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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Boys Next Door
From: Clark Besch
2. Al Kooper on the air
From: Clark Besch
3. Late Monkees
From: Mark
4. Re: "Dis-Advantages Of You"
From: Clark Besch
5. Re: Monkess "Headquarters" - no single from LP
From: Clark Besch
6. Re: "I Can't Quit Her"
From: Clark Besch
7. Re: "Open Up Your Heart"
From: Clark Besch
8. Bo Gentry & Richie Cordell
From: Clark Besch
9. First Cut Is The Deepest
From: Clark Besch
10. Re: Monkees "I Wanna Be Free"
From: Clark Besch
11. Re: Great endings
From: Clark Besch
12. Re: Awesome (Odd-some?) group names
From: Clark Besch
13. Re: Apollas and the Flirtations
From: Clark Besch
14. Re: Mono vs Stereo
From: Clark Besch
15. Re: Jimmie Cross and other Demented Novelties
From: Clark Besch
16. Re: "Barefoot In Baltimore" / "Sandy"
From: Clark Besch
17. John Beland / DC5 Mike Smith Update / Artie Wayne
From: Clark Besch
18. Re: The Coastliners
From: Clark Besch
19. Re: My Mistakes
From: Clark Besch
20. Re: Cilla's cool records
From: Mike Page
21. and a great big spotty dog
From: Frank Murphy
22. Re: Cilla's cool records
From: Paul Bryant
23. Monkees "D.W. Washburn"
From: Lapka Larry
24. Connie Francis
From: Mike Edwards
25. Shindig Magazine
From: Jon 'Mojo' Mills
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:59:33 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Boys Next Door
previously:
> Another (Kooper/Levine) favourite of mine is the Byrdsy
> "There Is No Greater Sin" a '65 single by the Boys Next Door.
Bill George:
> Sounds great. Can anyone play it to musica?
Maybe it sounds Byrdsy, but that snarl in "aw, There..." is a dead
ringer for Turtles to me. The song is available from Sundazed on
Cd. Clark
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:01:54 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Al Kooper on the air
Michael Godin:
> Just wanted to wish Al Kooper a very Happy Birthday this week.
> Playing a couple of his great songs on this week's show.
By buddy in Chicago radio, Bob Stroud, did a tribute to Al on his
show this weekend past. You can see his whole 3 hr show songlists
every week at http://www.wdrv.com/rootsplaylist.php He plays lotsa
great Chicago area 60's too! I'm a little concerned tho. I noticed
he played "Under My Wheels"!! Alice Cooper---Al Kooper? Could it
be?? :) Clark
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:14:14 -0000
From: Mark
Subject: Late Monkees
I don't really know exactly what they were trying to accomplish
with Head and with that abominable special. Their audience was the
pre-teens, the 8 to 14 year old age group. That's the group I was in.
That's who they were making music for. The Beatles weren't for us,
they were for the older teenagers. So The Monkees completely abandoned
the audience they had in order to try to win acceptance from the
audience that wanted nothing to do with them. The complete failure of
Head (in theatres for about 5 minutes) and 33 and a third (terrible
ratings) pretty much showed that at that point they were pleasing
themselves and no one else. But that's fine, they forgot about us, we
forgot about them. And other acts came along that didn't mind catering
to our age group (Ohio Express, 1910 Fruitgum Company, The Cowsills,
The Archies, The Partridge Family). The sad thing is that even 30 years
later The Monkees still don't get it. They released Justus, which was
maybe the worst record I've ever heard. Great idea, trying to do
grunge. As if that's what Monkees fans want to hear. As if any grunge
fans would be caught dead listening to a Monkees album. Way to
know your audience.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:04:25 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: "Dis-Advantages Of You"
Mark T wrote:
> The original version of ("Dis-Advantages Of You") was done by a
> group called The Answer on Columbia. The Brass Ring version on
> Dunhill was a cover. The Answer version was the one actually used
> on the commercial.
Art Longmire:
> Are you sure? I have the Brass Ring's version and it sounds
> identical to the commercial I heard in the 1960s. I also have
> the commercial on an audio tape and it definitely sounds identical
> to the Brass Ring.
I have to go along with Art. I gotta believe the Dunhill version is
the commercial version too. Anyone else? Clark
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:08:05 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Monkess "Headquarters" - no single from LP
Larry Lapka wrote:
> Next question: why were there no single releases from the
> Headquarters LP? Were they too much in the midst of the Kirshner
> fallout, was this viewed as a lack of approval from RCA, or even a
> punishment? Did any other band--other than the Beatles of course--
> have a major album release during that period without a single 45
> being released from it (at least in the U.S.)?
