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There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The Carefrees
From: Fred Clemens
2. Virginia Vee / 60s French Pop
From: Tom K
3. The Candymen
From: Austin Roberts
4. Industry insights
From: Austin Roberts
5. P.J.Proby / Peter James
From: Austin Powell
6. On Broadway
From: Alan Ackerman
7. You're no good
From: Peter Lerner
8. Re: What's It All About . . .
From: Joe Foster
9. The Epic Splendor
From: Joe Nelson
10. Re: Myddle Class playing at Musica
From: Kevin Kern
11. Alfie
From: Frank Murphy
12. Ringo records - one more question
From: Andres Jurak
13. Re: Brill Building
From: Lex Cody
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:55:06 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: The Carefrees
Andres Jurak:
> I've posted a pic of the Carefrees LP sleeve in the Photos
> section. I'm not sure if the photo is of their original LP
> cover or re-release. The LP was made in Canada. No year of
> release anywhere. The Carefrees on the pic look rather old
> for 1964. Does anyone remember how the original LP looked
> like? Is it the same?
That's the way the original 1964 London LP (US version) looked.
The group weren't all that young at the time they recorded. If
I recall, the eldest member was one of the guys, at 25. I'd have
to check the LP, though the ages should be on the liner notes of
your LP as well (on the reverse).
Fred Clemens
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:24:19 -0000
From: Tom K
Subject: Virginia Vee / 60s French Pop
Hi there. I just returned from a brief visit to gay Paree,
and while scouring a shop near the Sorbonne I took a chance
on an interesting-looking disc, namely this 1969 Polydor France
release: Virginia Vee - "I Can't See Nobody" c/w a song called
"Boum Boum Boum". The A-side is written by B. M. and R. Gibb
(those ones, right?) and the B-side, which incidentally is
sung in French, is by J.C. Olivier and R. Valade. No idea who
those are, but as far as I can tell with my high-school French,
it was produced by Claude Ebrard for the Robert Stigwood
Organization France (!) and recorded at IBC Studios by (possibly,
it refers to his job as "prise du son"?) by Mike Leander, while
arrangements and production are by Jimmy Horowitz.
I'm pretty confused by the credits, but the record itself has
a glorious mid-tempo 'blue eyed soul' feeling on both sides.
Vocally, she sounds American or British rather than European,
and looks black or mixed-race on the sleeve. Just wondered does
anyone know anything else about this artist or record? I can
scan the picture sleeve or rip the song to Musica if it hasn't
officially been released on CD.
And just out of interest, does anyone know of any books or
substantial magazine articles written about the French ye-ye
and pop scene of the 1960s? I'm strongly considering writing
one, and would like some pointers on research or indicators
of whether anyone would be interested.
Au revoir,
Tom K
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:37:51 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: The Candymen
Bob Rashkow:
> "Georgia Pines" by The Candymen
I loved that record and knew a couple of members of the group.
I think Rodney Justo was the singer, but that's been a good
while ago. He used to hang out with B.J. Thomas and me on the
road in the early to mid 70s. Rodney was 'odd' but a lot of fun.
Austin R.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:58:35 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Industry insights
Bob Rashkow:
> And Austin R., it all paid off, didn't it?! All those years of
> penning, then a singing career, and it was all for the love of
> the music and that "creative energy" that as you mentioned is
> so lacking now in the industry. I look forward to hearing more
> of these great insights and happy memories from the people who
> made my favorite music in the whole world happen.
Hey Bobster,
Yes,in the long run it certainly did pay off. I love songwriting
and figure we got paid well to do something a lot of us would have
probably done for nothing if we could afford to live. Most of the
writers, artists and producers that I know are prone to 'venting'
every once in a while, when we see things in the business that
aren't as we would like them to be, having seen much more exciting
(creative) times. But it's still a great way to spend your time, so
please don't take my one (though there may be more) vent too seriously.
Feels good to let fly sometimes.
I truly enjoy talking to the people in spectropop. We all seem to
teach each other the good things about the records and periods in
which they were made. Always the best,
Austin R.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:57:54 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: P.J.Proby / Peter James
There was some discussion recently over whether P.J. Proby ever
recorded as Peter James....P.J. is now managed by a guy on the
Welsh Coast....I asked him to check out the rumour - he e-mails
back to say categorically P.J. Proby never did record as Peter James.
Best,
Austin P.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:08:10 -0000
From: Alan Ackerman
Subject: On Broadway
Maybe the sound of that musical era (pre-Beatles) would be rightly
termed the Broadway Sound. Let's not forget 1841 Broadway, home
of Atlantic Records and Bob Crewe Productions. There were other
tunemakers on that street, I'm sure, but my memory is fading.
