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There are 26 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Brian leak
From: Frank Jastfelder
2. Re: Claude Francois
From: Tom K. White
3. Re: Elegants / Vito Picone / Passions, etc
From: Austin Roberts
4. Re: Weighing in on Smile
From: Steve Harvey
5. Re: Pop music as fine art.
From: Julio Niño
6. Re: Song Titled: "Breaking Away" or "I'm Breaking Away"
From: Tom K. White
7. Imperfect Tens
From: Bob Rashkow
8. Rinaldo Bros coffeehouse gig
From: Bill Craig
9. Critters Second LP
From: James Botticelli
10. Re: Al Kooper and Dion
From: Mike McKay
11. Jimmy Gallagher; Dion; "Wolf of Manhattan" help, please
From: Country Paul
12. Re: ...and even a poem written to me by Jack Kerouac...
From: Richard Williams
13. Re: Beg, Borrow & Steal
From: Various
14. Re: Sylvan
From: Dave Monroe
15. Re: Tony May
From: Claire Francis
16. Re: Floyd Cramer licks
From: Stewart Mason
17. Re: Decca/MCA
From: Howard Earnshaw
18. Re: Carol Jarvis
From: James Botticelli
19. Da Doo Ron Ron's 6th Birthday
From: Chris King
20. Re: Louise Cordet - In a Matter of Moments
From: Gary Myers
21. Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia
From: John Sellards
22. Re: Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia
From: James Botticelli
23. Re: Chilling Lyrics
From: Robert Pingel
24. Re: Tony May
From: Niels
25. Re: Nothing takes the place... on CD
From: Sebastian Fonzeus
26. "Breaking Away" or "I'm Breaking Away"
From: Steve Harvey
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:01:30 +0200
From: Frank Jastfelder
Subject: Re: Brian leak
Al Kooper:
> Showtime is doing a 90 minute Making of Smile show. Tuesday October
> 5th at 9 PM EST. To see mucho preview-o, go to http://www.nonesuch.com
> and click on the Brian video preview. Have patience on the loadup, and
> also occasionally there are seven second blanks and short repeats of
> what you have already seen, but there is AMAZING footage in there if
> you're a fan of Brian the producer (as opposed to Al Jardine, Mike
> Love, or Murry Wilson, the producer). Have fun !!!!!!!
Since I'm travelling to the US tomorrow. Can anybody tell me if you get
the Showtime channel in hotels usually? My friends in Boston don't have
this cable channel. I'm desperate to see the Smile documentary. Any
other ideas where to watch?
Thanks for your help.
Frank J
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:25:17 -0000
From: Tom K. White
Subject: Re: Claude Francois
Dave Monroe wrote:
> "Serre-Moi Griffe-Moi" I have only on EP, but "Prendi Prendi" is
> on the Stasera Shake!!! comp LP.
I havent heard of that LP but it sounds like my kind of thing - what
else is on it and where can I get a hold of it?
Tom K
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:36:32 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Elegants / Vito Picone / Passions, etc
Al Kooper:
> The Passions were managed by a guy named Jim Gribble out of 1697 B'way
> which is the Ed Sullivan building. I would do some work for Gribble so
> I'd bump into The Passions. An Irish guy named Jimmy sang lead for them.
> ...
Jimmy Gallagher, I believe. Saw them on PBS; he still sounds good!
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Weighing in on Smile
I can remember back in 1976 Wayne Rogers showing me
the slick for the Smile album, way down in North
Carolina. At that point it was the stuff of myths. In
the 80s drips and drabs of Smile made their way
through the bootleg circles. Even though it is not the
whole group playing and singing I still welcome the
new version. Who would have thought we'd ever hear
this opus back in the 70s-2000? I look forward to
hearing it this month. The Zombies and Love are also
playing too. The 60s can't be killed! Do it right and
it will last forever!
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:08:09 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Re: Pop music as fine art.
Hola Everybody.
