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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: "Go Go Radio Moscow"
From: Justin McDevitt
2. Re: Peppermint Trolley
From: Shawn
3. Re: "Go Go Radio Moscow"
From: Charles G. Hill
4. "Tell Me What He Said"
From: Charles Ellis
5. Shel Talmy
From: Artie Wayne
6. Re: Frankie Sardo / Buddy Holly
From: Artie Wayne
7. electric sitar
From: Phil X Milstein
8. Re: using snippets
From: Phil X Milstein
9. Re: Shadows & Reflections
From: MJ
10. Ellie Greenwich
From: "S'pop Projects"
11. arcane background singers
From: Brent Cash
12. Re: Little Frankie
From: "munsters1964"
13. Helen Shapiro's "Tell Me What He Said"
From: Frank Young
14. Helen Shapiro's "Tell Me What He Said"
From: Rob
15. Re: Peppermint Trolley
From: JJ
16. Songwriter royalties for medleys
From: Austin Roberts
17. Re: Arkade
From: Austin Roberts
18. Color My World
From: Karen Andrew
19. Re: "A Summer Song"
From: pinedrivein
20. Brill Building questions
From: Kerryanne
21. Re: Hi Ho Silver Throat!
From: Karen Andrew
22. Re: "A Summer Song"; "Go Go Radio Moscow"
From: ACJ
23. Re: Peppermint Trolley
From: Orion
24. Re: Ellie Greenwich
From: Laura Pinto
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:28:31 -0400
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Re: "Go Go Radio Moscow"
Hello all you Spectropop frozen faces,
Phil Milstein wrote:
> I'm curious if "Go Go Radio Moscow" used, as you suggest, "cover
> version" snippets, or, as per Goodman's usual style, the real
> things.
I remember hearing this Goodman track in Feb-March of 1967 and as I
recall, he used snippets from the three original tracks which Andrew
referenced in his post.
Best from Minnesota summer frozen face--your musical comrad,
Nikita The K (AKA Justin)
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:03:04 -0000
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: Peppermint Trolley
They released just the one LP but have enough singles before & after
it to fill a good CD, as well as a number of unreleased quality demos
and an early 45 as The Mark Five. Greg Tornquist is difficult to talk
to, Jimmy Faragher is very nice, no one knows the whereabouts of
Casey Cunningham, and the two Faragher Brothers no longer talk
unfortunately. Last word is that he cleans pools still in the
Redlands area.
Good...no, GREAT baroque style psych pop that I think would be a
seller & I've suggested this to Sundazed, Varese & Collector's Choice
for years now.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:49:21 -0500
From: Charles G. Hill
Subject: Re: "Go Go Radio Moscow"
ACJ asks:
> Does anyone out there know about a single called "Go Go Radio Moscow"
> by Nikita the K? I have it on an old bootleg album; it's supposedly a
> Radio Moscow show with a Murray the K - style DJ, station jingles,
> concert and contest promos, and brief parodies of "Tell It to the
> Rain" by the Four Seasons, "Georgy Girl" by the Seekers, and "We Ain't
> Got Nothin' Yet" by the Blues Magoos. Anyone know who created /
> performed on this record?
The single (Warner Bros. 7005) is credited to "Nikita the K and the
Friends of Ed Labunski"; writing and producing credit to How(ie?)
Dreeben and Ed Labunski, with appropriate writing credits for the songs
parodied as well.
And in answer to Phil Milstein's query:
> By the way, I'm curious if "Go Go Radio Moscow" used, as you suggest,
> "cover version" snippets, or, as per Goodman's usual style, the real
> things.
The backgrounds for the "Four Treasons" and "Red Magoos" songs sound
like the backgrounds for the original singles, overlaid by new vocals.
("Gorky Boy" sounds like it was redone, but it's very close to the
Shriekers' - er, Seekers' - original.)
Labunski seems to be better known as a Master of Jingles.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:25:55 -0000
From: Charles Ellis
Subject: "Tell Me What He Said"
I believe the song ("Tell Me What He Said") is the hit made famous
by Helen Shapiro, who was the British version of Connie Francis. She
was so big in the early 60s that the Beatles opened for HER!!
Unfortunately, she didn't make IT here in the US like Dusty, Petula
and Lulu.
Charles Ellis
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:01:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Shel Talmy
Speaking of "Summer Song" by Chad and Jeremy...
