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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Dion
From: Frank
2. Re: The Elegants
From: Fred Clemens
3. Re: Dion 45s
From: Fred Clemens
4. Re: Cindy's Birthday
From: Various
5. Re: Heywood Henry: from Erskine Hawkins to The Megatrons
From: Mike Rashkow
6. Re: Lecia & Lucienne
From: Jens Koch
7. Re: Dion 45s
From: krh68
8. The Bleus
From: Tom
9. Re: Distant Cousins
From: Brent Cash
10. Zager & Evans
From: Gary Myers
11. Re: Sweet Henry song
From: Austin Roberts
12. Re: Sister acts
From: Andrew Charles
13. Re: One-hit Wonders
From: Shawn Nagy
14. Re: This Diamond Ring
From: Al Kooper
15. One Hit Wonders / Alvin Stardust / Johnny Crawford
From: David Walker
16. Re: Dion 45s
From: Gary Myers
17. Re: The Elegants
From: Gary Myers
18. Re: Kevin McQuinn
From: Tom
19. Diamond Records / Shane Fenton=Alvin Stardust
From: Austin Powell
20. Dean Parrish, etc
From: Al Kooper
21. "The Last Two People On Earth"
From: Al Kooper
22. Bobby's Come Back
From: Al Kooper
23. Web articles
From: Michael B Kelly
24. Re: Kevin McQuinn
From: Fred Clemens
25. Re: Kevin McQuinn / Diamond Records
From: Davie Gordon
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:05:23 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Dion
Since we're talking about Dion and foreign records are being played on
Musica. As soon as it will be possible I'll play a Dion cover I just
found. It's a track I produced back in the 80's for the French arm of
Atlantic.
Frank
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:39:33 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: The Elegants
Joe Nelson wrote:
> The Elegants, on the other hand, made numerous attempts at following
> up "Little Star", yet the public wasn't having any. What gave?
The Elegants cut many great sides after "Little Star" ("Please Believe
Me", "Goodnight", "Little Boy Blue", etc.). Like Dion, Vito Picone
even attempted a solo career in the early 60's, having three releases.
Unlike Dion, his wasn't so successful. One favorite among them was on
the Admiral label, "Song From Moulin Rouge", which, I think, was
supposed to have been used in the original film but wasn't.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:22:44 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Dion 45s
Previously:
> I did think Abraham Martin And John was incredible.
> AM&J was historic, but turn the record over; the re-imagining of
> "Purple Haze" is absolutely brilliant!
> "Purple Haze" was the chart follow-up AM&J on Laurie 3478. I think
> the original flip of AM&J was "Daddy Rollin'" (3464).
The flip side of "Purple Haze" (by Dion) was a wonderful version of
the Judy Collins Hit, "Both Sides Now".
Fred Clemens
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:47:21 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: Cindy's Birthday
Jim:
> I recently was given a copy of the above...great teen-tune and I
> remember it from my romantic youth in Australia as being done by
> -???--the son from the TV show "The Rifleman"-- Paul/Ray Peterson
> perhaps? I suffer from teen idol confusion. This version of it is
> by the wonderfuly-named Shane Fenton, a Brit apparently and also
> apparently known later as Alvin Stardust. Frankie Avalon should
> have had a crack at this one. My question: who had the hit version
> (if there was one) in the US with this song?
Hola Jim.
The US hit version was by Johnny Crawford, one of my favorite teen
voices by the way. I love his "Your Nose Is Gonna Grow". The
Françoise Hardy version "Qui Aime T´il Vraiment?" is also charming.
Chao.
Julio Nino
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Johnny Crawford had the hit and was the Rifleman's son. Paul Peterson
was from Donna Reed and Ray Peterson was an early Spector production.
It's a great tune, however.
I have Shane's version. The See For Miles CD is a great one. "I'm A
Moody Guy" stands along with "Move It" and "Shakin' All Over" as one
of the few Pre-Fab Brit hits worth listening to. The Shadows' secret
weapon, Jerry Lordan, is also represented there too. Alvin Stardust
has a website and will answer questions on the messageboard. Love his
version of "Pretend" with one of my favorite guitar solos by the lead
guitarist of Matchbox.
Steve Harvey
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The answer you are looking for is . . . . . . . (drum roll please)
Johnny Crawford.
Matt Spero
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Jim, it was Johnny Crawford.