Previously:
> Geez, get real, folks -- popular music is no more "(fine) art" than
> even the most skilfully painted graffiti is. It is not rocket science,
> or a religion, or a human condition altering phenomenon. It may even
> be a form of psychic medication, but it is not medicine! It's
> entertainment. That's all. And that's a lot!
Al Kooper:
> Sorry, I see it as fine art when it is lovingly assembled and
> passionately performed with massive talent behind it and an
> intellectual overview. "River Deep" by Tina Turner is fine art.
> You've Lost That Lovin Feelin' is fine art and the original Good
> Vibrations and most of Pet Sounds is akin to Mozart or Beethoven and
> that IS rocket science, musically speaking.
I´ve always found very intriguing the fact that works of art can
produce such pleasure and fascination.
Some incoherent ideas about that subject:
- We call very different manifestations Art: literature, painting,
sculpture, music, etc., and although they could have some common
element (creativity apply to pleasure, I mean not necessarily directed
to a practice objective), I suspect that they excite very different
brain circuits, so referring to them with the same word could generate
mental confusion, because our mind tends to assume that they are
examples of the same phenomenon and maybe they aren´t. This can
complicate understanding the biology of art.
- The perception of art and artists has changed a lot throughout
history. Cultural prejudices are an important ingredient of the
feelings produced by a work of art.
- In my opinion, the real impact of a work of art only can be valued
in subjective terms (I conceive art as a subjective phenomenon, the
rest is theory of art), technical excellence, virtuosity, originality,
(that could be considered as bad taste in some cultures or epochs) or
historic importance, are not relevant. So for me "I Love How You Love
Me" sung by Barry Mann (my favorite version), for instance can be as
"fine art" as Leonardo´s Mona Lisa.
Chao.
Julio Niño
(fascinated these days with Evie Sands´"A Fine Summer Morning").
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:01:41 -0000
From: Tom K. White
Subject: Re: Song Titled: "Breaking Away" or "I'm Breaking Away"
Mike the Bass Player wrote:
> Only heard this song once or twice but it's been haunting me since
> the early 80's. It has a cowbell or chain clanking effect on every
> quarter note. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated - Artist,
> label, year etc... If anyone has a copy that'd be the best!
Not sure, it's only a random guess, but could it be Breakaway by
Toni Basil from A&M? Date I think is 1965, but not sure. Nowhere To
Run-esque faux Motown/Northern Soul sound. The chorus goes, "I'm
gonna break away from all these chains that bind, and everyday I'll
wear what I want and do what suits me fine". Probably not, but just
a suggestion...
Tom K
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:40:47 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Imperfect Tens
Phil Milstein wasn't the only one that had 10 Wheel Drive confused
with 10 Years After. I distinctly recall someone in school talking
about how much they loved the "Watt" album by that great group, Ten
Wheel Drive. When I corrected them by telling them that TWD was the
group fronted by Israeli singer Genya Ravan, who charted for a few
weeks in Chicago with "Morning Much Better" in the late summer of
1970, they admitted they'd never heard of that song. "But, wow,
that Arthur Lee......" Bobster
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 02:08:02 -0000
From: Bill Craig
Subject: Rinaldo Bros coffeehouse gig
My band, The Legendary Rinaldo Brothers will be doing a gig at:
Beantowne Gourmet
86 West Allendale Ave
Allendale NJ
this Friday October 8, from 8 till 11
Our playlist will include:
Walk Away Renee
Baby The Rain Must Fall
Sloop John B
When You Walk In The Room
I Can't Find The Time
Concrete and Clay
Young Love
Bluebirds Over The Mountain
Sway
Along Comes Mary
Ruby Baby
Lonesome Town
Blame It On The Bossa Nova(no kidding)
Grizzly Bear
My Home Town(Paul Anka)
Love Minus Zero
San Francisco Bay Blues
This Boy
California Dreaming
Sunshine Superman
Get Together
Sugar Shack
Mack The Knife
Did You Ever Have To Make Up Your Mind
House Of Bamboo
Memories Are Made Of This
Scotch And Soda
Sixteen Tons
No cover charge, various coffee and dessert items available.
