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There are 23 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Ronnie Dove / Diamond masters
From: Austin Roberts
2. Re: Crow / Amaret
From: Austin Roberts
3. Re: The Magic Lanterns
From: Scott Swanson
4. Nervous Norvus!
From: ModGirl
5. Re: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas?? / Associated Studios
From: Ian Slater
6. Re: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas??
From: Austin Roberts
7. Re: The Magic Lanterns / Magic Lantern
From: Billy G. Spradlin
8. Re: French Ye-Ye
From: Dave Heasman
9. Re: Beach Music
From: Rat Pfink
10. Re: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern
From: Andy
11. Re: The Candymen
From: Michael
12. Re: Diamond masters
From: Tom
13. Re: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern
From: Rat Pfink
14. Re: French Ye-Ye
From: Norm D.
15. thanks to all
From: Mac Joseph
16. Checkmates CD release
From: David Bell
17. Brian Wilson on Larry King
From: Jens Koch
18. Re: The Candymen
From: superoldies
19. Re: Larry Bright
From: Country Paul
20. Re: ain't it cool
From: Karen Andrew
21. Re: Ronnie Dove
From: Tom Stereoldies
22. Re: Crow
From: James Holvay
23. Beach Boys music heads to Broadway
From: Karen Andrew
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:22:13 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove / Diamond masters
Dear Tom and Joe,
Though I had a song cut with Ronnie Dove years ago, I am of no help.
I once tried to get a copy of the cut (which song escapes me, my mind
is like a prison with no walls much of the time) but couldn't locate
Ronnie,let alone the record.
Sorry, Austin 'Mr. Memory' Roberts
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:17:02 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Crow / Amaret
Mac Joseph:
> I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group Crow.
> As far as I can remember, they only had one US chart hit: "Evil Woman
> (Don't Play Your Games With Me)", circa 1969. If someone could tell
> me if this song is available, either on a greatest hits or a
> compilation, I would appreciate it. And also, if anyone could tell me
> about the band -- where they come from, what happened to them, etc.
Hey Mac, I think the label for Evil Woman etc. (Crow) was Amaret, out
of LA. Don't know where the group hailed from. I sold a record to
Ameret (Kenny something owned the label) under another name. Because I
was signed to another label at the time, I found another singer who
looked like a model (Richie something) and could sing a bit, and passed
him off as the artist (Amaret knew). Unfortunately, the label had a big
'to do' to introduce the first single and the artist to the jocks and
public. Richie had done well in rehearsal but when he got on stage he
froze, then screamed, then he cried, then hauled ass. Great! Though
I felt bad for him, needless to say, there was no more Richie (the
screamer) on Amaret.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:26:03 -0700
From: Scott Swanson
Subject: Re: The Magic Lanterns
Previously:
> And lastly, I heard a story that the Magic Lantern, who did "Shame,
> Shame", was actually the brainchild of John Paul Jones of Led
> Zeppelin and produced by him. That song came out the same time
> as "Evil Woman". Can somebody shed some light on this for me?
A brief history of The Magic Lanterns (with an "s"):
They formed in the Warrington/St. Helens areas of the UK as The Sabres
(no relation to Denny Seyton & The Sabres OR the Godley & Creme Sabres),
changing their name to The Magic Lanterns in 1966. The original lineup
was:
Jimmy Bilsbury (vocals, keyboards)
Peter "Coco" Shoesmith (guitar)
Ian Moncur (bass)
Allan Wilson (drums)
Their first 45 -- a version of Artie Wayne's "Excuse Me Baby" -- was a
minor UK hit in 1966, but 4 subsequent 45s (and an LP) failed to
chart. Moncur quit the group in late 1968, followed by Shoesmith and
Wilson. Their replacements were Mike "Oz" Osbourne (vocals, bass), Bev
Beverage (guitar, vocals), Peter Garner (guitar, vocals), and Harry Paul
Ward (drums, vocals). "Oz Osbourne" is no relation to Ozzy Osbourne,
nor was he related to the "Oz Osbourne" in the '70s metal band Coven.
Meanwhile, Steve Rowland came on board to be their producer, and here's
where John Paul Jones comes into the picture -- Rowland hired Jones to
arrange 4 tracks on their 1969 US-only LP "Shame Shame" (including the
title track, which was a minor hit in America).
Albert Hammond was briefly a member of the band c. 1970, contributing to
the "One Night Stand" LP. I've read that this was done by a completely
different band......although Hammond *did* have a strong connection to
Steve Rowland at the time.
Anyway, the band finally called it quits in 1972. Bilsbury went on to
sing with the Les Humphries Singers.
Hope this helps,
Scott
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:57:49 -0000
From: ModGirl
Subject: Nervous Norvus!
Hey all you real gone cats out there -- you know who you are -- at
long last!
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Az2cm96hokep5
There's a slow-pokin' daddy, gonna pass 'im on the right,
ModGirl
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:33:19 +0100
From: Ian Slater
Subject: Re: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas?? / Associated Studios
Mike Rashkow said about Associated Studios:
> Best little mono to mono to mono to mono to mono demos in NYC.