His fourth single -- "Cindy's Birthday"/"Something Special" (Del-Fi
4178) -- was released in April of 1962, and climbed up the national
charts over the next few months, finally topping out on Billboard's
Pop charts at #8 on June 23, 1962. In fact, all three of Crawford's
albums have been reissued on CD for the first time just recently, by
Collector's Choice Music:
http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=CCM04692
Bryan
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Johnny Crawford - No time for geography, 'rithmetic or history...
James Botticelli
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Johnny Crawford, who had a few other good hits. I especially like
"Proud", "Rumors" and "Patti Ann". In the 80's & 90's (and, presumably,
still) Crawford was performing '20s & '30s music for society functions
around L.A. The kb player that I work with every week has spoken to
him a couple of times.
Gary Myers
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The boy on "The Rifleman" - the same one who sang "Cindy's Birthday"
- was/is Johnny Crawford.
ACJ
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Don't everyone all yell at once. "Cindy's Birthday" was a Top 10 for
none other than Johnny Crawford, of "Rifleman", in May 1962. I was 5
years old and I literally BEGGED my mom to get me that record--at
Amptone Electronics in Morton Grove, Illinois. (It might have been
the first time I ever laid eyes on a WLS Hit Parade.) Johnny went on
to chart some more---"Your Nose Is Gonna Grow" and "Rumors" did
particularly well--but by '64 his recording career was more or less
over. But imagine Ray Peterson singing "Cindy's Birthday"! ! ! I'm
trying to at the moment. It would probably sound a lot more like
"Corinna Corinna" than "Tell Laura (Cindy?) I Love Her"! ! !
Bobster
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:52:09 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Heywood Henry: from Erskine Hawkins to The Megatrons
Previously:
> Has anyone here come across - or better - worked with Heywood Henry?
> (His name seems to be [mis?]spelt sometimes as 'Haywood'.) Any
> further insight into his achievements? Even a scrap of information
> about the Megatrons would be interesting.
Heywood Henry was a regular first, second or third call Baritone Sax
man during my few years in the NYC studios. Artie Kaplan, being the
major pop contractor was often the baritone man on the dates--if you
wanted someone who had a bit more chops it would usually be Buddy
Lucas or Heywood Henry. I saw him on a lot of dates--low key guy,
very professional.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:44:04 -0000
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Re: Lecia & Lucienne
Niels Chr Junker-Poulsen wrote:
> She Taught Me How To Yodel was ... dare I say, a huge hit.
It's a nice change to hear these stylish Lecia & Lucienne songs in
comparison to the Dansktop material and the Laban stuff that was
Lucienne-less. Is Lucia still performing?
Jens
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:04:12 +0100
From: krh68
Subject: Re: Dion 45s
Favourite Dion of mine is "I Was Born To Cry". Great swing to it...
Cheers
krh68
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 05:32:39 -0000
From: Tom
Subject: The Bleus
One of the bands on Diamond records in their last days was The Bleus.
They cut an awesome little record called Good Morning, Love (Diamond
D-267, this is the last Diamond 45 ive seen with their 1650 Broadway
address, though most copies of this 45 had the Edwin H Morris address
label, the earliest with EHM address ive seen is #265). Anyhow, the
Bleus song was recorded at Muscle Shoals, from what im told (ive not
been able to confirm this), it was produced by Eddie Hinton and Paul
Ballenger. Anyhow, this is a rockin' little record....the Bleus later
recorded under the name The Electric Hand Band for Certron records
(which is what Diamond turned into in the early 70s, Certron lasted
for a year). Has any of the Bleus material (i think they had two
Diamond singles?) from this era ended up on cd?
The band reformed in recent years and was popular again, but now
their website no longer exists....does anyone know what happened?
Does the band still perform?
Tom
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:45:46 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Re: Distant Cousins
Dave O'Gara wrote:
> I'm glad there's been some mentions of the Distant Cousins here...
You'll probably get lots of replies on this, but in case you don't,
"Mr.Sebastian" by the Distant Cousins was written by A. Kasha/J.
Hirschorn, Arranged by Bob Halley,Produced by Al Kasha for Bob Crewe
Productions. No credit given for "phone ringer", but his/her timing
was great,huh?
You may have heard the B-side,"Empty House" but if not, it's a slow,
vaguely bossa-ish tune. Unison vocals on the verses and they break
into Everly-like harmonies on the choruses. "Empty House is similar
to "Here Today, Gone Tomorrow", but nothing like "She Ain't Lovin' You".
