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There are 10 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Important Message For Kit Kats Fans
From: S.J. Dibai
2. Herb Alpert vocals; pop as art; peddles=petals?
From: Country Paul
3. Geddes/Gerdes mystery resolved
From: Various
4. "Till"; scat Heroes & Villains; Girls Vol. 6
From: Country Paul
5. Re: Razors Edge - "Let's Call It A Day Girl"
From: Austin Roberts
6. Shadows, "Mary Anne", Geddes/Gerdes, spelling
From: Country Paul
7. The Saturday Morning Playlist - Part 89 in an occasional series
From: Simon White
8. Re: Shadows "Mary Anne"
From: Eddy
9. Re: peddles=petals?
From: Joe Nelson
10. Re: Reparata & the Delrons "Look In My Diary"
From: Robert
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Message: 1
Date: Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:35pm
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Important Message For Kit Kats Fans
Greetings, fellow Spectropoppers. This message is for all of you who
are fans of The Kit Kats (aka New Hope), especially if you own the
two disc set "It's About Time", issued by Jamie/Guyden in 1999.
I have been in dialogue with Jamie/Guyden general manager Frank
Lipsius about Kit Kats/New Hope tracks that were not included on the
two disc set. You may not realize it, but we are in the midst of a
Kit Kats revival, and Frank is committed to the idea of releasing
more Kit Kats material on compact disc. Frank is looking for
suggestions from you, the Kit Kats' fans, for what you'd like to see
on CD.
Maybe there was something from their "live" album, or some obscure
45 that slipped under the radar when "It's About Time" was being
compiled. Maybe you have the New Hope LP and like some of the tracks
from there that haven't seen CD release. Maybe you read the liner
notes or sessionography from "It's About Time" and noticed some
titles that looked intriguing. Whatever--let's hear about it.
If you don't want to talk about it here, you can e-mail Jamie/Guyden
at their new e-mail address: jamguy@gmail.com - You can e-mail me
privately. You can join my Kit Kats group and talk about it there:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kitkats_newhope - But please do let us
know if you have any suggestions. We're wide open for ideas.
Thank you very much!
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 2
Date: Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:49am
From: Country Paul
Subject: Herb Alpert vocals; pop as art; peddles=petals?
Phil M.:
> Does anyone know of the existence of a listing of Herb Alpert's
> vocals on record? If not, is there anyone who might be willing to
> help me start compiling one?
After the well-known hits, start here: A&M 714 - Dina/You're Doing
What You Did With Me With Him (1962). But beyond "Dina," my friend,
I may not be hearing his vocals the same way as you are.
> Previously:
> Geez, get real, folks -- popular music is no more "(fine) art"
> than even the most skilfully painted graffiti is. It is not rocket
> science, or a religion, or a human condition altering phenomenon.
> It may even be a form of psychic medication, but it is not medicine!
> It's entertainment. That's all. And that's a lot!
But it can be art. That which we regard as classical music now was the
popular entertainment of its day. There was great, good and bad music
of its time(s). Same for now. Just my opinion. (There has always been
vernacular - folk - music as well. Some of that can be pretty artistic,
too. Don't sell your talent short.)
Previously:
> Enjoy "Rose Peddles" now at musica.
Do you mean "Rose Petals," or is it about a girl peddling a bicycle?
Or is that the label's version of the title? Inquiring linguists want
to know....
Pedantically,
Country Paul
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Message: 3
Date: Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:35pm
From: Various
Subject: Geddes/Gerdes mystery resolved
Austin Powell writes:
> I found this from an article written....by one
> George Geddes....
Dan Hughes:
> I didn't know Geddes was a writer too! I have two
> albums by him on UA,
> and he sounds a lot like Loudon Wainwright III.
Phil M:
> That was George Gerdes. I don't know from George Geddes, but if that
> spelling is correct then we're referring to two different people
here.
Davie:
> Isn't the guy on United Artists George Gerdes?
> Different person.
I think Davie's right, it's George Gerdes who has the
Loudon Wainright connection. There's a LW III album
from 1979 called "A Live One" and George Gerdes wrote
the liner notes (and co-wrote one of the tracks "Kings
and Queens"). One of this album's tracks was recorded
at The Apollo, Glasgow, Autumn 1976 (is that you in
the audience, Frank?). One note of S'Pop interest is
that LW III and George Gerdes were part of a mid-60's
Pittsburgh coffee house group called (wait for it):
Alumicron Fab Tab Framacine Ramadoo Electrons - or so
the LP sleeve notes claim.
Norm D.
Dave Heasman:
I thought it was George "Gerdes" ? I remember being impressed with
him when
he opened for Loudon at
the much-lamented, Stuart Lyons-promoted Hampstead Country Club in I
think
'71.
Dan:
Phil, you and Davie are correct, and my face is very red right now.
