Spectropop - Digest Number 1471

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• Date: Wed, 05 May 2004

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Back to Mono
           From: Ed Salamon 
      2. Re: The Penthouse
           From: Al Kooper 
      3. Re: The Magicians Reunited
           From: Clark Besch 
      4. Re: copyright law
           From: Mikey 
      5. Rodney King
           From: Richard Gagnon 
      6. Re: that mellow saxophone
           From: monophonius 
      7. Re: saxophone solo
           From: Al Kooper 
      8. Arrangers On Spector Atlantic Tracks
           From: monophonius 
      9. Spurrlows / Ritchie Cordell
           From: Brent Cash 
     10. Re: Al Gorgoni
           From: Art Longmire 
     11. Re: Four Freshmen
           From: Gary Myers 
     12. Girl Group/Beatles
           From: Simon White 
     13. Re: You Can't Lose Something.........
           From: Al Kooper 
     14. Re: Wally Gold & "It's My Party"
           From: Gary Myers 
     15. Re: Al Gorgoni
           From: Gary Myers 
     16. Re: Donna Marie/Charles Calello
           From: Donna Marie 
     17. Re: Boyce and Hart / Mamas and the Papas
           From: Frank Jastfelder 
     18. Boyce/Hart
           From: Al Kooper 


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Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:19:58 -0000
   From: Ed Salamon 
Subject: Re: Back to Mono

> The mono/stereo debate inflames great passions, and I've 
> been an avid participant for some time. 

Hi Mike,
Your post reminded me of the arguments I used to have with Dick 
Bartley, who was hosting Sold Gold Saturday Night (network radio 
show)for the RKO Radio Network when we (United Stations) bought 
RKO in 1985.

Dick advocated stereo to the point where he would play stereo 
mixes that, to me, sounded far from the original hits - at which 
point I would insist he play the mono version. I especially recall 
our disagreement when the stereo version of "Do You Love Me" came 
out on "Dirty Dancing", which was a whole different take for gosh 
sakes.

Ed



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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 06:02:44 EDT
   From: Al Kooper 
Subject: Re: The Penthouse

Frank Jastfelder wrote:
> As far as I remember John Hawksworth's score was very creepy too.
> Jazz with an edge and dialogue snippets in between. Too weird for 
> me. I sold it.

Michael Stroggoff:
> This is being released on CD later this month by UK label Harkit 
> Records (HRKCD8081), http://www.harkitrecords.com with, I gather, 
> great stills from the movie, which starred Suzy Kendall (one of 
> Dudley Moore's wives). 

Isn't there a 'popper alive who knows where there's a copy of the 
actual FILM?????   DAMN!!!!!

Teased Al Kooper



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Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 16:55:21 -0000
   From: Clark Besch 
Subject: Re: The Magicians Reunited

Christian Gordon wrote:
> Actually, the hits I write come in the form of entertainment 
> marketing programs I create on behalf of the company I represent, 
> Classic Media (we own the rights to the CBS specials, Rudolph and 
> Frosty, along with Rocky & Bullwinkle and many other cartoon 
> characters that have "stood the test of time").  

> I know Pop really enjoys S'Pop, as I do. After all, where else 
> could you discuss the genesis of Tex and The Chex? Very cool stuff.  

Christian, at the risk of pulling a rabbit out of my hat, may I 
ask if your comany has any old CBS music shows in it archives??  
The CBS special "Inside Pop" featuring Leonard Bernstein's take 
on the generation gap you might get a kick out of!!  It also 
features Brian Wilson singing "Surf's Up" as well as 15 year old 
Janis Ian singing "Society's Child" as well as the Hollies and 
Hermits in concert and discussing the issues of the day along with 
Graham Gouldman as well as a classic performance by Tim Buckley!  

Anyway, it would be cool to know if you have access to such a great 
show. By the way, May 4 was the anniversary of the Turtles being 
awarded their gold record for "Happy Together" in 1967!  Later in 
the year would come the same award for "She'd Rather Be with me"!!  
I make this point for 2 reasons.  First, because your dad wrote these 
songs.  Second, because all these obscure groups and songs may make 
you feel you are on the "Island of Misfit Songs", but there's a lot 
of "Silver & Gold" here too!  
Take care, 

Clark
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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 14:43:39 -0400
   From: Mikey 
Subject: Re: copyright law

Don't agree, Philly.

The industry tried EVERYTHING it could to legally stop:

VHS Decks
Super Beta decks
DAT decks (they did succeed in killing it as a consumer item)
ANY type of Digital Recording, even those with Analog feed!!!!