Mike McKay:
> There were no singles taken from the "Ventures in Space" album
> at the time of its release (1964). "Out of Limits" finally came
> out as a B-side, but that wasn't till 1967.
Larry, I think thge Monkees were out to prove they could write, and
play instruments and produce their own music for an Lp. It might
also be that they wanted their single to be a more "sure" true and
tested writer, so they chose the classics "Pleasant Valley Sunday"
and Boyce-Hart's "Words". Just my guess. Clark
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:20:33 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: "I Can't Quit Her"
Bob Radil:
> Was "Just One Smile" also a single? Was it the follow up
> or did it precede "I Can't Quit Her"? Was "I Love You More
> Than You'll Ever Know" released as a single?
Al Kooper:
> Using just this grey-haired head, I'm pretty sure I Cant Quit
> Her was the ONLY single from that first album.
Yes, "I Can't Quit Her" was the only 45 from "Child". I wish "Just
One Smile" had been also. Has anyone besides me noticed how hard it
is to find even a Dj copy of this? I've never seen a store copy.
I've only seen my Dj copy and I've only had it a couple of years.
Being a 45 fanatic, I was ecstatic to finally get it. I got the
Arbors' Dj 45 when it came out, but only 5 years ago did I get a
STEREO dj 45 of it! Wonder what Al thinks of the Arbors' version? I
love it. Again, it really sounds so much different from BST, that it
seems like a different song. For the record, I love all versions of
the BST group. Besides Al, David CT, "Sometimes In Winter" is an
incredible song and later ones like "So Long Dixie" and "Roller
Coaster" and even "Got To Get You Into My Life" are great listens too.
Funny, in 68, I didn't get a Columbia supplied "I Can't Quit Her",
but I got Al' great "You Never Know Who Your Friends Are"in a
mono/stereo Dj with a great pic sleeve of his "friends" having Al
tied up! Al, were these people on the sleeve friends? The pic
sleeve back had the lyrics and 4 Lps Al worked on pictured. Wish
they'd done that with the BST single!! Clark
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:39:15 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: "Open Up Your Heart"
As discussed a year ago, it could be our own Artie Wayne's song "Open
Up Your Heart" that was done so brilliantly by the U.S. Males in 68.
Clark
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:50:11 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Bo Gentry & Richie Cordell
With all the writers and producers who were also artists, how bout Bo
Gentry and Richie Cordell? The did great with the Tommy James
stuff. About the time Tommy started producing his own records, Bo
and Richie started recording for Columbia, similar to Austin Roberts
and Alan Gordon did as writer/artists. Bo and Richie's "Love is
Here" 45 is GREAT! They did steal John and Paul's "tit tit tit...",
but a greatly crafted pop song that was top 10 in Wichita, but
anywhere else?? Their only other Columbia 45, "Stone Go Getter" (I
think the title) was not so hot, in my opinion. Can't remember what
happened after they parted with Tommy James. Did Alan Gordon or Al
Kooper ever work with them at Columbia or know what became of them?
Like Boyce & Hart, they were quickly gone, it seemed. Clark
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:05:22 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: First Cut Is The Deepest
What is with this song? I have heard some female country singer
doing this, now. I think it was Sheryl Crow. Yes, it is a great
song, but it has been done to death without ever being a big hit.
Why keep recording it? I guess it's timeless?? I liked Cat Stevens,
the Koobas (thanks Doug Richard for turning me on to that one) and
P.P. Arnold's was ok. My fave version is the big production by Keith
Hampshire. When Rod Stewart did it, I didn't like it and this new
version is worse. Too many versions of a good song that may never be
a huge hit. It would be tough to be one of the many great writers
here and have some guy (Cat) write a song that gets recorded over and
over and doesn't care about the royalties! Clark
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:08:05 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Monkees "I Wanna Be Free"
Altho, "I Wanna Be Free" wasn't a 45 A or B for the Monkees, it was
a "B" side and came with a pic sleeve by Boyce & Hart, its' writers.
