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There are 19 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The (Philadelphia) Four J's
From: Mikey
2. Re: Pat Powdrill
From: Doc Rock
3. Re: Black Pepper
From: Jeff Lemlich
4. Patty Duke to get her star on Hollywood Walk of Fame August 17, 2004
From: Louis Wendruck
5. Esperanza Encantada
From: Jeff Lemlich
6. Re: Pat Powdrill / Happy Anniversary
From: Julio Niño
7. Re: The Roemans
From: Michael Gessner
8. Hal Webman
From: Al Kooper
9. Better than any Grammy
From: Al Kooper
10. Re: Don Ciccone/Gallucci
From: Bob Rashkow
11. Four J's / Bob Finiz
From: Simon White
12. Re: Where Does A R&R Singer Go? on Liberty Records
From: Artie Wayne
13. Re: Patty Duke
From: Clark Besch
14. Re: Don Ciccone
From: Robert R. Radil
15. Re: Gimme Esperanza Encantada
From: Phil X Milstein
16. Re: Hal Webman
From: (That) Alan Gordon
17. Re: Bob Finiz
From: James Botticelli
18. Re: Don Ciccone
From: Gary Myers
19. Re: Better than any Grammy
From: Austin Roberts
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:56:09 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: The (Philadelphia) Four J's
Davie Gordon:
> Mick, the info. on the group on 4-J amazed me - another early Brenda
> Holloway record I'd never heard of!
>
> The Four J's on United Artists (1958), Herald (1958) and Jamie (1964)
> were a Philadelphia group who were also known as the Fabulous Four
> who were on Chancellor (1960-62) recording in their own right and
> doing backup work for Frankie Avalon and Fabian.
>
> The line-up I have for them is:
> Joe Pirollo
> Jimmy Testa
> Joseph Mollera
> Bob Finizzo
>
> Finizzo is better known as Bob Finiz, he produced the early records
> by Brenda and The Tabulations.
And I think "Here Am I" was their 1964 release on Jamie. GREAT Record!!!!
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:44:42 -0400
From: Doc Rock
Subject: Re: Pat Powdrill
Mikey:
> ... this one I missed until now. The song is "Happy Anniversary" by
> Pat Powdrill. Holy Mackeral!!! Is this the greatest Chiffons Sound
> A Like EVER? It's written, arranged, sung and produced in the
> Chiffons style, and probably would have been a big hit for the girls.
> I wish I had the 45, (anybody?) but I found this on a Cd called "The
> Girl Group Sound - The Darlings of the 60s" Vol 5. Does anyone know
> how many volumes they made of this? I'm sure its a boot, but its a
> really nice series. Anybody else have these?
My set goes up to Volume 9.
Doc
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:49:44 -0400
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Black Pepper
Gary Myers:
> I haven't seen a response posted to the inquiry on who did "Black
> Pepper Make You Sneeze". I'm pretty sure that was Roy Lee Johnson.
Gary is correct -- it was by Roy Lee Johnson, and came out on Okeh
7160. DJ copies came in a cool-looking promotional art sleeve.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:50:34 -0000
From: Louis Wendruck
Subject: Patty Duke to get her star on Hollywood Walk of Fame August 17, 2004
Does anyone remember Patty Duke?
Patty Duke will finally be getting her star on Hollywood Walk of
Fame on August 17, 2004 at 10:30 AM. She is a television ("The
Patty Duke Show") and movie actress ("Miracle Worker," "Billie"
and "Valley of the Dolls") as well as author ("Call Me Anna") and
singer ("Don't Just Stand There," "Funny Little Butterflies," "Say
Something Funny," "The World Is Watching Us") who had several
records in the 1960s, with a sound similar to Leslie Gore.
You can see some of her photos and records at the Patty Duke Fan
Page at http://surf.to/pattyduke
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:56:36 -0400
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Esperanza Encantada
Tom:
> After Diamond turned into Certron in 1971 and was bankrupt by 1972
> I have no idea where the tapes went after Aubrey Mayhew shut down
> the company. Maybe he still has the tapes, I don't know.
Speaking of Certron, does anyone know anything about a group on the
label called "Esperanza Encantada"? They were a bilingual male and
female soft rock group, which mixed originals with covers such as "If
I Were A Carpenter" and "Gimme Shelter". At times they remind me
of Free Design, although they're not quite in the same league. Any
info on them would be appreciated.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:38:05 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Re: Pat Powdrill / Happy Anniversary
Hola Everybody.
Mikey:
> ... this one I missed until now. The song is "Happy Anniversary" by
> Pat Powdrill. Holy Mackeral!!! Is this the greatest Chiffons Sound
> A Like EVER? It's written, arranged, sung and produced in the
> Chiffons style, and probably would have been a big hit for the girls.
