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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Jimmie Rodgers
From: Robert
2. Re: Carole King "Just Once In My Life" demo
From: Mike Carter
3. Re: Tony Rivers
From: Richard Hattersley
4. Everly Brothers and The Hollies
From: JK
5. Lollipop Shoppe
From: Mike Dugo
6. Marty's Gone Wilde!
From: Steve Harvey
7. Confessions of a demo addict
From: Julio Niño
8. View from the Front Porch
From: Dave O'Gara
9. Everly Brothers and The Hollies
From: Steve Harvey
10. The Everlys sing Goffin-King
From: Don
11. Re: Goffin-Keller / King-Keller
From: Don
12. Re: Carole King "Sharing You" demo
From: Bob Celli
13. Excellent CD: Paper Dolls House (the Pye Anthology)
From: Louis
14. Tandyn Almer and "Shadows & Reflections"
From: Simen
15. Re: American Film Institute top 100 movie songs
From: Various
16. Re: Jimmie Rodgers
From: Dan Hughes
17. John Carter - Producer & Songwriter
From: Rob Stride
18. Ernie Maresca
From: Phil X Milstein
19. Re: Goffin & Weil
From: Phil X Milstein
20. Re: Moulty heroic
From: Brent Cash
21. Re: Everly Brothers and The Hollies
From: Eddy
22. Carole King demo, "Don't Ever Take Her For Granted" to musica
From: Bob Celli
23. Re: Ernie Maresca / Bernadette Carroll
From: Mick Patrick
24. Gerry and Cynthia's voices / "Don't Ever Take Her For Granted" demo.
From: Julio Niño
25. Re: John Carter - Producer & Songwriter
From: Mark Wirtz
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 04:51:03 -0000
From: Robert
Subject: Jimmie Rodgers
Does anyone here know the REAL story of what happened to Jimmie
Rodgers on that L.A. freeway in 1967, when he received those
massive head injuries? Supposedly not a car crash............?
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:00:29 -0000
From: Mike Carter
Subject: Re: Carole King "Just Once In My Life" demo
Be still my heart, Mick, The Cookies singing "Blame It On The Bossa
Nova". Do you suppose? Probably! Could Eydie have done it without
a demo?
With all this Carole music going on at musica I wanted to comment
about several posts. Albabe comments how the "Sharing You" demo
sounds like it was tailor made for The Everlys. Surely Goffin
and King had them in mind, but isn't it fascinating that Snuff
and Bobby could take the song and "un-twang" it for a super, more
streamlined "pop" romp. It's kinda like they un-wrote it and made
it more Carole King like than her own demo. The piano in Bobby's
version has always been a favorite.
Mick P. has posted "Just Once In My Life" with Carole doing her
best imitation of Gerry Goffin. ; ) I love Carole King's
music, I really do, but this song is a place for me where Carole
King shows her stuff as a contract songwriter. Barry Mann
really deserves the credit. He's the inventor of these chords
and structure. King is writing the followup and I don't believe
that Carole King could have come up with this one without Mann
and Weil's "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'". She's far more
creative further down the line as she begins stretching the "format"
with songs like "Hung On You" and "A Man Without A Dream" (it's
as if Barry Mann and Curtis Mayfield and Carole King suddenly
fused and out popped this one!) and the best of 'em: "I Can't Make
It Alone". Here's another one where the Brits do Carole oh so fine.
P.J. Proby and J. Nitzsche attach themselves mighty close to Carole
King's demo hip, keeping that often dropped verse intact and the
overall feel of the song. (Should this one be next, Mick?)
Or maybe it's time for these industry insiders, performers,
songwriters to open up that trusty dusty trunk of demos and start
sharing like these loyal, trusty, yet dusty fans do.
To Bob C.: Big, big thanks!
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:44:50 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Re: Tony Rivers
Previously:
> Without any doubt, the ultimate version of Girl Don't Tell Me, is
> by Tony Rivers and the Castaways from 1966, probably one of the
> few times a Beach boys track has been bettered...no question. Tony
> also covered God Only Knows after being assured by Bruce Johnston
> that the BB's weren't releasing it as a single....oh yes....