So, Steveo, you were correct, kinda. It was B of "L.U.V. (Let Us
Vote)". The Monkees did a different arrangement from the Lp version
on the TV show that has since been released. Clark
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:12:58 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Great endings
Mike wrote:
> Not quite as divine, but similar in spirit, is the ending of the
> original BOMP! single of "Tomorrow Night" by The Shoes. (Beware
> the badly botched rerecording of the song that opens their first
> Elektra album "Present Tense." The single was perfect...what were
> they thinking???)
Mike, I heard the Elektra 45 first and really like the cold ending on
it. As often is the case, the version you first hear sometimes seems
better. The 3 singles off the Elektra Lp are all great A sides.
Reminds me of a cool small label 45 from a little later by Cracker
(not the later group) called "What Did I Do?". Same kinda small
production like the Bomp Shoes 45 or like "Hook" by the Toms. Great
underproduced power pop 1980 period music. Clark
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:15:08 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Awesome (Odd-some?) group names
How bout the Iowa group, "The Guy Who Came Up From Downstairs", that
appeared on a band battle episode of "Happening 68"? Clark
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:33:28 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Apollas and the Flirtations
James wrote:
> Hi, I have been searching for a chart peak and/or information
> regarding the Appolas' "Mr. Creator".
>
> I know it charted, but not where. It is not TOP 100 pop or
> R&B. It "bubbled under" the R&B charts in 1967 and possibly
> the Cashbox Charts in top 100 in 1967, but I am not as sure
> on this one. Can anyone supply me with a peak number?
>
> Also, The Flirtations were a classic northern soul girl group
> who had two pop hits "Nothing But A Heartache" (#34) and
> "South Carolina" (#111 pop) in 1969. They also charted big
> in New Zealand, does anyone know with which songs, when and
> how far they got. Also I heard they were big on Cashbox
> (especially in 1970 with "Keep On Searching"). Again, which
> songs, when and a peak date. Thanks to all that help me answer.
>
> I am trying to help make a bio for the Flirtations on the
> "Girl Group Chronicles" the web-site. I am also the moderator
> for the small group Flirtationsuk which is dedicated to the
> awesome female Flirtations.
James, I could not find that the Apollas song charted in Cashbox or
anywhere else that i looked. You are correct on the Flirtations
Billboard positions, but the only other Cashbox entry beside their
big hit was "Can't stop Loving You" reaching #96 for one week on in
7-11-70. Also, "Nothing but a Heartache" reached #4 on CHUM in
Canada. I have 2 videos by the Flirtations that are pretty good as
I remember. Clark
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 05:53:26 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Mono vs Stereo
Phil Milstein wrote:
> I don't quite understand why records needed to be released in both
> mono and stereo mixes....
Phil, usually, labels actually did mix mono and then stereo
afterwards before stereo became the more popular method of buying.
Thus, it was usually not a matter of just folding the two channels
together, as they were often first recorded for AM radio sound, thus
mono. So, the producer or whoever had to go "make" a stereo mix.
This created problems such as weaker vocals when a stereo record with
vocals mixed on one side was played in mono. Instruments mixed in
the middle of a stereo record when played in mono might bury the
vocal in such a case. Sometimes stereo mixes were made out of phase
and a vocal completely disappears when played on a mono player.
There was a distinct reason for 2 mixes until stereo started getting
mixed FIRST and mono second. Playing the mono "Sgt Pepper", I hear
definite differences in volumes of things. Imagine that you mixed
all those "Mr. Kite" things to get a nice mono mix and then went back
and tried by hand to fade these effects in and out in stereo exactly
as you had on the mono one. Aargh! Clark
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 05:45:24 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Jimmie Cross and other Demented Novelties
Bobster, speaking of crazy records, how bout Barney Pip and the
Rovin Kind doing "Can't Sit Down" with Barn playing his trumpet!
Now that's novelty! "Turn into Peanut Butter"! By the way, I
love "Transfusion" and "Mechanical Man" reached #21 on WLS in
Chicago, amazingly. May have done better since during the ABC
strikes, management at WLS tried to be robots on the air
intentionally, sounding much like "Bent Bolt"! Clark
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 06:06:27 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: "Barefoot In Baltimore" / "Sandy"
Jim Shannon wrote:
> Anyone recall the minor hit from Strawberry Alarmclock 'Barefoot
> in Baltimore" on the Uni label. Released in Summer of '68. Think
> it charted into the top 30 in some markets.
>
> Also, a georgeous pop ballad called "Sandy' that you never hear
> on the so called "oldies" stations. It was released in '65 or '66
> by Ronnie and Daytonas. Is it available on CD?