> I wish I had the 45, (anybody?) ...
Hola Mikey. My partner always accuses me of domestic violence because
every year, for our anniversary, I force him to listen to Pat's
"Happy Anniversary". If you don't already know it, you sure will like
very much the gorgeous Ellie Greenwich's demo of the song, which is
included in a bootleg CD issued by Brilltone Records some years ago.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:07:27 -0400
From: Michael Gessner
Subject: Re: The Roemans
Re: The Roemans
When I was growing up in central FLA, I heard a terrific Bonner-Gordon
song called "When The Sun Shines In The Morning" by The Roemans (I
think on ABC-Paramount). Anyone else ever heard it? Can someone post
it to musica, please!
Thanks, M Gessner in PA.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:43:24 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Hal Webman
Previously:
> All I know is there were 3 guys and a girl...Mike Fox, Mike Love, Jimmy
> Curtis and Judy Lloyd.....I think the record issued on Top Rank in the
> UK was produced by Hal Webman....Maybe he owned the Greenwich label as
> he also produced the Chiefs under the same banner ???
I worked for Hal Webman in the early 60's. By then, he had no label. He's
still in 1650 B'way as we speak!! I visit him every now & then. Gotta be
in his 80's.
Al Kooper
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:56:06 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Better than any Grammy
Previously:
> ... someone once told me an interesting fact; he said, if you don't
> have stuff that honors what fans have paid good money for (gold,
> platinum, grammies or whatever) on your walls, and you've been at
> it awhile, then you'd best find something else to do.
I have some gold & platinum. I'm never gona get a Grammy or be in the
R&R Hall of Fame. This doesn't bother me in the slightest. When I was
putting together an anthology on me for SONY in 2001 (Rare & Well Done),
the writer of the liner notes asked if she could interview fellow
musicians to get their takes on me. I said it was fine with me figuring
she'd call the usual suspects. But I have to say, she called a lot of
people I didn't know and to have strangers say such nice things about
you; your peers, is better than any Grammy or Hall of Fame. I was
deeply moved and proud. No corruption was involved unlike the Hall Of
Shame and the slick Grammies. And it wasn't about $$$. 'Nuff said.
Al Kooper
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:02:58 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: Don Ciccone/Gallucci
Me previously:
> ... wasn't Don Ciccone associated with them after he left Don and
> the Goodtimes?
Gary Myers wrote:
> Ciccone was from the Critters and he later joined the Four Seasons.
> I think you mean a different "Don".
That would be Don Gallucci, no doubt.
Yes, Don Gallucci indeed, and thank you Phil and Gary for straightening
me out. My mind is mushier than ever. Now someone please tell me
which group Ciccone went with after he left the 4 Seasons--wasn't he
with a marginally successful power pop group in the early 7Ts or did he
just try a solo career after that? Bobster
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:50:55 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Four J's / Bob Finiz
Davie Gordon wrote:
> Mick, the info. on the Four J's on 4-J amazed me - another early
> Brenda Holloway record I'd never heard of!
Me too Mick - I think we need to know more!
> The Four J's on United Artists (1958), Herald (1958) and Jamie (1964)
> were also known as the Fabulous Four. The line-up I have for them is:
> Joe Pirollo, Jimmy Testa, Joseph Mollera and Bob Finizzo. Finizzo is
> better known as Bob Finiz...
I was wondering about Bob Finiz just yesterday - his name appears on so
many records and purely by coincidence on two recent purchases for me,
namely Frankie Love's "First Star" on Loma, which he arranged, and The
Village Callers' "When You're Gone", which he wrote, on the flip of
"Evil Ways" on Rampart. So, what's the S.P on Rob then?
Simon White
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Where Does A R&R Singer Go? on Liberty Records
Thanks......Mikey, that was my first single on Liberty...as a matter
of fact it was also my last!
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:34:34 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Patty Duke
Previously:
> You can see some of her photos and records at the Patty Duke Fan
> Page at http://surf.to/pattyduke
Does anyone remember Patty Duke?????? I LOVED Patty Duke growing
up. That TV show was great to watch every week. Loved the "Cousins"
theme too. I wish TVLand would show those shows again, but they were
black and white and probably Andy Griffith and Dick Van Dyke would
get ratings with BW shows on there. Her two or three singles were
pretty good, especially her hit, "Don't Just Stand There". Thru all
her trials and tribulations of her life, I am glad to hear this
news. She was certainly a star performer! Clark
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:40:18 -0000
From: Robert R. Radil
Subject: Re: Don Ciccone
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> Now someone please tell me which group Don Ciccone went with after
> he left the 4 Seasons--wasn't he with a marginally successful power
> pop group in the early 7Ts or did he just try a solo career after
> that?
