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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Goffin/King research
From: Paul Bryant
2. Re: Burt Bacharach & Hal David's first production
From: Mick Patrick
3. Re: Hello Donna Marie / "He Gives Me Love"
From: Laura
4. Re: Bogus groups
From: Phil Milstein
5. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
From: Martin Roberts
6. Re: "Time Is On My Side"
From: Alan Warner
7. Re: "Time Is On My Side"
From: Fred Clemens
8. Re: Burt Bacharach & Hal David's first production
From: Mike Rashkow
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:19:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: Goffin/King research
Don wrote:
> I've seen titles of songs that look like Goffin/King songs,
> that are from that era, but I'm not sure if they are or aren't.
Try this list:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/caroleking/songs.html
pb
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:25:54 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach & Hal David's first production
Me:
> Here's a poser for all you Bacharach experts. What was the
> first record on which Burt was credited as producer?
Some time later, Phil Milstein:
> Mick, I don't believe you ever did reveal the name of Burt
> Bacharach's first production credit.
Me:
> I'd not forgotten.... Believe it or not, the first credited
> Bacharach production was "Three Wheels On My Wagon" b/w "One
> Part Dog, Nine Parts Cat" by Dick Van Dyke, released on Jamie
> 1178 in January 1961. Both sides were written and produced by
> Burt Bacharach and Bob Hilliard....
Phil:
> We knew that -- we were just testing you.
Me:
> Yeah, right! :-)
Mike Rashkovsky:
> Mick, I can vouch for that. Phil wrote me off line and told
> me the answer.
What you say. :-)
You two are obviously up to snuff in the Bacharanorak league. So
you'll have no problems answering my subsequent poser, then:
> ...what was the first disc to bear the legend "Produced by
> Bacharach and David"?
The record concerned might seem a little unlikely. Well, it would,
wouldn't it? Or I wouldn't be asking, would I?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:24:39 -0000
From: Laura
Subject: Re: Hello Donna Marie / "He Gives Me Love"
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Hello Donna Marie, welcome to S'pop. Happy to bring back some
> good memories for ya. I've posted the A-side, your version of
> Massiel's Eurovision Song Contest winner "He Gives Me Love
> (La, La, La)", to musica too.
Hi Mick, Thanks for posting that one too! Luvvit!
With la la love,
La La Laura
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:39:42 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Bogus groups
Mike McKay wrote:
> Meanwhile, I've also seen "The Shangri-las" in the last few years.
> I knew going in they were bogus, of course, but went anyway just
> to see how they'd do. The most notable comment I can make about
> their performance is "What can you say about a group that calls
> itself The Shangri-las and does exactly TWO Shangri-las songs in
> the course of their entire show?"
I've heard of (in fact, seen video clips of) a bogus Shangri-Las that
lip-syncs their entire act to the original recordings, and, as if that
doesn't take enough chutzpah, introduces their songs with comments along
the lines of, "And after that hit, here's another one we had."
A footnote in my "Shangri-Las '77" article
(http://www.spectropop.com/Shangri-Las) details some of the legal
battles surrounding this faux SLs:
"After the 1977 reunion they performed together only once, at a 1989
Palisades Park remembrance at the Meadowlands Arena in New Jersey. In a
display of chutzpah profound even by music industry standards, oldies
promoters Dick Fox and Larry Marshak, who included an ersatz Shangri-Las
among their stable of bogus acts, had sought a court injunction to
prevent the original group from performing the Palisades Park show under
the Shangri-Las name. The promoters argued that since it hadn't been
used in so long the name had lapsed into the public domain, and they had
by now established themselves as the owners of the trademark. Their
request was wisely denied, and the girls were able to do the show."
A footnote to that footnote is that, at least according to rumor, the
Weiss sisters eventually reached a compromise agreement with Marshak and
Fox, according to which they could continue to peddle acts under the
Shangri-Las banner while paying royalties to the real SLs.
--Phil M.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:13:50 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
Phil Milstein gets this week's Gold Star for forwarding the
first(?) magazine interview with Jack. It's from "Songwriter's
Review", October '65. Read it on the magazine page:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/magazines.htm
Record of the Week on the home page is The New Society's "Buttermilk".
Next week, the choice is between two Jack Nitzsche LP tracks from the
60s, "Ringo" and "Revolutionary Etude":
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
In the radio interview Jack talks about working with Phil Spector
and creating hits such as "Zip-a-Dee Doo-Dah, "He's A Rebel",
"River Deep - Mountain High" and more. A fairly long download but
worth the wait: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm
Martin
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:26:52 -0800
From: Alan Warner
Subject: Re: "Time Is On My Side"
Yes, the Kai Winding version of "Time Is On My Side" did pre-date
the Irma Thomas record; It was recorded on October 3, 1963 and
produced by Creed Taylor. The vocal is by The Enchanters who
earlier that year had sung with Garnet Mimms on his milestone hit
CRY BABY which was written, as TIME IS ON MY SIDE was, by Jerry
Ragovoy. Jerry wrote the arrangement for the Kai Winding version.
Rock on!
Alan Warner
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 12:20:47 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: "Time Is On My Side"
Mick Patrick:
> Trombonist Kai Winding's version, a semi-instrumental, was
> released on Verve 10307 in 1963. The vocals on the record were
> supplied by the Gospelaires, most likely featuring Dee Dee
> Warwick, her big sister Dionne, their aunt Cissy Houston, and
> maybe some others. The Irma Thomas rendition, recorded in Los
> Angeles with arranger/conductor H. B. Barnum and producer Eddie
> Ray, came out on Imperial 66041 in 1964.
Hi Mick ...Could you validate or show the source of your info stating
that the Gospelaires were the "Vocal Group" on the Kai Winding record?
The only other alternative to that "group" I've heard was the
Enchanters (the Garnett Mimms group). It does sound like them, but
even still I am unsure.
Al Kooper, ...since you know someone who was THERE, could you
validate the actual "Group" on the recording?
Thanks ...
Fred Clemens
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 07:45:23 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach & Hal David's first production
Mick Patrick:
> You two are obviously up to snuff in the Bacharanorak league. So
> you'll have no problems answering my subsequent poser, then:
>
> ...what was the first disc to bear the legend "Produced by
> Bacharach and David"?
>
> The record concerned might seem a little unlikely. Well, it would,
> wouldn't it? Or I wouldn't be asking, would I?
PHIL,
I'll pass this easy slam-dunk to you. Show 'em what you got son.
Rashkovsky
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