Spectropop - Digest Number 1603

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• Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004

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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: You're No Good
           From: Alan Warner 
      2. Beach Music; Robert John, Bill Cosby
           From: Country Paul 
      3. Don Ciccone
           From: Gary Myers 
      4. Re: Dewey Martin
           From: Eddy 
      5. Emjays / 4J Records
           From: Austin Powell 
      6. Re: Magic Lanterns
           From: Artie Wayne 
      7. Where Does A R&R Singer Go? on Liberty Records
           From: Frankie Bee 
      8. Black Pepper
           From: Gary Myers 
      9. Without you folks ...
           From: Austin Roberts 
     10. Re: Four J's
           From: Mikey 
     11. Re: Don Ciccone/Gallucci
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     12. Re: New Beach Boys musical
           From: Bill George 
     13. Re: Pat Hunt
           From: Mick Patrick 
     14. Little Joe Cook / Betty Harris
           From: Chris Stovall Brown 
     15. Pat Powdrill
           From: Mikey 
     16. Where is Ralph Lizano aka Ralph London? (Mystics etc.)
           From: Frankie Bee 
     17. Re: Where Does A R&R Singer Go? on Liberty Records
           From: Rat Pfink 
     18. Hello
           From: Simon Bridger 
     19. Re: Where Does A R&R Singer Go? on Liberty Records
           From: Mikey 
     20. The Four J's
           From: Davie Gordon 


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:55:23 -0700
   From: Alan Warner 
Subject: Re: You're No Good

Frank wrote, re Dee Dee Warwick:
> Two years I discovered her original version of You're No Good to add 
> to my Betty Everett, Swinging Blue Jeans and Linda Ronstadt copies. 
> It's brilliant.

Peter Lerner wrote:
> But please don't forget Barbara West's sublime version on Ronn 
> Records, out of Louisiana.

Bill George:
> And now you can add to the list Wilson Phillips, from their new disc 
> of covers, "California." 

Elvis Costello and Reba McEntire also separately recorded fine versions 
of this ballad;  in addition, despite at least two British chart books
incorrectly claiming that it's a different song to the one recorded by 
The Swinging Blue Jeans, there was a really neat UK hit revival of it 
in 1995 by local reggae band Aswad. 

YOU'RE NO GOOD was written by Clint Ballard Jr. whose other best-selling
compositions include THE GAME OF LOVE (a 1965 transatlantic smash for
Wayne Fontana & The Mindbenders), GOOD TIMIN' (Jimmy Jones's 1960 
follow-up hit to "Handy Man") and I'M ALIVE, which struck UK chart-topping 
gold for The Hollies in '65.

Rock on!

Alan Warner



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Message: 2         
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:36:53 -0400
   From: Country Paul 
Subject: Beach Music; Robert John, Bill Cosby

Austin Roberts:
> For the first time in my life I have songs (2) that I wrote, on the
> Beach Charts and it makes me proud....It's a terrific kind of music
> that still has it's niche in several areas of the country, and I'm
> glad I grew up with it as well as country, blues, rock and pop
> (I consider Beach Music as pop as far as most of it's hits go...
> [M]any of the same musicians that played and sang this music in the
> 60's, are still playing it as well as making a living doing so,
> which brings me back to Loyalty; loyal fans.

Beach music still finds its way on to the radio, too. The best station 
on the Outer Banks of NC, WVOD (www.wvod.com), "The Sound," still 
maintains a 3-hour beach music show Sunday afternoons from 5-8pm. (No 
streaming audio here, unfortunately). Steve Jarrell mentioned Willie C's 
Beach Music Cafe; it's a Live365 stream sound at http://tinyurl.com/5ncam 
(it was #46 on the scroll when I looked it up for this). It's pretty cool 
that you came up with beach music, Austin; I was a late discoverer, and 
am a total dilletante, but darn, it's fun!

And speaking as a fan and former radio DJ, we truly appreciate you guys 
who wrote and played our music, the hits and the misses - and the 
opportunity to pick your brains for the details of our faves, no matter 
how obscure. Thanks Austin, Steve, Artie, Al and everyone who is so 
willing to share your experiences and knowledge. (I know I'll be 
embarrased by who I left out...!)

