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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Everlys on Warner Bros
From: Al Kooper
2. Soul Patrol East Coast Convention
From: Larry Shell
3. Fess Parker on Glen Campbell Show
From: Robert
4. Re: Lulu's "Oh Me, Oh My (I'm A Fool For You Baby)"
From: Frank Murphy
5. Re: The Everlys on Warner Bros
From: mj1244
6. Re: "Go Away Little Girl"
From: Phil X Milstein
7. Re: Raga Rock
From: Mike McKay
8. Re: Carole King's "Go Away Little Girl" demo to Musica
From: Rodney Rawlings
9. Doris Day
From: Brent Cash
10. Garry Bonner demos
From: John Berg
11. Re: The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
From: Austin Roberts
12. Carole King's "Go Away Little Girl"; Mike Clifford?
From: Country Paul
13. Re: The Everlys on Warner Bros
From: Steve Harvey
14. Carole King Demos
From: Diane
15. Re: The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
From: Steve Harvey
16. Roosevelt Grier's "Fool, Fool, Fool"
From: Lyn Nuttall
17. Re: Don't Try To Fight It, Baby
From: Phil X Milstein
18. Re: "Oh No, Not My Baby" - Carole King demo around?
From: Tony Leong
19. The Family of Apostolic; Mystics
From: Country Paul
20. Re: S'pop home page photo
From: Artie Wayne
21. Mike Clifford info
From: Country Paul
22. Columbia early sixties picture 45s
From: Dan Hughes
23. Re: Mike Clifford; So Goes Love; The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
From: Phil X Milstein
24. Re: For the love of Mike Clifford
From: Julio Niño
25. Re: The Family of Apostolic; Mystics
From: (That) Alan Gordon
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:20:29 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: The Everlys on Warner Bros
Previously:
> This one as well as the amazing Sing Me Back Home, and their extremely
> moving, atmospheric remake of I Wonder If I Care As Much. Oh and Empty
> Boxes.........I could go on and on........and you can't even get their
> original mid & late 60's albums on CD (except Roots)! This needs to be
> corrected RHINO.
Ahhh...but ya can. I just bought 2 two-fers:
a) Instant Party/Both Sides Of An Evening/8(!) Bonus trax!!!
b) A Date With.../ It's Everly Time/7 bonus trax
on Warners, UK I think - Produced for reissue by Andreww Sandoval -
Engineered by Bill Inglot. Hopefully there is/will be more.
Happy Chappy Kooper
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:16:12 -0400
From: Larry Shell
Subject: Soul Patrol East Coast Convention
I figure this would be of interest to some listers. I came across this
online.............................
The 2004 Soul Patrol East Coast Convention is on July 30th and 31st in
Willingboro, NJ and it looks like most of the events are free except for
the Awards Show / Cabaret at the end of the second day.
Guests include Howard Tate, Barbara Mason, Billy Paul, Chi-Lites, Arlene
Smith of The Chantals, Mandrill, Legendary Escorts, Mighty Sam McClain,
Ab Libs, and many others. Many of these folks will be available to sign
autographs and will have CDs and other items for sale apparently.
There'll also be many seminars as well as some documentaries screened.
You can find all the info here.
http://www.soul-patrol.com/convention/
This has been a public service announcement.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:42:20 -0000
From: Robert
Subject: Fess Parker on Glen Campbell Show
Does anyone know the name of the groovy (believe it or not) song
Fess Parker did on the Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour? Title may be
Girl With Green Eyes or Underground Railroad Station. This was
approximately 1970. And is this an actual record or just a TV
performance? Have video of some of Glen's shows and always been
curious about this song. Please help.
Thanks, Rob
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:36:34 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Re: Lulu's "Oh Me, Oh My (I'm A Fool For You Baby)"
Gary Myers:
> ...but "A Fool For You" is definitely the same song Lulu did as "Oh
> Me Oh My," as I had (maybe still have) the record. My mistake on the
> date, however. I was assuming it must have been before Lulu's.
The original title is "Oh Me, Oh My (I'm A Fool For You Baby)". I
wonder if Walter Jackson picked it up from Lulu's "New Routes" LP,
which was recorded at Muscle Shoals, or from Aretha's cover on "Young
Gifted and Black"?
