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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The Angels' "You're The Cause Of It"
From: Davie Gordon
2. SMiLE Week
From: rsmko
3. Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia with Bessie Banks
From: Pres
4. Re: Decca / MCA
From: Davie Gordon
5. "Homemade Aeroplane"; Live Steam
From: ACJ
6. Re: Michael Rabon & Choctaw
From: Clark Besch
7. Re: Carol Jarvis / Connie Questell
From: Joe Strigle
8. Re: Herb Alpert's vocals
From: Austin Roberts
9. Re: The Virginia Wolves: Rose Peddles ...
From: Chris
10. Re: Herb Alpert's vocals
From: Matt Spero
11. Re: The Ubiquitous Floyd Cramer
From: Clark Besch
12. "Love Trap" by T.D. Valentine
From: Al Kooper
13. Re: Beg, Borrow & Steal / Rare Breed
From: Gary Myers
14. Tommy Sawyer and the Twains now playing in Musica
From: Tom D.
15. Carol Jarvis; Floyd Cramer
From: Country Paul
16. MCA / Decca
From: Al Kooper
17. The Angels
From: Al Kooper
18. Me 'n' Dion
From: Al Kooper
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:06:58 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: The Angels' "You're The Cause Of It"
Barry wrote:
> Does anybody know an amazingly hot single by The Angels, "You're
> The Cause Of It" on RCA? When I found a copy of this obscure
> single, I was floored. Who said Girl Groups weren't still
> recording forward-thinking, hot stuff after the British Invasion?
Barry, haven't heard the Angels' version but it was also recorded
by The Loveables (Toot 605, 1968). Trade Martin's name is all over
that label which makes me think the Loveables version was the
original - although to be fair there's only a few months between
them.
Davie
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:12:59 -0000
From: rsmko
Subject: SMiLE Week
Hey group, What a splendid listening week the last one was. Thank
you Bri, Dari and Vandy. It'd been quite awhile since something
of that magnitude had blown me mind's ears. I'd almost forgotten
what that was like, didn't y'all here?
Brush 'em like crazy
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:28:12 -0400
From: Pres
Subject: Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia with Bessie Banks
John Sellards:
> By the way, the version of "Nothing Takes The Place of You" on the
> soundtrack to Hairspray is in echoey, rechanneled stereo... the
> original single is in very dry, close-miked mono. Has that original
> mono mix ever come out on CD?
The sound on just about every track on the Hairspray soundtrack sounds
like crap. Rhino's "Beg Scream & Shout" box claims that they used the
mono single version. It's definitely more "crisp". Also in that
package is "I"m Blue" but the distortion heard on Hairspray is much
more prominent. Was that in the original single or tape damage?
Barry:
> Pres: Your fondness for "Nothing Takes The Place Of You" is great,
> but do you know that there are hundreds of amazing deep soul ballads
> that were recorded at that time?
I would guess that there are thousands. Not being born at the time
NTTPOY was released, I'm still trying to catch up.
Now that Bessie has entered discussion, as much as I love "Go Now",
I've come to love the flip "It Sounds Like My Baby" even more.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:00:17 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: Decca / MCA
Howard:
> MCA must have gained rights to release Decca material (!?)
Hmm - not quite. MCA (Music Corporation of America) in the US owned
the US Decca group of labels (Decca, Coral, Brunswick, Vocalion etc)
- the UK licence for MCA owned material was with the UK Decca label
which was a different UK-owned company. The licensing deal expired
in late '67 or early '68 - MCA couldn't use the Decca name in the UK
because over here it was owned by the UK Decca label - so they used
their US corporate name MCA - the first time MCA had been used as
the name for a label. US Decca was eventually wound up in the US in
'73 and replaced there by MCA. That's the simplified version - the
full version would drive you to drink :-)
Davie
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:45:00 -0400
From: ACJ
Subject: "Homemade Aeroplane"; Live Steam
Two silly questions. First, does anyone here - especially British
members - recall a song called "Homemade Aeroplane," recorded by a
British female singer sometime in the late '60s / very early '70s?
It was the soundtrack to a film clip showing various airplanes
(none homemade) taking off and landing, shown several times on the
US children's TV show "Captain Kangaroo."
Second, was any S'popper involved - either onstage or offstage -
with the "real" version of the group Steam that was formed in the
wake of the huge success of "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye"?
ACJ
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 04:59:57 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Michael Rabon & Choctaw
Brent, indeed the US Males 45 is "beloved" by me! Also is Choctaw's
1972 single, "Let Your Light Shine On" which I described to Michael
Rabon as sounding like a country Badfinger style, to which he agreed!