I can't understand why on "God Only Knows", on the line "I may not
always love you", he sings the word "love" a semi tone lower. The
same on the next verse, the word "need" is a semi tone too low.
Both notes are not in the chord and it just sounds wrong.
Richard
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:00:23 EDT
From: JK
Subject: Everly Brothers and The Hollies
The album the Everlys cut with The Hollies was Two Yanks in England
for which The Hollies wrote 8 of the 12 cuts and was produced by Dick
Glasser. I cannot seperate "Beat and Soul" from its partner album
"Rock 'N Soul" which included the great James Burton reprising his
guitar hook on Dale Hawkins Susie Q. Man With Money and Love Is
Strange had a unique top end guitar sound on B & S again produced by
Dick Glasser whereas R & S, an album of covers except Love Hurts was
produced by Jimmy Hilliard..... apart from the Cadence beginnings
this has always been my favourite Everly's period and we have been
expecting these albums on CD for much too long...anyone out there know
why The EB's reissue program from Warners is being held back, these
albums should be out there on CD........JK
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:29:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Dugo
Subject: Lollipop Shoppe
Phil M:
> Anyone know of any CD availability of the Lollipop
> Shoppe album -- whether legit, grey market, handmade,
> or otherwise? It's one of the few records I ever
> regretted selling off, and now that I want it back
> again it's selling for $200 and up.
Hans Kesteloo of Music Maniac Records is working on a
Lollipop Shoppe / Weeds (earlier incarnation) CD that
should be out before year's ends.
Mike Dugo
60sgaragebands.com
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:22:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Marty's Gone Wilde!
Previously:
> Marty Wilde covered "Endless Sleep", "Donna", "A Teenager In Love"
> and "Sea Of Love", but slowed up a bit on the cover versions after
> Bobby Vee held his own on "Rubber Ball". He also covered Robin
> Luke's "Bad Boy".
> "Bad Boy" was a Wilde original. He wrote it.
Robert Gordon did a cover of "Bad Boy" too.
I always loved Marty's straightman delivery to Eddie Cochran's
comments on "Boy Meets Girl". Especially the part where Eddie is
talking enthusiatically about guns while Marty replies rather blase,
"Oh yeah, wonderful".
Marty's daughter, Kim, did a little better over here than her old man.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:31:13 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Confessions of a demo addict
Hola Everybody.
Having breakfast on Saturday, at reprehensible hours, with a new
Carole King demo is becoming a very addictive habit. I´m going to
suffer from severe abstinence syndrome when I don´t have my
Saturday demo. Carole´s voice in "Just Once In My Life" is
impressive, sometimes even dark. She could sound really different,
depending on whom the demo was directed to. Thanks again to Mike,
Mick and Bob.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:23:07 -0000
From: Dave O'Gara
Subject: View from the Front Porch
The S'pop Team reminded us that:
> Recent feature articles available at S'pop include:
> The View From The Front Porch
> by Country Paul Payton:
> http://www.spectropop.com/FrontPorch/index.htm
To Country Paul,
Great story on the members of the Front Porch! I'd never heard of
them but your interview questions got them to really open up and tell
a story that almost made me feel I could hear their music in my head
while reading along. Also, including the factual asides regarding
labels and dates, etc., really helped to flesh out the interview. I
think in general, when most people read a magazine interview, or see
one on TV, they don't appreciate the talent of the person asking the
questions. (It's one reason why I prefer Letterman to Leno). So kudos
to you for a nice job.
This leads me to ask a question..in a 30 plus year radio career, I've
interviewed countless artists, with varying degrees of success in
getting good responses, but one interview I remember very fondly was
with Ernie Maresca of all people! Anyone know what became of him? I
don't even know if he's still with us. He had so many great stories
to tell about his performing and songwriting, (with Dion and others).
I'd really be interested in hearing from any of you who've had
contact with Ernie through the years and be willing to share a story
or two. Thanks for your time.
Dave 0'
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:45:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Everly Brothers and The Hollies
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> Yes, it's terrific. Backed by The Hollies, if I'm not mistaken.
> The Who also did Man With Money.
