________________________________________________________________________ SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop! ________________________________________________________________________ There are 26 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Kitchen Cinq From: Al Kooper 2. Re: Buddy Hollies Songs From: Billy G. Spradlin 3. Fuzztone factadamatter From: Al Kooper 4. The Cyrkle's "I Wish You Could Be Here" From: Al Kooper 5. Re: "Time Is On My Side" From: Mick Patrick 6. Re: Great Shakes/Shake A Pudding jingles From: Mark Hill 7. on Porpoise and some short stuff From: Country Paul 8. Bobby Russell? From: Dan Hughes 9. "Just One Smile" / "You Don't Love Me" From: Chris 10. Re: "Time Is On My Side" From: Al Kooper 11. "Halfway" From: Julio Niño 12. Re: "Halfway" From: Mick Patrick 13. Re: The Now Sound From: Phil Milstein 14. Re: Connie Francis From: TD Stout 15. Re: Goffin/King research From: Frank Young 16. "Tracks" magazine From: Andrew C. Jones 17. Re: Happy Together From: Alan Gordon 18. Re: AK & The Zombies From: Bob Radil 19. song help From: Bill George 20. Re: Lownly Crowde version of Shadows & Reflections From: John Berg 21. Re: hello Donna Marie From: Donna Marie 22. Re: Last Poni-Tails Single; the Shannons From: Tom 23. Austin Roberts on "The 60s Show" From: Bob Radil 24. Re: Gregory Howard From: Martin Roberts 25. Re: The Chants' "Respectable" From: Fred Clemens 26. Re: Keith Hampshire From: John G. Henderson ________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 08:07:32 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Kitchen Cinq Mike Dugo: > creating a "complete" Kitchen Cinq CD. It's a shame a legit CD > of the LP or a collection of their material has not been > released yet... Al Kooper, did you ever meet the band? Do you > have any recollections? Nope eastcoast/westcoast thang -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:03:44 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Buddy Hollies Songs Steve Harvey wrote: > I vote for the Hollies' version of "Wishing" that came > out on their tribute lp back in the 80s. Still waiting > for it to come out on CD. The Hollies "Buddy Holly" LP was reissued on CD as part of the "Four More Hollies Classics" box set from EMI in the UK. Dont know if its still in print. Billy http://listen.to/jangleradio -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 05:13:57 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Fuzztone factadamatter > Does anybody here know anything that could extend the fuzztone > timeline back a little further? Well, factadamatter is Link Wray made pinpricks with a safety pin in his amp speaker and achieved what I would call the first fuzztone on Rumble & Rawhide sometime in the late '50's. Far as I'm concerned he was the originator and inventor of that sound. AL Kooper MoleClinician -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 05:16:48 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: The Cyrkle's "I Wish You Could Be Here" Justin McDevitt: > The Cyrkle's I Wish You Could Be here, written by Paul Simon and > my all-time favorite soft-pop song is on A Cyrkle compilation; > (can't recall the label)... That would be SONY-Legacy, Justin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 13:16:52 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: "Time Is On My Side" I wrote: > Trombonist Kai Winding's version, a semi-instrumental, was > released on Verve 10307 in 1963. The vocals on the record were > supplied by the Gospelaires, most likely featuring Dee Dee > Warwick, her big sister Dionne, their aunt Cissy Houston, and > maybe some others... Fred Clemens: > ...Kai Winding came first. His version, which allegedly used > the Enchanters as the "Vocal Group" (uncredited), was recorded > in October of 1963... Alan Warner: > Yes, the Kai Winding version of "Time Is On My Side" did pre- > date the Irma Thomas record; It was recorded on October 3, 1963 > and produced by Creed Taylor. The vocal is by The Enchanters who > earlier that year had sung with Garnet Mimms on his milestone hit > CRY BABY which was written, as TIME IS ON MY SIDE was, by Jerry > Ragovoy. Jerry wrote the arrangement for the Kai Winding version. Fred: > Hi Mick ...Could you validate or show the source of your info > stating that the Gospelaires were the "Vocal Group" on the Kai > Winding record? The only other alternative to that "group" I've > heard was the Enchanters (the Garnett Mimms group). It does sound > like them, but even still I am unsure. Let's get this sorted. The Enchanters were the backing group of Garnet Mimms. Although they were credited on the label of his smash hit of 1963, "Cry Baby", they did NOT sing on the record. The actual backing vocalists on "Cry Baby" were the (uncredited) Gospelaires, the same outfit that sang on Kai Winding's "Time Is On My Side". The real Enchanters DID sing on "Don't Change Your Heart", the b-side of "Cry Baby". The Enchanters (two or more men and one woman) and the Gospelaires (three or more women) had very different sounds. It's easy to tell the two groups apart. The Gospelaires sang on hundreds of New York recording sessions in the early and mid-1960s. Their line-up was fluid; at one time or another including Dee Dee Warwick, Dionne Warwick, Cissy Houston, Myrna Smith, Carol Slade, Doris Troy, Judy Clay, Sylvia Shemwell, Estelle Brown, and maybe some others. They subsequently evolved into the Sweet Inspirations. Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:49:57 -0500 From: Mark Hill Subject: Re: Great Shakes/Shake A Pudding jingles Country Paul wrote: > I'm looking for an original jingle from a New York based product > called "Cool Shakes." Doug Richard wrote: > That sure sounds like the Yardbirds "Great Shakes" commercial to me. That's what I was thinking, too. I know I have heard a jingle by The Who for "Great Shakes". I have seen a promo vinyl single with Great Shakes jingles for auction and the jingles have been on bootleg LPs and CDs. Shake-A-Pudding -- Also, during this wonderful era of mid-60s pop/rock commercial jingles, I remember this one that had a real go-go/Shindig feel. I even used to have a "Shake A Pudding" shaker -- now long gone. Here are the never to be forgotten (by me, anyway) lyrics: There's a new kind of pudding And you can make it It's called "Shake-A-Pudding" And all you do is shake it Shake, shake, shake a pudding Pudding, pudding, shake a pudding Anyone else remember this and know of any rock/pop connections to this tune? "Dr. Mark" Hill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:35:05 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: on Porpoise and some short stuff Mark: > The next Monkees] single Porpoise Song was also weak. Disagree strongly, Mark; you're attacking my favorite Monkees track. I do agree about a general descent by the group, although Mike Nesmith was emerging from it to have his own solid repertoire with "Joanne" and more. I don't profess to be an expert on this group, as I was a Beatles- progressive rock type and the Monkees were initially viewed as the manufactured rip-offs; but ultimately, their talent won me over, and to my ears "Porpoise Song" was going in a good direction for them. Just my opinion, and, like noses, everyone has one. Doug Richard, Re: Awesome group names > I always thought that "Simon Stokes and His Incredible Black Whip > Thrill Band" was a cool name... ... and "Voodoo Woman" was a cool record, especially the fierce riff it was built on. (Truly a medley of their greatest hit!) Dan Hughes: > You Been Torturin' Me by Gary Paxton, I think on his GarPax > label? I'd love to hear that one on musica.... That was on Paxley 752, and is collected on the Kim Fowley CD excellently reviewed by Phil Milstein. Worth checking the whole collection, IMO. more Dan: > And of course the ones I didn't like [from The Hits You Missed > packages] (Donald Where's Your Troosers by somebody I've forgotten, > but I remember it was on Warwick) .... That was actually the B-side of "A Scottish Soldier" by Andy Stewart, which for some reason was a small hit in the US. (I have it too!) Mike Rashkow: > No doubt everyone's warm thoughts go out to Steve Tudanger. Thanks for being the messenger to him for us. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:07:51 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Bobby Russell? Austin, I know you are a close friend of Buzz Cason, and I wonder if you also knew Bobby Russell and if so, if you have any stories about him? Thanks, ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 17:05:15 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Subject: "Just One Smile" / "You Don't Love Me" Bob Radil: > We just gave "Just One Smile" a spin [ ... ] > "You Don't Love Me" got a spin My first instinct told me that "Just One Smile" was the "Dusty In Memphis" version, although it could just as easily have been Gene Pitney or Scott Walker or Kooper-based BST. And "You Don't Love Me"? Is that Sonny & Cher or The Roulettes? I'll be *entirely* unable to devote my attentions to novelist Thomas Berger until these mysteries are cleared up ... "I Like To Recognize The Tune", Chris P.S. Whose is your preferred version of the Newman tune, anyway? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:50:03 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: "Time Is On My Side" Mick wrote: > Trombonist Kai Winding's version, a semi-instrumental, was > released on Verve 10307 in 1963. The vocals on the record were > supplied by the Gospelaires, most likely featuring Dee Dee > Warwick, her big sister Dionne, their aunt Cissy Houston, and > maybe some others... Fred Clemens: > ...Kai Winding came first. His version, which allegedly used > the Enchanters as the "Vocal Group" (uncredited), was recorded > in October of 1963... Alan Warner: > Yes, the Kai Winding version of "Time Is On My Side" did pre- > date the Irma Thomas record; It was recorded on October 3, 1963 > and produced by Creed Taylor. The vocal is by The Enchanters who > earlier that year had sung with Garnet Mimms on his milestone hit > CRY BABY which was written, as TIME IS ON MY SIDE was, by Jerry > Ragovoy. Jerry wrote the arrangement for the Kai Winding version. Fred Clemens: > Hi Mick ...Could you validate or show the source of your info > stating that the Gospelaires were the "Vocal Group" on the Kai > Winding record? The only other alternative to that "group" I've > heard was the Enchanters (the Garnett Mimms group). It does sound > like them, but even still I am unsure... Mick: > Let's get this sorted. > The Enchanters were the backing group of Garnet Mimms. Although > they were credited on the label of his smash hit of 1963, "Cry > Baby", they did NOT sing on the record. The actual backing > vocalists on "Cry Baby" were the (uncredited) Gospelaires, the > same outfit that sang on Kai Winding's "Time Is On My Side". > > The real Enchanters DID sing on "Don't Change Your Heart", the > b-side of "Cry Baby". The Enchanters (two or more men and one > woman) and the Gospelaires (three or more women) had very > different sounds. It's easy to tell the two groups apart. > > The Gospelaires sang on hundreds of New York recording sessions in > the early and mid-1960s. Their line-up was fluid; at one time or > another including Dee Dee Warwick, Dionne Warwick, Cissy Houston, > Myrna Smith, Carol Slade, Doris Troy, Judy Clay, Sylvia Shemwell, > Estelle Brown, and maybe some others. They subsequently evolved > into the Sweet Inspirations. Fred: > Al Kooper, ...since you know someone who was THERE, could you > validate the actual "Group" on the recording? I gotta call into Rags already al kooper soul clinician -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:06:21 -0000 From: Julio Niño Subject: "Halfway" Hola Everybody, This week I´m in love with a little song, "Halfway" (B. DeVorzon, B.Chandler), that I´ve found hidden in a Sundazed compilation of Bruce and Terry. The track was recorded in 1963 but it wasn´t released. Could anybody tell me if there are any other versions of this beautiful song?. Is the B. Chandler on the credits Barbara Chandler. Thank you. Julio Niño. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:23:55 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: "Halfway" Julio Nino wrote: > Hola Everybody, This week I'm in love with a little song, > "Halfway" (B. DeVorzon, B.Chandler), that I've found hidden > in a Sundazed compilation of Bruce and Terry. The track was > recorded in 1963 but it wasn't released. Could anybody tell > me if there are any other versions of this beautiful song?. > Is the B. Chandler on the credits Barbara Chandler. Hola Julio, We seem to have very similar taste in records. I agree, Bruce & Terry's version of "Halfway" is gorgeous. The song was written by Barry DeVorzon and Bodie Chandler, both members of Barry & the Tamerlanes, an excellent group. I'd also recommend the versions by young Eddie Hodges (Columbia 42811, 1963) and (not so young) Frankie Laine (Capitol 5299, 1964). I doubt if it's available on CD, so I've posted the Frankie Laine rendition to musica. It's a bit crackly, but enjoy: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:29:22 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: The Now Sound Justin McDevitt wrote: > First of all, The Brass Ring were the true representatives of > the Now Sound that had its brief moment in the mid to late 60s. > Phil Bodmer, who founded and arranged much of their material > was the pied piper of this genre. Thanks for the Brass Ring info, Justin. "The Now Sound" is as good a name for this genre as I could imagine -- has it been kicking around for a while, or did you just come up with it? I also wonder what label The Brass Ring was on. Enoch Light's Command label seemed to release a lot of good stuff in that (general) style -- I especially like some of their Ray Charles Singers albums. Ray Conniff, with his wordless vocals, put together some nice work along those lines, too. Finally, I wonder if anyone's done any Now Sound compilations yet, either bootleg or legit. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 17:25:23 -0800 From: TD Stout Subject: Re: Connie Francis With all the talk about Connie Francis, I've decided to make CDs of several of her albums that haven't been reissued to CD. I was thinking of doing the Burt Bacharach LP and the Connie & Clyde LP, since these two are raved about so much. I have the three Bear Family box sets, the US box set and a number of other CDs, so hopefully I can put them together. Does anyone know where I can get scans of the two LPs (front/back)? I can't even find the track listings. Any help is appreciated. TD Stout -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 04:10:04 -0000 From: Frank Young Subject: Re: Goffin/King research Don listed several titles and asked: > Is there anyone who knows if they were indeed G/K penned songs? All of these are Goffin/Kings. These are all UK covers. I will list the original US artists who recorded them here. Yours Until Tomorrow (Paula Wayne) Don't Forget About Me (Barbara Lewis) Honey And Wine (The All Night Workers, although for my money, the Hollies' version is the definitive one) He's In Town (in the US, the Tokens; again, a UK version by the Rockin' Berries gets my vote as the finest version extant) Walking Proud (Steve Lawrence) Stage Door (Tony Jackson, ex-Searcher, appears to be the first one to get a crack at this one. He waxed it in the UK in '65) Road To Nowhere (Carole King) It's Gonna Be Alright (Maxine Brown) Don't Ever Change (The Crickets) So Much Love (Ben E. King) I Want To Stay Here (Steve Lawrence & Eydie Gorme) Keep Your Hands off My Baby (Little Eva) Pleasant Valley Sunday (Monkees) [You're] Just What I Was Looking For Today (there are equally nice versions of this tune by the Everly Brothers and the Raintree Minority; UK psych band Status Quo did a decent version in '69) Collecting Goffin/King songs is one of my longtime passions. There are times when I think they're my favorite pop songwriting team period. Best, Frank Young -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:55:41 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew C. Jones Subject: "Tracks" magazine Some US S'pop members will no doubt be familiar with the new magazine "Tracks," a pop-music magazine that ISN'T mostly geared toward the youth audience -- its motto is "Music Built to Last." I received the second issue in the mail today, and while "Tracks" usually deals with post-Spectropop music, this issue has two items of interest to us S'poppers -- one of good news, the other of bad news. First, the good news: There's a brief but interesting chat with Joey Levine -- it's mostly about his current jingle-writing career, but he does discuss "Yummy Yummy Yummy." Here's fair warning, though: What he says about the inspiration for "YYY" may not sit well with some of us. Now, the bad news: There's a positive review of Starsailor's album "Silence Is Easy," which a lot of S'poppers may disagree with. ACJ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:24:43 -0700 (MST) From: Alan Gordon Subject: Re: Happy Together Eddy, thanks for sharing the lp artwork, very funny stuff. As far as the outro of "Happy Together,"tThe song is one of unrequited love."Imagine me and you": in other words the guy knows he's not going to get the girl he loves, and so at the end he is resigned to that fact and so the words "And how is the weather" are meant to say "what else is new?" [I guess I'll always love that girl}, and it rhymed well so I put it in! Her name can be found in another one of my songs, "The Dance At St. Francis." Best, That alan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:34:13 -0000 From: Bob Radil Subject: Re: AK & The Zombies Al Kooper wrote: > As far as The Zombies album: > I had made my first pilgrimage to the UK in 1968, ... > ...and that of course was more than sufficient. Hi Al, In another post I mentioned playing a couple of your songs on the air last Thursday night. Coincidentally, someone called for "Time Of The Season" and I later closed the show with their followup single, "Imagine The Swan", without knowing your connection. You learn something new every day! Bob Radil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:56:38 EST From: Bill George Subject: song help I remember watching an episode of Sha Na Na in the 70s. Barbi Benton was the guest, and she sang a song which was I think titled "Singing in my Corvette." I also think she said she wrote it. I've never seen it on record anywhere. Does anyone know if it was ever released? And other info on it? thanks for any help. Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:48:11 EST From: John Berg Subject: Re: Lownly Crowde version of Shadows & Reflections Does anybody in the Spectropop universe know where I can hear the Lownly Crowde version of Shadows & Reflections, as released on an MGM single in the mid-'60s? John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 06:10:41 -0000 From: Donna Marie Subject: Re: hello Donna Marie Mick Patrick wrote: > Hello Donna Marie, welcome to S'pop. Happy to bring back some > good memories for ya. Thanks again Mick. Really enjoying S'pop. Donna Marie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 07:36:11 -0000 From: Tom Subject: Re: Last Poni-Tails Single; the Shannons It would be fantastic if someone could play the last Poni-Tails single "Who, When and Why" b/w "Oh My, You" to musica if possible. I was surprised when it didn't turn up on the "Born Too Late" CD, and I have a