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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Earl or Hal?
From: Bob Celli
2. Re: I can hear music
From: Andrew Hickey
3. Re: Beg, Borrow & Steal
From: Orion
4. Hal & Earl
From: Michael B Kelly
5. Bill Ballance
From: Dave Feldman
6. Re: Gary Lewis / Love live
From: Bill Mulville
7. Re: Defining genius
From: Phil X Milstein
8. Skeet Bushor
From: Gary Myers
9. Re: Hal & Earl
From: Phil X Milstein
10. Re: L. David Sloane
From: Bob Rashkow
11. Re: Dave Diamond / Find your fave 60's DJ's history!
From: Clark Besch
12. Re: Searchers CDs
From: Clark Besch
13. Re: Scopitones
From: Clark Besch
14. Re: Razors Edge - "Let's Call It A Day Girl"
From: Rich
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:33:12 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Earl or Hal?
I wrote:
> I was reading some old posts from a few years ago and came across a
> question that was never definitively answered in regards to who
> drummed on Bobby Vee's hit, "The Night Has A Thousand Eyes". The
> answer is Earl Palmer. Hal Blaine did session work on the "Live On
> Tour" LP, which included a version of "The Night Has a Thousand Eyes",
> but not the hit version. This may be where the confusion comes from.
Mikey:
> Keep in mind that on many of those songs, Hal AND Earl played. They
> used double drummers sometimes to get a larger drum sound. Most of
> the Jan and Dean tracks feature two drummers.
I don't quite understand what you mean by Hal and Earl playing on
many of those songs. What songs are you referring to? If you are
referring to Bobby Vee songs, I've never heard any mention of those
two guys playing together. The only mention of two drummers on any Vee
session was on "Someday" from the "Meets The Crickets" session. I did
extensive research on who played what on those sessions for the liner
notes on the EMI reissue in 1990. On that song Jerry Allison and Earl
Palmer played together. Earl played on the majority of Vee's sessions,
with J.I. working the balance. After Snuff Garrett and Vee went their
separate ways, many of the musicians changed. That's about the time
Hal Blaine et al came on the scene in regards to Bobby Vee sessions.
Bob Celli
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:54:55 +0100
From: Andrew Hickey
Subject: Re: I can hear music
Richard Hattersley:
> Was Brian really present at the session? I just assumed he wasn't
> because Bruce Johnston says on the Endless Harmony Docu, "That was
> the first record we made without Brian". I guess just because he
> didn't play or sing on it, doesn't mean he wasn't there.
For a long time it was accepted wisdom that Brian had nothing to do
with I Can Hear Music, and I suspect that Bruce is just, as many
people do, remembering things as they are in the books. Brian was
definitely present at the sessions, and I *believe* I can hear his
voice on the track. I think the first record they made with no Brian
involvement was the slightly less illustrious How She Boogalooed It...
> My fave part about that record is Mike Love's "Doh ray me fa so la
> te do" bass line on the tag.
Mine too :)
--
Andrew Hickey and Trevor DeMont headline
International Pop Overthrow, the Cavern, Liverpool
Monday October 25
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 09:36:56 -0500
From: Orion
Subject: Re: Beg, Borrow & Steal
Welcome out of the lurker mode, Bill Pitzonka. It is good to have that
issue resolved as it has been a matter of contention in a couple
different groups. I have to say, I surely thought they were different
versions. I guess it is in what one "wants" to hear instead of what one
really hears. BTW since you are a bubblegumer, any idea who created that
Bubblegum MF series? Peace my friend and again, welcome to the world of
sharing :)
Orion
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:35:53 -0400
From: Michael B Kelly
Subject: Hal & Earl
Mikey:
> Keep in mind that on many of those songs, Hal AND Earl played. They
> used double drummers sometimes to get a larger drum sound. Most of
> the Jan and Dean tracks feature two drummers.
