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There are 19 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Krystal Generation (who were they?)
From: Louis Wendruck
2. Has Anyone Ever Noticed...
From: Mark Hill
3. Re: "Telstar" with Words / Margie Singleton, etc.
From: Paul Urbahns
4. Re: "Telstar" with Words
From: thirteen_eagle
5. Re: Ramona (and Cleo) King
From: Mick Patrick
6. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
From: Martin Roberts
7. Re: "Telstar" with Words
From: S.J. Dibai
8. Re: "Telstar" with Words
From: ACJ
9. Re: "Telstar" with Words by "Kenny Hollywood" (Geoff Goddard)?
From: mantanhattan
10. Re: Carole King's "A Man Without A Dream" demo
From: "snap07801"
11. upcoming fun in Gnashville
From: Al Kooper
12. Re: Everly Brothers - The Ferris Wheel / Lord of the Manor..
From: Mike McKay
13. Quincy & Lesley
From: Gary Myers
14. Re: This Diamond Demo
From: Al Kooper
15. Re: Krystal Generation
From: Simon White
16. Re: Danny Williams -- Whose Little Girl Are You
From: Steve T. Brewer
17. Re: Pitney & Sedaka
From: Al Kooper
18. Happy Christmas Richard Williams
From: Eddy
19. Paul Simon - early years
From: Stefan Wriedt
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:00:39 -0000
From: Louis Wendruck
Subject: Re: Krystal Generation (who were they?)
In case any of you are wondering, who is the group "Krystal
Generation," here is some info about them:
The lead singer of "Krystal Generation" was Joyce Smith and other
members were Darlene Arnold, Mary Shelley and Mary Lead.
"Krystal Generation" members were from Chicago, Illinois, and were a
part of Simtec & Wylie's road show.
They had eight single releases on four different labels.
Their first 2 releases were on T-Box Records:
1.) "Good Man" b/w "I've Got to Leave Him"
2.) "I'm Gonna Build" b/w "Hard Knot to Swallow"
Simtec & Wylie's T-Box Records was named after the Tea Boxes Band
that backed the revue on the road. Fred White, Maurice's brother,
was part of the Simtec & Wylie revue before leaving to join his
brothers in Earth, Wind & Fire. Pamela Moffett, who later
collaborated with Smokey Robinson and Eugene Record, co-wrote "Good
Man."
They also released the same song on Buddah Records:
3.) "Good Man" b/w "I've Got to Leave Him" Buddah 123
The next release was on TwiNight Records:
4.) "Is It Meant to Be" b/w "Satisfied" (1970) Twinight 138
Their next three singles were on Gene Chandler's Mr. Chand Records:
5.) "Wanted Dead or Alive" (1971) Mister Chand 8006
6.) "Please Stop Don't Walk Out" and "Where Does Love Go,"
7.) "Ain't No Way To Live" (1972) Mister Chand 8012
Their last release was on CMC Records:
8.) "Wonderful World" b/w "You Were Never Mine" CMC 301
This information should be credited to Andrew Hamilton of All Music
Guide.
I have these singles:
"Good Man" b/w "I've Got to Leave Him" Buddah 123
"Wanted Dead or Alive" (1971) Mister Chand 8006
"Ain't No Way To Live" (1972) Mister Chand 8012
I am looking for these singles:
"I'm Gonna Build" b/w "Hard Knot to Swallow" T-Box
"Is It Meant to Be" b/w "Satisfied" (1970) Twinight 138
"Please Stop Don't Walk Out" and "Where Does Love Go" Mister Chand
"Wonderful World" b/w "You Were Never Mine" CMC 301
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Louis Wendruck in Los Angeles, California
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:27:31 -0400
From: Mark Hill
Subject: Has Anyone Ever Noticed...
Has Anyone noticed...???
The theme from TV's "HIGH CHAPPARAL" (NBC Western. 09-67 to 09-71),
sounds just like THE TORNADOS- "Telstar" (01-62) Produced by Joe Meek.
Could there be any connection???