FrankM
reflections on northern soul Saturday's two thirty pm:
http://www.radiomagnetic.com or listen to an archive show:
http://www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/rnb.php
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:37:32 -0400
From: mj1244
Subject: Re: The Everlys on Warner Bros
I am partial to "Two Yanks In England," which is still not out on CD
yet. Criminally overlooked even in reissue.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:03:47 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: "Go Away Little Girl"
Julio Niño wrote:
> Bob, You´ve got us mesmerized with Carole's demos and the very
> interesting information about them. "Go Away Little Girl", with
> Carole singing to another girl is very suggestive, in my opinion
> she sounded specially convincing in that demo. I also like very
> much the childish version of the song by Donny Osmond.
I think it was Donny she was singing to in that demo.
--Phil M.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:56:48 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Raga Rock
Patrick wrote:
> I've been coming across songs lately which would fit the description
> of Raga Rock or Sitar Rock - songs which have pretty much one chord,
> sometimes use sitars, have repetitive beats and chanted vocals and
> often drone on for a few minutes. I'm more willing to call it Raga
> Rock because I don't want to limit it to only songs with sitars.
>
> There's the song Nicole on The Minx soundtrack by The Cyrkle, and a
> handful of songs on Rhino Handmade's Hallucinations. I'd love to get
> together a list of Raga Rock songs, anyone interested in this idea?
The first raga rock (or at least Indian-inspired) song by a well-known
artist is "See My Friends" by The Kinks. However, this does have
conventional chord patterns on the bridge. "Norwegian Wood" by The
Beatles is often cited in this discussion, but in reality the sitar is
used more as a funny-sounding guitar on this song than it is in the way
sitars are normally used. The song itself goes to a distinct flatted
7th on "she once had (me)" that takes it out of the drone category for
me, though some have disagreed with me on this. In any case, as on "See
My Friends," the bridge has conventional western chord patterns.
The Beatles' later "Love You To" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" are more
conventional Indian drone songs -- though it could be argued that the
flatted 7th occurs in them as well, perhaps not as forcefully. "Within
You, Without You" may be the closest to a pure Indian drone...more so
than "Blue Jay Way" (which has several major 7ths, etc. imposed on top
of it) or "The Inner Light" which also has implied chords.
Traffic's "Utterly Simple" is closer to the mark (and also performed
primarily on the sitar, I believe). There's also Country Joe and the
Fish's "An Untitled Protest" from their third album "Together." The
organ provides the drone in this one.
> I also wonder if some of the songs without the sitars are still
> influenced by Indian music, or is there any other influence which
> could've occurred (like minimalism?).
Remember too that there is a tradition in blues for one-chord songs
that stands right alongside the traditional I-IV-V. The greatest of
them all, and a record that still raises the hairs on the back of my
neck even after I've played it for the thousandth time, is "Moanin'
at Midnight" by Howlin' Wolf. Wolf made several other recordings of
a similar one-chord nature in the course of his career -- "Smokestack
Lightning" is probably the best-known. I suppose these songs can't be
considered "drone" songs the way an obviously Indian-influenced one
would be, but they have a similar hypnotic effect.
> I wonder if there was a point where the repetitive one chord songs
> no longer have that psychedelic vibe influenced from the raga, and
> instead become mindnumbing punkers - or was that not done before
> punk and alternative rock?
Stewart mentioned The Velvet Underground and "Sister Ray." The Velvets
would be the first to disown the psychedelic tag, but there still was
a similar mesmerizing effect brought on by their long explorations,
which often as not revolved around a single chord. For example, "White
Light/White Heat," while it did have a quick fifth chord in its verses,
was one chord only once it got to the jam part.
Interestingly, although "Venus in Furs" does clearly have a flatted
7th and a 5th in the course of its verses, it may be even more drone-
like in the end due to the insistent sawing of John Cale's viola.
Mike
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:27:33 -0000
From: Rodney Rawlings
Subject: Re: Carole King's "Go Away Little Girl" demo to Musica
"Go Away Little Girl" done by Carole King: What a stunningly beautiful
song--one of my all-time favorites, a work of genius. What delights me
also, besides hearing the composer sing it in her very affecting voice
--is the fact that all the things I love about the Steve Lawrence
version's arrangement were there in Carole King's arrangement. Thank
you, thank you, Bob Celli!
