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There are 26 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Bandstand
From: Rich
2. Re: Speaking of Zally
From: C. Ponti
3. Re: 24 truncated hits; Al Kooper with Howard Tate; Leader Of The Camp; pieces of the puzzle
From: Phil Milstein
4. The Jewish Beatles
From: James Botticelli
5. Re: Concrete & Clay
From: Ed Rambeau
6. Smile in London
From: C. Ponti
7. Re: Scooby Doo
From: Austin Roberts
8. Re: "Summertime Guy"
From: Ed Rambeau
9. Re: "Concrete and Clay" commercial
From: Ed Rambeau
10. Re: The long "El Paso" does exist in stereo
From: Paul Bryant
11. Re: Running times
From: Paul Bryant
12. Bob Gallo/You Know Who Group
From: Jeff Lemlich
13. Millie, Billy Stewart and a Big Banana.
From: Julio Niño
14. Re: Shangri-Las on I've Got A Secret
From: Steveo
15. Jukebox Rambeau
From: Ed Rambeau
16. Re: Bandstand
From: Bryan
17. Re: Variations on the Beach Boys and others
From: Mark Frumento
18. Re: Austin, David
From: Austin Roberts
19. Re: Female Record Collectors
From: Paul Bryant
20. Re: Speaking of Zally
From: Paul Bryant
21. Re: Smile in London
From: Paul Bryant
22. Re: Female Record Collectors
From: fxxm
23. Re: Collecting records/music
From: Mike
24. Re: Shangri-Las on I've Got A Secret
From: Craig Davison
25. Re: Scooby Doo's Snack Tracks CD
From: Joe Nelson
26. Re: The Daughters Of Eve
From: superoldies
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:59:51 EST
From: Rich
Subject: Re: Bandstand
Yes - Dick Clark Productions will provide any performer on bandstand
a copy of their performance for $100. This is provided with if the
performer adheres to strict copyright requirements. Only available
to to the performer, not the general public.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:58:11 -0000
From: C. Ponti
Subject: Re: Speaking of Zally
That Alan Gordon wrote:
> Steve Harvey, thank you for reminding me of "As long as
> you're here". Garry Bonner and I wrote that song.
> Jack Nitzsche arranged it and Zal was a real fun guy to
> work with, I had totally forgotten the B side was backwards
> [not a bad title for a song!] They were fun times
Ok, Nala,
Time to spill about the following. What was it like working on
the last faux Spoonful album, REVELATION/REVOLUTION? It was
essentially a Joe Butler album. I loved the version of "Me About
You" and "Never Going Back", but the rest was weak in places. I
was always a fan of Butler's singing, as on "Old Folks", "Full
Measure" and "Another Side Of This Life", by the incomparable
Fred Neil. Did you go to any of the sessions?
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:28:13 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: 24 truncated hits; Al Kooper with Howard Tate; Leader Of The Camp; pieces of the puzzle
Andrew C. Jones wrote:
> Two of the seminal records of my childhood were two anthologies that
> were advertised on TV and bought by mail. They were: 24 HAPPENING HITS
> (Columbia Special Products; produced by Telerad) and DO IT NOW (Ronco's
> first album; a charity LP for an anti-drug charity called The Do It Now
> Foundation). Was anyone in S'pop involved with the assembling or
> compilation of either of these albums? Thanks.
I was involved with the PURCHASING of 24 Happening Hits. A nice starter
set for a then-novice "oldies" fan (incl. J.J. Jackson/But It's Alright;
Sam The Sham (absent The Pharaohs, if the billing was to be
believed)/Wooly Bully; Seeds/Pushin' Too Hard; Chantels/Maybe), but 24
turned out to be a few hits too many to squeeze onto one LP, and so the
brainiacs at Columbia Special Products (or Telerad, as the case may have
been) faded all 24 happening hits at about the 2/3rds point. Sometimes
too much of a good thing is too much of a good thing.
Bill Craig wrote:
> Hi and welcome to Al Kooper.
