hand"?
That's because Cajuns are more prone to wearing alligator than
silk, but to say so would've screwed up the meter.
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:44:42 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Lorna Dune / record busy-ness / female collectors
Artie Wayne wrote:
> I've been enjoying so many of the Spectropop posts that I
> almost forgot to add to the answer song list, "[I'll Meet
> you at] Midnight Joey" by Lorna Dune, which I co-wrote with
> Ben Raleigh which is the answer to, "[Meet me at] Midnight
> Mary" [Raleigh/Wayne] by Joey Powers.
I'm not familiar with this record, Artie, but I'm curious to know
the identity behind "Lorna Dune."
Matthew Kaplan wrote:
> While we are all here praising Mr. Al Kooper, one of the things
> that I am amazed at is complete knowledge of his past endeavors...
> most musicians tend to forget their past either on purpose or as
> a result of years of hard living.
Not to mention in many cases playing two or three sessions a day,
cutting three or four (or more) tracks per session, five or six days
a week for 20 or 30 or more years. I can certainly understand how so
many of the "original artists" have such a hard time keeping all the
facts of their careers straight, and am always surprised when one does
retain an intimate recollection of it all.
Mick Patrick wrote:
> How I love triangle records.
I can never get them to play on my turntable.
Paul Bryant wrote:
> My tentative theory is that "collecting music" falls into the larger
> category of "collecting", and females are not big collectors of
> anything. You may apply crude Darwinisn to this theory or not, as
> you see fit.
That's a tempting solution to the question, but I personally don't buy
it. Women collect plenty of things -- alimony, child support, their
husband's paychecks [THAT'S A JOKE!] -- just (and here I have no choice
but to lapse into an even more sweeping generalization) different things
than men do. When I visited the Precious Moments (sort of like the Keane
big-eyed kids in Hummel figurine form) and resort park in southwestern
Missouri last summer, the various guest shops there were all incredibly
crowded with collectors, nearly all of them women, oohing and ahhing the
tchockes, x-referencing them against their checklists, and maxing out
their (husband's) [I'M KIDDING!] credit cards buying the ones they still
needed.
I cite this anecdote because I'm sure the same scenario plays out in an
endless number of different collecting fields all the time. I've always
been fascinated by the collector mentality, and enjoy observing its
habits and traits no matter what the field of interest, but one thing
I've learned from doing so is that they vary little from one interest to
the next. Women tend to collect women's things and men tend to collect
men's things (and, of course, there's a lot of overlap), but other than
that there's little difference between the various fields. In other
words, one guy's rare coins is one woman's rare political buttons is one
guy's rare vinyl, etc.
Stewart Mason wrote:
> ... For one thing, I know that Brett knows at least one female record
> collector, because he knows my wife!
I'm sure just about all of us know one or two female collectors, but in
my experience they are the exceptions that prove the rule.
Weighing in on Brett Milano's book, I found it just a bunch of fish
stories, with little wit and no insight into the condition it purports
to describe. Fortunately, it's also extremely thin. Alan Zweig's movie
"Vinyl" does an immeasurably better job of getting under the skin of
record collectors and at what makes them/us tick.
--Phil M.
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:05:47 -0000
From: Rob Stride
Subject: Re: ELO
John Berg:
> I will be so bold as to say that I like ELO! So there!
> OK, I mostly like their early stuff as they were evolving
> from The Move, who I adore.
Mark Frumento:
> Hey, come right out and say it!!! For my part I like every ELO
> record except Secret Messages. Call me a sucker for sappy melodies,
> I don't care. I love Jeff Lynne's songs from the Idle Race to Zoom.
> If that ousts me from the serious music society then so be it. :>))
Look, it is as simple as this: ELO performed and recorded
BRILLIANT songs in a time that I like to call MELODICALLY VOID.
I know that they started in the 70s (and they were fantastic
then), but they continued through the PAP littered 80s!
I too LOVE them to bits
Regards
Rob Stride
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:49:18 -0700 (MST)
From: That Alan Gordon
Subject: Mark Wirtz
Hello, Mad Mark Wirtz,
I want all the folks at S'pop to know that you have created a
brilliant book, "Egg Shaped Love" and a companion CD, "Mood
Mosaic" and to top it all off you even did the beautiful art
work. Mark is too modest to say this but he has taken his craft
and gentle brilliance to a new dimension.
Congratulations Mark and good luck with this wonderful project
Best
That Alan
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:15:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Tilley
Subject: Knockout Vintage New Discoveries
John Sellards wrote:
> Here's another fill-in-the-blank thread... What is the one
> vintage song you've recently discovered that completely knocked
> you out? I mean one you've had to listen to over and over (to the
> chagrin of your partner, perhaps) as you couldn't get enough of
> it. Mine is "You Gave Me Somebody To Love" by the Dreamlovers,
> which is an incredible record that seemed to be derivative of
> something, but then I couldn't figure out what - it's a nice
> mixture of the Phil Spector and (perhaps?) something akin to
> Freddie Scott's "Hey Girl". This is probably a fairly well-known
> song, but I only discovered it recently.
Mine would have to be "The Thrill Is Gone"...by Clydie King.
The slow, dragging tempo along with its haunting vocals and popping
bongos really does it for me.
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