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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Steve Duboff & Artie Kornfeld
From: Gary Myers
2. Re: Brian Wilson in NYC
From: Susan
3. Re: Glen Campbell
From: Robert
4. Bunker Hill article; Universal Soldier; Clemson r&b archive
From: Country Paul
5. Re: Robin Ward's "Wonderful Summer"
From: Jim Fisher
6. Ben Light
From: Rex Strother
7. Auger/Driscoll
From: Al Kooper
8. Re: Sampling
From: Stu Phillips
9. Gillian Hills / Evie Sands.
From: Julio Niño
10. Billy Davis, R.I.P.
From: Mick Patrick
11. Re: Billy Davis, R.I.P.
From: James Holvay
12. Re: Donald Leslie / sampling legal issues
From: Various
13. Re: This year Christmas comes earlier
From: Various
14. Re: Billy Davis, R.I.P.
From: Mark Frumento
15. Re: The Frank Guida Sound
From: Mike Rashkow
16. Re: Promo Men - David Anderle
From: Jens Koch
17. Re: The Mouse Sleeps (Uneasy) Tonight
From: Norm D. Plume
18. Re: Hide and Seek
From: Jeff Lemlich
19. Re: Laura's Ron Dante interview
From: Eddy
20. Glen Campbell / The Cowsills
From: Peter Lerner
21. Re: Kingmen's "Louie Louie"
From: Mikey
22. Re: Gillian Hills
From: Frank
23. Re: The Frank Guida Sound
From: Frank
24. Me and Pat Benatar
From: Ron Dante
25. Steve Duboff
From: S'pop Projects
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:18:40 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Steve Duboff & Artie Kornfeld
Bob Rashkow:
> I believe Kornfeld & Duboff were responsible for The Toy Factory
> (Jubilee)'s happy sunshine-popper "Sunny Sunny Feeling" ...
This was actually the Next Five, another Milwaukee band covered in
my book.
Gary Myers / MusicGem
http://home.earthlink.net/~gem777/
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:25:05 EDT
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Brian Wilson in NYC
Country Paul writes:
> My wife and I got tickets for the Wednesday October 13 Brian Wilson
> show at Carnegie Hall in NYC. Anyone else planning on hitting that
> one?
With apologies to the Jackson 5, I'll Be There.
Susan
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 03:26:20 -0000
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Glen Campbell
Previously:
> Guess I'm Dumb is about as perfect as '60s pop gets. With an amazing
> vocal by Glen, and production by Brian Wilson, this single should have
> been a huge hit.
> Apparently Glen has recorded a new version of Guess I'm Dumb
> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3080184
> - as to whether Brian Wilson's services were required again ... I
> doubt it or we would have heard about it.
I sound sampled that CD through another outlet and they're all original
recordings. Tower's info is wrong. And what I said was I wish Brian
Wilson would have produced a whole album for Glen. We all know that
didn't happen.
Rob
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 00:44:56 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Bunker Hill article; Universal Soldier; Clemson r&b archive
Phil Milstein:
> For more on Bunker Hill have a look at:
> http://koti.mbnet.fi/wdd/bunkerhillbio.htm
It got the site to open for me tonight - what an article! (There's
something about a Finnish guy trying to write "jive"....) Great info
and some neat pix.
Ken Silverwood:
> Don't forget Glen's version of "Universal Soldier", did he do his
> before Donovan? Am I right in thinking it was composed by Buffy
> St Marie as I don't have a 45 of it?
I think Donovan's came first. His single version of it was the follow-
up to "Catch The Wind," released in the US on Hickory. Buffy Sainte
Marie was indeed the song's author.
I mentioned http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~campber/mclin.html in relation
to "Jambo" by Claude Mclin. Davie added:
> That's a small part of an incredible site devoted to fifties R&B -
> incredibly detailed stuff from some of the best researchers around.
Indeed! Leaving off from "mclin" afterward gets you to an amazing site!
And S'pop's own Gary Myers is also cited in the article on Aristrocrat
Records, the forerunner of Chess, which I just got lost in for the past
40 minutes.