The RIAA and the record industry spent MILLIONS, not 
thousands, trying to kill all of the above. That doesn't 
sound like acceptance to me!!!!



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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 23:31:59 -0400
   From: Richard Gagnon 
Subject: Rodney King

> *It would appear that Mr. Kooper refers here to the infamous 
> Rodney King.

Erm...I think it was Rodney King's *beating* that's infamous, 
not Mr King himself. I think he's had it rough enough!

Richard



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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 21:16:43 -0000
   From: monophonius 
Subject: Re: that mellow saxophone

Phil Hall wrote:
> Does anyone know who played the saxophone solo on "The 
> Trouble With Boys" by Little Eva? That solo is sooooooooo 
> Brill Building.

Most likely it was Artie Kaplan.




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Message: 7
   Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 01:02:40 EDT
   From: Al Kooper 
Subject: Re: saxophone solo

Phil Hall:
> Does anyone know who played the saxophone solo on "The Trouble With
> Boys" by Little Eva? That solo is sooooooooo Brill Building.

My best guess would be Artie Kaplan
His job position was sax player for Aldon Music.
I'm betting the Little Eva track was originally a demo
and Artie played on all demos.

Al Kooper



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Message: 8
   Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 01:33:49 -0000
   From: monophonius 
Subject: Arrangers On Spector Atlantic Tracks

I have the CD of 12 Atlantic Tracks Produced by Phil Spector.  
Do any of you in this Group who were working professionally 
in the early 1960s in the New York studios have any insights 
into who the arrangers were on these tracks.  The only one I 
have nailed down for sure is Teddy Randazzo who is listed as 
arranger for "Twist And Shout" by the Top Notes.  At that time 
in his career (1960-61) Spector was using Robert Mersey, Alan 
Lorber and Arnold Goland as his main NYC arrangers.  He used 
Hank Levine during that period, too, but at Gold Star in LA.  
But, I would like to know the specific arranger on each track 
of this CD.  

IMHO, this is a very good CD compilation.  The music is soulful, 
laid-back, and reveals Spector's r&b leanings.  I've heard that 
some of these tracks were Jerry Wexler co-productions, and that 
would explain the r&b feel.  

My personal faves on the CD are "Dear One" by Billy Storm, the 
Fred Parris song from his pre-Five Satins group, the Scarlets.  
"Hearts Of Stone" by the Top Notes, a Ray Charles sound-a-like, 
and "Tired Of Trying" by Jean Du Shon, with a Bo Diddley beat.



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Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 23:02:50 -0000
   From: Brent Cash 
Subject: Spurrlows / Ritchie Cordell

Hello all,

Brent here, this is my first post. Pretty intimidating with 
all the luminaries present!

Anyway,does anyone know if Sunrise Highway by the Spurrlows
have ever been comped? I heard it on Billy's excellent Live 365
station and it is impossible to find the 45. I have the P. 
Anders version and I believe Bobby Vee cut it, too. I think the 
Love Generation song is a different song and I know the Trout(on 
MGM)is a different one.
    
This song is how I stumbled upon Spectropop BTW. I did a search,
yielded only 4-5 results. Someone apparently played it to musica 
a while back.

Re: the recently departed Ritchie Cordell, I've always been knocked 
out by Tommy James/Shondells' Out Of The Blue. Anyone else like that 
one? Am I wrong or would that song have been suited well in '63 by a 
great girl group or even later by Lesley Gore around '66/'67 Bob Crewe
- Treat Me Like A Lady era?

Thanks for all the incredible info from everyone.

Brent Cash       (Schlagers is good,The Big Ball is better...)




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Message: 10
   Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 01:51:07 -0000
   From: Art Longmire 
Subject: Re: Al Gorgoni

Dave Feldman wrote:
> I had the opportunity to speak to guitarist-producer Al Gorgoni 
> and he was kind enough to answer some of the questions posed by 
> Spectropoppers over the past year or so.  Al is frank enough to 
> admit that he doesn't remember many of the dates he recorded on.  

Hello Dave,

I originally posted the query on "Elevators, Escalators" - thanks 
for checking with Al on that. I agree with you whole heartedly 
about Al being a great talent. I also have his Just Us LP with 
Chip Taylor.

Art Longmire 






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Message: 11
   Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 21:10:23 -0700
   From: Gary Myers 
Subject: Re: Four Freshmen

Mike McKay:
>... if it weren't for the Four Freshmen, none of us would 
> be going on about Brian Wilson, would we? ... 