>From "Liberty REcords:"
There was no music more exciting than Jan & Dean’s Liberty records in
1964. The sound effects, the fast tempo, the tight harmonies all made for
terrific music. One thing that made Jan & Dean records so energetic was
that Jan used two trap sets for his sessions. Originally, he had tried
having ace drummer Hal Blaine overdub his drums, playing the same licks
twice, synchronized on tape. Not satisfied with the results, he had Earl
Palmer come to the sessions as well as Hal. Together, they rehearsed
until they were playing their drums in perfect synch. This pioneering
effort on the part of Jan is just one of the things that set Jan & Dean
records apart from other similar records of the era.
Doc
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:39:04 -0400
From: Dave Feldman
Subject: Bill Ballance
New York lost a radio giant when Scott Muni passed away last week.
I wanted to acknowledge the death of another radio great, Bill
Ballance. Although "Billo" was better known in talk radio from the
1970s-1990s, he was a giant at KFWB-AM in Los Angeles. I started
listening to him when he came aboard in 1955, and he was one of the
big stars of the dominant AM station in Los Angeles for many years.
For those unfamiliar with Ballance's wit, I paid a little tribute to
him on my website at
http://www.imponderables.com/archives/000063.php More importantly,
the page has links to a proper obituatry and three long air checks
from 1959, 1960, and 1962.
Dave Feldman
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:09:21 -0500
From: Bill Mulville
Subject: Re: Gary Lewis / Love live
I don't want to sound mean-spirited, but Gary Lewis in concert these
days sounds more like Jerry Lewis is singing on some of the songs. I
love his songs. I just wish there was someway he could turn down the
shrill factor in his voice.
I saw Love and The Zombies at the Park West last night. I had seen
Love last Year on the "Forever Changes" tour with string section.
Arthur had thrown out his back and could barely stand up, but still
gave a great show. This time it was just guitars bass, drums,
harmonica and tambourine. The power of the performance was just
incredible! It was great to hear what amounts to alternate "electric"
takes of the "Forever Changes" material. Other sons included "Signed
DC", Little Red Book", "Orange Skies" and an absolutely blistering
version of "7 and 7 Is". Being new to the Spectropop group I can
appreciate the passion for music info found here. I would second the
motion that anyone who appreciates great music, get out from behind
your keyboard and experience Love live in concert. It's a rare act that
can perform their classic album in two completely different ways and
succeed so brilliantly. This is music from that great era that
thankfully has survived to this day, better than ever. For most groups,
all we have left are the recordings and memories. For Love we have an
experience that is a lot more. The Zombies were also very good. I am a
huge Zombies fan, but Love is just so impressive. It's hard to follow
an act like Love.
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 09:20:45 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Defining genius
Joe Nelson wrote:
> Personally I tend to apply the Ray Charles model that a significant
> measure of humility is absolutely necessary. Thus Charles, who
> rejected the tag, qualifies, whereas Prince, who embraces it, doesn't.
I guess that would leave John Lennon out. Sorry, not buying it -- I'm
all for humility and all, but if a requirement for greatness is in not
knowing that you have it, then it would disqualify James Brown, Little
Richard, and any number of other geniuses who are able to look in the
mirror* and appreciate what they see.
--Phil M.
*No slight on Ray Charles intended!
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:55:23 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Skeet Bushor
Doug Richard:
> ... The Rumbles ... recorded on several labels ... eventually released
> five 45's ... The last three were "Dunwich Productions" produced by
> Skeet Bushor and Jim Koss from the Indy group The Boys Next Door.
Interesting to see Bushor's name pop up here. He was also involved in an
LP (rec. in Chicago) by Judy Jae, an Indianapolis singer who had releases
on a Milwaukee label, and hence, will be in my 2nd WI book.
gem
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:18:50 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Hal & Earl
Michael B Kelly wrote:
> ... Not satisfied with the results, he had Earl Palmer come to the
> sessions as well as Hal. Together, they rehearsed until they were
> playing their drums in perfect synch. This pioneering effort on the
> part of Jan is just one of the things that set Jan & Dean records
> apart from other similar records of the era.