I don't know how much my answer will help, but I'll try. He was with
the 4 Seasons in the mid 70s, playing bass and background vocals on
their hits, "Who Loves You" and "December 1963".
I met him back in the early 90s when he worked for a short time at a
radio station in NY state. When he left someone said he went to go
work on making jingles.
The following websites will supplement what little I remember.
http://www.donciccone.com/
http://www.musesmuse.com/art-terriann-manyseasons.html
http://www.tsimon.com/critters.htm
Bob Radil
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:26:25 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Gimme Esperanza Encantada
Jeff Lemlich wrote:
> Speaking of Certron, does anyone know anything about a group on the
> label called "Esperanza Encantada"? They were a bilingual male and
> female soft rock group, which mixed originals with covers such as "If
> I Were A Carpenter" and "Gimme Shelter". At times they remind me of
> Free Design, although they're not quite in the same league. Any info
> on them would be appreciated.
Any chance of playing the "Gimme Shelter" version to musica?
What were the two languages they sang in? (I'm guessing English and
Spanish, but wouldn't be surprised if one of them turned out to be
Portuguese instead.) Also, is Certron related to the (now defunct, I
believe) cassette manufacturer of that name, who sold their tapes, sans
boxes, at 3-for-79 cents? To be used only at the risk of your machine's
heads, by the way.
--Phil M.
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:10:06 -0700
From: (That) Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Hal Webman
When I was in my teens, I would take a few of my demos and go knocking
on doors at both the Brill Building and 1650 Broadway. One day I
stopped into the office of Hal Webman. He listened to my songs and
signed me up for 25 dollars a week, as a staff writer. It may sound like
a small fee to most, but to me it was the greatest. Hal Webman gave me
my start in the music business. I met some great songwriters there
including Al Kooper, Irwin Levine, Manny Curtis, Joe Meyer and many more.
I began to co-write songs with Ritchie Adams, Jimmy Woods and Jimmy
Curtis. Hal produced our demos and had Mike Appel play guitar on a
session when I also played drums. Mike asked me to play in his group Tex
and the Chex, which in turn became the Magicians, which led to signing
with Koppelman and Rubin and Garry Bonner and myself getting real
blessed writing for a lot of great acts. But NONE of it would be
possible if Hal Webman did not open his door and his heart to me.
I saw Hal and his lovely wife Belle at his home two weeks ago. He is 81
and going through some tough health issues. I told him over and over
again how much I loved him and that I shall forever be thankful for his
giving me my start in my professional life. So I`ll finish by saying it
once again I Love You Hal Webman, May God bless you and your family.
Best, That Alan
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:31:16 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Bob Finiz
Simon White wrote:
> I was wondering about Bob Finiz just yesterday - his name appears on
> so many records and purely by coincidence on two recent purchases for
> me, namely Frankie Love's "First Star" on Loma, which he arranged,
> and The Village Callers' "When You're Gone", which he wrote, on the
> flip of "Evil Ways" on Rampart. So, what's the S.P on Rob then?
I have never heard a word about him although his name seemed to
frequently come up on records on the Dionn label which I believe was
Philly based. Brenda & The Tabulations, The Ordells....Others I can't
recall, I'm sure. I'd be interested on what poppers may know about him
as well.
JB
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:29:01 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Don Ciccone
Bob Rashkow:
> Now someone please tell me which group Don Ciccone went with after
> he left the 4 Seasons--wasn't he with a marginally successful power
> pop group in the early 7Ts?
IIRC, it was the mid-70s when he was with the Seasons (around "Who
Loves You", etc.), so if you're correct (and if I'm correct!), that
would have to be between the Critters & the Seasons.
gem
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:43:34 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Better than any Grammy
Al Kooper:
> I have some gold & platinum. I'm never gona get a Grammy or be in
> the R&R Hall of Fame. This doesn't bother me in the slightest. When
> I was putting together an anthology on me for SONY in 2001 (Rare &
> Well Done), the writer of the liner notes asked if she could
> interview fellow musicians to get their takes on me. I said it was
> fine with me figuring she'd call the usual suspects. But I have to
> say, she called a lot of people I didn't know and to have strangers
> say such nice things about you; your peers, is better than any Grammy
> or Hall of Fame. I was deeply moved and proud. No corruption was
> involved unlike the Hall Of Shame and the slick Grammies. And it
> wasn't about $$$. 'Nuff said.
I stand accused, Al, but I promise you that Was Not a cocky statement;
it was mostly a thank you to the fans that make it possible for us to
do what we do. I will say this, my favorite awards were the Nashville
Songwriters Association International (ok, NSAI) awards (2) voted on
only by my fellow writers, and the Music City News Awards, voted on
only by the fans. I have to agree with you on the Grammies, Academy
Awards etc. etc. There are more award shows on TV these days than
situation comedies.
The meal still stands.
AR
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