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Spectropop - Digest Number 1543
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004
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SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. New @ S'pop
From: S'pop Team
2. Carole King's "Boomerang"
From: Don
3. The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
From: Den
4. Mel Gadson
From: vanmeterannie
5. Doris Day´s voice and Mick Patricks´ bed.
From: Julio Niño
6. The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
From: Austin Roberts
7. Lulu's "Oh Me, Oh My"
From: Frank Murphy
8. Fluffy Buffy 'nuffy
From: John J. Browne, Sr.
9. Music Choice oldies?
From: Doug Ohlemeier
10. Carole King's "Go Away Little Girl" demo to Musica
From: Bob Celli
11. Re: Everlys "Lord Of The Manor"
From: Robert
12. Re: Melanie
From: ACJ
13. Re: "Oh No, Not My Baby" - Carole King demo around?
From: Tony Leong
14. For "That" Alan Gordon
From: Jeff Lemlich
15. Melanie; Al's sweet "Lord"
From: Country Paul
16. Re: Dore Alpert
From: Gary Myers
17. Barney Kessel song??
From: superoldies
18. Re: Lulu's "Oh Me, Oh My"
From: Gary Myers
19. Robin McNamara - Audio Interview Coming Soon!
From: Laura Pinto
20. Re: The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
From: JJ
21. Raga Rock
From: Patrick Rands
22. The Gurus' "They All Got Carried Away"
From: (That) Alan Gordon
23. Re: "Oh No, Not My Baby" - Carole King demo around?
From: Don
24. Re: Moulty Heroic redux
From: Mike McKay
25. Re: The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
From: Robert
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:57:29 +0100
From: S'pop Team
Subject: New @ S'pop
Dear Members,
Don't forget, recent feature articles available at S'pop
include:
The Story Of Peter Antell, John Linde & The Percells
by John Clemente:
http://www.spectropop.com/percells/index.htm
Boy Trouble: Garpax Girls CD Review
by Mick Patrick:
http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2004.htm#BoyTrouble
Barney Kessel Tribute
by Harvey Kubernik:
http://www.spectropop.com/remembers/BKobit.htm
The View From The Front Porch
by Country Paul Payton:
http://www.spectropop.com/FrontPorch/index.htm
The Daughters Of Eve: The Story Of An All-Girl Band
by Debi Pomeroy and Mick Patrick:
http://www.spectropop.com/DaughtersOfEve/index.htm
Barbara Ruskin: An Illustrated UK Discography
by Mick Patrick:
http://www.spectropop.com/BarbaraRuskin/index.htm
Locate each article at their individual URLs or via
the new S'pop home page:
http://www.spectropop.com/
Enjoy!
The S'pop Team
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:03:59 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Carole King's "Boomerang"
Alan Warner wrote:
> Re: Boomerang, I think you're talking about two different songs.
> Carole King wrote a song called BOOMERANG but so did Jack Keller
> in collaboration with another writer from the early Nevins-Kirshner
> days, Larry Kolber, who co-authored I LOVE HOW YOU LOVE ME with
> Barry Mann.
I don't believe I'm wrong here. There was a much later song Carole
wrote and sang called "(Love Is Like A) Boomerang)". The one I'm
referring to is on the Bril-tone bootleg CD.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:10:20 -0400
From: Den
Subject: The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
previously:
> Anybody else out there mesmerized by the single Lord Of The Manor
> by the EB's ???
Al Kooper:
> What an amazing record/song. Warner Brothers early 70's. One of my
> fave singles of all time. Do I Stand Alone here?
"Lord Of The Manor" is one of my favorite of (many) great Everlys
Warners-era singles. I remember buying it as a current record in 1968
in those glorious bargain bins in Village Oldies (boy, do I miss those
bins - for 25 cents apiece or 5 for a dollar, my collection grew by
leaps and bounds - may have even bought Cannon's "Old Rag Man" there
as well).