Clark
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:00:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Strigle
Subject: Re: Carol Jarvis / Connie Questell
I wrote:
> One hit (sort of) "Rebel" b/w "Whirlpool of Love" on Dot Records
> in 1957. I am interested in any info on her career, recording
> sessions, and what she did when the contracts dried up. I've seen
> small bio info suggesting Carol was the daughter of L.A. radio
> personality Al Jarvis, but I'm not sure that's true.
Jimmy Botticelli:
> Are we talkin' Connie Questell here or what?
I'm sorry for my ignorance, JB, I'm new to the board (I shoulda
mentioned that in the above post) and I don't understand your comment.
What/who is a Connie Questell?
JRS
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:17:18 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Herb Alpert's vocals
Phil M:
> Does anyone know of the existence of a listing of Herb Alpert's
> vocals on record? If not, is there anyone who might be willing
> to help me start compiling one? The singing of his that I've
> heard is among the most sublime in the entire canon of pop, and,
> from what I've heard of his trumpet playing, I'm mystified as to
> how he could've chosen the latter on which to focus his career.
This Guy's In Love With You had a lot of Bacharach window dressing.
It was no Lonely Bull, talent wise, in my humble opinion.
Austin (love the "Taste Of Honey") Roberts
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:47:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Chris
Subject: Re: The Virginia Wolves: Rose Peddles ...
Previously:
> The A-side was an update of a McHugh-Gaskill non-standard titled
> "I Can't Believe That You're In Love With Me," flip an A.R.
> original (published under his birth name of George Robertson)
> titled "Rose Peddles Everywhere She Goes."
Kindly explain your use of the phrase "non-standard" in connection
with a song which has been recorded by Louis Armstrong, Count Basie
with Jimmy Rushing, Sidney Bechet, Tony Bennett, Benny Carter, June
Christy, Nat "King" Cole, Bing Crosby, Duke Ellington, Ella
Fitzgerald, The Four Freshmen, Connie Francis, The Erroll Garner Trio,
Dexter Gordan, Lionel Hampton, Coleman Hawkins, Billie Holiday,
Morgana King, Herbie Mann, Dean Martin, Johnny Mathis, Yehudi Menuhin
& Stephane Grapelli, Gerry Mulligan & Lee Konitz, The Red Norvo Trio,
Anita O'Day with Stan Kenton, Les Paul, Oscar Peterson, Andre Previn
in his trio days, Louis Prima, Django Reinhardt, Diana Schuur, Artie
Shaw, Frank Sinatra, Mel Torme, T-Bone Walker, Dinah Washington, and
Lester Young -- among others.
Film-noir fans might remember the use of "I Can't Believe That You're
In Love With Me' in Edgar G. Ulmer's "Detour." Me, I like my
recording of this 1926 song performed by Anita O'Day and the
Kentonians.
Chris
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:36:01 EDT
From: Matt Spero
Subject: Re: Herb Alpert's vocals
Phil Milstein:
> Does anyone know of the existence of a listing of Herb Alpert's
> vocals on record? If not, is there anyone who might be willing
> to help me start compiling one? The singing of his that I've
> heard is among the most sublime in the entire canon of pop, and,
> from what I've heard of his trumpet playing, I'm mystified as to
> how he could've chosen the latter on which to focus his career.
I have always liked the regional hit "Mexican Drummer Man" by Herb
Alpert on A&M . . . . does ANYONE have a STEREO version of this . .
. as far as I know it was only a single and not on an album.
Matt Spero
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 05:22:31 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: The Ubiquitous Floyd Cramer
I've been listening to the New Colony 6 a lot lately (forever, for
that matter!) and for the first time, have realized how great the
piano playing is on so many otheir 45s! One in particular, "I Could
Never Lie To You", to me, sounds like Floyd Cramer's style. I doubt
he would have played on this, but am wondering if new Colony member,
Chuck Jobes, played the piano on the record. He is listed as player
of various keyboards as well as arranging strings and horns and
singing lead on one song and cowriter of a few of the songs on
"Attacking the Straw Man". Yet, the piano is important on many NC6
songs before he joined for this album. If he did the piano intros
on "Barbara, I Love You", "Long Time to be Alone", "Never be Lonely"
as well as keyboard on "People and me" as well as piano on the above
listed song, he was quite a master at it and can perform quite a
variety of styles quite well! Clark
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 03:48:55 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: "Love Trap" by T.D. Valentine
Simon White:
> BTW Al, I rather like 'Love Trap" by T.D. Valentine - one of your
> songs. Tell us the story, go on!
It is such a bizarre story you have chosen, Simon. Sandy Linzer was
a pal of mine who had a staff job for awhile producing at Epic.