The Who did "Man with Money" live. Always thought that was a weird
choice for the 'Oo. The Hollies were on "Two Yanks" along with
future Zeppliners, Jones and Page. I don't think the Hollies were
on any of the other Everly lps.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:40:16 -0000
From: Don
Subject: The Everlys sing Goffin-King
Frank Young wrote:
> Hi all... Combining two faves, the Everlys and a seldom-heard Goffin/
> King song, I've posted the unissued 1962 track "I Can't Say Goodbye
> To You" on musica. I have tons more out of print Everlys tracks, if
> you'd like to hear more...
I thought I read somewhere that the Everlys recorded "On this Side of
Goodbye". Do you have that one?
Thanks,
Don
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:35:13 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Re: Goffin-Keller / King-Keller
I wrote:
> "Run To Him" was written by Goffin/Keller.
Alan Warner:
> FYI, among the other songs on which Gerry Goffin collaborated with
> Jack Keller are:
> DON'T ASK ME TO BE FRIENDS - by The Everly Brothers (Warner Bros:
> 1962) and later by Cliff Richard
> A FOREVER KIND OF LOVE - by Bobby Vee (Liberty: 1962) and also by
> Cliff Richard
> GIRLS GROW UP FASTER THAN BOYS - by The Cookies (Dimension: 1963)
> HOW CAN I MEET HER - by The Everly Brothers (Warner Bros: 1962)
> IT STARTED ALL OVER AGAIN - by Brenda Lee (Decca: 1962) and also
> by Carole King on Dimension
> LET'S TURKEY TROT - by Little Eva (Dimension: 1963)
> LITTLE HOLLYWOOD GIRL - by The Crickets (Liberty: 1962) and also
> by The Everly Brothers on Warner Bros.
> NO ONE CAN MAKE MY SUNSHINE SMILE - by The Everly Brothers (Warner
> Bros: 1962)
> THE TROUBLE WITH BOYS - by Little Eva (Dimension: 1963)
How about:
"Chills" by Gerry & The Pacemakers
"Don't Try To Fight It Baby" by Eydie Gorme
"Hula Hoppin" (Goffin/King/Keller) by Idalia Boyd
"It's Unbearable" by Dorothy Jones
"That's What I Call True Love" by Carl Dobkins Jr.
"What Do I See In The Girl" by Freddie Scott
I've never been able to figure out if the Everly's "He's Got My
Sympathy" was Goffin/King or Goffin/Keller. I think it's the latter,
but I've seen it both ways.
King/Keller are credited with at least three songs:
"He Who Laughs Last" by Freda Payne
"I've Got Nothing Left Written" by Tina Robin
"Boomerang" by Tina Robin
Don
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:02:13 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Carole King "Sharing You" demo
Previously:
> ...Albabe comments how the "Sharing You" demo sounds like it was
> tailor made for The Everlys. Surely Goffin and King had them in
> mind, but isn't it fascinating that Snuff and Bobby could take
> the song and "un-twang" it for a super, more streamlined "pop"
> romp. It's kinda like they un-wrote it and made it more Carole
> King like than her own demo...
Actually, the kudos should go to Ernie Freeman, who wrote that
magnificent arrangement.
Bob Celli
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:51:35 -0000
From: Louis
Subject: Excellent CD: Paper Dolls House (the Pye Anthology)
I recently purchased a CD called "Paper Dolls House (the Pye
Anthology)," and I really think it is fantastic! It came out in
2001 and I recently found this CD in a used CD bin and bought it
since I love the Sequel label and had never heard of this group.
The poster with photos and a write up are of great quality
(something rarely found in American CD reissues, which seem to do
them as cheaply as possible which is my opinion.) I have never
heard of this group Paper Dolls before, but their hit was
"Something Here In My Heart" from May 1968. I also really like
all the songs on the CD, but particularly:
1. There's Nobody I'd Sooner Love
2. Darlin'
3. Captain Of Your Ship (same song as the one by Reparata and the
Delrons)
4. My Life
5. Any Old Time
I noticed that their songs were produced by John Macleod and Tony
Macauley who also wrote for the Foundations, but did they write for
any other female singers or groups?