Wow, the thought of Blaine and Palmer playing side-by-side is
terrifically exciting. Do you (Doc) know if any photos of this lineup
exist?
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:28:55 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: L. David Sloane
I think under other circumstances "L. David Sloane" could have fallen
into Nancy Sinatra's hands. I can just hear her saying "Get...off...
my...BACK." (Not as sardonically as Michele Lee does, probably!)
I missed Arthur Lee AND The Zombies. (Sob.) Bobster
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:50:24 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Dave Diamond / Find your fave 60's DJ's history!
Orion wrote:
> Do you know if possibly this Dave Diamond could have worked at WHB
> in Kansas City in the late '60s under the name Dan Diamond? I DJ'd
> there part-time in '68 and '69, during the summer. It is probably
> not the same guy, but Dan Diamond also called his show the "Diamond
> Mine of Solid Hits".
Orion, Hope you'll be at the record convention in Omaha on the 17th.
Would be cool to meet you. If you haven't discovered this amazing
site, here's a site that can keep any 60's radio nut (like me) busy
for hours on end. If YOUR Dan Diamond was really R.T. Dan Hanchey,
then they are different guys. You can find both Diamonds and their
email addresses at this site: http://440int.com/440sat.html
ANYONE who wants to know the history of their fave DJ of the time, I
suggest this site. However, it is not updated too quickly, not all
the email addresses are valid anymore and Orion, if you wish to get
your info on here, I've been told it costs $25 to get your info on!
Hope this helps more than just you at finding their old fave DJs!
Clark
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:15:49 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Searchers CDs
Steve Harvey wrote:
>
> Just picked up two Searchers CDs. One is the live show
> from the Star Klub (some of which came out on vinyl
> years ago) and the other is the Iron Door demos (the
> Searchers' version of the Cavern). Got the Star Klub
> on Bear for $17 and the Iron Door was $12. While both
> will prove interesting to diehard Searcher fans be
> aware that the Iron Door CD is under 23 minutes! $12
> is alot to pay for such a short amount of playing
> time. They should have combined with the Star Klub
> stuff which easily would have fit under 80 minutes.
60's radio was so cool. I have a tape of the Searchers' "Sure Know
A Lot About Love" from the Star Club Lp off radio from back then.
I didn't have an artist mentioned on the tape, so I searched for a
decade before I found that great obscure Lp! Proves that the Brit
invasion did saturate US radio in those days! Funny, but I think I
later noticed that the song was a B side of "Alley Oop" by the
Hollywood Argyles or some other early 60's novelty record. Clark
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:06:14 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Scopitones
Eddy:
> I'm really not that familiar with the making of these Scopitone
> films, but judging by the clips I see on that site, I get the
> impression they were not specifically filmed for Scopitone use.
> To the best of my knowledge at least some of these clips were
> filmed for TV originally (Nancy Sinatra, Procol Harum,...). Any
> info on that?
I have not seen any of the Scopitones on that site, but the
Scopitones I have seen were done expressly for Scopitone usage.
Fellow SPop Lincolnite, Doug Richard and I were lucky enough to see
an actual Scopitone in operation in an arcade mall in the 80's
whenever we went to the Old Market in Omaha. It was in an arcade and
we were able to see how these were used. Pretty cool machine! Clark
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:54:31 -0000
From: Rich
Subject: Re: Razors Edge - "Let's Call It A Day Girl"
Bill Mulvy wrote:
> Can anyone tell me where I can find the song "Let's Call It A Day
> Girl" by the Razors Edge.
Copy of the song if you or anyone else is interested, has been posted
at Tweedle Dumms Drive-In:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/TweedleeDumsDrive-In/
Sixtieoldiesguy (Rich)
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