Any S'poppers interested can contact me off list or just stop in if
you don't need directions.
Hope to see and meet some of y'all there.
Bill Craig
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:48:21 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Critters Second LP
Enoch Light presents The Critters on Project 3...Just reissued on LP
format. AND as I was listening to the Bobby Vee double CD I heard him
do "Let's Call It A Day Girl." Great song lyrically and melodically. I
remember it being discussed here a while back. Who did the hit
version?? Thanks in advance..
Jimmy Bott
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:39:41 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Al Kooper and Dion
Al Kooper wrote:
> And I worked with Dion in 1965 at Columbia playing on an album they
> are gearing up for release now on SONY-Legacy. Carlo from the
> Belmonts played drums.
Al, is that you playing the keys on Dion's "Time in My Heart for You"?
I found that single on a discard pile nearly over 30 years ago and
have loved it dearly ever since. I always assumed that whoever the
musicians on the track were, they were simply trying to emulate the
classic 1965 Dylan sound that you and Mike Bloomfield originated. It
would be amazing for me to learn that it was you all along!
In any case, it's a very affecting song and a beautiful arrangement.
Mike
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:19:16 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Jimmy Gallagher; Dion; "Wolf of Manhattan" help, please
Al Kooper:
> The Passions were managed by a guy named Jim Gribble out of 1697
> B'way which is the Ed Sullivan building. I would do some work for
> Gribble so I'd bump into The Passions. An Irish guy named Jimmy
> sang lead for them. Also a sweet guy.
That's Jimmy Gallagher, now singing with the Legends of DooWop a/k/a
The Florida Legends, along with Tony Passalacqua (Fascinators), Frank
Mancuso (Imaginations) and Steve Horn (Five Sharks). See them when
you can; they're outstanding.
> And I worked with Dion in 1965 at Columbia playing on an album
> they are gearing up for release now on SONY-Legacy. Carlo from
> the Belmonts played drums.
Is this album generously sampled on the Legacy double CD of a few
years back?
The Kingsmen's "The Wolf of Manhattan," reissued on the Best Of Vol 3
on Sundazed, has a label scan showing it as Wand 1154. I seem to
remember seeing it as Wand 1147-C, an alternate B-side to that release.
Can anyone confirm or deny that conclusively, please? Thanks.
Country Paul
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:59:29 +0100
From: Richard Williams
Subject: Re: ...and even a poem written to me by Jack Kerouac...
Claire Francis wrote:
> ...and even a poem written to me by Jack Kerouac...
Now THAT sounds like a story worth telling. More, please!
Re Claire's request for stuff by Sonny Childe: somewhere I have an
advance acetate of a Polydor 45 by Sonny Childe and the TNT, given to
me by their manager one night in 1967 ( I think) at the Beachcomber
Club in Nottingham. I'll look it out. If you want it, Claire, it's
yours.
Richard Williams
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:07:24 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: Beg, Borrow & Steal
Various posts on the same topic:
Dave Monroe:
> I wonder if any one here can confirm/deny that there is at least
> subtle difference betwixt The Rare Breed's and The Ohio Express'
> releases of "Beg, Borrow and Steal," despite common wisdom about
> them having been identical tracks, simply attributed in turn to
> different artists. I've long been convinced that the Rare Breed
> release has a more insistent rhythm track, more pounding, more
> bass-heavy, and not necessarily and effect of various pressings.
> Help! Thanks ...
Well, I own the Attack 45 as well as the Cameo-Parkway 45..I A/B'd
them and there is no difference between the tracks. Possibly some
minor aural tweaking, but the tracks are identical.
Incidentally, the Rare Breed, long thought to be based in the
Brooklyn/Bronx area, might have been from Iowa. Spotted a photo and
blurb in a trade mag from the spring of 1966, when the Rare Breed
track was released.
You can blame Neil Bogart for the "theft", as it was his insistence
to release "Beg Borrow And Steal" as is, rather than have the Ohio
Express re-record the tune.