Country Paul
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:50:54 -0700
From: Jim Fisher
Subject: Re: Robin Ward's "Wonderful Summer"
Re: Wonderful Summer.
Thanks to some help from Spectropoppers I've got my copy of Robin
Ward's classic--great. ..and by strange coincidence two days after I
received it I stopped at a garage sale and the lady had a box of old
records..a bunch of pretty ratty LPs AND a few 45s--one of them being:
yep, a Dot pressing--45-16530 MB18348 of WS! It also has "9-63"
printed just below the credits---is this the release date? With the
original Dot paper sleeve. Life Imitates Art or something like that.
Backed with "Dream Boy". It evens plays pretty well. Paul Urbahn asked
about the stereo/mono issue..this copy doesn't actually say stereo or
mono on the disk, it's got "Ultra High Fidelty" across the top, but I
think it's mono (my 45 player is staggeringly horrible with one built-
in speaker) and it does have the surf sounds. The 45s were 25cents a
piece so I splurged and bought them all, the others being Glen
Campbell/Bobby Freeman and Dick & Deedee...they're now free for the
taking by any listers to thank for the tips on getting WS.
Best, Jim.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:52:39 -0600
From: Rex Strother
Subject: Ben Light
I'm doing some research on Ben Light, an instrumental pianist who did
"party records" in the late 30s, then seems to have wound up on the
Tempo label, and then on to Capitol where he had a number of records
and a few LPs. Does anyone have any bio, photos, discography, that they
could send me (offlist)? I'd really appreciate it. I know this is out
of the date range, but you guys are the s**t when it comes to detail.
I'm hoping someone here has an odd "Jones" for Ben Light.
Rex Strother
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:47:10 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Auger/Driscoll
Me:
> ... the famous Brian Auger-Julie Driscoll album ...
> But ... which one? Open? Streetnoise? Jools and Brian (later
> retitled If Your Memory Serves You Well -- one of the tracks was
> Dylan's Wheels on Fire)? There's a world of difference -- they
> cover the gamut from sublime to awful.
When I was in England buying those LPs, every shop on Carnaby Street
and every boutique on Kings Road was playing that record. It had
Season Of The Witch on it (that's where I got it from) and Wheels On
Fire. It was 1968.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:54:53 -0000
From: Stu Phillips
Subject: Re: Sampling
To follow up on Phil Milstein's post about sampling, I can add one
other aspect. Having had my music (Knight Rider... Battlestar Galactica)
sampled by the likes of Busta Rhymes... Timbaland & Magoo... Panjabi MC
with Jay-Z and The Beastie Boys, three of those hit records, I can add
this. All of these were properly licensed but, on two of those records,
three to four additional writers were added to the credits of Stu
Phillips and Glen Larson. In other words, they made the split of the
writing credits 6 ways instead of perhaps three. It is not unusual for
groups to put everyone's name on a song so that peace and harmony can
reign within the group. However, when you use someone else's piece of
music, you might think that would avoid this. Oh well... c'est la vie.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 22:52:47 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Gillian Hills / Evie Sands.
Hola Everybody.
Will Stos wrote:
> ... But "Tomorrow Is Another Day," by Gillian Hills, absolutely makes
> me melt! I think she has such a beautiful voice. Is this track a good
> representation of her other recordings, and can anyone recommend a
> collection of her songs on CD or any other good comps with her songs?
Will, There is a very interesting compilation of Gillian Hills issued
by the French label "Magic records". It's avaliable at:
http://www.amazon.fr
I'm enjoying the first signs of autumn, playing with my cats and
listening to Evie Sands' "Picture Me Gone" , which I've just discovered.
I like very much Madeline Bell's version , but Evie's is unsurpassable,
she has a rare intensity in her voice, listening to her almost leaves me
breathless. Maybe I'm too impressionable these days, because the light
in Madrid is suddenly smoother and boys and girls in the streets look
irresistible, like some kind of depredatory fruit.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:01:23 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Billy Davis, R.I.P.
