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There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Critters Second LP
From: Various
2. The Virginia Wolves: Rose Peddles ...
From: Phil X Milstein
3. Re: Critters Second LP
From: C. Ponti
4. Re: Tony May
From: Mike Rashkow
5. The Angels
From: Barry
6. Herb Alpert's vocals
From: Phil X Milstein
7. Re: Arrangers - Carole King
From: Michael Sinclair
8. Re: Sylvan
From: Mark Maldwyn
9. Re: Beg, Borrow & Steal
From: Phil X Milstein
10. Bert Weedon & "Apache"
From: Phil X Milstein
11. Re: Pop music as fine art.
From: Austin Roberts
12. Re: Arrangers - Carole King
From: James Botticelli
13. Re: Beg, Borrow & Steal
From: Dave Monroe
14. Re: Nothing takes the place... on CD
From: Shawn Nagy
15. Re: Chilling Lyrics
From: Steve Harvey
16. Re: French EP's
From: Dave Monroe
17. Terry Phillips / Virginia Wolves
From: Austin Roberts
18. Re: The Angels
From: Jeff Lemlich
19. I'm back, baby!
From: Jack Madani
20. Re: Herb Alpert's vocals
From: Mike Rashkow
21. Re: Good Vibes changes
From: Robert
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:31:56 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: Critters Second LP
James Botticelli wrote:
> Enoch Light presents The Critters on Project 3...Just reissued
> on LP format. AND as I was listening to the Bobby Vee double CD
> I heard him do "Let's Call It A Day Girl." Great song lyrically
> and melodically. I remember it being discussed here a while back.
> Who did the hit version?? Thanks in advance..
POW 101 - The Razor's Edge
Let's Call It A Day Girl/Avril (April)
both sides written by Irwin Levine and Neil Sheppard.
Max Weiner:
James,
The Razor's Edge had a hit version of this song
Davie Gordon:
The Razor's Edge (Pow! 101) 06/66
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:56:06 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: The Virginia Wolves: Rose Peddles ...
Not long ago Austin Roberts mentioned an early group of his named The
Virginia Wolves, who cut a single for ABC in 1967, which I believe was
his first-ever release. The A-side was an update of a McHugh-Gaskill
non-standard titled "I Can't Believe That You're In Love With Me"; the
flip an A.R. original (published under his birth name of George
Robertson) titled "Rose Peddles Everywhere She Goes." Both were produced
by Terry Philips, who besides his work with Austin Roberts is also the
one degree of separation bridging the careers of Phil Spector and Lou Reed.
Enjoy "Rose Peddles" now at musica. When I asked Austin for his OK to
post the track, he replied, "Please just tell folks it was cut in 1967,
when I had very little if any experience with the business." Duly noted,
Austin, but perhaps if we all click our heels together or something you
can conjure up a few more memories of the group, session and/or release
of The Virginia Wolves 45.
--Phil M.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:44:34 -0000
From: C. Ponti
Subject: Re: Critters Second LP
James Botticelli wrote:
> Enoch Light presents The Critters on Project 3...Just reissued
> on LP format.
Wasn't The Critters' album called Touch And Go? I remember the title
song..."touch 'n go, the girl don't show me, any kind of love at
all"...
C. Ponti
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:45:01 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Tony May
Correction to my previous re: Tony May
His wife's name was Harriett (sp?) not Henrietta.
And for the sake of completeness, Tony's full name is
Ross Anthony May; initials to conjur with:-)
Di la,
Raskvovsky
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:57:53 -0500
From: Barry
Subject: The Angels
Does anybody know an amazingly hot single by The Angels,
"You're The Cause Of It" on RCA? When I found a copy of
this obscure single, I was floored. Who said Girl Groups
weren't still recording forward-thinking, hot stuff after
the British Invasion?
Barry in Minneapolis
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:02:59 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Herb Alpert's vocals
Does anyone know of the existence of a listing of Herb Alpert's vocals
on record? If not, is there anyone who might be willing to help me start
compiling one? The singing of his that I've heard is among the most
sublime in the entire canon of pop, and, from what I've heard of his
trumpet playing, I'm mystified as to how he could've chosen the latter
on which to focus his career.
--Phil M.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:02:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Sinclair
Subject: Re: Arrangers - Carole King
Robert Pingel wrote:
> As a meaningless mental exercise I decided to make
> a top 10 list of the best musical arrangers from the
> 60's........
If Carole King is respectfully mentioned, then why the
the dickens was Jimmy Webb's name omitted???
