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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Paul Atkinson Family Trust
From: Richard Havers
2. Re: Bobby Vee's "This Diamond Ring"
From: Michael B Kelly
3. Re: Kenny Buttrey, R.I.P.
From: Brent Cash
4. Supremes' back-ups
From: Jim Fisher
5. Re: Bobby Vee's "Come Back When You Grow Up" / Martha Sharpe
From: Austin Roberts
6. Re: Al Kooper and Bobby Vee
From: Bob Celli
7. Re: Ernie Ball, R.I.P.
From: Gary Myers
8. "Elizabeth" by Dean Reed
From: thirteen_eagle
9. Re: Bobby Vee's "Come Back When You Grow Up"
From: Bob Celli
10. Re: Vogue Records UK
From: Austin Powell
11. Re: The Association
From: Gary Myers
12. Del Shannon Box-Set
From: Ken Silverwood
13. Re: Supremes' back-ups
From: Michael Babbino
14. Re: Martha Sharp[e]
From: Phil X Milstein
15. Dean Reed's "Elizabeth"
From: Julio Niño
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:42:16 +0100
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Paul Atkinson Family Trust
Just got this from a friend about an auction on ebay to benefit former
Zombie Paul Atkinson:
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rhino-auctions
Thought some of you would be interested.
Richard
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:25:57 -0400
From: Michael B Kelly
Subject: Re: Bobby Vee's "This Diamond Ring"
Clark:
> I was talking with a friend who thought "This Diamond Ring" was
> turned down by Bobby Vee. I know Al and Co. wrote it for the
> Drifters, but I don't remember it being offered to Vee and being
> turned down before the Gary Lewis version was made. Al, can you
> clear this up.
More from LIBERTY RECORDS:
"To my knowledge, I never recorded another Aaron Schroeder song after
that 'He's a Rebel,' incident," says Snuff Garrett. "When he did that to
me that time, that was the end. Well, I did cut one more, years and years
later. I saw him in New York and he gave me a song. So I got him, I told
him that I had this hot new star on television and radio, some bull like
that. I held on to the song. It was 'This Diamond Ring' that I cut with
Gary Lewis."
It was Snuff who really guided Gary Lewis's entire music career, even
though by that time, Snuff had left Liberty and was working as an
independent producer. "I stayed at Liberty seven years, then went into
business for myself. When I left, I cut my first record and brought it
back to Liberty, my old home. Al turned it down, so did everybody in
town. Then Bob Skaff, Liberty promotion head went to bat for me. The
record: 'This Diamond Ring'.
"I had offered that song to Bobby Vee, but he turned it down. He denies
it. He says I didn't. What did I need, a brass band in front of it? I
won't argue, but it was in my desk and I was in trouble with Bobby; we
needed a hit."
And Bobby Vee's version of things…
Doc Rock: I heard that Snuff Garrett offered you 'This Diamond Ring,'
which was Gary Lewis' first hit, a #1 hit, but you turned it down. Is
that story correct?
Bobby Vee: Snuffy loves to tell that story, but actually that wasn't the
way it went.
Doc Rock: Okay, let's hear the real story.
Bobby Vee: The song was around but it was never presented to me. Snuffy
really liked the song, but I never had a chance to turn it down. I think
I probably would have recorded it if it had been offered, because I did
like the song. Anyway Snuff had struck up this relationship with the
Lewises at that point, and Gary wanted to get into the record business,
so he took Gary in and cut it with him. And it was a big hit for him.
Doc
http://www.DocRock.us
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:09:05 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Re: Kenny Buttrey, R.I.P.
So many sad updates here lately. I didn't know any members' names of
The Glitterhouse as they aren't listed on the "Color Blind" LP I have,
so I had no clue that was the same guy as on some "Tapestry" tracks.
"Tinkerbell's Mind" really reminds me of "Four Sail"-era Love. Sounds
like those two albums only scratched the surface with that talented
person. Next time you all hear "Heart Of Gold" by Neil Young, check
out how tasteful, yet unusual the drum part is. He (Buttrey) doesn't
even touch the hi-hat until about :30 seconds into the song, and then
when he does finally play them it's a unique "quater note/quarter
note/two sixteenth notes/quarter note" pattern that evokes bucolic
laziness, but is also very funky at the same time. And a number one
single is born.