Best wishes,
Brent Cash
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:02:49 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Zager & Evans
John Fox:
> the ultimate in this category is (are?) Zager & Evans--6 weeks at
> #1 and no other chartings.
In 1988, while driving from CA to WI, I was on I-80 through Nebraska
and I realized I would be passing Lincoln, which I knew was the home
town of that duo. I figured there couldn't be too many Zager's there,
so I made a stop and looked through the phone book. Denny Zager was
unlisted, but I called a business (TV repair, I think) who turned out
to be his brother and gave me his number.
I told him I did occasional stories for record collector's
publications and wondered if he would do an interview sometime. He
said they had just had some recent interest in re-doing the song from
someone in NY, and he'd like to wait until that happened. I wrote to
him once after that, but never heard anything further.
gem
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:57:49 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Sweet Henry song
Phil Milstein writes:
> Here are the titles of a few Sweet Henry releases, all of them on
> Paramount: ... Recognize any of 'em?
Hi Phil, None of these fit. Do you know what years these were out?
For some reason I thought the label for our tune was Columbia.
Austin
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:55:58 -0400
From: Andrew Charles
Subject: Re: Sister acts
Lucy Simon (the folksinger) and Carly Simon have yet another sister,
Joanna Simon, who's the opera singer.
ACJ
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:14:45 -0000
From: Shawn Nagy
Subject: Re: One-hit Wonders
Depends how technical you want to get, Zager & Evans had three chart
entries, Singing Nun had 2 according to Cashbox. Always worth
considering both sets of charts. NOW, if a group didn't have more
than one entry on both Billboard & Chashbox I'd consider them a
bonafide "one hit wonder". JMO
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:23:24 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: This Diamond Ring
Previously:
> I was talking with a friend who thought "This Diamond Ring" was
> turned down by Bobby Vee. I know Al and Co. wrote it for the
> Drifters, but I don't remember it being offered to Vee and being
> turned down before the Gary Lewis version was made. Al, can you
> clear this up.
NOPE. All I know is that Snuff Garrett produced it and Leon Russell
arranged it (yecchhh).
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:15:14 +0930
From: David Walker
Subject: One Hit Wonders / Alvin Stardust / Johnny Crawford
Hi Spectropoppers,
re: One Hit Wonders
A problem arises with the One Hit Wonder debate. Spectropop is lucky
enough to be an international forum and includes areas where the
artistes in question may have had more than one hit on the charts.
Even if the second one only hit the lower reaches of the top forty.
Zager and Evans are case in point. In Adelaide they had a follow up
to In The Year 2525 (#4 1969) with Help One Man Today(#26 1970).
Talking about Adelaide, what about Sister Janet Mead. I understand
this local lass went to #1 in America in 1974 with a rock mass
version of The Lord's Prayer. I guess with a song like that it would
be hard to have a decent follow up.
re: Alvin Stardust
I find the story, and relative success, of Alvin Stardust interesting.
Apart from being married to gorgeous Midlander actor Liza Goddard
(Skippy, Eric the Wonder Dog etc) Bernard Jewry came to become Shane
Fenton after the original "Shane Fenton", Johnny Threakston (I think),
had died at an early age. I don't believe the original line-up
recorded anything. Bernard later became Alvin Stardust, as is common
knowledge, after Peter Shelley (Gee Baby, Love Me Love My Dog) had
recorded the earlier My Coo Ca Choo, and I suspect Jealous Minds
although I could be wrong. So, as Shane Fenton he had success in the
1960's; as Alvin Stardust he had hits in the 1970's and 1980's.
re: Johnny Crawford;
Had 4 top 20 hits in Adelaide, including Cindy's Birthday #13, between
1961 and 1963. Proud (1963) only got to #28. All this chart success,
I am sure, being partly due to the popularity of The Rifleman at the
time. However, I reckon Johnny Crawford, as with similar Eddie Hodges,
benefited from great production. Cindy's Birthday as with I'm Gonna
Knock on Your Door are great pop songs.
cheers
David Walker
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:17:02 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Dion 45s
Fred Clemens:
> The flip side of "Purple Haze" (by Dion) was a wonderful version of
> the Judy Collins Hit, "Both Sides Now".