Concerns 1619 Bway, it got its reputation from the many old-line
standards music publishers that operated there in the 30s. But,
1650 gets my vote 'cuz Aldon Music was there. That fact alone
clinches it.
"they say there's always magic in the air"
Alan Ackerman
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:09:39 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: You're no good
Frank wrote concerning Dee Dee Warwick:
> Two years I discovered her original version of You're no Good
> to add to my Betty Everett, Swinfging Blue Jeans and Linda Ronstadt
> copies. It's brilliant.
But please don't forget Barbara West's sublime version on
Ronn Records out of Louisiana.
Peter
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:00:14 +0100
From: Joe Foster
Subject: Re: What's It All About . . .
Frank Murphy:
> Dionne Warwick was upset with Cher's Alfie being the official
> version used for the movie soundtrack. That was the official
> US release; in the UK we had Cilla Black singing the title tune.
> I gather Alfie is being remade. I'm sure there was a sequel some
> time ago.
I remember it, sadly...it starred, of all unlikely people,
Alan Price... and was absolutely dreadful in every way....
as I'm sure the remake will be....
Joe
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:11:04 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: The Epic Splendor
Bob Rashkow:
> Hot Biscuit Disc Company brought us The Epic Splendor,
> which I haven't heard since December 1967...
Mainly because they started as a studio act, specifically formed
to record "A Little Rain Must Fall". They followed up with a cover
of the Smoke's "It Could Be Wonderful" which flopped, and that was
the last anyone heard of them. No LP, although it may have been part
of the plan as producer John Boylan told me there were stereo mixes
of all the single tracks.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:07:24 -0400
From: Kevin Kern
Subject: Re: Myddle Class playing at Musica
Don H. wrote:
> Goffin/King-penned Myddle Class track playing at Musica.
> I got this song on a rare demo disc. There were no
> liner notes, just a list of song titles without artists.
> Most of them were Carole King, but I have to assume
> this one was the Myddle Class. Listen for yourself.
The vocals are surely them, and the organ/guitar
instrumentation sounds just like "Lovin' Season" or
"Wind Chime Laughter". Don, if you keep digging up
new Myddle Class songs, we'll have to ask you to
compile a box set for Rhino or something.
Thanks for the song,
Kevin
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:16:12 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Alfie
Rob:
> Cilla Black's version (I'm told) is used in the U.K.
> version of the movie, Cher's for U.S. Don't know if
> there's two different DVD's of "Alfie" or not, but
> Cher's version is on the DVD here in the U.S.
If any UK S'popper has the DVD of Alfie they may care to confirm
that it is the Cher version of the title song that appears on the
disc. I gather Cilla's version was not on the UK DVD reissue. Even
on BBC TV the versions of films such as Alfie tend to be bought in
from American distributors and are usually the US releases.
FrankM
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:25:21 -0000
From: Andres Jurak
Subject: Ringo records - one more question
Mikey:
> Has anyone mentioned The Standells "Do The Ringo"??
> They did this song on "The Munsters" (but there is talk over)
> and I've tried for 30 years to get a "clean" copy, but I don't
> think this ever made it to 45.
Yes Mikey, I have this show on DVD. It is Episode # 26 to be exact,
called Far Out Munsters, first aired 03/18/65. The Standells did
two songs, the second being a cover of "I Want To Hold Your Hand".
The first one was a song called, depending on various sources,
"Come On And Ringo" or "Do The Ringo" or "Let's Do the Ringo" or
"Everybody Do the Ringo". A catchy, typical mid 60's pop effort
obviously designed to cash in on rampant Beatlemania. It seems
that the full recording of the song is nowhere to be found. The
discographies out there indicate nothing that sounds close (although
there's a 1964 single on Liberty called "Peppermint Beatles", but
I'd bet that isn't it).
So maybe the Standells have done it just for the show, or was it
a canned track sitting in Liberty, MGM or Vee Jay's vault? There
was a Standells rarities disc out a few years ago, with no mention
of "Do The Ringo". Was it a throwaway? Was it even copyrighted????!!!!
Questions, questions... But there are so many people on the planet,
somebody might know...
Andres Jurak
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:55:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lex Cody
Subject: Re: Brill Building
Al Kooper:
> Shoulda been called the "1650 Sound," for true accuracy.
Woodstock happened in Bethel.......
60 miles west of the Catskill Hamlet of Woodstock, from which,
despite turning the promoters down, the festival gets its name.
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