Mark Wirtz
http://www.markwirtz.com
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:27:51 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: Re: Sylvan
Thanks for the Sylvan information. I now know she also co-wrote
such songs as It's Not Unusual and is a talented songwriter and
photographer.
Mark M
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:07:10 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Beg, Borrow & Steal
Dave The Rave wrote:
> However, there is a killer version of "Beg, Borrow & Steal" that
> Cameo released prior to the Ohio Express release on Cameo. The
> version by the Demotrons, Cameo 456, is great! I may have played
> this on my XM show, not sure, if so it may still be audio archived
> at www.davetherave.com.
Any chance you could play this one to musica? I imagine there's many of
us who'd love to hear it!
Yeah,
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:37:51 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Bert Weedon & "Apache"
I recently acquired a dub of Bert Weedon playing "Apache." I am aware
that he debuted this song, but I wonder if he mightn't've also
rerecorded it at some point later in his career. All versions of
"Apache" that I've heard are pretty similar to one another, hence I'd
assumed they'd followed Weedon's pretty closely, but the arrangement on
this one is unique enough to cause me to wonder if he hadn't tried to
"reinvent" it (somewhat, as it's not THAT different) somewhere down the
road. Any Weedonophiles who could help me out on this matter?
Thanks,
--Phil M.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:30:12 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Pop music as fine art.
> Previously:
> Geez, get real, folks -- popular music is no more "(fine) art"
> than even the most skilfully painted graffiti is. It is not rocket
> science, or a religion, or a human condition altering phenomenon.
> It may even be a form of psychic medication, but it is not medicine!
> It's entertainment. That's all. And that's a lot!
Putting it as simply as possible: God gives us each a gift or, with
some, more than one. We are to learn to use that gift and learn to
get it to the point of it being a Craft. Michaelangelo, Beethoven,
Robert Frost (3 of the more familiar gifted people) created art.
Many musicians, modern day as well, create their form of art that is
enjoyed by many. Were it not a gift first, then hard work to develop
it, perhaps it could be called something else. I feel that there are
people in their fields today that are as gifted and as hard working
with their gift as to be called artists and therefore creators of ART.
Some of these Artists are, at least in my mind, as gifted in what they
do as the great composers, lyricists, actors, painters etc. of the past.
One man's opinion.
AR
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:34:35 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Arrangers - Carole King
Mark Wirtz:
> If Carole King is respectfully mentioned, then why the dickens
> was Jimmy Webb's name omitted???
I found a copy of Neil Sedaka's 1982 autobio at a thrift shop in
Connecticut this past summer...He and Carole were quite an item once
upon a time. I guess 'Oh Carol' comes from that one......Pretty good
story BTW.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:22:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Beg, Borrow & Steal
> Well, I own the Attack 45 as well as the Cameo-
> Parkway 45..I A/B'd them and there is no difference
> between the tracks. Possibly some minor aural
> tweaking, but the tracks are identical.
Well, I've recalled precisely what I believe the
difference to be, but it's one that emerges on a CD
comp (Bubblegum Classics Vol. 2, maybe? My CD
collection is currently in storage). There's a little
bass fillip at the end of those I-IV-V-IV progressions
during the verses on what's credited as the Rare Breed
version (on, at leats, that comp) that's either simply
not so pronounced, or that I simply still fail to
notice, on the Ohio Express 45. This I imagine is an
artifact of the CD mastering, then, if it's not simply
a figment of my imagination entirely. So tahnks for
performing the taste test, AND for further info ...
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:08:19 -0000
From: Shawn Nagy
Subject: Re: Nothing takes the place... on CD
The UK label "Westside" released Toussaint's LP, Singles &
unreleased tracks on "The Ronn recordings" CD a few years back.
I got my copy through Midnight Records (NY) online. Off masters,
sounds great.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:04:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Chilling Lyrics
There was a good story in Mojo last year where either
Holland or Dozier talked about a crush they had on
this little Italian girl back in grade school. Years
later they saw this woman walking down the sidewalk
dragging along four or five kids and it was Bernadette!
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:16:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: French EP's
Tom:
> I meant to say it wasn't the track on the EP that
> was marked out to be the hit, if you know what I
> mean. It wasn't the "plug side". Two track singles
> were often issued in France for jukebox and other
> promotional use, but usually these came without
> picture sleeves.
I'm under the impression that perhaps the two-track 45
was more the province of certain labels as well. I've
no end of, say, picture-sleeved Disques Vogue 4-track
EPs, but my AZ stuff, on the other hand, consists, off
the top of my head, largely of two-track 45s. And
some of those did come with picture sleeves, whether
or not those sleeves made it all the way to me (Uta's
"Baudelaire" comes to mind). This seems true of some
of the other smaller-label stuff I have, but, in
general, I think your generalization stands ...