Sad news; songwriter/producer Billy Davis, sometimes known as
Roquel Davis and Tyran Carlo, has died. Born in Detroit, he
was at Berry Gordy’s side in the very early days of Motown,
and before, writing songs like "Reet Petite", "Lonely Teardrops"
and many others for Jackie Wilson. Moving on, in the 1960s, he
was largely responsible for transforming Chess Records from a
blues label into forerunners in the world of soul, producing
classics like "Rescue Me" for Fontella Bass, among dozens of
others for many of the great stars of Chess like Etta James.
Billy Davis was one of the greats. He was 72.
He was very prolific. For a complete list of the songs he wrote,
visit the websites of BMI: http://repertoire.bmi.com/startpage.asp
and ASCAP: http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?mode=search
Note that there are many songwriters of the same name, so to
ensure you get the right one, search for Davis Roquel.
I'd be interested to learn of other S'poppers favourites from
his massive body of work, or any interesting stories from
anyone who might have worked with him.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
(If anyone chooses "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing", so
help me I'll, I'll, I'll . . . )
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 22:08:53 -0700
From: James Holvay
Subject: Re: Billy Davis, R.I.P.
Mick Patrick on the passing of Billy Davis:
> I'd be interested to learn of other S'poppers favourites from
> his massive body of work, or any interesting stories from
> anyone who might have worked with him.
I played guitar on a few sessions with Billy as the producer. He
was a perfect gentleman and a "master" in the studio. We were
young musicians in Chicago, trying to make soul music and he was
God to us. It was his vision, talent and direction that transitioned
Chess from the 50's (Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Muddy Waters era) into
60's Windy City Soul. It too was a very sad day when Billy left to
pursue a career in advertising. Chess never recovered.
James Holvay
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:23:19 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: Donald Leslie / sampling legal issues
Some compiled responses:
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Gary Myers wrote:
> Donald Leslie, the inventor of the Leslie speaker has died at age 93.
> I think one of the most effective uses of the Leslie on record is on
> the Rascals' "I've Been Lonely Too Long."
James Holvay:
True but how 'bout every MG instrumental that Booker "T" played on.
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Austin Roberts:
And a couple of Tommy James' records, and I think on Itchycoo Park.
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from "Disney May Sell Trademarks Over Suit":
> The song has been covered by at least 150 artists, including The
> Tokens, George Michael, Miriam Makeba and The Spinners.
Fred Clemens:
Having researched the song for over six years now, I can personally
vouch for well over 200 versions. I've never heard of the George
Michael one, though. Also, to clarify, the Spinners group mentioned
is not the popular US R&B group, but rather a mid-'60s folk group
out of the UK.
For more, see http://www.bobshannon.com/fred/frednewindex.html
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Bob Rashkow:
Interesting that the article about the Solomon Linda lawsuit over
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight" does not mention Robert John aka Bobby
Pedrick, the only artist to get the song back into the Top 10 with
his synthesized version of the Tokens' classic in '72 (unless you
count the version from The Lion King).
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Rashkovsky:
> "Our answer to that question is in the negative," the court said.
> "Get a license or do not sample. We do not see this as stifling
> creativity in any significant way."
Wise decision.
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:47:44 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: This year Christmas comes earlier
Frank Jastfelder had asked for label details on a few songs he's working
with. Some results of his inquiry:
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The Ventures: Sleigh Ride (Parish/Anderson)
The 45 on Dolton 312 reads:
Producer: Joe Saraceno
and credits "Sleigh Ride" as being written by Leroy Anderson only.
No arranger is listed. The 45 is stated to be from the Dolton LP "The
Christmas Album" (BLP-2038).
M. G. Still
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The Pixies Three: Cold Cold Winter
Composer: John Madara & David White
Produced by: John Madara & David White
The Ventures: Sleigh Ride
Produced by: Joe Saraceno
Engineer: Eddie Brackett
Thirteen Eagle
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The Ventures: Sleigh Ride
The reissue LP (Liberty LM-1069) credits producer Joe Saraceno, but
no arranger.
Charles Ulrich
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The Pixies Three: Cold Cold Winter
Here is the info from my 45:
Cold Cold Winter
J. Madara - D. White
Mercury 77208X-A
No publishing or producer info on my copy of the 45. By the way,
the B-side was "442 Glenwood Avenue" -- same writers.