Best to all of you,
Brent Cash
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:31:46 -0700
From: Jim Fisher
Subject: Supremes' back-ups
Discussing with someone about the male singer/singers indentities
doing the background call-outs on the Supremes' "Someday we'll be
together"...I say Four Tops, or part thereof, they say no. Any
ideas to clear this unseemly squabble up? Thanks, Jim.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:26:23 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Bobby Vee's "Come Back When You Grow Up" / Martha Sharpe
Doc Rock writes:
> The very next Liberty release was an original song by an old Liberty
> standby that could not have come at a better time. "Come Back When You
> Grow Up" was a mild, small-combo ballad by Bobby Vee
As an aside: Come Back When You Grow Up Girl, Single Girl, and Born A
Woman were written by Martha Sharpe, who became a terrific Warner Bros.
Records A&R person who discovered Randy Travis, among others, and was
responsible for several hits I had on Warner's as a writer. She is more
or less retired and now lives back in the great state of Virginia, where
she is from (as am I). She is a great talent!
Austin Roberts
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:00:44 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Al Kooper and Bobby Vee
Clark Besch wrote:
> I was talking with a friend who thought "This Diamond Ring" was
> turned down by Bobby Vee. I know Al and Co. wrote it for the
> Drifters, but I don't remember it being offered to Vee and being
> turned down before the Gary Lewis version was made. Al, can you
> clear this up.
>
> This conversation led to the story on "Come Back When You Grow Up".
> When KOMA radio in Oklahoma City had their DJ reunion early this
> year, my fave KOMA DJ, Dale Wehba, talked about hearing a local band
> play the song live and he thought it would be good for Vee.
> Apparently, he was in the studio when Vee cut it. It appears with an
> intro on Vee's EMI Legendary Masters Cd and we wondered why they cut
> that and made the 45 start cold vith vocal beginning instead of
> having the original opening. I guessed it was to shorten the record
> to a more "normal" 45 running time. Anyone know why it starts with
> vocal? I'm guessing Vee and all thought it would be huge, since I
> remember being totally surprised by how fast it followed "Maybe Just
> Today" in being released. Seemed like "Today" had been out hardly a
> month and here was this new song!
I've talked to Bobby Vee and Snuff Garrett about the This Diamond Ring
story. Bobby says Snuff never officially offered it to him. Snuff says
he did and replied to my question with "Did I have to put a neon sign
on it!?" So does that answer the question???? I'm still not sure! Let
me clear up something else you mentioned. "Come Back When You Grow Up",
was followed by "Beautiful People", was followed by "Maybe Just Today".
That's the way that went. The intro on "Come Back" was probably cut by
producer Dallas Smith. No one had any great expectations about the
song as it was so out of line with everything else that was popular at
the time. It was a very pleasant surprise and led Vee to a few more hits.
Bob Celli
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:28:13 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Ernie Ball, R.I.P.
Phil M:
> ... death of another innovator of the musical instrument industry
> whose name has become a brand name, Ernie Ball of guitar strings
> fame ... NY Times seems to be passing over this passing.
L.A. Times had an obit.
gem
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 05:43:40 -0000
From: thirteen_eagle
Subject: "Elizabeth" by Dean Reed
I have the song "Elizabeth" sung in Spanish by Dean Reed on a Russian
CD, and the melody is naggingly familiar - Steve Fuji and I were
trying to figure it out, without success. The label MAY credit it to
Paul Anka but my Russian isn't so hot... The verses have a call-and-
response of "shoobee-doo (shoobee-doo) shoobee-dah (shoobee-dah)" if
that helps. Maybe Julio can help?? Thanks!