To all re: Robert John: according to Marc Scott in the Front Porch 
interview here in S'pop, he is from Brooklyn, New York City, USA. There's 
a good bio at http://www.superseventies.com/sw_sadeyes.html

Paul Urbahns:
> My favorite Bill Cosby song, besides "Little Ole Man", is Grover
> Henson Feels Forgotten. It was on UNI and I don't think he ever
> did an album for them.

Actually, he did. The Bunions Bradford Band actually toured in 1970; I 
saw them play at that year's Newport Jazz festivalm and they were actually 
very good! The album is "Badfoot Brown and the Bunions Bradford Funeral 
and Marching Band (Uni)," composed of a few extended jams with Cosby on 
organ. Details on this and more at:
http://funky16corners.tripod.com/6_cosby1.htm.

Country Paul
(now caught up to last weekend)



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Message: 3         
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:53:48 -0700
   From: Gary Myers 
Subject: Don Ciccone

Bob Rashkow:
> ... wasn't Don Ciccone associated with them after he left Don and 
> the Goodtimes?

Ciccone was from the Critters and he later joined the Four Seasons. 
I think you mean a different "Don".

gem



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Message: 4         
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:42:59 +0200
   From: Eddy 
Subject: Re: Dewey Martin

Eddy wrote:
> these are the people who were at one point or another in the Candy 
> Men backing Orbison: Dewey Martin - drums...

Country Paul;
> Same Dewey Martin as in the Buffalo Springfield?

Yes, same Dewey Martin. Following his army discharge, he settled down 
in Nashville where he worked with people like Patsy Cline, Everly 
Brothers, Carl Perkins, Faron Young and Roy Orbison.

Eddy



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Message: 5         
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:55:06 +0100
   From: Austin Powell 
Subject: Emjays / 4J Records

Country Paul asked about the Emjays:

All I know is there were 3 guys and a girl...Mike Fox, Mike Love, Jimmy 
Curtis and Judy Lloyd.....I think the record issued on Top Rank in the 
UK was produced by Hal Webman....Maybe he owned the Greenwich label as 
he also produced the Chiefs under the same banner ???

Mick Patrick talked about the 4J label:

I always wondered where 4J was based....I have the one single that 
Fontana in Britain issued from 4J  in 1962, "My Wife Can't Cook" by 
Lonnie Russ, written by Gerald L. Russ and arranged and conducted by 
Ray (relation to Wayne ?) Shanklin......Gerald was obviously Lonnie, 
but was 4J owned by one of the Shanklins of Toni Fisher, "Big Hurt" 
fame ??

Have a great weekend everybody,
Austin P



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Message: 6         
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Artie Wayne 
Subject: Re: Magic Lanterns

Mac...How ya' doin'? I don't much about the Magic Lanterns, except for 
the hit I had with them in the U.K., "Excuse Me Baby" [Wayne], produced 
by Steve Rowland in 1966.

regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/



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Message: 7         
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:55:54 -0000
   From: Frankie Bee 
Subject: Where Does A R&R Singer Go? on Liberty Records

Dear "Feel-good-music" - lovers!
Years ago a good friend of mine gave me a tape with a wonderful 
song: Where does a R&R-Singer go? on Liberty Records. But my friend 
has forgotten to write the artists-name behind the title. To him 
label-names were more important. And because this friend is not a 
friend anymore, I hope, that you can help me with some info about 
this song.

Enjoy a wonderful weekend,

Frankie Bee



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Message: 8         
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:33:07 -0700
   From: Gary Myers 
Subject: Black Pepper

I haven't seen a response posted to the inquiry on who did "Black 
Pepper Make You Sneeze". I'm pretty sure that was Roy Lee Johnson.

gem



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Message: 9         
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:39:47 EDT
   From: Austin Roberts 
Subject: Without you folks ...

Country Paul writes:
> And speaking as a fan and former radio DJ, we truly appreciate you guys 
> who wrote and played our music, the hits and the misses - and the 
> opportunity to pick your brains for the details of our faves, no matter 
> how obscure. Thanks Austin, Steve, Artie, Al and everyone who is so 
> willing to share your experiences and knowledge. (I know I'll be 
> embarrased by who I left out...!)