"Lord Of The Manor" was actually the B-side, far superior to "Milk
Train", the A-side, and was a staple on Bob Lewis' radio show on WABC-
FM all that summer. It was much more than just the Everlys' attempt to
make a mark in the "hip" progressive rock scene - a very powerful
statement song, punctuated by that drop-dead cold ending (left off the
version on the "Heartaches and Harmonies" box set).
I met the Everlys backstage at a concert in '95, and meant to ask them
about the song, but never did.
Sigh....
Den
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:19:23 -0000
From: vanmeterannie
Subject: Mel Gadson
I have a very beat-up 45 on Big Top by Mel Gadson of "Comin' Down
With Love" backed with a great 12/8 version of "I'm Gettin'
Sentimental Over You". The label also credits Stan Applebaum for the
arrangements. I've done a quick search on the web to find out that
the record seems to have charted here and there in 1960, but that's
about all I can find out about it. Anybody know anything about Mr.
Gadson?
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:33:25 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Doris Day´s voice and Mick Patricks´ bed.
Hola Everybody.
Today it's murderously hot here in Madrid, I feel like if I have
my brain roasted (that's not pleasant).
Mick Patrick wrote yesterday:
> Talking of "Love Her", I'd like to speak up for the female
> version, "Love Him" by Doris Day - it's absolutely deeeee-lish!...
I've always liked Doris singing, she sounds to me like a mammy (a
little incestuous) cooing me to sleep. I have the same relaxing
feeling with Bing Crosby's voice, he often sounds to me like a
very loving daddy. I sure will search for the Doris CD you have
recommended.
By the way, Mick, you must have a very broad bed (to take Herb,
Tony, Doris and Freddie in, or maybe you receive them by turns?).
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:39:22 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
Previously:
> Anybody else out there mesmerized by the single Lord Of The Manor
> by the EB's ???
Al Kooper:
> What an amazing record/song. Warner Brothers early 70's. One of my
> fave singles of all time. Do I Stand Alone here?
I loved Lord Of The Manor and was hoping they would stay in that
direction. Who produced that album? Was it Wes Farrell?
Best, Austin Roberts
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:56:48 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Lulu's "Oh Me, Oh My"
Gary Myers:
> I love the Lulu record, and I think the song was actually first
> cut by the great Walter Jackson, titled "Fool For You", or
> something like that.
The song was written by fellow Glaswegian Jim Doris, guitarist with
The Stoics (who featured Frankie Miller on vocals). Lulu recorded it
for New Routes which was issued in 1970.
Walter Jackson released a disc on U. S. A. 104 - The Walls That
Seperate / A Fool For You in 1971. The B side may be a Ray Charles
cover?
FrankM
reflections on northern soul Saturday's two thirty pm:
http://www.radiomagnetic.com or listen to an archive show:
http://www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/rnb.php
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:46:51 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: John J. Browne, Sr.
Subject: Fluffy Buffy 'nuffy
Bill George:
> Can anybody help me locate an obscure early-80s girl group song
> called "Buffy Come Back" by Angel and the Reruns? I've been
> looking for it for twenty years and no luck. Thanks!
Mark Hill:
> Is that the one they used to play on "Dr. Demento"? Lead singer
> sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard. "Come back Buffy. Where
> are you?, where are you?, WHERE ARE YOU?" It was on the 2nd
> Demento LP (Brown cover) ("Dr. Demento's Delights"?) I have it
> somewhere in the archives here if you're interested.
Mark, the song you're describing sounds like FLUFFY, by Gloria
Balsam, about a dog found in the rain:
http://www.chocstar.freeserve.co.uk/gloria_balsam.htm.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:23:08 -0000
From: Doug Ohlemeier
Subject: Music Choice oldies?
Does anyone here listen to Music Choice oldies? The Solid Gold channel
on cable TV and satellite?
It plays a heavy does of early rock, pop and soul. It seems to
concentrate on pre-1966.
For every 1964-67 song I hear, it plays 2-5 from late 50s - early 60s,
oftentimes playing 2 tunes from the same year back-to-back.
