Spectropop - Digest Number 1331

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• Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Feldman, Goldstein, Gottehrer - sixties discography
           From: Davie Gordon 
      2. Re: Monkees "Headquarters" - no single from LP
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
      3. Re: Mono vs Stereo
           From: Dan Hughes 
      4. Off-Center / Skipping Records
           From: Mark Hill 
      5. David Clayton-Thomas
           From: Michael Godin 
      6. Are you sitting comfortably?
           From: Paul Bryant 
      7. Re: Burt Bacharach & Hal David's first production
           From: Al Kooper 
      8. Re: Songwriter credits
           From: Paul Bryant 
      9. Re: Feldman, Goldstein, Gottehrer - '60s discography
           From: Davie Gordon 
     10. Re: Hits You Missed
           From: Davie Gordon 
     11. Arthur Lee Harper
           From: Dan Hughes 
     12. "Sandy"
           From: Michael Godin 
     13. Bluebeats / The #1
           From: J. Shannon 
     14. Re: Burt Bacharach & Hal David's first production
           From: Mick Patrick 


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:24:50 -0000
   From: Davie Gordon 
Subject: Re: Feldman, Goldstein, Gottehrer - sixties discography

Bob Celli wrote:
> In My Baby's Eyes recorded by Bobby Vee was written by Goffin/King.
> Was there a similar title written by FGG?

Thanks for the correction Bob - yes, there is an FGG song of the 
same title - I mistakenly thought Bobby had recorded it when the only 
track of that title I could find was the one on the flip of "Sharing 
You". Maybe somebody else can identify who did the FGG song.

Davie



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Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:08:42 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin 
Subject: Re: Monkees "Headquarters" - no single from LP

Larry Lapka wrote:
> Next question: why were there no single releases from the
> Headquarters LP? Were they too much in the midst of the Kirshner
> fallout, was this viewed as a lack of approval from RCA, or even a
> punishment? Did any other band--other than the Beatles of course--
> have a major album release during that period without a single 45
> being released from it (at least in the U.S.)?

There might have been publishing problems from the mangement switch 
over from Kirshner that kept anything from being released on 45. Or 
the Monkees themselves (in thier attempt to prove they were a real 
band) decided not to release any singles from it ala the Fabs. I 
believe "Randy Scouse Git" (aka "Alternate Title") was a hit single 
in the UK and there were other singles released around the world. 

Does anyone know if there were any non-HQ USA singles released while 
Headquarters was in the Top 10?  
 
> There were no singles taken from the "Ventures in Space" album 
> at the time of its release (1964). "Out of Limits" finally came 
> out as a B-side, but that wasn't till 1967.

The Ventures relied on covering other instrumental hits to sell thier 
albums. But it would have been cool if Dolton had pulled a couple of 
originals from that awesome LP as singles. Its strange that Dolton 
released many non-LP singles during their 60's heyday too. The 
Ventures might have been the first Rock N Roll group to focus on 
selling albums rather than singles. Perhaps thier massive success in 
Japan caused that.

Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio



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Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:25:44 -0600
   From: Dan Hughes 
Subject: Re: Mono vs Stereo

Phil asks:
> I don't quite understand why records needed to be released in both mono
> and stereo mixes...

Maybe a look at the timeline will help explain.  First we had mono.  Then
the progressives among us spent big bucks for stereo equipment, and we
demanded stereo albums and had the money to pay extra for them.  It cost
more to come up with stereo masters--more mikes, more amp channels, more
equipment, more engineering, more work for the techies, etc.  So the
public expected to pay more for a stereo record.  We were paying extra
for the more complicated production work, not the vinyl--pressing and
packaging costs were the same for mono and stereo once the masters were
perfected.

As more and more people moved to stereo, the manufacturers--who were
charging a dollar more for the stereo record--found that they saved money
if they made 1,000 stereo albums than if they made 500 stereo and 500
mono.  So it actually cost them MORE if they did mono separately, even
though they made less profit on the mono albums.  So they saved money by
making all stereo and labelling some of them mono for that crowd who
still wanted to save the extra buck, trusting they'd never know (at least
until they bought a stereo system).