HIGH CHAPPARAL is currently running Saturdays at NOON
on The Hallmark Channel (Time Warner CH. 23)
Here's what happened. It was just on the TV in the background, I was
at my PC and not paying attention to it at all. Then I noticed I was
humming "Telstar" and wondered "why?" Then the CHAPPERAL theme
music came on again and almost knocked me out of my chair.
"Dr. Mark" Hill * The Doctor Of Pop Culture
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:32:00 EDT
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Re: "Telstar" with Words / Margie Singleton, etc.
Margaret,
I do not have the version of Telstar you refer to but the most played
vocal version in our area (I noticed the Bellsouth web company) was
recorded by Margie Singleton on Mercury 72079. It was probably
recorded in Nashville as Mercury's Nashville branch was very hot then
with artists like Ray Stevens. Margie Singleton had her own group of
studio singers (infact the sing backgrounds on the Ray Stevens hits).
She had five chart hits on the country chart, but magic Star was not
one of them. I remember when Magic Star was first issued (about the
same time as the Tornadoes instruumental) and it had a Edie Gorme type
sound.
Margie Singleton is probably best known for her biggest hit she did
not have. Story goes she ask Tom T Hall to write a song for her like
Ode To Billy Joe. He wrote Harper Valley PTA, and gave it to Shelby
Singleton (who is some relation to Margie) anyway Margie was out of
town at the time and Shelby recorded it with Jennie C Riley. Margie
eventually cut it and it appeared on an album by that name on Pickwick.
That's probably more than you wanted to know about Margie Singleton, a
real talented lady that has been overlooked.
Bobby Rydell, did a version that was only issued on an album. I have
that version and I think it is the same basic lyric as the Margie
Singleton. I also have a German version of the lyrics, even though I do
not understand German. But most of the versions I have are instrumental.
Magic Star is not in the BMI on line so I don't know who would be
credited as the author of the lyric.
Paul Urbahns
in Kentucky
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:45:38 -0000
From: thirteen_eagle
Subject: Re: "Telstar" with Words
I dug up my copy of "Magic Star (Tel Star)" by Margie Singleton on
Mercury and the only songwriting credit is to Joe Meek - or, as the
label reads, "(Joe-Meek)". Bill Justis arranged it in a nice sort of
spacey-lite fashion. Did anybody else record the vocal version?
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:55:25 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Ramona (and Cleo) King
Dave O:
> Many years ago I remember seeing a 45 of the song Oriental
> Garden by Ramona King. I seem to recall the songwriting credit
> as "C. King". Didn't think too much of it at the time, but now
> with all the chatter about Carole King's demos, (all delightful,
> by the way), does anyone know if Carole was the writer on this
> single? And as long as I'm asking, does anyone have any
> background on Ramona King? Thanks...
We've been here before. I searched the S'pop Forum Archives and
found the message below. In short, "C. King" isn't Carole King,
but a man named Cleo King, Jr.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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> Phil Milstein:
> Anyone know of any pix of or b.g. info on Ramona King?
>
> Me:
> Ramona King has always seemed a bit of a mystery figure, despite
> her lengthy recording career. See my attempt at a discography
> below - additions and corrections very gratefully received. The
> only picture of her that I have ever seen is on her hideously rare
> 4 track French Warner Bros EP of 1964. And I only have a small
> illustration of that item in a book. Her full name was Ramona Ruth
> King and she wrote many of her own songs, frequently with one Cleo
> King Jr, perhaps her brother or husband? She also co-wrote one of
> Sugar Pie De Santo's sides. A West Coast artist, many of her 45s
> are quite marvellous. "Oriental Garden", for example, arranged by
> Jack Nitzsche for Lee Hazlewood's Eden logo, is to die for. "What
> About You", on the same label, was also recorded by the Cannon
> Sisters and Charlotte O'Hara - it's hard to choose between the
> three versions. Ramona's version of "It's In His Kiss" falls
> between the original by Merry Clayton and Betty Everett's hit
> rendition. Again, it's a tough call to choose a favourite of the
> three. Jerry Riopell(e) was her producer at Warner Bros. It's
> tempting to assume that it was these great records which brought
> him to the attention of Phil Spector. I have no evidence to support
> my theory that Ramona is related to Clydie King, just a gut feeling.