> Al, I have a few personal recollections to share that revolve around
> you. Do you recall The Blues Project performance at the Murray The K
> show at the Paramount Theater in the spring of 1967?
My own personal concert recollection to ask Al the K about is the Howard
Tate show of a summer or two ago at the Harvard Square House of Booze,
at which I saw him weave a masterful B-3 with a crack band behind Mr.
Tate's blissful time-leap back to 1967. Any good stories of working with
him? Did he rehearse at all with the band? Who were the other cats in
the band? And, was Mr. Tate more aware of changes in music that've come
down in the intervening years than he seemed? (not meant as a cut,
believe me, as I so appreciated the apparent purity of the retro
experience). By the way, I'd seen H.T. there in his first swing through
a year or two prior, but without you at the wheezer it was just a bit
lesser of a great experience.
Craig Davison wrote:
> Suffice to say, they didn't guess. The Shangs then took the stage
> and lip-synch'd the song while Goulet rode across the stage on a
> (teeny-weeny) Honda in full leather. Too bad Bob & the girls didn't
> team up to give us their version of "Leader Of The Laundromat!"
Interesting that the "fuddie-duddies" on the panel were already, even at
the moment of its primacy, treating Leader Of The Pack as high camp.
Richard Williams wrote:
> On the subject of the record collector's mentality, Phil Hall wrote: "The
> songs are like pieces of a puzzle, and if I can get enough of them, I feel
> like I might be able to put my youth back together. "
> ... Jr Walker and the All Stars (all Motown), Johnny Daye's "What'll I Do For
> Satisfaction" and the Charmels' "As Long A I've Got You" (both Stax/Volt)
> all fit perfectly into my version of Phil's puzzle, but they're pieces I
> didn't even know existed. Anyone else get this feeling?
No offense intended to those who share Phil's and Richard's perspective,
but I feel pretty well reconciled to my childhood. But I do understand
and share their point about "pieces of a puzzle" -- in fact much of my
fascination with older pop music, as well as older cultural history of
all stripes, is to help feed my interest in trying to piece together as
much of the essence -- the "smell," I call it (though perhaps
"zeitgeist" also fits) -- of a time and place as I possibly can, the
ultimate goal being to feel in my bones what it was like to have been
there. Sometimes it's a time and place I do know from personal
experience yet only hazily remember, but most often it's one I wasn't
present for, but have learned to admire from afar. By extension part of
my interest in history is to better understand how we (alright: I)
arrived at this exact moment, but another part of it is purely for its
own sake.
Hi de ho,
--Phil M.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:27:01 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: The Jewish Beatles
Alan Zweig wrote:
> On a related topic, I remember when I looked at the names of
> the bandmembers and it occurred to me that they all might be
> Jewish. I've never actually found it if that was true.
Funny you should mention that...Here in the Northeast U.S. several
people called The Blues Project the Jewish Beatles!
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:42:39 EST
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: Re: Concrete & Clay
Bobster wrote:
> It is a privilege indeed to have Eddie Rambeau with us. I'm
> sorry to report that it was Unit Four Plus 2's remarkable
> version of Concrete & Clay that was a hit in Chicago (or at
> least the one I heard here in '65.) But I'm happy to discover
> that I am familiar with other highlights of your career, Ed --
> I now know that you penned the wonderful Navy Blue, which counts
> as another of my "spine-shiver" moments of 6Ts pop.
Thanks for the warm welcome, Bobster. Really appreciate it. We'll
just have to get you a copy of my version of "Concrete and Clay"
and that's all there is to it.
Ed Rambeau
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:07:59 -0000
From: C. Ponti
Subject: Smile in London
Martin Jensen wrote:
> I'm going to London next month in order to see Brian Wilson
> perform Smile, and since I've never been there, I wondered
> if someone here could recommend any good records shops with
> CDs of Spectropopper interest?
Yo, Martin!
I may be going as well. I am doing the math in terms of expenses.
I also imagine it will be performed here in the U.S., just as the
PET SOUNDS tour was, but seeing the first one, with Van Dyke
participating is awfully tempting. I should be able to ask someone
about the record store in London. What are they charging for seats
at the Royal Festival Hall?