>
> I'm also looking for the Ousiders "Girl in Love" (Tom King/Chet
> Kelley) and "Respectable".
Jim, "Barefoot in Baltimore" is a good record. It is kinda like
an "Incense & Peppermints, Pt. 2" to me, which is a Good Thing!
"Sandy" is available on their greates hits Cd on Sundazed. The
Outsiders songs are on the out of print "Legendary Masters" Cd,
but I think that Cd is now issued currently thru Collectibles, I
think....Clark
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:53:51 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: John Beland / DC5 Mike Smith Update / Artie Wayne
Hi, When trying to track down the Dillards White Whale 45s, I went to
John Beland's website and saw commentary from Austin Roberts about
him. Austin, how did you connect with John. I wrote John about a
year ago about his first recording in Chicago, an unreleased
acetate, "Wake Up Sweet Mary". He has since worked with tons of
stars and played in Johnny Tillotson's band. His version of "Baby,
You Come Rollin Cross My Mind" was a hit in Kansas when I was growing
up. Somewhat like Lobo later did with "Me & You & A Dog Named Boo",
John's version of "Rollin.." had a short version store 45 and one
with a great longer intro that sets up the story just like Lobo did
later. Anyway, John does a terrific job. He later was in the Flying
Burrito Bros and did tons of sessions as well as a solo Lp on Scepter
in the early 70's with the single "Banjo Man" by the re-named John
Edward Beland.
Lobo makes me think of Kyle. His one Lp for Paramount in the early
70's was popular here in Lincoln. I really liked it too. He now
produces country artists, if I remember correctly. Loved his "Think
I'm Gonna Rain". Great vocal.
>From the DC5 Mike Smith site, he is improving some. He is off the
ventilator up to 8 hrs a day instead of the 15 minutes previously.
His friend, Madeline Bell was going to be visiting him. Let's hope
he continues to improve. Speaking of improving, how are you, Artie
Wayne? Long time no hear from! Clark
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:57:14 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: The Coastliners
Mark wrote:
> I haven't seen any mention of these guys, who were known as The
> Beach Boys of Texas. They had some pretty good records with a
> variety of sounds. I'm also surprised that no one has thought to do
> a collection of their material. Anyone know more about these guys?
Mark, I don't know a lot about the Coastliners, but their Backbeat 45
I've heard is good. What I DO know is that they had a name change to
the U.S. Males in 68 and had one terrific 45 on a new Abnak
distributed label, Brittania. The 45 was a great 2 sider that should
have pushed Brittania onto the charts. Instead, it failed and I
don't think another 45 came out on that label. One side was a 5
Americans written tune, "Come Out of the Rain", which I really love.
A little Grass Roots as far as style, but not really their sound,
making it better by not copping anyone's exact sound. The other side
is another goodie written by our Spectropopper, Artie Wayne,
called "Open Up Your Heart". This more upbeat song is nearer to the
Grass Roots sound, I think. This 45 is fairly easy to find, much
like the Colours Lp we've spoken of recently. Good stuff--fair
price! Clark
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:36:04 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: My Mistakes
Robert R. Radil wrote:
> One thing to keep in mind. Although you may be aware of possible
> imperfections that you may desire to go back and fix, if possible,
> these are the recordings that the public has grown to be fond of,
> regardless of imperfections. To go back and fix recordings, perhaps
> for a CD re-issue, might please the creator of the recording, but
> it wouldn't be what the public remembers.
>
> One example is "One Fine Morning" by Lighthouse. The remix on CD is
> technically superior to the original LP mix but I prefer the original
> because that's what I remember hearing back in 1971.
Bob, even pre-Cd, I believe, is the Lp vs. 45 version of "Pretty
Lady" by Lighthouse. The 45 just jumps out at ya and the Lp version
is a bit mellower, if my memory is correct. Clark
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:52:39 -0000
From: Mike Page
Subject: Re: Cilla's cool records
Art:
> I only have a few tunes by Cilla Black, one that I kind of like
> is her version of "Across the Universe". Does anybody know if
> this was a hit in the U.K.? And did she have a song called
> "You're My World"?
Yes she did in the UK. It was a great song IMO. I have to admit to
a liking of her stuff. But I guess you either love her voice or
hate it.
Mike
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:22:59 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: and a great big spotty dog
I wrote:
> Are you sitting comfortably? Now let us begin.....