And that *also* charted, as the follow-up to PH, issued under still
another number.
gem
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:21:02 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: The Elegants
Fred Clemens:
> ... Vito Picone even attempted a solo career in the early 60's,
> having three releases ... One favorite among them was on the Admiral
> label, "Song From Moulin Rouge", which, I think, was supposed to
> have been used in the original film but wasn't.
I assume you don't mean that Picone's version was supposed to be used,
since the flim was around 1953, but are you saying that the song itself
was not used in the film? I always thought it was the title theme, and
Whitburn also shows it as such. (I often do that song on appropriate
gigs).
gem
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:33:57 -0000
From: Tom
Subject: Re: Kevin McQuinn
Country Paul:
> ... Kevin McQuinn's "Every Step of the Way" (Diamond 101) was their
> first release, and was somewhat of a hit in NYC. (Considering my
> immediate past experiences, I'll leave chart positions out of my end
> of the discussion!) I had no idea that was the Seasons behind him.
> Excellent record, especially where his singing gets a bit gritty at
> the end.
As soon as there's some space in Musica, I'll play "Ev'ry Step Of
The Way" to there from my original Diamond 45 (which was NM, but
somehow got 2 big nicks in the vinyl on that side, though barely
evident in my mp3, which ive not cleaned up at all from my 45). As
the resident Diamond collector here, this record was released in mid
to late 1961 (though every source ive seen online says Diamond
started in 1962...ive found record charts from early December 1961
mentioning Diamond D-106 on them, so this has to be from before
then...
Indeed, on this 45 both sides are written by "E. J. Quinn", produced
by Bob Crewe, and the orchestra was conducted by Charles Calello.
Someone asked me "so, does this guy sound at all like frankie
valli?" and no, he doesnt, but then again I didnt know it was the
Four Seasons backing him up either....but it still doesnt sound like
them to me.
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:12:37 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Diamond Records / Shane Fenton=Alvin Stardust
Tom:
....though every source I've seen online says Diamond started in 1962
...i've found record charts from early December 1961 mentioning
Diamond D-106 on them, so this has to be from before..
EMI released Diamond 101 (Kevin McQuinn) in the U.K. on the Top Rank
label on 19th January 1962, so it looks like a November or December
1961 release in the U.S. to me. Diamond 104 (Jimmy Parker's "We
Gonna") and 108 (Johnny Desmond's "Twstin' Rose Of Texas") didn't get
a UK release until March '62. Desmond I know of, but who was Jimmy
Parker anyone?
Peter Shelley was the vocalist on (at least) "My Coo Ca Choo" as
David Walker says. Before Shane Fenton "became" Alvin Stardust,
Shelley and the people at Magnet Records approached a Wolverhampton
(in the U.K. West Midlands) based group called Fable to be the
touring act. Their lead singer was Pete Goalby. Fable subsequently
released several singles and an album on Magnet. Goalby went on to
be lead singer in Uriah Heep for a while.
Austin P.
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 06:41:54 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Dean Parrish, etc
Previously:
> And Al re: Brent Records, mentions Dean Parrish's "Turn On Your Love
> Light," which I've never heard. Any chance of playing it to musica,
> Al? Please?
Pretty sure that was BOOM, but most assuredly not Brent, which I recall
was a Long Island, NY label.
Previously:
> One of those two scenes was sped up, for comic effect, but now I
> can't remember which one it was.
> It was "Clockwork Orange"...
Okay. When clockwork came out on VHS, how many played that scene in
slow-motion more than twice ??? Raise 'em up!!! errr...your HANDS,
lads........
Al Kooper
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 06:46:56 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: "The Last Two People On Earth"
Martin Roberts on Claire Francis productions:
> ... "But I Don't Care", "I've Got My Own Thing Going" ... and Dave
> Rich's "Last Two People On Earth" ...
Curious if this is the same Last Two People that I co-wrote for Gene
Pitney. Never heard Dave Rich's version.
Al Kooper
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:22:46 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Bobby's Come Back
Ian Slater on Eight Feet:
> "Bobby ... " is an absolute classic girl-group record. Can you
> rember much about the recordings, the group & who they were,
> whether there were other tracks recorded, anything at all please?
Here we go, Ian!