Rodney Rawlings
"Music, Melody, and Songs"
http://www3.sympatico.ca/rr.rawlings/home.frames.htm
To hear a musical paean to HALLEY'S COMET (headphones or good speakers
urged!): http://solohq.com/Articles/Rawlings/halleys.comet.mp3
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:41:49 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Doris Day
Hi Mick and Julio (Julio, keep quiet about your roasted cerebellum,
Hannibal may be a lurking Spectropopper). Since you two (I've always
enjoyed your respective posts BTW) mentioned Doris recently, can you
or anyone else tell me if one of my fave Bacharach/David songs,
"Send Me No Flowers" (movie theme, 1964) is on CD at present? I could
listen to that one all day long!
My broad bed has room for the taller of the two persons on the cover
of The Brass Rings' "The Disadvantages Of You" LP. (hint: not Phil
Bodner). Swoon, I'm afraid.
Best wishes to all,
Brent Cash
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:14:50 EDT
From: John Berg
Subject: Garry Bonner demos
When (and by what label) will Gary Bonner's demos be released on CD?
We need to hear these!!!
John Berg
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:14:33 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
Previously:
> I loved Lord Of The Manor and was hoping they would stay in that
> direction. Who produced that album? Was it Wes Farrell?
Al Kooper:
> I think not.
I agree it dosen't sound like one of Wes's productions, but someone
once told me he did. Does anybody know who produced it?
Austin Roberts
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:18:28 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Carole King's "Go Away Little Girl"; Mike Clifford?
Bob Celli:
> I've just posted the demo of "Go Away Little Girl" done by Carole
> King for Bobby Vee to musica. It is a beauty! Love those tom toms
> rolling along in the background along with a great sounding piano.
Wow - except for the gender-switch, this could have been a "real"
record all by itself! Interesting story about how this got away from
Bobby Vee; I can hear him doing it in my head (and it sounds great!).
Mike Clifford's "That's What She Said" is also very nice. So, the
inevitable question: whatever happened to Mike Clifford?
Country Paul
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:55:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: The Everlys on Warner Bros
Al Kooper wrote:
> ...I just bought 2 two-fers: Instant Party/Both Sides
> Of An Evening/8(!) Bonus trax!!! (and) A Date With.../
> It's Everly Time/7 bonus trax on Warners, UK I think -
> Produced for reissue by Andreww Sandoval - Engineered
> by Bill Inglot. Hopefully there is/will be more.
I doubt that the two fers are coming out at this
point. The doubles CDs you got have been out for a few
years now. There were a three more scheduled for
release (check the Everlys Kentucky website), but have
never come out. I'm making do with my vinyl to CDR
burns.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:47:38 -0000
From: Diane
Subject: Carole King Demos
Hi Poppers!
I remember reading that Dusty Springfield actually collected Carole
King demos. Dusty thought they were works of art in their own right.
Thanks to Bob, Mike and Mick, I finally got the opportunity to hear
a few of those demos. My God!! It's amazing how closely the demo
arrangements were followed in the covers that got air play. Really
adds to my already deep appreciation of Carole's talent. How glad I
am that she chose to share that talent with us!
Happy holiday weekend to the US-based members!
Diane, aka Hurdygirl
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:57:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
Al Kooper wrote:
> Thought ("Lord Of The Manor") was also on the Warners
> one called Heartaches & Harmonies.
That's the Rhino boxset. I have yet to see any compilation
done the way I'd do it. Bear Family needs to release a
Warner Bros. years box if they haven't done it already.
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:42:14 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Roosevelt Grier's "Fool, Fool, Fool"
Roosevelt Grier's "Fool, Fool, Fool": I'm trying to find out who
wrote this song. Is it the same song recorded by the Clovers and
Elvis, credited to Ertegun (or Nugetre in some cases)? Ray Brown
& the Whispers had a big hit in Australia in '65 with their version.
Thanks,
Lyn
in Australia
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:59:21 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Don't Try To Fight It, Baby
In response to all the Goffin-King-Vee action here lately, someone
posted a list of some Goffin-Keller compositions. The list included an
Eydie Gorme recording titled "Don't Try To Fight It Baby," a 1963
release on Columbia (not sure if anyone else ever cut the song). Besides
being a very enjoyable track and vocal, this record is also notable for
its line-drawing depiction of Eydie on the label, a perk I don't recall
Columbia -- nor many other labels, for that matter -- ever doing for any
of its other artists.