Michael Godin
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> The Pixies Three
> Cold Cold Winter
> Composer:
> Arranged by
> Produced by
> (P) 1963
> ( I'm sure someone has to have the single)
I dont have the 45, heres the information from the "Growin' Up Too
Fast" comp:
An MWB Production
Produced by Johnny Madara and David White
No arranger listed
> The Ventures
> Sleigh Ride
> (Parish/Anderson)
> Arranged by ???
> Produced by ???
> (P) 1965 Dolton Records
> (I'm really not sure if the Ventures used an arranger at all)
Joe Saraceno - Producer
No arranger listed.
Don Wilson has mentioned in interviews the band did thier own
arrangements.
Hope this helps you out!
Billy G. Spradlin
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:21:25 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Billy Davis, R.I.P.
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Sad news; songwriter/producer Billy Davis, sometimes known as
> Roquel Davis and Tyran Carlo, has died.
Really sad. Around 1982 I met him in NYC at the ad agency he worked
for (or owned?). I was in a music class where we learned about,
wrote and recorded jingles. Davis was an incredibly animated and
gracious host, given that we were a bunch of know-nothing music
students - writing pretty awful stuff. He shared all kinds of
interesting stories and secrets. Much as I can't remember everything
he said, I've never forgotten meeting him and have never forgotten
how kind he was to people he didn't know at all.
Mark F.
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:50:14 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: The Frank Guida Sound
Austin Roberts on the Frank Guida Sound:
> ... we all concurred that none of us knew exactly how Guida did it
> but we're all glad he did! They were in thye studio with him all
> the time and were still perplexed.
Maybe it wasn't intentional. I did stuff that sounded that way
because I was incompetent.
Rashkovksy
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:50:30 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Re: Promo Men - David Anderle
Al Kooper wrote:
> When I was in The Blues Project, the guy who took me to the doctor
> for a penicillin shot in LA was promo guy David Anderle, later with
> Brother Records, Elektra and finally A&M. We're STILL friends.
It would be interesting to hear his views on the new Smile, considering
everything he had to say about the old one ...
Jens
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Norm D. Plume
Subject: Re: The Mouse Sleeps (Uneasy) Tonight
Previously:
> CAPE TOWN, South Africa (AP) -- Disney Enterprises may have to sell
> its trademarks in South Africa to pay for damages if a poor family
> wins a lawsuit claiming it lost millions in royalties from the hit
> song "The Lion Sleeps Tonight."
I saw a most interesting TV documentary a year or so back about the
history of this song and the rather sordid treatment of the original
South African writer, Solomon Linda and his descendants. The film
featured The Weavers, who first popularised the song (and, I think,
attributed it as "trad - arr. by") and, of course, The Tokens, whose
management appeared to offer very little concession.
Can any UK S'Popper remember the details of this film (it may have
been shown in the USA and elsewhere) - it's well worth checking out
if available.
The first recording of this song from the '30s, is a lovely piece of
harmony singing, and a gorgeous tune that deserved to be heard across
the world. Shame, though, about the circumstances.
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:43:02 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Hide and Seek
Ed B:
> While on the subject of Bunker Hill let's not forget the remake a
> few years later in 1966 by The Sheep (Strangeloves) on Boom Records,
> another muddy frantic recording of Hide and Seek.
WQAM disc jockey Roby Yonge said he was only offered payola once --
$100 to play "Hide And Seek". He told me he listened to the record,
and refused to accept it. Unfortunately I don't know who the promo guy
was. I sure miss Roby. We have some tributes to him here:
http://p220.ezboard.com/flimestoneloungefrm11.showMessage?topicID=15.topic
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:44:20 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Laura's Ron Dante interview
Bob Rashkow:
> I didn't even know he produced some of Pat Benatar's stuff. Did he
> work on "Love Is A Battlefield"? (About as good as she gets IMHO)
Actually, I'd like to get some details on that as well. I believe a
version of the Roy Orbison classic "Cryin" was recorded, but I'd love
to hear the whole story. Ron... over to you !