Can anyone recommend any other CDs with songs similar to this group
besides Reparata and the Delrons? Has anyone met Pauline Bennett,
Sue Marshall and Susie Mathis? The liner notes says that Susie
Mathis is a successful business woman in Cheshire, England.
Special thanks to Kieron Tyler for compling this CD and to Sequel
for putting it out!
Thanks,
Louis in West Hollywood, California
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:43:07 -0000
From: Simen
Subject: Tandyn Almer and "Shadows & Reflections"
Hi spectropeople!
I'm brand new to this list and have a of a head-scrather of a question
for you guys.
First maybe i should introduce myself. My name is Simen and I'm from
Norway. I'm in my extreme early 30's and into beat, soul, freakbeat,
garage... you know what i mean...
I do dj from time to time and collect singles (european, uk, us...
anything as long as it is good.) i actually dislike the dj-term as I'm
more a player of good tunes. No scratching or mixing aloud for me.
Anyway back to my query.
The Action of Englan released the single "Shadows & Reflections" in
-67. This is written by Larry Marks and Tandyn Almer.
This was also recorded by another artist but who???
I've heard this ones, and it's great, but for some silly reason forgot
to write it down.
Can anyone help?
Best regards
Simen
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:57:41 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: American Film Institute top 100 movie songs
Re: American Film Institute top 100 movie songs
A compendium of recent posts follows:
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I saw the program and I too agree with most of the choices. I don't
care for "I'm Easy" and I cringed everytime they used to play it on
the radio. However, they said on the show the reason it was chosen
as it explained the situation. He was singing this song and all the
women in the audience thought he was singing it to them. But, in the
end, one woman (I think Lilly Tomlin) knew for sure it was for her.
I didn't see the movie - I think it was "Nashville".
Karen Andrew
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Previously:
> ...As I recall, "Ain't Too Proud To Beg" was playing in the
> background while the cast was doing the dishes after dinner--hardly
> a plot tie-in. I guess they were scrounging for 100 songs.
Which might explain why there are so many songs that originated in
Broadway shows on the list ** tut tut **. And how do they explain
"Goldfinger" having significant American involvement?? Or "The Spy Who
Loved Me"?? For the record - my faves:
An Angel Is Love - Bob Crewe (Barbarella)
A Guide For The Married Man - The Turtles
Georgy Girl - The Seekers
The Ambushers - Boyce & Hart
The Corrupt Ones - Dusty Springfield (Peking Medallion)
Love Was Right Here All The Time - Richard Anthony (That Man in Istanbul)
The Spiral Waltz - Mina (The Tenth Victim)
On Days Like These - Matt Monro (The Italian Job)
Burning Bridges - Mike Curb Congregation (Kelly's Heroes)
.......let the arguments commence.
Steve Crump
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A number of missing theme songs that should have been considered
including "Love Theme, Romeo and Juliet", "You Only Live Twice",
"Ferry Across the Mersey", "Valley of the Dolls", "Bonnie and
Clyde", "To Sir, with Love", "The Crying Game", "Super Fly" and
the theme song for "Philadelphia" should have been the Neil Young
version not Springsteen.
Jim Shannon
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John Fox wrote:
> I just glanced at the list and found it odd that they would consider
> "Ain't Too Proud To Beg" as being from "The Big Chill"... As I
> recall, (the song) was playing in the background while the cast was
> doing the dishes after dinner--hardly a plot tie-in. I guess they
> were scrounging for 100 songs.
Here's another example of where their choice for a song was based on
the action in that segment of the movie - a bunch of friends doing a
mundane task but the song was so uplifting and they made it fun. Of
course, when they showed the scene, they had to include Glenn Close'
butt wiggle. (That was their reasoning, not mine!)
Karen Andrew
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I was talking to my mate as to how young people hear music these
days. I thought my sons had been raiding my record collection again
for what they call beats when i heard some ska coming out of their
bedroom. It turns out the tracks were on the soundtrack of a
computer game. As you pointed out films can bring songs "a new level
of popularity" . Party DJ's in the UK when confronted by a mixed age
range know they can play oldies like Build Me Up Buttercup by the
Foundations, I'm not sure if Sleeping with the Enemy, Born on the
4th July turned Brown Eyed Girl (never a hit in The UK) into a party
favourite.