> As many of you know, I named my pet cat after Ramona.
>
> Ramona King Discography
>
> Ramona King & Cleo:
> Dream On/Soul Mate (Arvee 5041, 1961)
>
> Ramona King:
> Oriental Garden/Soul Mate (Eden 3, 1962)
> Mind Reader/What About You (Eden 5, 1963)
> Ballyhoo/I Wanna Dance (Eden 6, 1963)
> It's In His Kiss/It Couldn't Happen To A Nicer Guy (Warner Bros 5416, 1964)
> You Say Pretty Words/Blue Roses (Warner Bros 5432, 1964)
> Run Johnny Run/It Couldn't Happen To A Nicer Guy (Warner Bros 5452, 1964)
> Hey Everybody/Make The Night A Little Longer (Warner Bros 5602, 1965)
> Stay Away From The Fire/What Have I Got To Cry About (Amy 989, 1967)
> Everybody Knows/It's You That I Want (Action 1053)
> A Few Years Later/I Choose You (Soul Set 104, 1975)
>
> Sugar Pie De Santo:
> That Lovin' Touch (Brunswick 55375, 1968)
> Written by Peylia Parham (aka Sugar Pie De Santo) and Ramona King
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PS: Ramona (the cat) R.I.P.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:51:44 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
Oh Happy Day...
Bob Celli has been at it again. He has written a great piece for
the Fans Reviews page detailing Jack Nitzsche's work with Bobby Vee:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/fansreviews.htm#bobbyvee
That's not all. One of the tracks they recorded together, "Like
Someone In Love" was never released. Bob's agreed to it being
featured on the Home page as the Record Of The Week. He describes
it as a "wall of sound" arrangement. Check it out at:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
My tip last week to listen to "Little Steven's Underground Garage"
radio tribute to Jack Nitzsche may have got buried within our
avalanche of postings. Not to worry, visit "On The Radio" for info
on downloading from Little Steven's site. Also featured is a cool
email flyer and jingle for the show:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm#littlesteven
Martin
PS While on the Home page listening to "Like Someone In Love",
checkout the 'Coming Soon' box.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:20:34 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Re: "Telstar" with Words
thirteen_eagle wrote:
> I dug up my copy of "Magic Star (Tel Star)" by Margie Singleton
> Did anybody else record the vocal version?
Yep. Bobby Rydell did it on one of those Cameo "All The Hits" albums.
I can't remember which one right now, but it's available on the
bootleg CD "That Old Black Magic," from Famous Groove Records. It's
actually quite good!
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:42:56 -0400
From: ACJ
Subject: Re: "Telstar" with Words
I have a Mercury single of "Magic Star" by Margie Singleton (country
singer & wife of label prez Shelby Singleton). It also credits the
writing only to Joe Meek.
ACJ
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:41:00 -0000
From: mantanhattan
Subject: Re: "Telstar" with Words by "Kenny Hollywood" (Geoff Goddard)?
Margaret G. Still wrote:
> Could somebody tell me if this demented version of "Telstar" with
> words by "Kenny Hollywood" is sung by Geoff Goddard (sounds like
> the voice in "Starman" to me) and whether it is produced by Joe Meek?
Roy Clough:
> When Joe decided to release a vocal version of 'Telstar' he turned
> to Kenny Hollywood. Who was Kenny Hollywood? No one knows for
> certain though one theory purports that it was a young Marc Bolan.
> Whoever it was, the song, 'Magic Star', was a resounding flop.
I can post my copy of this single - a dj copy, unavailable on CD to my
knowledge - if anyone is interested. I thought it sounded a lot like
some of the Geoff Goddard tracks that used to be available on one of
the Joe Meek sites. It would be very cool if this "Kenny Hollywood"
turned out to be Marc Bolan, however. I'd like for others to hear it
and judge.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:53:06 -0000
From: "snap07801"
Subject: Re: Carole King's "A Man Without A Dream" demo
Mick Patrick:
> ... Carole King demos ... All being well, more will follow.
> Does anyone have any special requests?
Peter Richmond:
> What about that brilliant song "A Man Without A Dream"...