Trevor Ley:
> A little sidebar. Could be quoting Pink Floyd or are you
> quoting from the Small Faces' "Happines Stan"?
Andrew:
> I suspect Frank was quoting the old BBC radio show "Listen
> With Mother", which apparently (it finished more than a
> decade before I was born, so I'm going from second-hand
> evidence on this ;) ) always started 'Are you sitting
> comfortably? Then I'll begin'.
Thank you Andrew,
You are correct.
Frank Murphy
reflections on northern soul Saturdays at 14:30 or listen now
www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/rnb.php
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:04:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Cilla's cool records
Art Longmire wrote:
> I only have a few tunes by Cilla Black, one that I kind of like
> is her version of "Across the Universe". Does anybody know if
> this was a hit in the U.K.? And did she have a song called
> "You're My World"?
You're my World was a No 1 in summer 1964 in the UK. Across the
Universe!?? Didn't know she'd recorded that! What next, Cilla sings
I Am the Walrus?
Note on solo singers : sometimes it's the song, not the singer. A
24 carat guaranteed hit song can land in the lap of a good-but-not-
great singer and wham! they become a one-hit wonder. Little Peggy
March was one such, there are many more. Cilla's chart career seems
to be a continual parade of very good songs sung fairly badly (except
Alfie of course) which should have been hits for somebody else - like
Lulu for instance, who actually has a great voice and who had awful
songs to sing, hence relatively few hits. I guess it was all down to
good and bad management and who got their hands on which songs.
pb
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:36:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Lapka Larry
Subject: Monkees "D.W. Washburn"
Still behind on the mail but some random thoughts:
I thought the Monkees had some fine singles from D.W.
Washburn on, with Porpoise Song and Listen to the Band
being the best of them. But being the phenomenon that
they were, their time was up, and nothing was going to
return them to the popularity that they enjoyed during
1966-1968. True, their albums (with the exception of
Head) were pretty much horrid, but each one had one or
two gems which made purchasing them somewhat worthwhile.
I really enjoy the Grass Roots's catalog, from top to
bottom. I liked the folk stuff, but really loved the
pop stuff, even the material that they put out in the
early 1970s after Two Divided By Love (like The Runway).
However, I thought that the last Grass Roots album
(late 1970s?) was horrid. I kind of liked Rob Grill's
solo album, even though it was basically Rob Grill and
Fleetwood Mac (yuck!).
Larry Lapka
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:21:13 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Connie Francis
David Bell writes (re: Connie Francis):
> Her late 60s work is so undervalued and yet Connie was at the height
> of her vocal powers at that time. She'd left the silly hits behind
> and become a chanteuse of great power. All this from someone who
> started collecting Connie's material in 1960 and has most everything
> that she ever released ...
David, would you list out some examples of Connie's silly hits?
Thanks,
Mike
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:22:19 -0000
From: Jon 'Mojo' Mills
Subject: Shindig Magazine
Hi Spectory Peeps,
I recognise loads of you... So a big hello. This group looks great.
I dunno if you all know about Shindig! Magazine:
http://www.shindig-magazine.com already, so in case you don't I'll
fill you in. The magazine started out in 1991 (badly copied) and
featuring garage, beat and psych bands (see back issue cover shots
on the site) -- yes, the early issues were poor, but a start. In
1996 the 'zine became Shindig!. And since then we have featured
exclusive interviews and articles on David John & The Mood, The
Pleasure Seekers, The Poets, We The People, David Allen & The
Arrows, The Grass Roots, kaleidoscope (UK), John's Children, The
Nazz, Scottish Beat, The Move, The Love Affair, SRC, The Rationals,
Buffalo Springfield, Spice, Wonderwall (movie) and a whole lot more...
We now operate primarily in cyberspace with our monthly reviews being
one of the first port of calls for those wanting the low down on the
best '60s and '70s pop/beat/psych/harmony/surf/girl group/soul/psych-
pop/power-pop/rock sounds. I'll inform you via the group when the
reviews go up each month. (If anyone wants to submit reviews of
particularly interesting releases that we haven't covered, please
don't hesitate in contacting me. The more contributors the better!)
Issue #7 of the printed magazine is also in preparation -- this will
hopefully be ready by the summer. So once again, if anyone has any
interest in submitting articles/interviews please contact me pronto.
And advertisers, please, please, please get in touch.
Check out our wholesome selection of review archives:
http://www.shindig-magazine.com/reviews.htm
Regards
Jon 'Mojo' Mills
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