The use of songs not written for the movie probably started long
before the sixties but I didn't start noticing it till Easy Rider and
then Mean Streets. I have "What's Up Tiger Lily" by the Loving
Spoonful which was added along with dubbed dialogue and a new title
to a Japanese spy movie. The Spoonful also did "You're a big boy Now"
which appears to have been commissioned for the film altho a couple of
old songs were included on the album.
FrankM
reflections on northern soul Saturday's two thirty pm
http://www.radiomagnetic.com or listen to an archive show
http://www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/rnb.php
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Clark:
> Name em off, folks.....
Gladly. "Hairspray", "The Porpoise Song" from "Head", "Beach Blanket
Bingo", "Appreciation" from "Viva Las Vegas", "The Lonely Sea" from
"Girls on the Beach" (after Brian's achingly beautiful performance,
a girl turns to her boyfriend and says "Wasn't that group nutty?"),
"The Girl Can't Help It", and an honorable mention to "Pipeline" in
"More American Graffiti" - amazing how well it mixes with the sounds
of the attacking helicopters; better IMO than "Ride of the Valkyries"!
Thirteen Eagle
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:27:38 -0500
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: Jimmie Rodgers
Robert:
> Does anyone here know the REAL story of what happened to Jimmie
> Rodgers on that L.A. freeway in 1967...?
See the following: http://www.stevenkwagner.com/rodgers.htm
---Dan
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:00:25 -0000
From: Rob Stride
Subject: John Carter - Producer & Songwriter
I would like to start a new thread regarding one of my Heroes. Mr
John Carter...Vocalist, Writer And Producer. A man Responsible for
Responsible for The IVY LEGUE, The FLOWERPOTMEN, FIRT CLASS and
many other absolutley brilliant bands. In my mind John is England's
Brian Wilson! WHY... Because he looked for a different appraoch,
When the Country went "Mersey Mad" or because when i hear one of
John's vocal arrangements, I say "that's a Carter There Mate"
Underratted, UnderValued, and Under-This next-Line. John Carter is
one of ENGLANDS most brilliant assets, but we don't know it yet!
So are we going to wait another twenty years until John has been hit
by a Alien Landing Craft.
We love your harmonies
And you write great songs!
Rob Stride
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:47:11 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Ernie Maresca
Dave O'Gara wrote:
> This leads me to ask a question..in a 30 plus year radio career, I've
> interviewed countless artists, with varying degrees of success in
> getting good responses, but one interview I remember very fondly was
> with Ernie Maresca of all people! Anyone know what became of him? I
> don't even know if he's still with us. He had so many great stories
> to tell about his performing and songwriting, (with Dion and others).
> I'd really be interested in hearing from any of you who've had
> contact with Ernie through the years and be willing to share a story
> or two. Thanks for your time.
I know this doesn't answer your question, Dave, but ... did you manage
to tape (and keep) your interview with Maresca? A loaded question if
ever there was one!
--Phil M.
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:29:25 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Goffin & Weil
Mike Carter wrote:
> Mick P. has posted "Just Once In My Life" with Carole doing her
> best imitation of Gerry Goffin. ; ) I love Carole King's
> music, I really do, but this song is a place for me where Carole
> King shows her stuff as a contract songwriter. Barry Mann
> really deserves the credit. He's the inventor of these chords
> and structure.
Mike's post somehow leads me to realize that I am familiar with the
recording careers of four members of Aldon's three great husband-wife
teams, and thus to wonder if Gerry Goffin and/or Cynthia Weil ever
vented their voices in recording studios, even if only on demos.
--Phil
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 04:57:24 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Re: Moulty heroic
Al Kooper:
> I produced a band in the early 70's named Mose Jones. Their
> bassist, Randy Lewis, (also a GREAT singer) was short one right
> hand and created a device he strapped on his stump that enabled
> him to play quite well. Little known (we didn't publicize it) but
> Moulty heroic.
Hi, Brent again. I was playing a club in South Georgia I guess
around 1988. I'd forgotten about this bass player guy until you
mentioned him, seems like his name was Randy - gotta be the same
dude. I saw him play at the aforementioned club (can't remember
if it was Mose Jones), and my band mate and I watched him in
amazement as he played like nothing was unusual. They also did
(I believe) "Alien" by ARS, which he wrote or co-wrote. Very nice
guy, too.
