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There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Caper Brothers @ Musica
From: Joe Nelson
2. Re: The Liverpools - Beatle Covers
From: Mikey
3. Re: Cameo-Parkway & Stereo
From: Joe Nelson
4. Re: The Paul Simon Songbook CD
From: Eddy
5. Re: The Chartbusters
From: Rat Pfink
6. Dual 45 aka Compatible Stereo groove
From: Paul Urbahns
7. Back from a foreign land!
From: Mike Rashkow
8. Paul Schaffer
From: Dave O'Gara
9. Re: T-Bones Howe
From: Phil X. Milstein
10. Re: commercially speaking / Happy Together
From: Phil X. Milstein
11. Jim Gribble
From: Al Kooper
12. Niki Sullivan
From: Steve Harvey
13. Johnny Maestro, etc
From: Gary Myers
14. Re: Howard Kaylan autobiography?
From: Roger Smith
15. Dual 45s, Eric Records
From: Country Paul
16. Re: Sha Na Na
From: Clark Besch
17. Re: Comfortable Chair now on musica
From: Gary Myers
18. Re: The Chartbusters
From: Clark Besch
19. Re: Dual 45s
From: Clark Besch
20. Re: Howard Kaylan autobiography?
From: (That) Alan Gordon
21. The Sandpipers, Florida's answer to the Shangri-Las
From: Mick Patrick
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:52:03 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Caper Brothers @ Musica
Country Paul:
> Speaking of musica, The Caper Brothers is quite interesting - but
> it cut out abruptly at 1:44. Is it my listening device, or did it
> do that when played to musica?
It downloaded fine for me. I remember Christine Quaite's "Long After
Tonight Is Over" cutting out on my end. Thanks to my habit of DLing
stuff and not listening to it untill I've accumulated enough to burn
a full CD, I didn't find out till it was pulled. Try DLing again.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:15:15 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: The Liverpools - Beatle Covers
Paul Uhrbans:
> One interesting sidelight on the Wyncote label. It was a division
> of Cameo Parkway and reissued many of the Cameo Parkway artists and
> albums in a low priced format. If the original album was mono on
> Cameo Parkway then it was rechanneled stereo on Wyncote. But If it
> was an original Wyncote album it was usually in real stereo. So
> Cameo Parkway was issuing mono Lps on their full priced label and
> stereo and mono releases on its dollar label. I have never
> understood that.
Paul is right about that. I have both Liverpools Lps, and the second
one is in True Stereo. On the budget label, Wyncote.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:35:19 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Cameo-Parkway & Stereo
Paul Uhrbans:
> One interesting sidelight on the Wyncote label. It was a division
> of Cameo Parkway and reissued many of the Cameo Parkway artists and
> albums in a low priced format. If the original album was mono on
> Cameo Parkway then it was rechanneled stereo on Wyncote. But If it
> was an original Wyncote album it was usually in real stereo. So
> Cameo Parkway was issuing mono Lps on their full priced label and
> stereo and mono releases on its dollar label. I have never
> understood that.
Not all CP releases were mono only, but if people were more likely to
pick up a mono copy of a given title than a stereo one it wasn't worth
it to rechannel what wasn't stereo in the first place. (I'm not sure
of any spectific examples of a stereo Cameo LP being reissued directly
on Wyncote. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if Wyncote compiled a
mono LP consisting of tracks variously availible in stereo or not,
then rechanneled the lot for stereo release rather than creating a
proper stereo master using true stereo mixes when availible.)
As the 60's progressed, it became more likely that the stereo
variation on a given release would sell. Since the rechanneled
reissues were newer than the mono originals, it was more likely that
they'd sell in a stereo format: thus the decision by CP to issue a
stereo variation when the Wyncote reissue came up. The concept that
mono sounded better than rechanneled stereo never seemed to fit into
the equation, as evidenced by the glut of albums only availible in
fake stereo untill the CD era got people thinking more seriously about
sound quality.
Which gets me thinking - when did the fake stereo plague really take
off, anyway?...
Joe Nelson
(obviously thinking someonee who knows more about this than I do needs
to weigh in...)
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:24:44 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: The Paul Simon Songbook CD
KB:
> Does anyone else have any details on this box set? I've always
> assumed it was an American release, but it might have come out
> of the UK.