Mick:
> You're in luck. Thanks to Mike Carter, Carole King's original
> demo of this magnificent song is available and is now playing
> at musica: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
> There'll be a rush to listen to the track, no doubt. Yahoo have
> imposed new limits, so if you can't get to hear it one day,
> please be patient and try again the next. With any luck, our pal
> Don H. will furnish us with a complete list of all known recorded
> versions.
Okay. This is one of my favorite G/K tunes. Reminds me a bit
of "People Get Ready" by Curtis Mayfield. There are not too many
versions of MWAD that I know about. The best (imho) is The City.
Danny Kortchmar on leads and Carole King on backgrounds. I think
they nailed it. Righteous Bros version is probably the most well
known, or the Monkees, who come far from nailing it. For those of
you with the "Goin' Back" comp, it is by Long John Baldry. Also The
Mauds, Ben E. King and Lovelace Watkins. I've done a lot of research
and these are the only ones I know of.
I think my all-time favorite G/K number is "No Easy Way Down". I
thought I was told by someone that the demo is exactly the same as
the version on "Writer".
Don H.
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:53:41 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: upcoming fun in Gnashville
FROM THE GNASHVILLE PAPER:
Al Kooper joins the Long Players in celebrating one of rock'n'roll's
most influential records... originally recorded right here in Nashville.
Rumors persist that there may be some more special guests who also
played on the original album!
THE LONG PLAYERS PRESENT.....
Bob Dylan's "Blonde on Blonde"
THURSDAY, JULY 22
12th & PORTER - 9pm - $15
The Band / Long Players are : Bill Lloyd (guitar), Steve Allen (guitar),
Garry Tallent (bass), Al Kooper (organ), John Deaderick (piano), Steve
Ebe (drums)
GUEST VOCALISTS
Rainy Day Women #12 & #35 : Warren Pash
Pledging My Time : Phil Lee
Visions Of Johanna : Bobby Bare Jr.
One of Us Must Know (Sooner Or Later): Newton Dominy
I Want You : Mark Germino
Stuck Inside of Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again : Tracy Nelson
Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat : Al Kooper
Just Like A Woman : Adrian Belew
Most Likely You Go Your Way... : Jason Ringenberg
Temporary Like Achilles : Will Kimbrough
Absolutely Sweet Marie : Bob Develante
4Th Time Around : Richard Ferrera
Obviously Five Believers : John Jorgenson
Sad-Eyed Lady.. : Everyone takes a partial verse
"It's the culmination of Dylan's electric rock & roll period - he would
never release a studio record that rocked this hard, or had such bizarre
imagery, ever again."
Stephen Thomas Erlewine, ALLMUSIC.COM
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:22:05 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Everly Brothers - The Ferris Wheel / Lord of the Manor..
JJ wrote:
> Just got the ´93 Double Set on Warner Archives; WALK RIGHT BACK - The
> Everly Brothers on Warner Bros. 1960-1969.........and what a BLUNDER
> they made by not including the AWESOME ´64 45, "The Ferris Wheel"
> (which must be rated as one their FINEST MOMENTS!)....
I've always liked this song, too, and I can remember Dan Ingram playing
it on WABC in the summer of 1964. But according to the EB biography I
read recently, The Everly Brothers themselves didn't care for it. So
that may be why it wasn't included in the compilation.
Mike
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:07:54 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Quincy & Lesley
Previously:
> Speaking of Quincy Jones, isn't it funny how since he became a hero
> in black American music, he never talks about producing huge hits
> for a certain teenage white girl from New Jersey?
Lesley Gore *was* one of the guests on some TV tribute show to him a
few years ago (or something like that).
gem
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:01:18 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: This Diamond Demo
Previously on S'pop:
> Then, on to Al Kooper's great demos! "This Diamond Ring" was a
> revelation to me! Had no idea it was originally planned for the
> Platters. Certainly, Jimmy Radcliffe did a great job giving it the
> Platters sound.
Uhhhhh....I'm glad you enjoyed it but it was The Drifters we were
romancing. I would NEVER get in Buck Ram's way........
Driftin' Al Kooper
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:31:31 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Krystal Generation
Louis Wendruck writes:
> Does anyone have any photos of the group "Krystal Generation" or
> any of their singles?