I'm pretty sure I'm speaking for Al, Artie, Steve, and all the rest of 
us that have been in this business, when I say that anytime we're 
sharing stories and at the same time learning so many interesting facts 
from those who simply LOVE THE MUSIC, as we do, we're as happy as clams 
(whatever the hell that means exactly, though I know it's good).

Keep us thinking and we'll do the same, especially since you folks know 
so many things that we haven't experienced and we have a lot of stories 
of things we HAVE over the years. 

Along these lines, someone once told me an interesting fact; he said, if 
you don't have stuff that honors what fans have paid good money for 
(gold, platinum, grammies or whatever) on your walls, and you've been at 
it awhile,then you'd best find something else to do.

Bottom line, without you folks I'd definitely have to get a real job. I 
can't do anything else!

THANK YOU,  Austin Roberts



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Message: 10        
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:02:44 -0400
   From: Mikey 
Subject: Re: Four J's

Joe Peel:
> I do believe there were 2 groups of 'The Four J's". I have 2 45's.
> The 2 45's I have are by the white doo-wop group....but there are 
> 45's by a girl group from the mid 60's...that called themselves 
> the 4 j's. Also I have a 45 from 1969. That is a Brooklyn Bridge 
> soundalike...don't know....kind of confusing.....

Is one of your 45s "Here Am I"??

That's a great song.

Mikey



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Message: 11        
   Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:14:12 +0000
   From: Phil X Milstein 
Subject: Re: Don Ciccone/Gallucci

previously:
> ... wasn't Don Ciccone associated with them after he left Don and
> the Goodtimes?
 
Gary Myers wrote:
> Ciccone was from the Critters and he later joined the Four Seasons.
> I think you mean a different "Don".
 
That would be Don Gallucci, no doubt.

--Phil M.




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Message: 12        
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:30:29 EDT
   From: Bill George 
Subject: Re: New Beach Boys musical

I noticed while reading some casting notices today, that casting is 
taking place for a new musical using Beach Boys songs, called Good 
Vibrations. As all the characters are just out of high school I won't 
be auditioning, but you can check out the details at actorsequity.org 
under the audition notices.

Also, as I was walking in the rain today, what did I see but a paper 
plate with a slice of cake on it (and a fork). So I guess someone 
really did leave the cake out in the rain! And I always thought that 
was such a stupid lyric...

Bill



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Message: 13        
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:11:11 +0100
   From: Mick Patrick 
Subject: Re: Pat Hunt

Julio Niño:
> Seeing Pat (Hunt)'s name written makes me raise my ears like
> a wolf watching a lost little lamb. I only know one song by her,
> "You Are My First Love", but it is beautiful. Could somebody
> recommend me any similar tracks by her?.

What a nice record - kinda like the Marvelettes sing Ben E. King,
with a really lovely string arrangement and Pat sounding very
teenage. If anyone's interested, it can be found on the "Serious
Shades Of Soul" CD, a first rate collection. The CD also contains
the Sweethearts' "Beauty Is Just Skin Deep", written by Toni Wine
and Steve Venet - a must for girl group collectors. Find more info
here http://tinyurl.com/47ksd

I'm aware of just one more Pat Hunt track available on CD: "Super
Cool (You're Just Super Fool)" on "SuperFunk4". On this great 1967
track, first released on the Fantasy subsidiary Early Bird, she 
sounds remarkably like her cousin Brenda Holloway. It was produced
by Ray Shanklin. Find more info here http://tinyurl.com/53qoe and
here http://66.232.131.72/MoreInfo/CDBGPD160.html

Hey la,

Mick Patrick



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Message: 14        
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:39:06 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Chris Stovall Brown 
Subject: Little Joe Cook / Betty Harris

Hi all,

Frequent lurker, infrequent poster. Just an update
on Little Joe Cook. I played in a club last night
underneath where Joe was playing. Joe had a stroke a
couple of years back and his wife will only let him
play 2 nights a week at the Cantab (Central Square,
Cambridge). He still sounds great but no longer has
the Nutman Car. He's now driving a rather sedate black
Lincoln (I think it's a Lincoln).