This is indeed a US box set (Columbia C5X 37581) from 1981. 5 LP's,
including The Paul Simon songbook, Paul Simon, There goes rhymin'
Simon, Live rhymin' and Still crazy after all these years. It's the
only US release of the Songbook until now. This box was released
just about simultaneously with THE COLLECTED WORKS, the 5LP box
featuring the 5 Simon & Garfunkel LP's (Columbia C5X 37587), which
saw a re-issue on 3 cd's in 1990.
Eddy
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:37:06 -0400
From: Rat Pfink
Subject: Re: The Chartbusters
Country Paul wrote:
> I happened to see the Chartbusters live when "She's The One" was
> hitting. No confusion with the Beatles; rather, they were a
> really good rock band in their own right - from the Philadelphia
> area, I believe
I think someone already mentioned that they were originally known
as Bobby Poe & The Poe Kats, from Kansas. They relocated to
Washington DC and eventually changed their name.
RP
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:34:33 EDT
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Dual 45 aka Compatible Stereo groove
Joe Nelson asked:
> Always wondered what "Dual 45" meant, and I'm still not sure.
> May I beg for clarification?
This may be more than you want to know but, a Dual 45 was another
name used, in this case by Buddah, to indicate the 45 would play
in stereo on a stereo phonograph and mono oon a mono record player
without damage to the record. It was the same old Compatible disk
mastering that had been used by promotionally priced labels
(Modern Sound, Design, etc) since the early 60s. Mono records used
a standard groove and the needle onlys moved back and forth across.
Stereo records used a sharper (or finer point needle) so the needle
could also moved up and down in the groove. That gave you two
channels of sound. If your record player (a mono one) did not have
a stereo needle it it, the up and down movement would cause excess
wear of the groove walls and the stereo record would wear out
quicker. Besides if you tried playing a non Compatible stereo
record on a stereo record player after years of use on a mono
machine one channel would usually have a lot of noise it it from
excess wear.
To make a Compatible record (which was made popular in full priced
labels when Columbia eliminated the mono albums in the late 60s),
All the frequency of sound from 500 cycles down was put in phase,
meaning mono, with those sounds included in both channels. It cut
down on the channel seperation but was very much like the way we
use a sub woofer today. That means the amount of up and down
movement (the difference between the right and left channels) was
less and a mono needle could usually track it without damaging the
record.
Radio stations especially like compatible 45 records because the
channel seperation is not that great on radio and if the station
had a stereo FM signal then the single would be in stereo rather
than traditional mono.
Columbia albums with the wording to the effect, "Stereo but can be
played on mono equipment" albums were originally cut in compatible.
Each company called it something different but it was always the
same process.
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:53:30 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Back from a foreign land!
Hola Spectropop,
Just returned from a short trip to Costa Rica. Their indigenous
music does not seem to be very popular with natives or tourists.
Much of the very good things we heard comes from Brazil, Puerto
Rico, Cuba and also from the smaller Caribbean islands as well as
"World Music" from all over.
Anyway, I have three tings on my buy list when I can find a site.
In the meanwhile, I had over 300 messages on this screen name
alone and I can't face it, so if anyone has anything they would
particularly like me to read or in which they think I might have
a special interest, kndly send it to me off the board.
Thanks.
Senor Miguel Rashkow
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:22:15 -0000
From: Dave O'Gara
Subject: Paul Schaffer
The one chance I had to go New York to see the Late Show with David
Letterman, I was thrilled to listen to Paul Schaffer and the CBS
Orchestra in person. As fans of the show know, they do killer
versions of classic rock/pop songs. Does anyone know if the the band
has released any of this material on CD? Also, Al K, have you seen
Paul and the band do "I Love You More than You'll Ever Know" during
the long break on the Late Show? It seems to have become a highlight
for the studio audience, especially when a "celebrity" comes on stage
with a James Brown type cape to drape over Paul's shoulders.
Dave 0'
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:56:27 -0400
From: Phil X. Milstein
Subject: Re: T-Bones Howe
Mac Joseph wrote:
> ... See another gentleman wrote back and stated that Bones Howe
> had been the engineer on those great records. I had "No Matter
> What Shape" by the T-Bones, (Liberty Records as I recall, and
> Bones Howe's name is listed as engineer ...
Maybe that's "howe" they came up with the name "T-Bones".