Mike M.
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If they are two different takes, then they kept that bass totally
out of tune on both takes!
John Fox
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It's the same recording. Cameo might have done some filtering, but
it's the same.
Barry in Mn.
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As you probably have also, I have both 45s. They do not sound the
same to me, the differences as subtle as they might be to some are
still differences to me. Of course my ears are not the best anymore
but I do believe there are differences in the two recordings. One
man's deaf opinion :)
Orion
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I never heard any difference between the Rare Breed and the Ohio
Express version released on Cameo #483. If there is a difference,
I suppose I would have to listen more carefully to hear the subtle
differences that Dave Monroe hears.
However, there is a killer version of "Beg, Borrow & Steal" that
Cameo released prior to the Ohio Express release on Cameo. The
version by the Demotrons, Cameo 456, is great! I may have played
this on my XM show, not sure, if so it may still be audio archived
at www.davetherave.com.
Dave the Rave
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:24:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Sylvan
Mark Maldwyn wrote:
> Does anyone know the history and whereabouts of Sylvan? She has
> a track on the RPM CD Dream Babes 3. A great production with
> fantastic etheral vocals about a suicide pact! 'We Don't Belong'...
At least the first three volumes of those Dreambabes comps were
selected by St. Etienne's Bob Stanley ...
http://www.cherryred.co.uk/rpm/artists/variousdreambabes.htm
And see as well his (or, rather, perhaps, their) Mario's Cafe
and The Trip comps. If there's one guy in the world whose record
collection I wish I had ... but hey, here's Sylvan's very own home
page: http://www.sylvanmason.com/
Her musical career: http://www.sylvanmason.com/songs.htm
Her e-mail address: smile@sylvanmason.com
And, while I'm at it, her father wrote the Thunderball screenplay:
http://www.sylvanmason.com/thunderball/thunderball-years.htm
But what I want to know is, where can I get a copy of Jeannie's "I
Love Him" (Dreambabes Vol. 2) on vinyl? Help! Again! Thanks ...
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:15:55 EDT
From: Claire Francis
Subject: Re: Tony May
Rashkovsky, please tell Tony for me that I know how he feels. It ain't
over till the angels sing! I recorded his song because I loved it. I
didn't do it justice then, but I would love to try one of his songs
one more time. I think I sing better now. A little raspy, but hey,
raspy's good.
Just Watch Us Happen!!!!! The old Polydor motto that I coined in '65.
Love & Light,
Claire Francis (aka Claire Brightwater)
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 01:06:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: Floyd Cramer licks
John Fox:
>In the golden era of crossover country (1961-1963),
>it seems like Floyd is playing on about every other
>song that hit the top 40. It would be great to have
>a list of top 40 songs that Floyd played on.
Well, Patsy's "Crazy" has gotta be number 1...
As much as Norah Jones is positioned as a jazz artist,
it's clear that Floyd Cramer is a big influence too:
her piano solo on "Don't Know Why" has Floyd written
all over it.
S
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:04:41 EDT
From: Howard Earnshaw
Subject: Re: Decca/MCA
MCA must have gained rights to release Decca material (!?)
I recall Jean Carter "Like One", Decca, being reissued in the
USA on MCA....
Howard..
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 04:48:58 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Carol Jarvis
Joe Rickstone wrote:
> One hit (sort of) "Rebel" b/w "Whirlpool of Love" on Dot Records
> in 1957. I am interested in any info on her career, recording
> sessions, and what she did when the contracts dried up. I've seen
> small bio info suggesting Carol was the daughter of L.A. radio
> personality Al Jarvis, but I'm not sure that's true.
Are we talkin' Connie Questell here or what?
JB
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:33:11 +0100
From: Chris King
Subject: Da Doo Ron Ron's 6th Birthday
Dear fellow Spectropoppers
I hope you don't mind me mentioning my 60s girl group club night,
Da Doo Ron Ron's 6th Birthday. Many thanks for your indulgence.