Find not only said recording at musica
( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ ), but also said
label at Photos ( http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst/ ).
And have yourself an Eydie little day.
--Phil M.
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 04:52:15 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Re: "Oh No, Not My Baby" - Carole King demo around?
Right Don!! On the Maxine Brown version of "Oh No Not My Baby", Dee
Dee Warwick did sing on the harmony part during the chorus with
Maxine. Aretha of course sang with the Sweet Inspirations. Dusty's
first version ( which was scrapped ) was sung with the Breakaways,
but the version released on one of her LP's featured the back-up of
Dusty herself, Madeline Bell, and Doris Troy!!. Great song that was!!!!
BTW, the Shirelles version WAS released in the mid-60's on a budget
LP. Tony
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 00:58:19 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: The Family of Apostolic; Mystics
At www.houseplantpicturestudio.com, one Kurt Benbenek has posted all four
sides of a Vanguard-Apostolic album from 1968, "The Family of Apostolic,"
apparently rthe first 12-track studio in New York. The following notes leapt
out at me:
Kurt Benbenek: "Soon after opening his 12-track Apostolic Studio, it was
booked solid by such artists as The Critters, Spanky And Our Gang, the
Serendipity Singers, and most of all Frank Zappa and the Mothers Of
Invention. John himself was a member of The Magicians (featured on the
influential Nuggets compilation)...."
John Townley: "'Saigon Girls' was a tune written by Garry Bonner and Alan
Gordon (who wrote most of the Turtles' hits, like "Happy Together"), earlier
part of The Magicians along with Alan Jacobs (Bunky and Jake) and myself."
This track is mainly instrumental, with a sound effects montage. Alan, any
comments on this unusual album? This track is a far cry from "Happy
Together"!
Laura Pinto recommends "audio interviews [at] http://www.trackoneaudio.com
." There's a lot to listen to; I'm listening to the new incarnation of the
Mystics at the moment. Thanks for the lead!
Julio Nino, Mike Clifford had a big hit with "Close To Kathy," and followed
it up with the incredibly gorgeous but sadly lyrically-insipid (in my
opinion) "What To Do With Laurie." "Danny's Dream" was another beautful
record (flip of one of the above, if I remember correctly) and "One By One
The Roses Died," which I had mentioned, was probably his most mature work.
All were on United Artists. As I recall, he was also extremely good-looking
in that Fabian-style image. A search through Google has proven fruitless so
far.
Country Paul
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:56:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: S'pop home page photo
Steve Harvey:
> Say, isn't that Artie Wayne's "fiance" Dee Dee Sharp sitting next
> to his "jogging buddy" Cassius Clay?
Steve.........How ya' doin'? Yeah.......thanks for reminding me. For
the whole story you can check out my website:
http://artiewayne.com/pg9.html
regards, Artie Wayne
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:57:06 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Mike Clifford info
Bits of info can be found on Mike Clifford, but only with serious digging.
>From http://www.centrohd.com/bio/bio10/mike_clifford_b.htm
"[Born] 6 November 1943, Los Angeles, California, USA. Clifford scored one
Top 20 single in the US charts in 1962, 'Close To Cathy.' He was a nightclub
singer by the age of 16, when discovered by Helen Noga, manager of Johnny
Mathis. Clifford was signed to Columbia Records where he did not meet with
success; but a 1962 switch to United Artists resulted in his biggest hit. Two
follow-up singles also charted but later recordings for such labels as Cameo
Records and other independent companies did not bring further success.
During the '70s Clifford performed on Broadway in Grease."
>From http://www.horror-wood.com/rock_beach.htm there's this nugget tucked
into a plot summarey of a beach-party monster movie, "Village of The Giants"
(1965):
"As the park party continues, we get a brief tune from a guy called Mike
Clifford. I don’t know much about him. Guess he had a hit called 'Close To
Cathy.' Here he sings a song called 'Maryanne.' He’s a Frankie Avalon,
Fabian, type."