Also a heads up that I've been working with 60's soul
legend-Betty Harris and she's getting ready to
re-appear in the music business. We're going into the
studio on Labor day to recut Cry To Me (Her 1963/70
hit on Jubilee) and we've co-written another tune that
we'll record that day.

All the best, Chris Stovall Brown



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Message: 15        
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:02:14 -0400
   From: Mikey 
Subject: Pat Powdrill

While I'm sure our resident expert Mick Patrick (Hi Mick) will know 
about this tune, this one I missed until now.

The song is "Happy Anniversary" by Pat Powdrill.

Holy Mackeral!!!  Is this the greatest Chiffons Sound A Like EVER?  
It's written, arranged, sung and produced in the Chiffons style, and 
probably would have been a big hit for the girls.

I wish I had the 45, (anybody?) but I found this on a Cd called "The 
Girl Group Sound - The Darlings of the 60s"  Vol 5. Does anyone know 
how many volumes they made of this?  I'm sure its a boot, but its a 
really nice series. Anybody else have these?

"Happy Aniversary" is a one great GG tune. I don't know how this 
wasn't a big hit.

Mikey



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Message: 16        
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:37:37 -0000
   From: Frankie Bee 
Subject: Where is Ralph Lizano aka Ralph London? (Mystics etc.)

Does anybody know more about the wonderful singer Ralph Lizano (London)? 
He was, next to Paul Simon, Jay Traynor and Phil Cracolicci, one of the 
lead-singers for the "Mystics". He sang lead on songs like "A sunday 
kind of love", "Again" and "Darling, I know now". There were also 2 
songs recorded by him under the name "Ralph London", "Someday" and 
"Lovely lovely girl", issued on the "Coed records Story" by Ace Records. 
In the booklet they write, that he was backed up by the "Duprees" ("You 
belong to me"). I've asked Phil Cracolicci, Jay Traynor, Al Contrera and 
Jimmy Gallagher - but nobody knows, where he is now. Can you help me?

Best wishes, Frankie Bee



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Message: 17        
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:21:46 -0400
   From: Rat Pfink 
Subject: Re: Where Does A R&R Singer Go? on Liberty Records

Frankie Bee wrote:
> Years ago a good friend of mine gave me a tape with a wonderful 
> song: Where does a R&R-Singer go? on Liberty Records. But my friend 
> has forgotten to write the artists-name behind the title. To him 
> label-names were more important. And because this friend is not a 
> friend anymore, I hope, that you can help me with some info about 
> this song.

I believe that was Artie Wayne (who is a member of this list.)

RP





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Message: 18        
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:22:59 +0100
   From: Simon Bridger 
Subject: Hello

Hello I'm new, Simon aged 36 form Brighton, UK.

Looking forward to hopefully contributing to the list.

Bye for now,

Simon



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Message: 19        
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:15:13 -0400
   From: Mikey 
Subject: Re: Where Does A R&R Singer Go? on Liberty Records

Frankie Bee wrote:
> Years ago a good friend of mine gave me a tape with a wonderful 
> song: Where does a R&R-Singer go? on Liberty Records. But my friend 
> has forgotten to write the artists-name behind the title. To him 
> label-names were more important. And because this friend is not a 
> friend anymore, I hope, that you can help me with some info about 
> this song.

Rat Pfink:
> I believe that was Artie Wayne (who is a member of this list.)

You can also get that song on Cd, on one of the "Teenage Dreams" Cd. 

Mikey



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Message: 20        
   Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:14:03 -0000
   From: Davie Gordon 
Subject: The Four J's

Mick, the info. on the group on 4-J amazed me - another early Brenda 
Holloway record I'd never heard of!

The Four J's on United Artists (1958), Herald (1958) and Jamie (1964) 
were a Philadelphia group who were also known as the Fabulous Four 
who were on Chancellor (1960-62) recording in their own right and 
doing backup work for Frankie Avalon and Fabian.

The line-up I have for them is:
Joe Pirollo
Jimmy Testa
Joseph Mollera
Bob Finizzo

Finizzo is better known as Bob Finiz, he produced the early records 
by Brenda and The Tabulations.

Davie



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