> Bet the label is blue and white.
Yes - it is indeed! Can supply a scan if it helps. Anyone recognize
the voice on the track now playing @ musica - is it Don Thomas?
Ian Slater
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:38:42 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas??
Mick Patrick:
> Details are: "Don't Gimme No Lip Child", written by Don Thomas,
> Jean Thomas and Barry Richards.
Ian Slater:
> Thanks for the queue, Mick! I've uploaded the track and would be
> pleased if anyone can identify the voice. All I can add to Mick's
> info is from the label which is from Associated Recording Studios
> of 723 Seventh Avenue at 48th Street. Any ideas? Over to you folks.
All I can add is, if it's the same Barry Richards, he's writing a
musical with Bobby Hart in LA.
Austin R.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:34:02 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: The Magic Lanterns / Magic Lantern
Previously:
> I've often heard stories about the 68 Magic Lanterns. Ozzy Osborne's
> group.
Too many people have gotten that rumor mixed up (Collectables records
take a bow) - The Lanterns had a bass player by the name of Mike "Ozzy"
Osborne, not the same guy.
As for John Paul Jones - who knows? The bass on the stereo version
of "Shame Shame" is mixed right up front and center and sounds great,
and I wonder who's playing that hot slide guitar?
Billy
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:08:05 +0100
From: Dave Heasman
Subject: Re: French Ye-Ye
Julio:
> ... Jean Marie was the official photographer of "Salut Les Copains",
> a sixties pop TV program in France, and his pictures help to
> configurate aesthetically the style of French pop.
Eddy:
> Don't forget that Salut Les Copains was also, and almost of equal
> importance, a French magazine, covering almost exclusively French
> artists.
Don't forget that Salut Les Copains was also a radio program.
I used to listen to it every day. Heard "Don't Think Twice It's
Alright" there in 63. Couldn't believe it. Worldchanging.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:09:35 -0400
From: Rat Pfink
Subject: Re: Beach Music
Mikey wrote:
> Another great Beach Music song is "You're More Than A Number
> In My Little Black Book" by The Drifters. Hard to find on CD,
> but great tune!
Shouldn't that be "You're More Than A Number In My Little
*Red* Book"?
It's on the "Definitive Drifters" CD:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000996AT/
RP
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:22:14 -0000
From: Andy
Subject: Re: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern
Max Weiner:
> I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group
> Crow. If someone could tell me if this song is available,
> either on a greatest hits or a compilation.
Better yet, the group is back in the studio and they are selling
the "best of CD" on their web site, http://www.crowtheband.com
andy
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:56:28 -0000
From: Michael
Subject: Re: The Candymen
Phil Milstein:
> Wasn't The Candymen the name of Roy Orbison's backing group?
> If so, was it a different Candymen than the one that turned
> into ARS?
Al Kooper:
> Candymen began by backing Orbison, Then recorded by themselves
> and evolved into ARS. Hourglass became Allmans from Florida to
> LA. Only common ground was red clay of Georgia later on.
Weren't the ARS previously The Classics IV?
Michael
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:13:44 -0000
From: Tom
Subject: Re: Diamond masters
Mikey wrote:
> From what I'm told, a lot of the Diamond Records masters were
> lost in a fire around 1973.
Al Kooper:
> Collectables put the Loop De Loop Johnny Thunder album out on CD a
> coupla years ago. Although with them you can never tell the source.
The Collectables CD on Johnny Thunder (which is a greatest hits
package, not a straight reissue of his Loop De Loop album, from
what I can tell), is all mono and I'm told it was mastered from
mono records with some scratches evident on some songs...I don't
have the CD, though, however a friend of mine is sending me a dub
of the stereo Loop De Loop LP.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:17:40 -0400
From: Rat Pfink
Subject: Re: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern
Max Weiner:
> I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group
> Crow. As far as I can remember, they only had one US chart hit:
> "Evil Woman (Don't Play Your Games With Me)", circa 1969.
There was a "Best of Crow" CD that's now out of print, and
it also appeared on a Sony various artist compilation called
"Godfathers of Grunge", also OOP. If that's the only song of
theirs that you're looking for I think the Sony comp is much
easier to find than the "Best of Crow" CD.
RP
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:01:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Norm D.
Subject: Re: French Ye-Ye
Dave Heasman wrote:
> Don't forget that Salut Les Copains was also a radio program.
> I used to listen to it every day. Heard "Don't Think Twice It's
> Alright" there in 63. Couldn't believe it. Worldchanging.
Ain't that peculiar! Exactly my experience; same song, too. I thought
it was some old hillbilly geezer with no teeth doing a version of the
Peter, Paul & Mary song. I loved it.
Radio choice in the UK was so limited in the early '60s. European
radio offered some salvation. Salut Les Copains, I remember,
played a lot of rather dire French covers of R&B and R&R songs –
Eddie Cochran's "Something Else" and varieties of "What'd I Say"
turned up frequently. But it also played lots of US obscurities (as
Dylan then was) and other oddities I heard a couple of times then,
and never since. One that stands out is a version of "Bony Maronie"
in the style of The Rooftop Singers; another was a gospel-y R&B
song (a la Don Gardner & Dee Dee Ford) with the line, "Black
pepper will make you sneeze". Can any S'poppers help me
identify these?