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:05:12 -0400
From: Phil X. Milstein
Subject: Re: commercially speaking / Happy Together
Mark A.Johnston wrote:
> I am a long-time Turtles fan and I think Mark should be happy people
> even take notice. I am sure it will sell more records in the end, as
> people want to search out the Turtles version after being reminded
> on major commercial television. I also think it is funny, as Mark
> doesn't own the song. I also think artists should be paid and make
> some money for their works. I hope this influx of cash helps you to
> be more comfortable or do something you really enjoy for you or your
> family members. The change of lyrics has not tarnished the song - it
> is brilliant pop and always will be.
Court rulings, on cases in the 1980s involving both Bette Midler and
Tom Waits, have already supported the fact that vocal artists, who make
their living based on the identifiability of their voices, own the
rights to those identifications. In other words their voices are their
trademarks, much as McDonald's owns the rights to the golden arches
logo and the name "Big Mac." To allow infringements on such trademarks
to slip by unchallenged is to give precedence to the free use of them,
and thus risk their falling into the public domain. Ever since those
judgments, most advertisers -- the smart ones, anyway -- have been
tagging disclaimers onto any celebrity imitations they use in their ads.
The only case Applebee's would have, as I see it (and no I ain't no
lawyer), is over the issue of whether Dante's vocal was deliberately
close enough to Volman's as to constitute an imitation.
--Phil Milstein
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:40:33 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Jim Gribble
Mick Patrick:
> ...The Santells "So Fine" (Courier 115, 1964). Written by Jim
> Gribble (it says here).
When I was growing up (1958-59) Jim Gribble was a manager at 1697
Broadway (Ed Sullivan building) He managed The Mystics & The Passions.
He was a tall John Wayne, Texan kinda guyand well-liked. He hired me
to play piano & guitar for auditions & recording sessions and always
had a twenty for me. HOWEVER, as with John Wayne, I can't imagine him
writing a song, unless he studied with Morris Levy or Alan Freed.
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:15:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Niki Sullivan
>From the NY Times yesterday:
Niki Sullivan, 66, Guitarist for Buddy Holly, Dies.
Niki Sullivan, who played guitar as a member of Buddy Holly and
the Crickets, died on Tuesday in his sleep at his home here, family
members said. He was 66.
Mr. Sullivan played on 27 of 32 songs Holly recorded before his
death, and he toured with the band during its climb to stardom in
1957. He moved to the Kansas City area in the 1970's.
In a 2002 interview he told The Examiner of Independence, Mo., that
he still received about 30 fan letters a year from people wanting
to know about his life as a Cricket.
Mr. Sullivan had left the band before the 1959 plane crash that
killed Holly, the Big Bopper and Ritchie Valens. He did some solo
work after leaving the Crickets.
Reared in Lubbock, Tex., and a Navy veteran, Mr. Sullivan had
recently retired from Sony Electronics.
Mr. Sullivan is survived by his wife, Fran; twin sons Eryn and
Marty; and a granddaughter, Holly Erin.
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:49:41 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Johnny Maestro, etc
>From David Ponak:
> Conversely, I saw Gene Pitney at the same venue about 7 years ago,
> and his set list was a hardcore fan's dream.
In a similar vein, I saw Johnny Maestro & the Brooklyn Bridge in
Long Beach about 6-7 yrs ago and they were great, and they included
all the Crests, Del-Satins, etc. that anyone could expect.
>From Mac Joseph:
> I will definitely check out Gary's website...
If that's my website you're referring to, I confess that I don't
really have any stories or anything on it, and very little graphics.
So far, it's just a very basic site where people can find out about
my two books and my continuing Wisc research. Eventually I plan to
have an actual profession looking site, but that must wait for now.
:-)
gem
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:26:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Roger Smith
Subject: Re: Howard Kaylan autobiography?
Previously:
> Yo Alan--my wife heard on an oldies station this morning that Howard
> Kaylan is coming out with his autobiography. Wonder if you'd heard
> anything about this, or know how to get a copy? Okay, a SIGNED copy??
You can ask Howard Kaylan about it. His email address is listed at
theturtles.com: hkaylan@theturtles.com.