Does anyone out there know where I can get in touch with my old friend
Shel Talmy, who produced Chad and Jeremy's "Summer Song", as well as
the early hits of the Who and the Kinks?
thanks and regards, Artie Wayne
http://www.artiewayne.com/
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Frankie Sardo / Buddy Holly
Shawn...How ya' doin'? Yes I co-wrote "She Taught Me How To Cry"
with Frankie Sardo. One of my mentors, Paul Vance, put us together
with his nephew Danny Jordan [the Detergents] and we all wrote
together for a time.
Frankie would fascinate us with his Buddy Holly stories and how he
was one of the performers on his last tour. I haven't heard from
him, though, in about 20 years.
By the way, I love your Buddy Holly website. I learned how to play
guitar by watching Buddy's fingers from the 3rd row of an Alan
Freed Rock and Roll show and drawing little diagrams of what he was
doing.
regards, Artie Wayne
http://www.artiewayne.com/
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:29:32 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: electric sitar
I've had the electric sitar much on my mind lately. In leafing through
Danelectro's 1969-'70 catalogue, a copy of which I came upon in the
belongings of a friend's recently-deceased brother, I found a nifty page
devoted to the company's electric sitar line of that year. Trusting that
some of my Spectropop brethren (and sistren) may well enjoy seeing this
page, I've posted a scan of it to the Photos section.
Alongside that is a photo I shot last weekend of guitarist Phil Gough,
who I saw with the reconstituted (and very terrific) Bow Wow Wow,
plunking the electric sitar he pulled out mid-set for a couple of
unreleased numbers. I was fascinated, as I don't believe I've ever seen
one with my own eyes before, but couldn't quite get close enough to note
the make and model. If any of y'all recognize it from the photo, please
do let me know.
Finally, I've long toyed with the idea of compiling an album of songs
featuring (or including anywhere, for that matter) electric sitar, but
always back off due to the fact that I never bothered to list all the
ones I've heard over the years, and the only one I can ID from memory is
"Cry Like A Baby." Thus, I'd appreciate the listing of any such songs --
but, offlist please, to the EMA above.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:46:37 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: using snippets
Dave O'Gara wrote:
> Not exactly an answer to this question, but during an in-studio
> interview with the late Dickie Goodman, the natural question to ask
> was about royalty compensation for using the bits of hit songs that
> he was so famous for using. IIRC he said that using less than 8 bars
> of music by an artist did not require any payment. When he told me
> that, I no reason to question the fact. But I'll throw it out to you
> singer/songwriter/publishers..was that an accurate answer? Or is
> there more to it?
I've never been an industry pro, so I realize I'm speaking out of turn
by responding to Dave's question. But that's never stopped me before, so
here goes.
I believe that the rules of engagement on this issue have been upended
by the sampling revolution. I recall a case, in the 1980s, in which The
Turtles sued De La Soul for copyright infringement over the latter's use
of a sample of "You Showed Me" in their debut album "Three Foot High And
Rising." I don't know the details of the case, but seem to remember that
it hinged on a dividing line of a lift of seven notes.
There is, of course, a legal distinction between the use of an existing
recording and that of a new recording of an existing song. Both are
subject to infringement, but the laws covering the former type are much
stricter than the latter. Had Goodman re-recorded the song snippets he
included in his break-in records (even if they were near-replicas of the
original versions), all he'd have had to do was secure a mechanical
license -- which, for all intents and purposes, is automatic -- and pay,
at most, the compulsory fee and he'd have been free and clear. In order
to make use of an actual recording, though, he'd have needed the signed
permission of its copyright owner, which in most cases would've come
only with a substantial payment.
Goodman, though, operated on a fast-and-loose basis. Rarely (if ever)
bothering to secure permissions for his snippet usages, he seemed to
invite infringement suits, on the basis that the attendant publicity
could only have helped his record sales. Also, with a rampant gambling
habit, he was perpetually broke, and probably figured that litigants
could not, as the saying goes, get blood from a stone.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:25:22 -0400
From: MJ
Subject: Re: Shadows & Reflections
The Jackpots' [Gothenburgh, Sweden] version of "Shadows and
Reflections" is on a new Best-of CD. Well worth seeking out;
a bit poppier than The Actions' version. They recorded two
worthwhile albums, "Jack In The Box" [1968] and "Tic Tac Toe"
[1969] which was released in Sweden and Canada.