Much like today's "gold master" CDs cost no more to manufacture than do
regular CDs, but they cost a lot more to purchase.  The extra price stems
from the work that went into the production (though I've often wondered
if the human ear can detect the difference).

Hey, that's my theory anyway.

---Dan



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Message: 4
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:08:32 -0500
   From: Mark Hill 
Subject: Off-Center / Skipping Records

Richard Hattersley:
> Has any one noticed that "...Lovin' Feelin'" on the US Philles 
> pressing is pressed slightly off centre? What I mean is the 
> stylus moves in and out causing a fluctuation in pitch. At least 
> that is how it is on my pressing, and even if I adjust it my self 
> to make it sit in the middle it still sounds off. Another offender 
> is "How Does It Feel" on the b side "Walking In The Rain" 

I can't confer with you on either of these, but I'm sure I've had a
half-dozen or so offenders like this myself over the years. Can't 
recall any specific titles. And another half-dozen brand new vinyl 
discs, right out of the plastic with uncleanable/unfixable skips. 
This reminds me of a time I was in a record store and they kept 
playing the same track (by a country artist) over and over- and it 
kept skipping in the same place. I thought that maybe it was on an 
automatic turntable. So I went to see what was going on. A customer 
had brought back a new LP with a skip, and they were opening up new 
copies to find a good one. They opened and played maybe 8-10 copies 
and every one skipped. I'm sure these stories are *legion*!

"Dr. Mark" Hill



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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:10:57 -0800
   From: Michael Godin 
Subject: David Clayton-Thomas

> Anyone know what Mr. Clayton-Thomas is up to these days?  Does he
> still perform?

David Clayton Thomas and Blood, Sweat & Tears perform on a regular 
basis. My friend, Darcy Hepner, is the sax player in the band. He is 
out with them usually once a week and a lot more in the summer.

Cheers.
Michael Godin
www.TreasureIslandOldies.com



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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:51:05 -0800 (PST)
   From: Paul Bryant 
Subject: Are you sitting comfortably?

Andrew Hickey wrote:
> I'm only surprised there were no singles by The Troggs or Status 
> Quo in '68 referencing Muffin The Mule or Andy Pandy...)

But there was a group called The Flowerpot Men!!!

pb



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Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 02:44:49 EST
   From: Al Kooper 
Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach & Hal David's first production

Mick Patrick:
> Believe it or not, the first credited Bacharach production was
> "Three Wheels On My Wagon" b/w "One Part Dog, Nine Parts Cat" by
> Dick Van Dyke, released on Jamie 1178 in January 1961. Both sides
> were written and produced by Burt Bacharach and Bob Hilliard...

Phil Milstein:
> We knew that -- we were just testing you.

Mick Patrick:
> Yeah, right! :-) Have a crack at this one, then:
> If the above-mentioned disc was the unlikely debut of Burt 
> Bacharach as credited producer, what was the first disc to bear 
> the legend "Produced by Bacharach and David"?

What year was The Blob????



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Message: 8
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:10:38 -0800 (PST)
   From: Paul Bryant 
Subject: Re: Songwriter credits

It just occurred to me that the Animals' global hit
House of the Rising Sun was copyrighted as Trad arr.
Price, so I think - can someone confirm? - that Alan
Price got big fat royalty cheques for his arrangement
of the traditional material (causing resentment within
the band). Now - he probably deserved it because it
was probably entirely his arrangement. However, if I'm
right and he DID get royalties for his arrangement -
note, not composition - then should not Matthew Fisher
get royalties for his organ arrangement of A Whiter
Shade of Pale? Or any arranger for his arrangements?
Having agreed with Al Kooper originally about who
should be getting song royalties, this has now
confused me again. 

pb



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Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:37:24 -0000
   From: Davie Gordon 
Subject: Re: Feldman, Goldstein, Gottehrer - '60s discography

Thanks Phil - that's a great help, it confirms a few credits I wasn't 
all sure of like the Dion track. I'd never heard of the album and 
like you wonder if there's a second volume.