C
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:14:21 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Scooby Doo
Dr Mark:
> It gives only half of the 19 tracks to the "classic" Scooby Doo
> episodes/songs, before it gives way to the terrible late 70's and 80's
> versions. I'd have included more pop songs from the original series and
> incidental music tracks.
>
> Great fidelity on the tracks. They must have used original tapes. These are
> the complete songs, they were not just recorded from episodes with sound FX.
> There are (not-overlapping) Scooby sound bites between the songs on the CD.
>
> I though Austin composed (?) as well as sang the Scooby theme, but it's
> listed here as (David Mook/Ben Raleigh.) I don't think I've seen their
> names before. Who were they????
Hey Mark,
I sang the leads on the theme song and all of the first songs (10 to 15)
on Scooby Doo.They are still playing,though I don't recall all of the
titles. David Mook was a talented writer\producer (Banana Splits etc)
working for Aaron Schroeder in LA when I first met him. He is since
deceased.
Ben Raleigh is a well known songwriter and I think Artie Butler could
tell you a lot more about him, as I'm pretty sure they collaborated.
> Here are the original Scooby Doo series songs on the CD:
>
> Scooby Doo Where Are You? (David Mook/Ben Raleigh) 1969
> Recipe For My Love (Danny Janssen) 09/70
> Seven Days A Week (Danny Janssen/Austin Roberts) 10/70
> Daydreamin' (Danny Janssen/Austin Roberts) 10/70
> "I'm in love with an OSTRICH!" <--- Actual line from the song!
> Love The World (Danny Janssen) 11/70
> Tell Me, Tell Me (Danny Janssen/Sue Stewell) 11/70
>
> Pretty Mary Sunlight (Danny Janssen/Austin Roberts) 12/72
> performed by Jerry Reed
> I Can Make You Happy (Danny Janssen/Sue Stewell) 12/72
> performed by Davy Jones of the Monkees
These writer credits are correct as far as I know
> Austin, did you sing lead on the first 6 songs? Can you tell us some
> of the musicians?
I actually sung the leads on all of the 8 above,including the Theme and
our original version of Pretty Mary Sunlight, which I really liked, and
apparently Jerry Reed did too. I'm pretty sure the original musicians
were Hal Blaine, Joe Osborne, Clarence McDonald, Larry Knectal, Louie
Shelton and Ben Benay. (Quite a who's who of musicians).
> I know who Danny Janssen is, but what about Sue Stewell?
Sue Steward was a talented singer writer who was one of the original
Bgd. trio with Mike Stull and myself)
> The "Pretty Mary Sunlite" included is with vocals by the guest star of
> that episode, Jerry Reed. It's acoustic. Just Jerry and a guitar. Was
> this the only version? Did you work with Jerry Reed in recording this
> track?
No, the first version we recorded on the first Scooby Doo songs (I still
hear it a lot on the cartoon network). I Know Jerry did it on a special
Scooby appearance and then I think he did it again with a band on a Jerry
Reed cartoon serier (short lived) for Hanna Barbera.
> The excellent "Recipe For My Love" and "Seven Days A Week" would not
> have sounded out of place on early 70s Top 40 radio. Interesting guitar
> work on "Daydreamin'."
>
> Were any of these songs ever marketed as singles??
As far as I know they weren't for whatever reason. (Political, most likely).
> All other tracks and songs on the CD are credited with the same:
> (Joseph Barbera/Hoyt Curtin/William Hanna), as are most cuts of
> Hanna-Barbera music you find on CD.
>
> I know Hoyt Curtin was a H-B musical director. But did Joe Barbera
> and William Hanna *actually* compose music??? Or did they just get
> credit this way to receive royalties?
I don't know who wrote them but believe me, Danny, Sue, Mike and myself
had nothing to do with them!
> Austin, did you have a clear idea of what the final project was you
> were working on, when you recorded the theme and songs for Scooby Doo?