feeling that neither track may ever show up on a CD. I'd love to hear these recordings. Does anyone have them? Speaking of "Born Too Late", the Shannons did a version of this song in the '60s. I love their version as well, their voices are so innocent and their harmonies so pretty. It's always made me wonder though, who are the Shannons? The only other song by them I have heard is "Mister Sunshine Man". Did they record anything else? Any info or pictures? Tom -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 06:01:57 -0000 From: Bob Radil Subject: Austin Roberts on "The 60s Show" Hello All, The plan calls for fellow spectropopper, Austin Roberts, to join us on "The 60s Show" this coming Thursday, Feb. 12. The show will be on from 8PM to 11PM, Eastern time. (Friday 0100-0400 GMT) During the show you can listen by clicking on mms://67.163.130.32:8080/ At other times the link is off. For those in Southern Connecticut, you can hear the show on WNHU/88.7 - Joe Nelson, another contributor here, should also be on hand. This should be an interesting show! To: Ron Dante, Hi Ron. It's too bad we didn't have this streaming thing working when you joined us a while back. Take care, Bob Radil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:00:08 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Re: Gregory Howard Al Kooper replied to my query: > The original production was released on Kapp in '63. I dont know > anything about Gee Records releasing it in '57 when that was quite > impossible. We didn't produce the record til '63 and I didn't start > recording til '58!~ It was under the name Gregory Howard and he was > 12 when we did it. Friend of Irwin Levine's. There were no Gee-Tones > credited. In fact, thats pretty much the Cadillacs singing backup > with Ronnie Bright singing the bass (same guy who sang the bass part > on Mr. Bass Man) Some kinda mixup ya got goin there. Thanks to Al Kooper for information on the recording of this track. I've been ferreting around for information about the record's release. I would welcome any corrections or additional information but as it stands so far: Originally released on Kapp 536 but only as a demo/DJ/promo, no regular issue. When the record was heard and its scarcity realised by the doo-wop fraternity the record was soon, in the late 60s, bootlegged. This release credits the artist as "The Gee-Tones featuring 15-year-old Gregory Howard", and with tongue firmly in cheek was issued on the label most famous for Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, Gee 1013. This has caused some confusion -- due to the age of the bootleg many authoritive guides list this record as a legitimate release with a price to match; one seller has the 45 listed at $50s. As for the value of the original and legitimate Kapp release, I hope you've got a few copies tucked away, Al! If asked I'd be pleased to play the track to musica (for nothing!). Talking of the Cadillacs, about the same time they were supplying backing vocals for Gregory Howard, they were doing the same for Bobby Ray on Capitol, "La Bomba"/"I Saw You". Another pair (particularly "When I Saw You") of fine uptempo doo-wop songs, both arranged by Teacho Wiltshire. Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:27:37 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: The Chants' "Respectable" > Also for once and for all is this originally by The Chants, > circa 1961-62? Or is that a completely different tune? The Chants' "Respectable" was the same song as the Outsiders, but they weren't the original. The original (and best, IMHO) was by the Isley Brothers, for RCA Victor Records in 1959. It was flipped with quite a "respectable" version of "Without A Song". The Chants recorded 2 or 3 different versions of the tune. At least they had at least three separate label issues (UWR?, M-G-M, and Twentieth Century) The Twentieth Century issue credits, as I recall, Jimmy Soul and the Chants. That version appears on an oddball LP issue (Premier/Coronet ... one was mono and the other enhanced stereo) mistakingly crediting it to Jimmy Soul and the Belmonts. Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 26 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 13:30:54 -0000 From: John G. Henderson Subject: Re: Keith Hampshire To help clarify recent comments and questions plus add to the superb trivia found regularly with this group, Keith Hampshire was an announcer at CHUM-AM in Toronto some years ago. He is now semi-retired from the media industry. His daughter, Laura Hampshire, hosts the morning drive show on Country 96 in Kingston, Ontario. Knowing how explosive radio is, please note that Country 96 just recently changed their site to JOE-FM, so whether she's still there Monday and still playing country is your guess. John H -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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