So there I was in the early 1960s, tuning into poor-reception French
radio stations, thinking I was unique ... and there were probably
thousands of us!
Ye Ye!!
Norm D.
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mac Joseph
Subject: thanks to all
This is just to thank everyone for the response I got on my question about
Crow and The Magic Lanterns. I never expected to get such a response.
I am still relatively new to this group, and every day I learn something new
about the music I grew up with and love.
Anyway, thanks again folks!
Mac
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:27:41 -0000
From: David Bell
Subject: Checkmates CD release
I've just come across this piece of news on the Hip-O site, and thought
that memebers might be interested in this (somewhat expensive) CD:
http://www.hip-oselect.com/catalogue_checkmates.asp
David.
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:15:51 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Brian Wilson on Larry King
The Brian Wilson/Larry King interview has again been rescheduled
and is now scheduled for this Friday, August 13.
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:14:58 -0000
From: superoldies
Subject: Re: The Candymen
previously:
> Weren't the ARS previously The Classics IV?
Only certain members on Yost's last Imperial release "Song". Although
the members on the "Song" photos are the same as who were on tour and
on TV, they did not appear on the LP, for some reason. By this time, Lowery
Music was pretty much using what would become ARS on most of their
productions, including those by Billy Joe Royal, Tommy Roe, etc. Add and
switch a few members & it would become ARS, hence the name.
Candymen musicians Bill Gilmore and Robert Nix wrote "Cherryhill Park"
for Royal, and Gilmore penned "Party Girl" for Roe, as well as tracks for
Jay & The Americans.
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:02:25 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Re: Larry Bright
Me, earlier:
> What's the story behind [Larry Bright], please?
Gary Myers:
> Well, the story is the one I did for Goldmine around 1990....
> Actually, I also reviewed all the L. Bright records that I had
> at the time, but GM didn't use that adition to the story. I can
> probably send that to you off-list, if you'd like it.
Which issue of Goldmine from 1990? I've got a bunch of them
downstairs....
Country Paul
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:53:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Andrew
Subject: Re: ain't it cool
Austin Roberts wrote:
> What's great about Spectropop is the vast amout of knowledge that
> its members possess. They know more, in some ways, than those of
> us that made and still try to make music that people will like and feel
> close too.
It sure is cool! I'm not a musician, songwriter, producer, etc. but I love
this stuff! I so appreciate all the info. and stories all of you have provided.
Now, I even listen closer to the songs. And, (I'm so behind in this e-mail)
tonight I read the e-mail on Scopitones and went to that website. Here
is something new I've never heard of! How fun and educational this
Spectropop is!
Thanks to all of you!
Karen
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:16:46 -0000
From: Tom Stereoldies
Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove
Joe Nelson wrote:
> He apparently just put the CDs together himself, to have something
> to sell and give the fans something to buy. He has a turntable, but no
> reel-to-reel deck capable of playing the tapes. From what you've told
> me privately, he doesn't consider these CDs to be major releases.
Well he makes enough money on the CD releases to not need to improve
their sound quality. His producer appears to have multitrack player access,
though, and I know he doesn't put the Collectables CDs together (but I'd
like to kick the guy who does) from sources Ronnie provides (cassette
tapes, ugh), but does have one CD with 5 new songs and 11 or so older
songs that he put out himself, from various sources, including either master
tapes or unreleased acetates that he had at his house for some songs.
Tom
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:16:52 -0700
From: James Holvay
Subject: Re: Crow
Mac Joseph wrote:
> I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group Crow.
Crow was an opening act for The Mob on a few one-nighters in the
midwest. They were not a horn group at the time. Their instrumentation
consisted of two guitars, bass, drums & B3. They were based out of
Chicago, but were not orginally from there. My friend, Bob Moncaco
produced "Evil Woman" and later went on to produce Rufus, Carl
Carlton, etc.
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:55:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Andrew
Subject: Beach Boys music heads to Broadway
from Chicago Sun-Times (http://tinyurl.com/5m2lm):
'Good Vibrations' to Bring 'Fun, Fun, Fun' to Broadway
Surf's up! 'Good Vibrations', a new musical using more than 30 Beach Boys
songs, will open on Broadway in January.
The show, which doesn't tell the story of the famous '60s singing group, will
begin preview performances in early December at the Eugene O'Neill
Theatre. An opening date will be announced shortly.
'Good Vibrations' has a book by Richard Dresser and concerns a group of
small-town teens who come to Southern California. It will be directed and
choreographed by John Carrafa, who created the dance sequences for
'Urinetown' and the Vanessa Williams revival of 'Into The Woods'.
Among the songs expected to be used in the show are Beach Boys classics
"Good Vibrations", "Fun, Fun, Fun", "California Girls", "Help Me, Rhonda",
"Surf City", "Surfer Girl" and "Surfin' Safari".
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