Well, you take people like Danny Janssen (producer) who already had
some hits and a great reputation in this direction;Sue Steward who had a
great feel for these kind of songs with a great Bgd. and later lead voice;
Mike Stull who had a deeper (in fact he became a well known voice over guy
in LA); and myself who loved Bubblegum as I'd been doing before I moved to
LA and was able to sing it and we knew we had a good sound together and I
guess you could say we had great expectations for the music to fit the
cartoon well.
> I may have my stories mixed up, but weren't they first considering FEELIN'
> SO GOOD (SKOOBY-DOO), by (Barry-Kim) and later recorded by THE ARCHIES,
> as the theme for SCOOBY DOO?
I've never heard that before but Ron may know more about it. We were just
told by Hanna Barbera to write the songs to fit the shows and then to sing
them.
I helped to pick the girls in Josie and the Pussycats, then helped Danny
Janssen a little bit in figuring out different instrumentation (hence the
flute and some of the different rhythm patterns) and I wrote a few of the
songs. I think Sue had more to do with it than I did,but Danny was always
the producer and in charge.
> Didn't you also work on JOSIE AND THE PUSSYCATS and THE AMAZING CHAN CLAN?
I helped to pick the girls in Josie and the Pussycats, then helped Danny
and Sue Steward a little bit in figuring out different instrumentation
(hence the flute and some different rhythm patterns) and I wrote some of the
songs, one of which,`Clock On The Wall' has dissapeared. As far as Chan Clan,
I don't think I had anything to do with that.
> Austin if you really don't have a copy of this CD, just contact me and
> I'll be glad to get you one.
Mark, I'd really appreciate a CD of the Scooby Doo songs. I never got one.
Many thanks, Austin Roberts
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:49:59 EST
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: Re: "Summertime Guy"
Ed, previously:
> Forgot to mention that "Summetime Guy" went on to become the theme
> song on the Newlywed Game which was a Chuck Barris Production.
Mark:
> Can you clarify?
> Are you saying that this is a version of the familiar
> "Newlywed Game" theme song... WITH LYRICS???
> I'll be on the lookout for this one, too.
Yes, Mark, that's exactly what the theme song was..."Summertime Guy"
instrumental version. No need to look for it. If I finish typing
this and see your Email address, I'll email it to you. How's that?
Ed Rambeau
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:55:19 EST
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: Re: "Concrete and Clay" commercial
Mark wrote:
> I haven't seen it, so could you kindly tell me which commercial uses
> "Concrete and Clay"?
It was for FTD Flowers, Mark.
Ed Rambeau
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:00:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: The long "El Paso" does exist in stereo
John Sellards wrote:
> "El Paso" is actually longer on the single....the full version
> has never turned up in stereo (to my knowledge).
Al Quaglieri:
> I pulled all existing reels for this song when reissuing the
> GUNFIGHTER BALLADS & TRAIL SONGS album for Legacy. Not only is
> there no stereo mix for the full-length version but the extra
> verse was physically edited out of the 3-track studio master
> sometime back when the album was originally assembled. Usually,
> engineers placed these edit-outs at the end of the reel, but not
> in this case. Afraid the long version stereo is lost to the ages.
How curious. Does this link work?
http://66.232.131.72/cgi-bin/SearchCatNo.asp?intSite=1&strProdID=CDCHD845
Anyhow it should take you to Ace Records' track listing of "The Golden
Age of American Rock & Roll: Special Country Edition". There you have
your "El Paso," running time 4:31, in glorious stereo. I just ran
downstairs and checked with my ears. Hot flatpicking solos coming out
of the right hand speaker, no hot flatpicking solos coming out of the
left - yep, stereo.
pb
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:16:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Running times
Richard Williams wrote:
> Isn't it strange that as attention spans get shorter, tunes
> get longer?
Reminds me of the line from "Peggy Sue Got Married" (I think)
where she's explaining to someone about the technological revolution
just round the corner - "In the future everything gets smaller.
Except radios. I don't know why."
pb
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:22:51 -0500
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Bob Gallo/You Know Who Group
In the liner notes to "The Undertakers Unearthed" CD, it's revealed
that this English band (with Jackie Lomax) did some of the "You Know
Who Group" sessions while working with Bob Gallo in New York.