>From http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-111213
"Guest Starring Roles:
Where The Action Is - Guest - Everly Brothers / Mike Clifford (1965)
Shindig - Himself - Jerry Lee Lewis / Raquel Welch / Yardbirds (1965)
Shindig - Himself - Dave Clark Five/Jay and the Americans/Dave Berry (1965)
American Bandstand - Himself - Jackie Wilson / The Uniques (1965)
American Bandstand - Guest - Mike Clifford singing 'Please Don't Make Her
Cry' and 'Close To Cathy' / The Larks (1964)
The Ed Sullivan Show - scheduled guest - scheduled: Mike Clifford; Kate
Smith; Bob Newhart; Nancy Walker (1963)
The Ed Sullivan Show - scheduled guest - scheduled: Sid Caesar; Connie
Francis; Joan Sutherland (1961)
The Ed Sullivan Show - Himself - Mahalia Jackson / Jack Carter / Delores
Gray / Mike Clifford (1961)"
Country Paul
Guest Archivist
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 07:33:54 -0500
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Columbia early sixties picture 45s
Phil X Milstein writes:
> In response to all the Goffin-King-Vee action here lately, someone
> posted a list of some Goffin-Keller compositions. The list included
> an Eydie Gorme recording titled "Don't Try To Fight It Baby," a 1963
> release on Columbia (not sure if anyone else ever cut the song).
> Besides being a very enjoyable track and vocal, this record is also
> notable for its line-drawing depiction of Eydie on the label, a perk
> I don't recall Columbia -- nor many other labels, for that matter --
> ever doing for any of its other artists.
Phil, I can't give specifics, but I do remember several Columbia 45s
from that era--most, maybe all of them, orange labels--that had drawings
of the artists on the label. I'm thinking maybe Dion, Andy Williams,
Johnny Cash. And I thought they weren't done all that well. Didn't look
a lot like the artists involved....
---Dan
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:17:50 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Mike Clifford; So Goes Love; The Everlys' "Lord Of The Manor"
Country Paul wrote:
> Julio Nino, Mike Clifford had a big hit with "Close To Kathy" ... All
> were on United Artists. As I recall, he was also extremely good-looking
> in that Fabian-style image. A search through Google has proven fruitless
> so far.
There's a short feature on Clifford included in my Feb. 1962 "Song Hits"
recreation, at http://www.aspma.com/temp/SongHits . In it we gain such
insights as "His manager Mrs. Helen Noga, too, feels that the 18-year-old
baritone has a great future in store, and has invested a lot of her money
into preparing him for the years ahead." Let us hope she did so wisely.
Included is a photo, supporting Paul's claim for Clifford's Fabianesqueness.
Just received the Monkees' "Missing Links" series I'd ordered last week.
I was practically crestfallen to hear the twerpy Davy Jay behind the mic
for their version of "So Goes Love," leaving me to recreate in my mind's
ear what it might've sounded like with the heroic Micky Dee in his
place. So close, and yet so far ...
Austin Roberts wrote:
> I agree it dosen't sound like one of Wes's productions, but someone
> once told me he did. Does anybody know who produced it?
Wes Farrell it was.
--Phil M.
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:35:15 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Re: For the love of Mike Clifford
Hola Everybody.
I'm on holidays, 'till the first of September. Lots of spare time for
lazing around by day (hiding from the sun) and wandering by night.
Thanks a lot to Country Paul for the information about Mike Clifford,
of course it has intensified my curiosity about him. I deduce that he
was handsome. I wish I could see a picture of him to feed my turbid
fantasies.
I've also enjoyed very much the web page about pop horror and Sci-Fi
movies you cited. I love that kind of film, full of pretty and silly
young girls and boys (sometimes stupidity can be so stimulating).
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 08:20:39 -0700
From: (That) Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: The Family of Apostolic; Mystics
Country Paul, John Townley is one of the most facinating, briliant
minds I have ever come across. He is a fusion of Andy Warhol and
Wally Cox. He has written extensivly on astrology, made numerous
recordings of sea shanties and has a large following in Poland [I'm
serious}. When he built Apostolic Studios, he painted the elevator
shaft with all the Zodiak symbols. So when you took the elevator, by
the time you reached the studio floor you were already high! If any
of you S'popers have a copy of the "Four To GO' video you will see
John and his wife Gilma in their apartment, and get a good idea of
the essence of Townley. Garry and I wrote a lot of differant kind of
songs. "Saigon Girls" was just another expression of the anti Viet
Nam feelings we all shared back then. I still remember the record
sleeve, a B52 flying in the clouds, in black and white. Hope and
Pray for Peace.
Best, That Alan
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