With the recent bassless talk, I wanted to ask you if you heard
of a band that was supposedly playing around Atlanta around "69/
'70 (was that when you resided there?) called The Booger Band.
Terrible name yes, but a guy who was a contemporary of theirs gave
me a tape of them at Studio One in Doraville (never released) and
it's great! I can't find out anything about them other than 2-3
people I know saw them live and Hydra recorded a song of theirs
(Feel The Pain).
This ties into the organ/basslessness thread because they also had
no bassist, the Hammond commandeer (I only know his name was Will)
played the bass parts on his "axe". Their stuff may be just
borderline Spectropop friendly, kinda Prog/early Soft Machine, but
with a bit of (I hate to use this word) "boogie" mixed in, if you
can imagine that!
Thanks for entertaining my minutiae...
Best Wishes, Brent Cash
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:25:00 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Everly Brothers and The Hollies
Steve Harvey wrote:
> The Who did (a version of the Everlys') "Man with Money" live.
They also did a studio version of it. Recorded at IBC, August 1966.
It's on the 1995 CD of A Quick One as a bonus track.
Eddy
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:48:20 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Carole King demo, "Don't Ever Take Her For Granted" to musica
Hello,
I've posted Carole King's demo for "Don't Ever Take Her For Granted"
to musica. I removed several thousand clicks and pops before putting
it up but I didn't take it too far. I figured there are several audio
restoration buffs who'd like to take a crack at it, so I left them
several thousand clicks to mess with! Bobby Vee recorded this in
England at Abbey Road Studios on the same session as "A Forever Kind
of Love" and "At A Time Like This". This song sat in the vaults until
the release of the Legendary Masters double lp in the early seventies.
The version of "A Forever Kind of Love" was out on a single in the UK.
Snuff re-recorded the song in Hollywood for US release. "At A Time
Like This" was the flip side of "Sharing You" in the UK but was never
issued in the US. When I asked Snuff Garrett why he recut "A Forever
Kind of Love" he told me he didn't like the sound of the background
singers! When I asked him how a great song like "Don't Ever Take Her
for Granted" was never released, he changed the subject. Bobby Vee
said the song may have sounded too much like "Take Good Care Of My
Baby" and ended up falling through the cracks.
Bob Celli
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:41:39 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Ernie Maresca / Bernadette Carroll
Dave O'Gara wrote:
> This leads me to ask a question..in a 30 plus year radio career, I've
> interviewed countless artists, with varying degrees of success in
> getting good responses, but one interview I remember very fondly was
> with Ernie Maresca of all people! Anyone know what became of him? I
> don't even know if he's still with us. He had so many great stories
> to tell about his performing and songwriting, (with Dion and others).
> I'd really be interested in hearing from any of you who've had
> contact with Ernie through the years and be willing to share a story
> or two. Thanks for your time.
The great Ernie Maresca is alive and well and living in Florida. I was
lucky enough to interview him (via phone) last year, the edited results
of which were printed in "The Laurie Records Story, Vol 2: The Ernie
Maresca Years" CD booklet. Ernie has a good memory and was absolutely
great to talk to, with stories about almost everyone he ever worked
with, every song he ever wrote and every record he ever made. A more
friendly guy you could not wish to talk to.
Maybe the interview will be published here at S'pop one day. Meanwhile,
Martin Robert's review of the CD can be found at our Recommends section:
http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2003.htm#LaurieStory and more
info here: http://www.acerecords.co.uk/gotrt/2003/july03/cdchd883.html
Ernie wrote "The Wanderer", "Runaround Sue" and dozens of other
unforgettable songs. Playing now @ musica is the original unreleased
demo version of his "Hold Back The Light Of Dawn", a number some of you
might know by the Other Two or the Tammys, both from 1965. It's from an
acetate, so expect some crackle. The vocalist is Bernadette Carroll:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:13:00 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Gerry and Cynthia's voices / "Don't Ever Take Her For Granted" demo.
Hola Everybody.