I have the 45 "Wanted Dead Or Alive"/"Everyman Seems To Be For Himself"
on Gene Chandler's "Mister Chand" label here, Louis (8006). If you need
any more info or a scan, get back to me offlist. Never seen a photo of
the group and know nothing about them I'm afraid.
There are versions of that song by The Voices Of East Harlem and The
Hypnotics, which is retitled "Beware Of The Stranger".
I have seen reference to the Krystal Generation 45 above under that
title too though but I've never seen the actual 45.
Simon
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:20:07 -0000
From: Steve T. Brewer
Subject: Re: Danny Williams -- Whose Little Girl Are You
Don,
On the album "Danny Williams" -Deram 1017 (UK) 1968, the notes say
that Danny wrote "Who's little girl.." with his road manager and
close friend Gil King. It's a good album too with an early version
of Bacharach/David's "This guy's in love with you" (hit for Herb
Alpert) but here it was entitled "That guy's in love" .. different
lyrical perspective and much better imo.
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:05:18 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Pitney & Sedaka
Matt Spero:
> I have always wondered about this. . . . almost all of Gene Pitney's
> recordings are stereo and this one falls right in the time frame that
> it should be stereo as well. So what's the story here Al? P.S. I
> always thought this recording has a kind of muffeled sound to it.
Yeah, muffled right into the top ten. It was a demo and they went back
one generation and removed Neil's lead and popped in Gene's. No way to
make it stereo, though....
Al "I LOVE stereo" Kooper
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:08:16 -0000
From: Eddy
Subject: Happy Christmas Richard Williams
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> Also spotted in my recent readings, this time in David Thompson's
> recent Phil Spector bio "Wall Of Pain," mentions one of our own in
> a most intriguing context. Referring to Spector's production of
> John & Yoko's "Happy XMas (War Is Over)," Thompson writes:
>
> "With the recording complete, John and Yoko, Spector, the musicians,
> the choir, the engineers, even the studio secretaries and watching
> journalist Richard Williams, were gathered around the plastic
> Christmas tree that John had erected in the studio. Photos were taken,
> a short film was shot, and when everybody spontaneously burst into
> choruses of 'Merry Christmas,' their salutations were recorded and
> added to the record."
>
> Anyone willing or able to embarrass the humble R.W. by posting a scan
> of that pic sleeve -- preferably with his countenance pointed out in
> some way?
Unable to identify Mr Williams, I just waited and sat back. But now the
sleeve is in the photo section and all that is needed is a finger
pointing in the right direction...
Eddy
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Dear Eddy, Phil and all,
View the picture here: http://tinyurl.com/6f2mj
Richard Williams can be found fifth from the left in the back row.
That's him with the moustache.
Happy Christmas.
Signed,
Very helpful S'pop moderator type person.
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:23:21 +0200
From: Stefan Wriedt
Subject: Paul Simon - early years
During my search for further info I came across the book mentioned below
by Ouida Mintz. My question to all Spectropoppers out there: Has anybody
read the book? Who owns one and can recommend it? Anybody with further
info on the songs Ouida Mintz wrote apart from her BMI listing? Any help
is appreciated ...
Best,
Stefan Wriedt
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My Friend Lenny
A memoir of my life in music
...with personal stories about Leonard Bernstein, Mike Wallace, Paul Simon,
and others.
Ouida Blatt Mintz tells of her life in music as it paralleled that of her
teenaged friend, Leonard Bernstein. She studied with the same piano teacher
and played with orchestra before he did. She made choices, which sent her in
a different direction from Bernstein but kept her friendship with him
through the years, meeting him for the final time at his last concert just
two months before he died ten years ago.
She also tells stories about her remarkable family and their friends, such
as Mike Wallace of CBS, with whom she played violin duets. Later, she wrote
pop music in the 50's and hired a short Queens College student to sing over
15 of her demos, sometimes singing duets with him. It was Paul Simon!
Ouida discusses the triumphs and tragedies in her life in this wonderful
memoir. Ray Sandiford, Ouida's 83-year-old partner, edited and typeset the
book. There are 150 photographs.
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