Sandy was also a songwriter of note having written a few Four Season
hits. His co-writer was often arranger Denny Randall. Sandy picked
one of my songs for this "new" artist he was recording. We all knew
the guy as a limousine-service owner that we would bump into from
time to time. The record was a bomb, but TD Valentine then went into
personal management and ended up managing a white soul group that
made a lot of money for him. He was then asked to run the biggest
record company in the world. He married one of the biggest acts on
the label and she lived in his "Love Trap" for not that long......
by now you must realize that T.D Valentine was.....Tommy Motolla!
Aye, small world, mate. He managed Hall & Oates, ran SONY, and
married Mariah Carey, now he's quietly disappearing while trying to
figure out the secret of Clive Davis' longevity.
Al Kooper
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:16:08 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Beg, Borrow & Steal / Rare Breed
Previously:
> ... the Rare Breed, long thought to be based in the Brooklyn/Bronx
> area, might have been from Iowa.
FWIW, they are not included in Tom Tourville's Iowa book.
gem
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 06:07:07 -0000
From: Tom D.
Subject: Tommy Sawyer and the Twains now playing in Musica
A while back I said I would try to upload one track from the Diamond
records catalog to musica per week. I havent exactly kept up with
that, but for the next week or so in musica is the rare Diamond B-
side, How Deep Is The Ocean (the Irving Berlin song) by a group
called Tommy Sawyer and the Twains. Who this group was, I have no
clue. The A side (Fifteenth Down The Line) was written by Bob Hirsch,
but that doesn't necessarily mean he was a member of this
group.....I'd date this track to sometime in early 1962. Enjoy!
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:21:59 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Carol Jarvis; Floyd Cramer
Joe Rickstone re: Carol Jarvis"
> One hit (sort of) "Rebel" b/w "Whirlpool of Love" on Dot Records in
> 1957. I am interested in any info on her career, recording sessions,
> and what she did when the conttracts dried up. I've seen small bio
> info suggesting Carol was the daughter of L.A. radio personality Al
> Jarvis, but I'm not sure that's true.
I loved that record when it was new - and I was, too. She appeared on
American Bandstand October 15, 1957. John Tefteller ("World's Rarest
Records") lists another one:
"Lover Boy"/"My Heart Has A Mind Of Its Own,” Ditto 101
see photo at http://tinyurl.com/6modr
Other 45s include:
"My Private Dream"/"Give Him A Kiss For Me," Era 3043
"Boy Crazy" - no other info found
"Careless Love"/"Lit'Red Rooster" - Dot
Stewart Mason:
> As much as Norah Jones is positioned as a jazz artist, it's clear
> that Floyd Cramer is a big influence too: her piano solo on "Don't
> Know Why" has Floyd written all over it.
Cramer was the best-known purveyor of the style (suspended choral
note a 4th or 5th above) that has become associated with him, but
I remember reading that it originated with Don Robertson.
Claire Francis, great Ringo story. Thanks!
Country Paul
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 04:18:07 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: MCA / Decca
> MCA must have gained rights to release Decca material (!?)
> I recall Jean Carter "Like One", Decca, being reissued in the USA
> on MCA....
MCA bought Decca & Coral in the late 50's/early 60's I believe
before there was actually an MCA label logo.
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 04:32:11 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: The Angels
Previously:
> There was a good story in Mojo last year where either Holland or
> Dozier talked about a crush they had on this little Italian girl
> back in grade school. Years later they saw this woman walking down
> the sidewalk dragging along four or five kids and it was Bernadette!
Reminds me of a crush I used to have on The Angels circa '63-'64. I'd
bump into them all the time in the lobby of 1650 B'way. Then a few
years ago I was in a bookstore looking through a book that had Now &
Then photos of sixties acts. I literally dropped the book when I saw
The Angels now - they looked like my mothers old Mah Jong group!!! I
never touched that book again, much less bought it. And I'm not
saying the same thing could happen to someone who saw the same setup
for me - but I'll never forget that unangelic moment in a bookstore
in Harvard Square, MA.
This Al Kooper
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 04:10:59 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Me 'n' Dion
Mike McKay:
> Al, is that you playing the keys on Dion's "Time in My Heart for
> You"? I found that single on a discard pile nearly over 30 years
> ago and have loved it dearly ever since. I always assumed that
> whoever the musicians on the track were, they were simply trying
> to emulate the classic 1965 Dylan sound that you and Mike Bloomfield
> originated. It would be amazing for me to learn that it was you all
> along!
Why yes, Mike. It was me all along. Another bit of chemistry from
Professor Tom Wilson who hired me for the sessions. Seriously though,
they are putting this stuff out next year on CD.
Me:
> And I worked with Dion in 1965 at Columbia playing on an album
> they are gearing up for release now on SONY-Legacy. Carlo from
> the Belmonts played drums.
Paul:
> Is this album generously sampled on the Legacy double CD of a few
> years back?
And yes to you too Paul. This time it will all get the special care
treatment however.
Al Kooper
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