Did you ever hear any of the stuff that the 4 Freshmen did on 
Liberty in the late 60's? LP's included "Memphis", "Everyday 
People", "It's Not Unusual", "Will You Love Me Tomorrow", 
etc. One LP was arranged by Mike Melvoin, IIRC.

gem



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Message: 12
   Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:03:07 +0100
   From: Simon White 
Subject: Girl Group/Beatles

An addition to the Girl Groups/Beatles thread short from 
while ago:

Ringo For President/A Boy Like That 
Young World Singers - Decca 316660

It says on the label "Chorus With Instrumental Accompaniment" 
and it's  best left described as that.

Simon White



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Message: 13
   Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 01:16:33 EDT
   From: Al Kooper 
Subject: Re: You Can't Lose Something.........

Simon White: 
> A 45 was issued here a few years ago purporting to be by 
> Mr Chubby Checker - although clearly it isn't - called  
> "You Can't Lose Something You Never Had"  and carrying a 
> writer credit of Kooper/ Levine........... The vocalist 
> sounds as though it could be Jimmy Radcliffe. 
> Al, help. It's driving me nuts. Any memory of the song at all?

Well I remember that song as it's one of the better songs I've 
written in my life. Bachrach-influenced didn't hurt it's quality. 
The only released version I know of was on MGM circa 1965 by 
Bruce Scott and it was pretty good. Jimmy Radcliffe did the demo 
however, so that might have ended up on a British album at the time.   
Ernest Evans? I think not....

Al Kooper



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Message: 14
   Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 23:38:46 -0700
   From: Gary Myers 
Subject: Re: Wally Gold & "It's My Party"

> admin note: Mick Patrick and Malcolm Baumgart have already 
> sorted out the complex early history of "It's My Party" on 
> the Cha Cha Charming website; find their report at
> http://www.chachacharming.com/article.php?id=16

Very interesting. I only wish it included info on the writers, 
as the credits appear to have changed some over the years.

gem



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Message: 15
   Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 21:19:27 -0700
   From: Gary Myers 
Subject: Re: Al Gorgoni

Dave Feldman:
> ... Al was most enthusiastic when discussing the recording 
> of "The Sound of Silence." ...  Vinny Bell was the other 
> guitarist on TSOS. ... 

V. Bell was on our (Portraits) Schafer Beer Commercial. (And 
the Drummer was Mel Lewis). That my only time (so far) in NYC.

gem



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Message: 16
   Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 18:29:31 -0000
   From: Donna Marie 
Subject: Re: Donna Marie/Charles Calello

Hi Martin, What can I say about Charles Calello and the Penthouse, 
it was a great time in my life. Working with Mr. Calello was a 
thrill for me. I was fifteen when we did our first session with 
Columbia Records. The first record we did together was "The Whole 
Wide World Is Watching Us", flip side "Through the Eye of a Needle" 
written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David. I remember being in the 
studio with a full orchestra, it was thrilling for me. Charlie's 
arrangement was fantastic. He was kind and funny, we had a great 
time. I love his energy when he's working. His excitement in the 
studio when a song is coming together is contagious. I will always 
remember and treasure that I was able to have that experience.
Just a note about Shelly Pinz, she's a lovely lady and I enjoyed 
working with her and getting to know her.
Thank you so much for your questions and your interest.
All the Best,

Donna Marie



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Message: 17
   Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 10:25:34 +0200
   From: Frank Jastfelder 
Subject: Re: Boyce and Hart / Mamas and the Papas

Karen Andew:
> Ha! One of my editors just said "out and about" to a reporter 
> that's going out somewhere to a story and that rang a bell. 
> Wasn't one of Boyce and Hart's hits "Out and About"?

You're right, "Out And About" was their first hit in '67 and 
went up to number 30 on the charts.

Regarding the MATP producer Lou Adler always trusted the usual 
suspects in the studio: Hal Blaine on drums, Larry Knechtel on 
keys, Joe Osborn on bass and labelmate P.F. Sloan on guitar. On 
their third album Jim Horn is credited with flute and sax playing.

Papa Frank



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Message: 18
   Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 01:25:40 EDT
   From: Al Kooper 
Subject: Boyce/Hart

Karen Andrew:
> Ha! One of my editors just said "out and about" to a reporter 
> that's going out somewhere to a story and that rang a bell. 
> Wasn't one of Boyce and Hart's hits "Out and About"?

I have a video of an I Dream Of Jeannie show where Phil Spector 
is sitting on the phone in his office and Jeannie appears and 
talks him into auditioning the band she manages, When she makes 
the band appear, its Boyce & Hart & company sans a drummer. 
Jeannie plays the drums and they lip-synch Out & About. Spector 
says it's gonna be # 1 and signs 'em up. Its in color as well. 
In real life, Spector had nothing to do with their Beatle soundalike.

Al Kooper



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