Chris 'Da Doo' King
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Somewhat incredibly, DA DOO RON RON - the one and only 60s girl
group club Est. Oct 1998 - celebrates its SIXTH (Yes, now we are 6!)
Birthday on SATURDAY 16th OCTOBER with an extra special sashay through
the femme-centric side of the swingin' 60s @ the Sussex Arts Club 7,
Ship St, Brighton, East Sussex, BN1. Tel:-01273-778020 / 727371.
Expect balloons and party frolics plus the usual smorgasbord of
femme-tabulous sixties tuneage.
9pm to 2am. Pay a fiver before 11pm. £6 after.
E-mail:- me OR info@sussexarts.com
website:-http://dadooronronclub.com
"A summer-flavoured selection of class female acts from The Ronettes
to The Flirtations, The Supremes to Shirley Bassey and more besides.
Time to get with the girls and frug".
The Guardian - Clubs 'Pick Of The Week' - June 2004
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:51:16 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Louise Cordet - In a Matter of Moments
Kees Van Der Hoeven:
> ... (Louise Cordet) sings the John D Loudermilk song In a Matter
> of Moments ...
So I guess she only needed one take.
gem
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:51:00 -0000
From: John Sellards
Subject: Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia
Barry:
> Pres: Your fondness for "Nothing Takes The Place Of You" is
> great, but do you know that there are hundreds of amazing deep
> soul ballads that were recorded at that time?
By the way, the version of "Nothing Takes The Place of You" on
the soundtrack to Hairspray is in echoey, rechanneled stereo...
the original single is in very dry, close-miked mono. Has that
original mono mix ever come out on CD?
John Sellards
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 04:53:58 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia
Barry wrote:
> Pres: Your fondness for "Nothing Takes The Place Of You" is
> great, but do you know that there are hundreds of amazing deep
> soul ballads that were recorded at that time?
True, but "Nothing Takes The Place Of You" LP has been reissued
with the original Ronn cover.
JB
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:24:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: Chilling Lyrics
Al Kooper wrote:
> Lyrics that kill me: "Bernadette" (Holland-Dozier-Holland)
Al,
I remember seeing you on some late show with Tom Snyder where you
extolled the virtues of this song. Gave me a whole new appreciation.
Such a powerful lyric was fully nailed by the Levi Stubbs vocal. This
is a good example of why great songs are often not covered; only a
fool would want to compete with the original.
Robert Pingel
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:34:03 +0200
From: Niels
Subject: Re: Tony May
Mick Patrick:
> Tony May was a US songwriter whose name is known to me via numerous
> great soul records on RCA, frequently in conjunction with Larry
> Banks. Is there a US version of "Here I Go Again", I wonder?
Al Kooper:
> Tony May was a black engineer at a studio (Adelphi - 1650 B´way) where
> I was an apprentice engineer. He wrote songs on the side and I played
> on some of his demos in exchange for engineering lessons.
My knowledge of Tony May - presuming it is the same Tony May -
dates to the early 70s, where he was an outstanding engineer,
working on among other albums, Moondance by Van Morrison. But it
seems hard to believe, there could be two different engineers
called Tony May.
Niels.
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:49:20 +0200
From: Sebastian Fonzeus
Subject: Re: Nothing takes the place... on CD
John Sellards:
>By the way, the version of "Nothing Takes The Place of You" on
>the soundtrack to Hairspray is in echoey, rechanneled stereo...
>the original single is in very dry, close-miked mono. Has that
>original mono mix ever come out on CD?
Yes, it's available on "Dave Godin's Deep Soul Treasures Volume 2"
on Kent.
Take care.
Sebastian
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Message: 26
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: "Breaking Away" or "I'm Breaking Away"
Mike the Bass Player wrote:
> Only heard this song once or twice but it's been
> haunting me since the early 80's.
Maybe the cover by Tracy Ullman of Jackie DeShannon's
tune? Came out on Stiff.
Steve Harvey
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