Eddy
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:25:04 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Glen Campbell / The Cowsills
Most of the Cowsill talk has been about John, and I don't think anyone
has mentioned the superb vocal contributions of Susan Cowsill to the
work of the Continental Drifters, particularly their lovely album of
Fairport Convention / Sandy Denny covers. A great and distinctive voice.
And am I also the first to talk about Glen Campbell's session work in
'62/63, working with Jackie DeShannon, Sharon Sheeley, Leon Russell,
P.J. Proby and many others on some superb demos, both as guitarist and
vocalist - check out the RPM CD "Sharon Sheeley: Songwriter" and the
Jackie DeShannon Appreciation Society website for more info.
Peter
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:37:23 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Kingmen's "Louie Louie"
Eric, your story does not ring consistent with known facts.
All the true evidence points to the theory that Louie louie was recorded
in stages, bouncing from mono machine to mono machine.
Why?
Because Producer Tom Moulton obtained DAT copies of the mono stages. The
wild guitar solo and the organ riff done throughout the song were
overdubs. That's why each stage is missing one element, that element had
not been added to the basic track yet.
Tom was able to sync the three tapes into the stereo mix that's been
floating around the last few years. He did an amazing job, but then
again, he always does.
Since Tom had stage tapes, it is extremely unlikely that this song was
done on multitrack. As happens VERY often in the hit records game,
people forget things. That multitrack tape that supposedly belonged to
Mike Korgan was probably later recordings of The Kingsmen, or, it could
have had a mono dub of "Louie Louie" on one of the tracks as a safety,
or it could have been an alternate, later recording of the tune that
they did because they weren't happy with the first one, .....a million
things are possible.
But fact is that Tom Moulton has stage tapes of the hit 45 version
pretty much proves it was done in stages, mono to mono, as were hundreds
of Hit recordings from that 1963 time period.
Mikey,
Tape historian
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:28:31 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: Gillian Hills
Will Stos:
> I just got "Dream Babes, Vol. 5: Folk Rock and Faithfull," and I love
> it. But "Tomorrow Is Another Day," by Gillian Hills, absolutely makes
> me melt! I think she has such a beautiful voice. Is this track a good
> representation of her other recordings, and can anyone recommend a
> collection of her songs on CD or any other good comps with her songs?
She did make a few recordings, even some in French but if this track
makes you melt, be careful if you stumble on some pictures of her !!!
Frank
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:24:17 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: The Frank Guida Sound
Previously:
> That said, whatever the secret it sadly dated the recordings. Whether
> it created the sound that made the hits or not, you don't get hits
> today by making the record sound like the instruments were in one
> room and the microphones in another when they were recorded.
> Dated they may sound, but you know that sound when you hear it and I
> know Quarter To Three is one of the most played songs on oldies
> stations today.
I always thought that the "dated" notion was one of the most debatable
one. It's just as if somebody declared that Shakespeare is dated. It's
an idea totally irrelevant. There's no such thing as dated were creation
is concerned. You either replace it in its context or forget it
altogether. Frank Guida's sound was a major achievement when it came
about, same as Spector's production. You may not like them but they
surely can't be referred to as dated. As far as I'm concerned Guida's
sound was just great and I'd still listen everyday to Quarter To Three
or any Gary US Bonds tracks than most of the so called up to date sound.
Frank
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:07:23 -0000
From: Ron Dante
Subject: Me and Pat Benatar
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> Got a chance to check out Laura P's Ron Dante interview. Great!
> Aren't we all so happy Ron is on the group. What's more he just
> keeps on going. I didn't even know he produced some of Pat
> Benatar's stuff. Did he work on "Love Is A Battlefield"?
Bob, I didn't get to work on Battlefield for Pat but I did like
working with her. Really good singer and person.
All the best buddy,
R.
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:03:20 +0100
From: S'pop Projects
Subject: Steve Duboff
Dear Members,
We require a photograph of songwriter-producer Steve Duboff for the
S'pop Remembers section. Can you help? If so, please reply to this
message and one of the Team will get back to you.
Thanks in advance.
S'pop Project Dept.
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