FrankM:
> There's a current craze within mod and EZy DJ's for
> foreign cover versions of sixties UK and US dance
> stuff. Our local university radio station
> (www.subcity.org) has a French DJ, Marjore, who in
> the middle of a bunch of French hip Hop will "drop",
> as they say, an old sixties YeYe track.
I've actually often worked my way back from a
Francophone cover to the English-language original,
not always an easy task as, again, French covers
aren't always straight translations. David Alexandre
Winter's "Qu'est-ce que j'ai dansé!" (Archie Bell &
The Drells' "I Can't Stop Dancing") was one thing, but
Gil Now's "Dis-Le Moi" (Dean Parrish's "Skate") ...
Although he sings in English, a recent favorite of
mine in this regard is Vigon, who I've taken to
describing as The Tom Jones of Morocco. I've sbeen
spinning his covers of Bob & Earl's "Baby, Your Time
is My Time" and Eddie Purrell's "The Spoiler," but he
also does a decent "Harlem Shuffle" ...
> The Scopitones site is featuring Richard Anthony,
> Claude Francois and Johnny Halliday at:
> http://scopitones.com/scopitone_of_the_day_archive.html
The first couple of French ones in particular are well
worth looking into ...
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:53:11 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Terry Phillips / Virginia Wolves
Phil Milstein:
> Enjoy "Rose Peddles" now at musica. When I asked Austin for his OK to
> post the track, he replied, "Please just tell folks it was cut in 1967,
> when I had very little if any experience with the business." Duly noted,
> Austin, but perhaps if we all click our heels together or something you
> can conjure up a few more memories of the group, session and/or release
> of The Virginia Wolves 45.
Phil, I remember Terry Phillips wanting to cut I Can't Believe in the
direction of the Happenings, who were hot at that time; although I don't
think it's all that much like them. He liked Rose Peddles as a bubblegum
B side in case radio stations liked it better.
I don't remember the actual session. Terry had taken an interest in me
as a writer\singer around 1965, I think, which gave me some confidence
that I needed as we all do. I had been singing Blue Eyed Soul with a
buddy of mine named Johnny Reese from Hampton, Va., so I called us the
Virginia Wolves and dragged him into the studio in NYC screaming. Not
really, but he'd had a lot less experience with recording than me, and
I'd just gotten started.
The funny aside to this, which I may have mentioned before, is, that I
was at Parris Island (Marine Boot Camp; oh boy) at the time of the
record's release (1967), and the Drill Instructors went through our
mail. They called me out in front of the Platoon and made me read the
Billboard revue and then made me eat it. The Marines are kind of
serious.
What a great way to have your first single release.
An older Ex Marine, AR
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 00:09:25 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: The Angels
Barry:
> Does anybody know an amazingly hot single by The Angels,
> "You're The Cause Of It" on RCA? When I found a copy of
> this obscure single, I was floored.
Barry, was this song written by Trade Martin? If so, I have a
version by the Lovables on Toot (which I believe may have been
Martin's label).
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:54:53 -0400
From: Jack Madani
Subject: I'm back, baby!
So my school installed the latest version of the email server, and badda
bing badda boom, all of a sudden I can get spectropop digests again! As
Strong Bad would say, Holy Crap! As Homestar would say, Seriously!
This is great, I'm so glad to be back amongst the muscially likeminded.
Recent musical purchases:
Rhino Handmade's "Come To The Sunshine: Soft Pop Nuggets from the WEA
Vaults"
The Addrisi Brothers' "Never My Love: The Lost Album Sessions"
Michele Lee's "Taste of the Fantastic/L. David Sloane & Other Hits" twofer.
So: was L. David Sloane originally a tune that was meant for Doris Day?
It sure sounds like it could've been a perfect match for Terry Melcher's
Mom.
Jack
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:20:10 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Herb Alpert's vocals
Phil Milstein:
> Does anyone know of the existence of a listing of Herb Alpert's vocals
> on record? If not, is there anyone who might be willing to help me start
> compiling one? The singing of his that I've heard is among the most
> sublime in the entire canon of pop, and, from what I've heard of his
> trumpet playing, I'm mystified as to how he could've chosen the latter
> on which to focus his career.
Someone give Milstein a saliva test.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 05:13:30 -0000
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Good Vibes changes
Actually, if you listen to the Good Vibrations early version and
outtakes on the Smiley Smile CD, you'll see that the lyrics used
on the new SMiLE are actually the original lyrics. "She's already
workin' on my brain........"
Rob
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