They're certainly not on the "Roses Are Red" single, but could very
well be on the cash-in album.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:32:14 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Millie, Billy Stewart and a Big Banana.
Hi Everyone,
Country Paul wrote:
> ...Re: Millie of "My Boy Lollipop" fame -- some questions: She
> was Millie in the UK but Millie Small on Smash in the US. Was
> Small her real last name, or a stage name based on her height?
> Is she still alive and recording? What and where?...
Millie's real name is Millicent Smith. I read not a long time ago
that she lives in the UK and is retired from the musical scene.
I love Millie's sixties singles for Fontana. I think most of her songs
haven't yet been released legally on CD. Soon, Trojan records is going
to release her LP "Time Will Tell," recorded at the end of the sixties.
The tracks of this record are in early-Reggae style, targeted to the
skinhead public. This LP is especially notorious for its cover art,
with Millie in silver underwear (like Flash Gordon in the Rocky Horror
Show song) riding on an enormous banana, a highlight of the sixties
iconography, in my opinion.
Changing the subject, I've been listening this afternoon to a
compilation of sixties teen music that included a wonderful track
titled "This Is A Fine Time," sung by Billy Stewart. The reference
of the song is United Artists 340, 1961. Could somebody tell me if
this Billy Stewart is the same that recorded for Chess in the mid-60s?.
Thank you very much.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:46:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Steveo
Subject: Re: Shangri-Las on I've Got A Secret
Craig Davison wrote:
> Don't know if this has been mentioned before on this
> board, but...
> I've been plowing through video tapes of old "I've
> Got A Secret" shows and came across an episode that featured
> Robert Goulet and The Shangri-Las!.........
> Bob had Betsy Palmer and Bess Meyerson act out the
> lyrics to "Leader Of The Pack" in a nearly word-for-word reading of
> the song's lyrics..........
> The panel then had to guess that these were, in fact, the lyrics to
> the "#1 Rock 'n' Roll hit." Suffice to say, they didn't guess.
> The Shangs then took the stage and lip-synch'd the song while Goulet
> rode across the stage on a (teeny-weeny) Honda in full leather.
LOL! Sounds like great fun to watch! I'm sorry I missed that epsiode
on its original run! Was the host by that time Steve Allen?
Steveo
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:21:43 -0000
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: Jukebox Rambeau
Some folks have Emailed me and asked how to join JUKEBOX RAMBEAU.
So here's the actual address:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rambeau_music/
It's a private group, so once you join you'll have to wait to be
approved. Any Spectropopper will most definitely be approved, so
catch the music and enjoy.
Ed Rambeau
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:43:37 -0800
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: Bandstand
> Yes - Dick Clark Productions will provide any performer on
> Bandstand a copy of their performance for $100. This is
> provided with if the performer adheres to strict copyright
> requirements.
In the not-too distant past, when I've requested and received
VHS tape copies from Dick Clark Productions, (requested for
licensing purposes), a running timecode was inserted on the
tape, running (not at the bottom of the screen, where you'd
expect to see a timecode) right across the middle of the image,
and often right across the face of the very person or singer in
a group that you're trying to see performing. I don't know if
this policy persists, now that Dick Clark's DCP are owned by
private investors who purchased the tape library along with
everything else DCP owned (for about $140 million).
Bryan
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:20:53 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Variations on the Beach Boys and others
Dindale Hogg wrote:
> I'm not really into guys who create variations on a Beach Boys
> theme
In my mind (and in my collection) I divide Beach Boys followers into
three categories:
1) Pastiche (one-off sound-a-likes)
2) Impersonators (career sound-a-likes)
3) Strongly Influenced By
As long as I get a feel for where the artist fits with regard to
those categories, I can enjoy them for what they are (some more than
others, depending on the quality of the songs).
I agree with you. I'm not really into "variations" as a rule. But it
can be fun and some good songs/artists do turn up from time to time.
Same goes for followers of The Beatles, The Four Seasons and countless
other bands.