This was a cross pollenization. A girl group record, very Spector-
Nitzsche influenced, with the subject matter being Bob Dy;an. "Bobby's
Come A Long, Long, Way" by Eight Feet was cut at Regent Sound Studios
in NYC. Al Rogers played drums and I think I played all the other
instruments. Irwin Levine, co-writer, had a penchant for easily
finding black or white girl groups from the swamps of his native New
Jersey whenever we needed them. Such was the case with Eight Feet. We
named them. They were just graduating high school, and the lead singer,
Debbie, resembled the blond Mary from the Shangri-Las. Debbie was a
great singer. The only other track I have on her was singing a duet
with me on a demo of a non-recorded song (and for good reason!) We
will NOT be hearing that on Musica while I'm still alive. The flip was
written by the girls, I think. Too lazy to dig it out. I had great fun
attempting to emulate Spector's sound on that record. If you haven't
heard it here's the first verse written by the late great Irwin Levine:
>From the cellars of poverty
And a truckdriving family
Using comicbook intelligence
And a farmer's touch of elegance
In the space of life's short day
With a meaningful guitar on a road that seemed so far
Bobby's Come A Long Long Way
Boy, did I get s**t about this after Like A Rolling Stone, when the
Dylan camp discovered it. Good-natured ribbing s**t, however.....
Al "still on a road that seems so far" Kooper
10/6 - Cleveland
10/7 - Chicago
10/8-9 - Detroit
11/6 - Vienna, VA
11/7 - Annapolis, MD
12/4 - Northhampton, MA
see http://www.alkooper.com and click on LIVE if you still leave your
house to see shows.
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:42:51 -0400
From: Michael B Kelly
Subject: Web articles
I have now posted 8 articles at http://www.DocRock.us
Elvis in Kansas
Racehorse Ray Peterson
Bob Lind
Bobby Vee's Sweater
He's a Rebel
Phil Spector at Liberty
How Jan & Dean Came To Liberty
The Joiner, Arkansas, Junior High School Band
Enjoy!
Doc
Michael "Doc Rock" Kelly
The Rock 'n' Roll PhD
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:06:30 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Kevin McQuinn
Tom wrote:
> Indeed, on this 45 both sides are written by "E. J. Quinn", produced
> by Bob Crewe, and the orchestra was conducted by Charles Calello.
> Someone asked me "so, does this guy sound at all like frankie
> valli?" and no, he doesnt, but then again I didnt know it was the
> Four Seasons backing him up either....but it still doesnt sound like
> them to me.
I first learned of this record in the mid-70's, and at that time
there were rumors going around that Kevin had some kind of connection
to the Mello Kings ("Tonite, Tonite"), a group that contained Eddie
Quinn (possibly the "E. J. Quinn" mentioned as the composer). Perhaps
Kevin was Eddie's brother, cousin, or even Eddie himself. Around that
time, I found four copies together (at one time) at a local junk shop
(Archie's [Stiles] Resale Shop in Meyersville, NJ). Archie had just
about anything you could think of for sale, including records (mostly
junk quality, but I still bought 'em)). He also sold, repaired, and
traded ice skates. Archie passed on about 5 years ago, and from what
I found out just recently, his collection of antique toys and stuff
have been auctioned off. Though I never saw any of them (he stored
them in his house, not for sale), it was said that it was one of the
largest in the country. Archie was also a legend in the area for
being Santa Claus.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:12:51 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: Kevin McQuinn / Diamond Records
Tom wrote:
> As the resident Diamond collector here, this record was released in
> mid to late 1961 (though every source ive seen online says Diamond
> started in 1962...ive found record charts from early December 1961
> mentioning Diamond D-106 on them, so this has to be from before
> then...
Tom, here are the Billboard review / new release listing dates
for the early days of Diamond
101 Kevin McQuinn - Oct 30,1961
102 The Originals - Nov 20, 1961
104 Jimmy Parker - Dec 25, 1961
106 Susan Summers - Jan 27, 1962
107 Amelia - Feb 3, 1962
108 Johnny Desmond - Feb 3, 1962
> Indeed, on this 45 both sides are written by "E. J. Quinn", produced
> by Bob Crewe, and the orchestra was conducted by Charles Calello.
Looks like this must've been one of, if not the, earliest times that
Charlie Calello worked with Bob Crewe.
Something about Diamond I've never been sure of - is Phil Kahl the
same person as Phil Kolsky who was an early business partner of
Roulette's Maurice Levy - I think he was in charge of publishing for
Roulette and related labels.
Davie
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