I've found a few more additions since I typed out the listing and 
thanks to Jeff and Austin have filled in other gaps.

I'll post a revised FGG list in a few weeks time when I've had a chance 
to sort out the guys' post FGG sixties credits - and this time I'll 
include album tracks.  The way my database is set up it's easier to 
track down singles as that's what I've been concentrating on logging.

I really enjoy putting the list together and I'm so pleased that it's 
been enjoyed.

That "Ten Lonely Guys" track must have an interesting story behind it - 
the BMI database lists ten (!) writers for it including Neil Diamond, 
must be one of his earliest credits.

Davie



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Message: 10
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:22:39 -0000
   From: Davie Gordon 
Subject: Re: Hits You Missed

Dan Hughes wrote:
> "Shimmy, Shimmy, Shimmy, Sherry" -- ?? 
> This was a good jumpin' Contours-styled tune (but it was NOT 
> "Shake Sherry"!).

Hi Dan,

Possibly "Shimmy Sherry" by Jerry Heyward and The Everglades
(Symbol 916,1962) written by Phil Medley.

Davie Gordon




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Message: 11
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:15:14 -0600
   From: Dan Hughes 
Subject: Arthur Lee Harper

Rat Pfink sez,
> I always thought The Kitchen Cinq was a great name.

But after they called their first album "Everything But....", where could
they go next?

Actually, I think I have that album.  They were on Lee Hazlewood's label
(LHI), weren't they?

Speaking of which leads me to ask:

Does anyone here know Arthur Lee Harper?  He did an album on LHI called
"Arthur", wherein he sounded much like a very young, doe-eyed Donovan.  
A couple of years later another album ("Love Is The Message", I believe it
was called), under his full name, on Nocturne which is worth several
hundred dollars now.

Anyway, he and I were pen pals in the '60s when I was a student at Purdue
and on into my Air Force days, and he was a student in San Jose, if I
remember correctly.  I've often wondered if he's still in the biz.

---Dan



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Message: 12
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:15:09 -0800
   From: Michael Godin 
Subject: "Sandy"

> Also, a georgeous pop ballad called "Sandy'  that you never hear
> on the so called "oldies" stations. It was released in '65 or '66 
> by Ronnie and Daytonas. Is it available on CD?

Jim,  You should listen to my oldies radio show, Treasure Island 
Oldies. I played Sandy by Ronny & The Daytonas not long ago. I will 
dig out my copy of Respectable by The Outsiders and play it on the 
show next week (not this week - The Name Game Special is happening 
this week: every song will have someone's name in the title).

All the best.
Michael Godin
http://www.TreasureIslandOldies.com



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Message: 13
   Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:31:59 -0000
   From: J. Shannon 
Subject: Bluebeats / The #1

all:

A Connecticut garage band called the Bluebeats had a minor 
regional hit called "Extra Girl" in '66 on Columbia Records.
A year or so later, they changed their name to The #1 and 
released a song called  "The Collector" which charted into the 
top 40 again only regionally.  Does anyone know if "The 
Collector" was actually the soundtrack to the motion picture?

J. Shannon



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Message: 14
   Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:15:03 -0000
   From: Mick Patrick 
Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach & Hal David's first production

Me:
> Yeah, right! :-) Have a crack at this one, then:
> If the above-mentioned disc was the unlikely debut of Burt 
> Bacharach as credited producer, what was the first disc to bear 
> the legend "Produced by Bacharach and David"?

Al Kooper:
> What year was The Blob????

"The Blob" was from 1958. Yes, it was written by Bacharach & David; 
but Mack David, not his brother Hal. Burt and Hal's first production 
was three years later. Still no takers?

Did you ever cross paths with Burt, Al? I guess that must have been 
kinda inevitable, given that you were both supplying material for 
Gene Pitney.

Hey la,

Mick Patrick



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