Mark Frumento
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:30:48 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Austin, David
Mrtin Roberts wrote:
> Austin Roberts and Guy Lawrence recently brought up the name
> David Mook in regards to his TV & Bubblegum work but in my
> record collection he's known more as a pop producer. With
> records bearing the delightful, "Produced by David Mook for
> Past, Present and Future Productions" (maybe labelled in
> honour of Artie Butler's arrangements!) particularly on the
> Aurora record label. I wonder Austin, was David a producer
> in terms of business and getting the right people and song
> together, or a hands-on in the studio way?
Hey Martin,
I worked in the studio a few times and, as I remember, he was
easy to work with and knew what he wanted. A good guy.
Best,
Austin
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:49:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Female Record Collectors
Sarah Vaughn wrote:
> If it weren't for people like Kim:
> No female record collectors? Hmm, maybe we just
> keep a little
> quieter about habit than y'all do. Few female
> COLLECTORS period?
> Who d'ya think is buying all those dolls, Hummel
> figurines,
> >eanie Babies, teapots and depression
> glass?drowning in discs.
> I'd be leaving this group right now. I can't believe
> I read this:
> Women also have a disease called throwawayitis. If
> it isn't
> properly place, it is in the garbage.
Yes but for every one of you there's a thousand guys
wistfully wishing there was a record collecting gal
they could exchange matrix numbers and picture sleeves
with. That was my only mild inoffensive point.
pb
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:55:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Speaking of Zally
C. Ponti wrote:
> I was always a fan of Butler's singing, as on "Old
> Folks", "Full Measure"
These two obscure non-Sebastian Spoon tracks are in a
stratospheric category of their own. Beauty is found
in the strangest places. Full Measure is a
shiver-down-your-spine from first note to last. I'm
glad to be able to state this publicly.
pb
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:56:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Smile in London
C. Ponti wrote:
> I may be going as well. I am doing the math in terms
> of expenses.
> I also imagine it will be performed here in the
> U.S., just as the
> PET SOUNDS tour was, but seeing the first one, with
> Van Dyke
> participating is awfully tempting. I should be able
> to ask someone
> about the record store in London. What are they
> charging for seats
> at the Royal Festival Hall?
Guys, aren't all tickets long since sold out?
pb
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:54:54 -0500
From: fxxm
Subject: Re: Female Record Collectors
Sarah Vaughn wrote:
> You guys need to watch your mouths until the day comes when you
> know what you're talking about!
> Sarah, Boston, MA- with a new bedroom to store over 2,000 albums.
> Now with a third Stackridge album added thanks to Spectropop. Now
> back to lurking, cowering in the cold and wondering why I don't
> become a lesbian.
I think that most of were generalizing, rather than suggesting that NO women
collect records, that ALL women throw away their clothes after wearing
them once, that EVERY woman would rather spend money on makeup than on
music, etc. Generalizing ALWAYS is a slippery slope, of course, but
certain things occur frequently enough (proportionally speaking) that
they nonetheless qualify as fact. As much as I'm sure that you and
a number of other women on this list are every bit as fanatical record
collectors as us guys are, Sarah, I honestly believe -- and
could readily quantify it, if it came to that -- that y'all still
constitute a small minority of the Spectropopulation. I wish it
were otherwise, but it is what it is.
--Phil M.
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:06:22 -0000
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Collecting records/music
> Alan Zweig wrote:
> I understand the distinction and this may be true in your case.
> But just to be clear, EVERYONE says that. People with 25,000
> records, completists, those who would buy the same song over
> again because of a different pressing, people who still haven't
> played half the records they own etc etc. They all say "I don't
> collect records. I collect music".
Phil Hall wrote:
> Interesting viewpoint. I think there is a distinction between the
> types of music collectors. I used to be a record collector, but
> after a couple of years, I realized I didn't have the assets to
> pursue it the way I wanted to. Which is O.K. For me, collecting
> songs is like picking up little pieces of my youth; when I was
young
> and could run fast and throw hard, and the kids on American
> Bandstand were as big or bigger stars than some of the guests on
the
> show. The songs are like pieces of a puzzle, and if I can get
> enough of them, I feel like I might be able to put my youth back
> together. Listening to the songs helps me remember what it was
like
> to be young. Collecting songs means I can do it anytime I want.