You can buy the "Jack In The Box" singles collection CD
[Swedish Universal] here: http://snipurl.com/7yho
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:34:05 +0100
From: "S'pop Projects"
Subject: Ellie Greenwich
New at S'pop
How To Write A Hit Song by ELLIE GREENWICH:
http://www.spectropop.com/EllieGreenwich/index.htm
Enjoy!
The S'pop Team
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:00:31 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: arcane background singers
Joe Somsky :
> Passaic High School chum Joey "Starlighter"
> Dee danced the Peppermint twist with Dave Brigati...
If there ever was a "fifth Rascal", it's gotta be
Mr. Dave (he got credit on "Once upon A Dream" LP, though).
And to me, in the mid-'60s, the "fifth Kink" would be Rasa
Davies (no sleeve credits that I know about). Supposedly
she's harmonizing on Waterloo Sunset-era things.
Joe, sorry about the loss of your friend.
Best to all,
Brent Cash
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:01:55 -0000
From: "munsters1964"
Subject: Re: Little Frankie
Peter Lerner,
Thanks for taking the time to reply on the Little Frankie 45. Until
you mentioned it, I hadn't thought about it, but you're probably
right, she might be a grandma by now.
If you like the song "The Kind Of Boy You Can't Forget," not only did
The Raindrops (Ellie Greenwich) do a fantastic version, but The Jelly
Beans also had a pretty good version of it.
I'll have to keep a lookout to see if I come across Little Frankie's
version as you've got me intrigued now.
All the best,
John Grecco
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:14:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Young
Subject: Helen Shapiro's "Tell Me What He Said"
Someone was asking about the song "Tell Me What He Said." They
quoted the lyrics extensively...it was written by Jeff Barry,
according to the credits on the Helen Shapiro CD I own that
contains the song.
It's a catchy, somewhat offbeat song for Jeff Barry ... enough
so that I have to question the songwriting credit. It's not at
all bubble-gummy, as the vast majority of Barry's songwriting
can be. It's also got a lot of chords, and a rather sophisticated
treatment of relative minor chords, neither of which is what I
expect (or want!) from a Jeff Barry song.
Anyway, that's the song, and Helen Shapiro recorded it in 1962.
Best,
Frank
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:39:00 -0000
From: Rob
Subject: Helen Shapiro's "Tell Me What He Said"
Re. the query by Kerry Anne Summut:
The song is indeed called "Tell Me What He Said". It was
released in the U.K. by Helen Shapiro in 1962, written by
Jeff Barry. Incidently, just heard on the news that Sacha
Distel has died aged 71.
Rob
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:55:01 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Re: Peppermint Trolley
Re Peppermint Trolley: their version of "Trust" is STUNNING!!
JJ/Sweden
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:27:12 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Songwriter royalties for medleys
Bob Celli wrote:
> A question arises out of this to the songwriters on S'pop. When a
> song is included in a medley, and perhaps only a verse is recorded,
> is the writer due full compensation as if it were the entire song
> recorded?
When I was an artist on Phillips circa 1969, Paul Leka was producing
me and we decided to do Runaway and Just A Little together. The
royalties (which were almost nil, were equal. I've heard that sometimes,
especially when a new song combined with a former hit, the splits are
usually in favor of the former hit. I guess it's up to the publishers
to work it out.
I have only had to sue once (because it was a number one record and
there was a lot of money involved,but mostly because I didn't appreciate
people stealing from me) and they settled equally before it went to
court.
Best, Austin Roberts
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:38:32 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Arkade
I'm not sure the Sentimental Lisa cut by groups other than the Arkade
were the same song, though it might have been. The picture of the 3
of us is probably the same one that was used for the sleeve of Morning
Of Our Lives. Life Is For Living was a single on me that Steve Barri
produced just after I left Arkade (which, incidently was a very
amicable split, as Michael Price, Dan Walsh and I were great friends
and still are, although we haven't seen each other in several years.
Best, Austin R.
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:02:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Andrew
Subject: Color My World
Phil M. wrote:
> Tony Hatch and/or Petula Clark fans will be either delighted or
> petrified to hear that a new ad, for M&M candies, is playing on
> U.S. TV that uses a version of "Color My World" as its soundtrack.
Sorry, this reply is so late - I'm really behind in reading my e-mails.