What a concept! Playing two 1961 tunes together!
I've also heard doo-wop there and Bernadette Carroll's PARTY GIRL.
They are heavy into Gene Pitney, Little Richard, Fats Domino, Buddy
Holly, the girl groups, etc.
I've run an audio cable from my stereo to a laptop to capture much of
this music in digital form.
Trouble is, some of the selections, like the Ronettes and other girl
groups, are in MONO. Then there's a lot of country-crossover songs,
like White Sportcoast & Pink Carnation and Wolverton Mtn.
But how often do you hear Leroy Van Dyke's WALK ON BY (1961) or Frank
Iffields' I REMEMBER YOU on commercial radio?
My local station, Oldies 95, KCMO, used to play the latter.
Still, Music Choice is a much better choice and a greater variety than
commercial FM "oldies" stations.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:15:32 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Carole King's "Go Away Little Girl" demo to Musica
I've just posted the demo of "Go Away Little Girl" done by Carole King
for Bobby Vee to musica. It is a beauty! Love those tom toms rolling
along in the background along with a great sounding piano. I had a
discussion with both Bobby and Snuff Garrett about the circumstances
surrounding them losing this song. Snuff and Bobby both told me that
they felt they did not capture the song and wanted to redo it. Bob
told me that before they had a chance to go back in and do some more
work on the song, they heard it playing on the radio! Snuff did tell
me he was really pissed at Donny Kirshner for giving the song away
before he had a chance to finish it, and I also remember him telling
me that he would never use any material from Aldon Music from that
day on. I'm not sure if he ever followed through with that!
Bob Celli
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:24:36 -0000
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Everlys "Lord Of The Manor"
previously:
> Anybody else out there mesmerized by the single Lord Of The Manor
> by the EB's ???
Al Kooper:
> What an amazing record/song. Warner Brothers early 70's. One of my
> fave singles of all time. Do I Stand Alone here?
This one as well as the amazing Sing Me Back Home, and their extremely
moving, atmospheric remake of I Wonder If I Care As Much. Oh and Empty
Boxes.........I could go on and on........and you can't even get their
original mid & late 60's albums on CD (except Roots)! This needs to be
corrected RHINO.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:39:06 -0400
From: ACJ
Subject: Re: Melanie
For Tony Gerber: Thanks for the info! I always liked Melanie's music,
and found it sad that people just seemed to turn against her after
"Brand New Key" became a smash. Glad to see she's still within earshot.
ACJ
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:17:17 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Re: "Oh No, Not My Baby" - Carole King demo around?
Charles wrote:
> With the recent postings of Carole King demos from her Aldon/Screen
> Gems days, how about one for "Oh No, Not My Baby"? Like Dave, I've
> always loved the Maxine Brown hit version (supposedly that's Carole
> on the piano, and that intro with piano & guitar is one of the best
> ever!), and I wonder how Carole first recorded the demo vocals.
> So, is anyone out there able to send a copy of the demo (if it
> exists) to musica? Pretty please........
I don't know of the existence of a Carole King demo for "Oh No Not My
Baby" (who knows, maybe even Eva or the Cookies did one???), but the
first recorded version of the song that I know of is by the Shirelles.
Doris sang most of the lead, and Shirley did a few solo lines, and the
vocals were real raw!!! Sounds like Doris and Shirley were trying to
outsing each other. The same instrumental track was used for Maxine's
version . The only other version I know of the song is by Dusty
Springfield (and I understand she did 2 versions), and a later one by
Aretha. I have never heard the versions of "Oh No Not My Baby" by
Manfred Mann or Fontella Bass, although I would like to!!!!!
Tony
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:20:24 -0400
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: For "That" Alan Gordon
Hi Alan,
A question has come up about the Gurus' version of "They All Got Carried
Away". We know you and Garry were on the Parrots' recording. Someone
on another music board is wondering if that's you on The Gurus' version
as well. Since I haven't heard the Gurus' recording, I am not able to
compare the two.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:52:23 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Melanie; Al's sweet "Lord"
Tony Gerber
> I just wanted to let any Melanie fans know about her newest
> album of all new material entitled, "Paled by Dimmer Light"....