Phil Milstein wrote:
> Mike's post somehow leads me to realize that I am familiar with the
> recording careers of four members of Aldon's three great husband-wife
> teams, and thus to wonder if Gerry Goffin and/or Cynthia Weil ever
> vented their voices in recording studios, even if only on demos.
Phil, there are some bootleg CDs issued by Brilltone Records dedicated
to the Brill Building stars. I know five volumes (dedicated respectively
to Barry Mann, Ellie Greenwich, Carole King, Jeff Barry and Neil Sedaka).
I have my records packed while my new flat is being remodeled, so I
cannot consult them, but I remember that the CD about Carole included
two demos indicated as "probably sung by Gerry Goffin": "Living My Life
For The Love Of A Girl" and " Once A Fool Always A Fool". The volume
about Barry Mann (my favorite) included the demo of Lori Martin's "Home
Of The Boy I Love" sung by Cynthia Weil. Maybe the many Brill Building
specialists at S'pop could confirm this information and add some more
examples.
Changing the subject, thanks a lot, Bob, for playing Carole's demo of
"Don't Ever Take Her For Granted", and also for the interesting
information about the song. I love the song and the demo. Carole sounds
this time sparkling and innocent. I'm going to dust my tin robots.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 05:25:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: John Carter - Producer & Songwriter
Rob Stride wrote:
> I would like to start a new thread regarding one of
> my Heroes. Mr John Carter...Vocalist, Writer And
> Producer. A man Responsible for The IVY LEGUE, The
> FLOWERPOTMEN, FIRT CLASS and many other absolutley
> brilliant bands. In my mind John is England's Brian
> Wilson! WHY... Because he looked for a different
> appraoch, When the Country went "Mersey Mad" or
> because when I hear one of John's vocal arrangements,
> I say "that's a Carter There Mate". Underratted,
> UnderValued, and Under-This next-Line. John Carter
> is one of ENGLANDS most brilliant assets, but we
> don't know it yet! We love your harmonies. And you
> write great songs!
Bravo, Mr. Stride, for raising this flag! I happily
second your motion and join your John Carter salute!
Whereas Mr. Carter has always distinguished himself by
his more than generous talents, his equally profound
attribute was modesty and dignity. It was the latter
that prompted him to promote and support his craft and
the talents of others, but not himself personally.
Thus, even while writing/performing/producing some of
the most significant pop works in UK's music history,
he remained an enigma - we all know his music, but not
the man.
As it were, I was fortunate enough to have worked with
Mr. Carter for many years, virtually from my earliest
recordings on until my final UK production (my Capitol
"Balloon" LP, for which, by then living in Los
Angeles, I flew over to London especially to be able
to have John and his gang aboard). Oddly enough, I was
never particularly known as a "harmony" producer, and
yet, with only rare exceptions, every record I ever
produced in London (including the T.O. stuff!) were
graced by John's art as a harmony and often solo
performer (even as a ghost singer). There was nothing
that John couldn't handle. To wit (speaking with
reference to my personal experiences): John's
touchingly sensitive feature performances on Philwit &
Pegasus' "Pauper's Son," "My What A Lovely Day," and
"Final Thought," contrasted by his superb Rock
stylings of "Elephant Song," or "Pseudo Phony Mixed-Up
Crony" remain vocal master pieces. They have become
"classics," but only because of John's signature.
After many years of geographical as well as musical
separation due to my transplantation to the States and
sabbatical from music production, John and I met again
last August in London. This time not for a recording
session, but a social gathering at a West End pub,
which included UK's harmony Prince Tony Rivers as well
as Rob Stride and Micky Groome - the evening's
memorable highlight having been an impromptu,
five-part harmony jam of Beachboys et al gems. The
event has since, in inner circles, become known as the
"UK Harmony Mafia Meeting"... John's quietly witty,
elegant, noble and wise air left no doubt that, out of
all of us "old timers," he had matured the most
gracefully, standing tall and proud and unpretentious
as the true Statesman of British popular music studio
art.
Indeed! Put the limelight on the man! Without him, the
UK music landscape would have evolved very, very
differently!
With infinite respect and affection,
Mark Wirtz
www.markwirtz.com
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