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:45:42 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Bobby Vee's "Come Back When You Grow Up"
Doc, Whoa!!!!! I gotta make a few corrections to this story. The
first issue of "Come Back When You Grow Up" had the flip side "That's
All In The Past". "That's All In The Past" was written by Bobby and
appeared on his "Look At Me Girl" lp in 1966. The song was re-coupled
with "Swahili Serenade" because the people involved with the film
"Africa Texas Style" offered Bobby $3,000 to record "Swahili
Serenade" and get it out. The long and short of that was, Bobby had an
extra $3000 for recording "Swahili Serenade" but lost all the
royalties on "That's All In The Past"! Of course he didn't realize
that it was going to sell nearly 3 million copies at the time!! Also,
there was never a release with the #55982 and "Growing Pains" as the
flip side. That's a tale out of a record price guide that is
absolutely not true!!
Bob Celli
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:28:37 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Re: Vogue Records UK
Tom:
> ... does anyone know anything about the Vogue label in the UK and how
> and why it ended up putting out so much French material and why it's
> almost impossible to find any of it that isn't by Francoise Hardy?
The UK Vogue label was the UK end of Disques Vogue of France (now I
believe owned by BMG). Its records were issued through Pye's facilities
at the time and the association was strong particularly in relation to
Petula Clark who's recordings in French were issued by Disques Vogue.
It also had a big jazz catalogue I believe. It had nothing to do with
the Vogue label that Decca operated in the '50s and early '60s. Any help?
Austin Powell
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:29:47 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: The Association
Previously:
> ...why didn't "Everything That Touches You" hit the top 10?
It did. #10 per Whitburn, 09 wks on Hot 100.
gem
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:44:17 +0100
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Del Shannon Box-Set
Just heard that Bear Family are due to release a 8 CD Box-set on Del
Shannon soon, track listing not available to press, though the title
is 1960-70. Yum-yum. Oh, and 120 page hard back book is in the price.
Ken On The West Coast
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:35:15 -0400
From: Michael Babbino
Subject: Re: Supremes' back-ups
Jim Fisher:
> Discussing with someone about the male singer/singers indentities
> doing the background call-outs on the Supremes' "Someday we'll be
> together"...I say Four Tops, or part thereof, they say no. Any
> ideas to clear this unseemly squabble up?
Johnny Bristol?
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:12:07 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Martha Sharp[e]
Austin Roberts wrote:
> As an aside: Come Back When You Grow Up Girl, Single Girl, and Born
> A Woman were written by Martha Sharpe, who became a terrific Warner
> Bros. Records A&R person who discovered Randy Travis, among others,
> and was responsible for several hits I had on Warner's as a writer.
> She is more or less retired and now lives back in the great state of
> Virginia, where she is from (as am I). She is a great talent!
Thanks for that information, Austin -- it sounds like you've actually
met her. I don't believe it's ever been totally, definitively and
finally confirmed before that Martha Sharp and Sandy Posey are two
entirely different ladies. Part of the reason this rumor has persisted
is that Sandy's real name has never, to the best of my knowledge, been
divulged, and Martha's writing credit on two of her biggest hits leads
one to assume such a superconnection. (I SUPPOSE it's possible her real
name IS Sandy Posey, but I kinda doubt it.)
What I wouldn't give for a crack at interviewing Miss Sharp about her
experiences in the record business!
--Phil M.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:13:47 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Dean Reed's "Elizabeth"
Hola Everybody.
Previously:
> I have the song "Elizabeth" sung in Spanish by Dean Reed on a Russian
> CD, and the melody is naggingly familiar - Steve Fuji and I were
> trying to figure it out, without success. The label MAY credit it to
> Paul Anka but my Russian isn't so hot... The verses have a call-and-
> response of "shoobee-doo (shoobee-doo) shoobee-dah (shoobee-dah)" if
> that helps. Maybe Julio can help?? Thanks!
I would love to help you, maybe if I could listen to it, but I'm really
bad identifying songs. I didn't know anything about Dean Reed. I've
searched for info in internet and what I've found is rather intriguing.
It seems that DreamWorks and Tom Hanks are preparing a movie about him.
You can read some brief report about the film and the character in:
ttp://www.themovieinsider.com/news/news.php?nid=09.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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