> More about this album can be found at:
> http://spaceformusic.com/melanie
> Melanie's Official Website is:
> http://melaniemusic.net/
Tony, your comment about her voice being better than ever is true IMO.
There are two free downloads at her official website that are rather
nice. She's still one heck of an intense artist, that's for certain.
Thanks for pointing us in this direction.
previously:
> Anybody else out there mesmerized by the single Lord Of The Manor
> by the EB's ???
Al Kooper:
> What an amazing record/song. Warner Brothers early 70's. One of my
> fave singles of all time. Do I Stand Alone here?
You do not. Perhaps not my fave, but excellent.
Country Paul
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:17:48 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Dore Alpert
Country Paul:
> I've just played "Dina" by Dore Alpert (A&M 714, 1963) to musica.
That certainly qualifies for the odd chord progression category. :-)
gem
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:37:17 -0000
From: superoldies
Subject: Barney Kessel song??
Re "TV Commercials" featured recently @ musica: Barney Kessel was
listed as the artist, but who were the vocalists? Thank you.
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:36:08 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Lulu's "Oh Me, Oh My"
Previously:
> I love the Lulu record, and I think the song was actually first
> cut by the great Walter Jackson, titled "Fool For You", or
> something like that.
Me:
> The song was written by fellow Glaswegian Jim Doris, guitarist with
> The Stoics (who featured Frankie Miller on vocals). Lulu recorded it
> for New Routes which was issued in 1970.
Frank M:
> Walter Jackson released a disc on U. S. A. 104 - The Walls That
> Seperate / A Fool For You in 1971. The B side may be a Ray Charles
> cover?
Not sure which you're calling the B-side, but "A Fool For You" is
definitely the same song Lulu did as "Oh Me Oh My," as I had (maybe
still have) the record. My mistake on the date, however. I was assuming
it must have been before Lulu's.
gem
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:04:10 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Robin McNamara - Audio Interview Coming Soon!
Hi S'poppers,
A big THANK-YOU to those of you who checked out the Robin McNamara
interview on my site, Oldies Connection, and took the time to write
to me and share your thoughts about it.
My friend Bette from Track One Audio has conducted a phone interview
with Robin, and it will be going up on her site for everyone to
listen to within the next couple of weeks. Audio interviews
currently available on Track One Audio are Andy Kim, George Galfo's
Mystics, D.K. Davis, and Freddie Scott.
I will let everyone here know when Robin's interview is online.
Meantime, if you want to check out any of the other audio interviews,
go to http://www.trackoneaudio.com .
To revisit "Got to Believe in Love: The Robin McNamara Interview" on
Oldies Connection, just click on http://snipurl.com/oldies and scroll
down the homepage for the link.
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:29:52 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Re: The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
Previously:
> Anybody else out there mesmerized by the single Lord Of The Manor
> by the EB's ???
Al Kooper:
> What an amazing record/song. Warner Brothers early 70's. One of my
> fave singles of all time. Do I Stand Alone here?
Austin Roberts:
> I loved Lord Of The Manor and was hoping they would stay in that
> direction. Who produced that album? Was it Wes Farrell?
Any idea if "Lord of the Manor" is available on cd?
Thanx in advance!
JJ/Sweeden
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:47:10 -0000
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: Raga Rock
I've been coming across songs lately which would fit the description
of Raga Rock or Sitar Rock - songs which have pretty much one chord,
sometimes use sitars, have repetitive beats and chanted vocals and
often drone on for a few minutes. I'm more willing to call it Raga
Rock because I don't want to limit it to only songs with sitars.
There's the song Nicole on The Minx soundtrack by The Cyrkle, and a
handful of songs on Rhino Handmade's Hallucinations. I'd love to get
together a list of Raga Rock songs, anyone interested in this idea?