I guess this is a nice little concept, if you use the music as a
vehicle for nostalgia.
The bulk of my collection is original label 45's, all released from
the the time I was a toddler thru grade school. I remember a chunk
of the "chart" records from that era ('64-70) but I'm most interested
the records that were not hits.
I am not concerned with "recapturing my youth" or reminiscing about
times past. In my world, the music I collect is vital, so much so
that to own it as it originally appeared is the only way to go. In
some cases, a reissue does the trick, especially in situations where
a song was not released back in the day. I play my records daily, I
go out and DJ with them, I bring them to radio shows so that I can
expose some hopefully unknown tracks to listeners, instead of the
same Top 40 hits over and over. To use the term "oldies But goodies"
destroys the true truth in music, popular, classical, or whatever
have you:
It doesn't matter WHEN a piece of music was recorded-
it is how that piece of music makes you feel NOW.
It is sad that music released in the past is relegated to the 'oldies
but goodies' category. Do people who enjoy listening to classical
music run around and say, "Gee, this composition is an oldie from
1645?" Why
should that matter in the first place?
With this nostalgia concept likely to continue, I
wonder if anyone will be listening to 60's pop culture music 'out on
the fringes' in the next 50 years. There will be no one with
tangible experiences
tied to the music made in the 1960's alive. Will younger people get
interested to seek out music from the past, or will the over-
exaggerated nostalgia elements spewed out by the media and
consultants via radio programs and television/movies suck the life
out of the vitality of this music? I can't see kids in the future
getting all hyped up to check out stuff unfamiliar and not of their
era, especially when revisionism distorts truth and accuracy to sell
stuff/make money.
Sorry for the rant, I got carried away ;)
Lastly, I know FIVE girls/females personally who collect records -
they want ORIGINAL label records, not CDs etc. and they are more fun
to go hunting with than the guys I know. Meaning that they aren't
ticked off if I find something good and they don't, or aggravated
that they didn't find a $500 record after four hours flipping thru
singles.
MopTopMike
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:25:18 -0000
From: Craig Davison
Subject: Re: Shangri-Las on I've Got A Secret
Steveo wrote:
> LOL! Sounds like great fun to watch! I'm sorry I missed that
> epsiode
> on its original run! Was the host by that time Steve Allen?
Hi-ho, it indeed was Steverino!
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:28:20 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Scooby Doo's Snack Tracks CD
Previously:
> Pretty Mary Sunlight (Danny Janssen/Austin Roberts) 12/72
> performed by Jerry Reed
Someone mentioned Austin singing this, but all I could remember was
the Jerry Reed version. Next thing I know we're watching the show on
Boomerang and Austin's version comes on. Needless to say, I was
totally psyched!
It's been an incredible groove having Austin here, probably because of
the upcoming WNHU interview which we've been working closely on. I was
telling my wife about what was going on. Since she was only three when
"Something's Wrong With Me" hit I didn't bother to talk about Arkade
or his solo stuff and played up the Scooby Doo angle. Next thing I
know, SWWM comes on and she's singing along perfectly. Her mother had
the single and my wife had grown up listening to the song (FWIW, she
says it's time someone remade it). Far out!
Joe Nelson
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:45:48 -0000
From: superoldies
Subject: Re: The Daughters Of Eve
Mick Patrick wrote:
> (The Daughters Of Eve's) drummer Debi and I are putting together
> a small article about this group for the S'pop website. All help
> gratefully received.
> To whet everyone's appetite, I've posted one of their 45s to musica:
> "Symphony Of My Soul" (USA 891, 1967), written by James Butler,
> produced by Carl Bonafede and James Butler. A nice example of "pop
> go the classics", it might appeal to fans of the Toys' "Lovers'
> Concerto": http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Good track - I've added it to my playlist - thanks for posting the
sound files on here.
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