BTW ... my wife and I have adopted "Happy Together" as "our song." We
see The Turtles perform it in concert multiple times almost every year
at Epcot at Walt Disney World. Five years ago, Howard wrote "I promise
to attend your wedding" on a photo he signed for us. Unfortunately, he
didn't make it. But, we'll be there to see them again this year
on our anniversary in May.
Anyone here planning a trip to Walt Disney World should consider
visiting sometime from mid-April to early June during Epcot's "Flower
and Garden Festival." The "Flower Power" concerts are free with park
admission. The performers include The Tutles, Davy Jones, The
Buckinghams, BJ Thomas, Gary Puckett, Eric Burden, and other 60s and
70s artists.
-- Roger
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:06:33 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Dual 45s, Eric Records
Joe Nelson:
> Always wondered what "Dual 45" meant, and I'm still not sure. May
> I beg for clarification?
Plays just fine in mono or stereo, I believe.
Clark Besch:
> Hi, was talking to Bill Buster today at Eric and he was telling
> me about his upcoming Cds.... http://www.ericrecords.com
I just spent a while browsing their site - I keep forgetting what a
wonderful catalog they have, with lots of otherwise forgotten cool
stuff, much of which has not been treated kindly by the reissue market.
Country Paul
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:17:09 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Sha Na Na
Karen Andrew:
> Is this the same Sha Na Na that had the TV program in the 80s
> (I think)? If so, what a great show! "Acting" out the songs
> really made me appreciate some of those doo wop oldies and was
> also an intro. to the doo wops. But, they also sang other types
> of pop music and it was a lot of fun.
Yes, I believe they did have a TV show then. I agree, they sang
some great music besides just 50's covers. A modernized doowop
song "Bounce In your Buggy" was the right record released in a
wrong time. There was the country-fied novelty "Top 40 of the
Lord" and me fave song by the group, the great balled "Only One
Song". Clark
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:00:25 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Comfortable Chair now on musica
> Comfortable Chair now on musica...
An interesting, unusual and lush sounding record. One minor
correction: this is Bernie Schwartz *after* his solo work,
rather than before.
gem
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:45:34 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: The Chartbusters
Paul, the main reason I mentioned the Chartbusters was that the song
WAS on one of those cheap Beatles knockoffs at the time, I believe.
I know they had other 45s on Mutual also. It does sound like a
hillbilly "I Saw Her Standing There" to me, but I LIKE IT!!
On a similar theme, if you've ever heard Laurie Allen & Bobby
Bright's Australian record, "I Belong with You" it's got a similar
effect of having the stomping sound of the DC5 combined with the
rural Everlies vocals making a very unique Brit invasion sounding
record that is GREAT! Clark
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:33:03 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Dual 45s
Joe Nelson:
> Always wondered what "Dual 45" meant, and I'm still not sure. May
> I beg for clarification?
Joe, No problem there. I'm not sure, but I think Buddah was the only
label that may have used the actual term "Dual 45". Maybe they
copywrited it? Anyway, it was first used on the Lemon Pipers' early
1968 45, "Rice is Nice". It showed it was a "Dual 45" on the record
label and on the picture sleeve across the top: "Dual 45 Playable
stereo as well as monaural". That's what it meant. There was always
a controversy on whether you might not want to buy a stereo record if
it was going to be played on a mono record player. Thus, Buddah was
one of a few trying to appease both the mono and stereo buyer. Clark
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:02:10 -0700
From: (That) Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Howard Kaylan autobiography?
Dan Hughes, wanted to know if I knew about a forthcoming autobiography
from Howard Kaylan. This is the first that I have heard about it.
Although It sounds like it would be a fun book to read. Those guys
have really seen a lot, I know they have some good stories to tell.
Howard did write a movie recently called "My Dinner With Jimi" about
an evening he spent in London with the legend.
Best, That Alan
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:52:07 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: The Sandpipers, Florida's answer to the Shangri-Las
Howard wrote:
> ...Soul Up North #43 is now available. This issue includes
> a great article from 'Spectropopper' Jeff Lemlich on the
> Sandpipers...
Jeff Lemlich:
> I should mention this is not the "Guantanamera" Sandpipers,
> but the group of 13 & 14-year-olds that appeared on Tru-
> Glo-Town. They were Florida's answer to the Shangri-Las...
OK, I'm sold. My two quid is in the mail. In the meantime,
Jeff, any chance of a Sandpipers track appearing @ musica?
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeze. There's room at present.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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