What is the history behind this type of song? Did it start with The
Beatles and The Byrds or were there underground artists doing it first
(maybe on ESP?). And how far did the trend extend? The Cyrkle's Nicole
seems to show a fairly square band branching out, were there other
artists and singers (perhaps in jazz or Spectropop mode?) who
performed raga rock songs which were out of character?
I also wonder if some of the songs without the sitars are still
influenced by Indian music, or is there any other influence which
could've occurred (like minimalism?). I wonder if there was a point
where the repetitive one chord songs no longer have that psychedelic
vibe influenced from the raga, and instead become mindnumbing punkers
- or was that not done before punk and alternative rock?
:Patrick
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:57:13 -0700
From: (That) Alan Gordon
Subject: The Gurus' "They All Got Carried Away"
Jeff Lemlich, regarding "They All Got Carried Away"; yes, Garry and
I were singing backround on the Gurus record. Sundazed recently
released a Gurus cd. That's what I love about S`pop, nothing stays
hidden for too long.
Best, That Alan
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:15:12 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Re: "Oh No, Not My Baby" - Carole King demo around?
Charles wrote:
> With the recent postings of Carole King demos from her Aldon/Screen
> Gems days, how about one for "Oh No, Not My Baby"? Like Dave, I've
> always loved the Maxine Brown hit version (supposedly that's Carole
> on the piano, and that intro with piano & guitar is one of the best
> ever!), and I wonder how Carole first recorded the demo vocals. So,
> is anyone out there able to send a copy of the demo (if it exists)
> to musica? Pretty please........
Tony Leong:
> I don't know of the existence of a Carole King demo for "Oh No Not
> My Baby" (who knows, maybe even Eva or the Cookies did one???), but
> the first recorded version of the song that I know of is by the
> Shirelles. Doris sang most of the lead, and Shirley did a few solo
> lines, and the vocals were real raw!!! Sounds like Doris and Shirley
> were trying to outsing each other. The same instrumental track was
> used for Maxine's version . The only other version I know of the
> song is by Dusty Springfield (and I understand she did 2 versions),
> and a later one by Aretha. I have never heard the versions of "Oh No
> Not My Baby" by Manfred Mann or Fontella Bass, although I would like
> to!!!!!!
You are right that the Shirelles recorded the original, but it was
rejected. Stan Greenberg (son of Florence) found it and used the
Shirelles track and added Maxine Brown (and Dee Dee Warwick too, I
believe).
The song has been recorded by:
Fontella Bass
Gary Bass
Debbie Boone
Maxine Brown
Canoise
Cher
Merry Clayton
De Blanc
Denise Elites
Aretha Franklin
Tommy Hunt?
Carole King
Manfred Mann
Freddie McGregor
Odyssey
Partridge Family
Linda Ronstadt
Shirelles
Dusty Springfield
Rod Stewart
Martha Velez
Kim Weston
Yo La Tengo
I've also seen the following names associated with this title, but
I'm not sure if it is the G/K song:
Julie Budd
Taffy McElroy
Vivian Copeland
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:25:48 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Moulty Heroic redux
I'm sorry that I've only just now stumbled upon this information in
the dark recesses of my hard drive. This isn't exactly a contemporary
report, but for those who lately were wondering whatever became of
The Barbarians' drummer Moulty Moultin, I found two articles from 1996
stating that he had launched a new version of The Barbarians that
contained his two sons, then ages 19 and 20. They were slated to play
the Wonderland Ballroom in Revere on May 18, 1996.
One article states that Moulty "now lives in Abington [MA] and runs a
cleaning business on the side (Moulton Cleaning Co.)." Interestingly,
the second one says "the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland
recently asked him for two of his distinctively notched drumsticks to
add to its collection." I wonder if this ever came to pass?
Mike
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:59:44 -0000
From: Robert
Subject: Re: The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
JJ asked:
> Any idea if "Lord of the Manor" is available on cd?
Yes, LORD OF THE MANOR is on the 2CD compilation, Walk Right Back:
The Everly Brothers on Warner Brothers 1960-1969.
Rob
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