Phil, I'm glad you sent this message because I could not figure out
whose tune that is! I even thought it might be Madonna! (Sorry, Hatch
and Clark!).
Anyway, this commercial really gives me the creeps when I concentrate
on it. Maybe it's the effect the waves of changing colors create that
make me feel like I'm drowning. I'm a visual person who loves color but
the colors in this commercial are too much for me and this version of
the song is too much too. This is not a pleasant little jingle like,
say, Ron Dante's recent Applebee's commercial. Perhaps I'm just getting
old and perhaps this is a very appealing ad for the younger set!
Karen
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:12:58 EDT
From: pinedrivein
Subject: Re: "A Summer Song"
I have that second version on two compilations: "History Of British
Rock" and "Autumn Leaves". The song is mistitled as "Summer Love"
on the latter compilation.
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:50:59 -0000
From: Kerryanne
Subject: Brill Building questions
Thank you to those who answered my query on the Helen Shapiro song.
I have some other questions and delemnas which I am hoping someone
will be able to explain to this one very curious fanatic.
I am wondering how someone like Helen Shapiro in England would have
had access to songs by Jeff Barry and Bacharach. Would she have had
to physically have visited the Brill building or would her agent have
sussed out songwriters for her? Did the Brill songmakers specifically
write for individuals or did the songs go to the highest bidder? Is
it true they were generally on a weekly wage? And does that mean they
still get royalty payments for the songs they still own or are
credited to.
As our distances are widespread in this part of the world (Australia)
I often forget that our European counterparts are able to travel a
lot easer between countries and in the early sixties travel was a
popular pastime.which is kinda leading to my next question about
another Australian J.o.K.
Johnny O'Keefe who did take him self on a self promotional tour of the
US in the early sixties As I was born in 1960 my early introduction to
the girl groups was through the JOK version of 'Shout' which now makes
me wonder did he ever visit the US songmakers & are the any pictures
of him visiting the Brill building? and if not how would the likes of
JOK gotten the rights to sing SHOUT.
Cheers Kerryanne
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Andrew
Subject: Re: Hi Ho Silver Throat!
I may be totally off here but this reminds me of another album called
"Golden Throats: The Great Celebrity Sing-Off!" Anyway, a few years
back I started a new job and carpooled with someone I'll call Pam. I
didn't know her before starting this new job so I didn't know what to
think when one morning she brought this album to play on our long
commute and she seemed to seriously like it. I could not believe how
weird it was: William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Jack Webb, Robert
Conrad, etc. I wanted to laugh so I tried to be nice to Pam and told
her it must be some kind of joke. Afterall, I didn't want to offend my
new co-worker. So, she didn't agree or disagree with me. But, by the
time we got off work, we were tired and nearly slap-happy and playing
that Golden Throats all the way home had us in tears we were laughing
so hard. Nearly ran off the interstate several times! We both realized
it was meant to be funny. I just saw a review of it on Artistdirect.com
and the review calls it "perverse fun". So, I'm thinking this Bill
Cosby Silver Throat is of the same vein because the review said Golden
Throats was the start of "the whole celebrities-make-bad-records
collections that now proliferate like kudzu".
Karen
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:31:34 -0400
From: ACJ
Subject: Re: "A Summer Song"; "Go Go Radio Moscow"
For Steve in Australia: Fittingly, "my" version of "A Summer Song" is
on a "remix" of "History of British Rock" that Sire Records did
exclusively for the Columbia Record Club. Thanks for the info.
For Phil X. Milstein: "Go Go Radio Moscow" is done "live," in one take,
in a big studio with reverb, and with all the performers and musicians
present at once. (At least it sure sounds that way.) That wasn't Dickie
Goodman's style, so I doubt it was one of his creations, and the
record's "Nikita the K" doesn't sound like Dickie at all. But I could
be, and have been, wrong.
ACJ
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:02:34 -0500
From: Orion
Subject: Re: Peppermint Trolley
Re Peppermint Trolley: they also released an LP as "Bones". It is
the Faragher Brothers and some others.
Orion
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:32:56 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Re: Ellie Greenwich
S'pop Projects announced:
> New at S'pop
> How To Write A Hit Song by ELLIE GREENWICH:
> http://www.spectropop.com/EllieGreenwich/index.htm
> Enjoy!
Hello,
Cool writeup ... cool lady! Thanks for the great presentation.
Laura
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