Steve Harvey:
More like Loudon sounds like George Gerdes. They were
pals back at Carnegie Tech in the late 60s. More than
one person has said Loudon got some of his schtick
from George.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:29am
From: Country Paul
Subject: "Till"; scat Heroes & Villains; Girls Vol. 6
Austin Roberts:
> To my ears, the sheer beauty of the Angels' version of "Till"
> outweighs anything they ever did....
I don't usually like to clutter things with just a me-too comment,
but this record deserves one; their best, IMO.
Mike Edwards:
> Brian Wilson tunes from the Spectropop era (roughly pre-1968)
> certainly have longevity, no matter who the co-writer was.
I heard part of a pretty cool jazz/scat version of "Heroes & Villains"
on WFMU today,but missed the artist's name. (Amazingly, it really
worked!)However, Glenn Jones is interviewing him on WFMU (www.wfmu.org
or 91.1 or 90.1 FM in the NYC area or Catskills region) on Monday evening
from 7-8pm Eastern Daylight Time.
Tom Taber:
> I believe Carl Wilson produced "I Can Hear Music". It's
> miles ahead of the Ronettes version.
Agreed. And he must have been able to checkout the Spector demo now
on musica, since it sounds like the outline he filled in. (Thanks for
this magic track, Phil C.)
Mick Patrick, re: "Where the Girls Are, Vol. 6":
> 6. The Percells 'The Greatest'
> (Peter Antell, John Linde) ABC Paramount 10516 1964
> Arranged and Conducted by John Linde and Peter Antell.
Yeah - yeah-yeah!
> 23. Carol Connors 'He Belongs To Me'
> (Bob Dylan) Previously unissued 2004
> Arranged and Conducted by Richard Podolor. Produced by Marshall Leib.
New recording, or found acetate?!?!?
Country Paul
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Message: 5
Date: Sat Oct 9, 2004 5:09pm
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Razors Edge - "Let's Call It A Day Girl"
Bill Mulvy writes:
> Can anyone tell me where I can find the song "Let's Call It A Day
> Girl" by the Razors Edge, (preferably on CD). I heard it on a XM
> radio rarities show for the first time in over 30 years. It seems
> to have the same uplifting qualities found in songs such as "My
> Baby Loves Lovin'" by White Plains and "Love Grows (Where My
> Rosemary Goes)" by Edison Lighthouse.
Also a major part of Love Grows and My Baby Loves Lovin' is the fact
that Tony Burrows sang lead vocal on both. This is much like what Ron
Dante meant to the Archies and the Cufflinks.
Austin 'a fan' Roberts
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Message: 6
Date: Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:39am
From: Country Paul
Subject: Shadows, "Mary Anne", Geddes/Gerdes, spelling
Recent talk of The Shadows brings to mind my favorite record of
theirs, the gorgeous vocal "Mary Anne," which was released on Epic
in the US. Was this a UK hit, or elsewhere? It was Top 10 on my
turntable for quite a while, but I think it only got to very low
chart levels stateside.
Dan Hughes:
> I didn't know Geddes was a writer too! I have two albums by him on
> UA, and he sounds a lot like Loudon Wainwright III. (Wainwright
> recorded one of Geddes' songs--Hey Packy, a happy-go-lucky ditty
> about a dog--on one of his albums).
Check the spelling, Dan; George Gerdes and George Geddes are different
guys. And yes, there was a strong stylistic parallel with Loudon
Wainwright. I think we added the “Son of Obituary” album just so we
could say the title on the air!
But the Geddes/Gerdes issue does bring up something I’ve noticed a bit
more lately: perhaps our contributors could proofread, spell-check and
punctuate a bit better than we are. (And yes, I include myself in the
target group of my own comment.) I’ve always trusted S’pop for accuracy
(certainly more than most discussion groups), and while we all may not
remember things the same way, perhaps we could try to spell them the
same! :-) Thanks for allowing me my two cents worth.
Country Paul
(caught up with my writing, not my listening)
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Message: 7
Date: Sun Oct 10, 2004 8:44pm
From: Simon White
Subject: The Saturday Morning Playlist - Part 89 in an occasional series
I had an email from someone the other day asking what happened to the
Saturday Morning Playlists I used to post up. The answer is "I don't
really know!" But here's one from yesterday.....
On Broadway - Bill Evans & His Orchestra
Sherry - Hugo Montenegro & His Orchestra
On Backstreet - The Ramblettes
Bah Bah Doo Wah - Bert Keyes Orchestra
An Occasional Man - Marion Ryan
Tea For Two - The Tommy Kinsman Trio
Never On A Sunday - Richard 'Groove' Holmes
Time Won't Let Me - Sandy Nelson
Secret Agent Man - Mel Torme
Boy Watcher - Ginger Thompson
I'll Keep Holding On - The Marvelettes
Sunshine Of Your Love - Ella Fitzgerald
Telephone Game - Claudine Clark
If You Wanna -Baby Jean
Without Her - Preston Guild
Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren
Concrete & Clay - Eddie Rambeau
Like A Man - The Marionettes
Heart - Teri Thornton
Dominica - Frank Nelson & His Beat Strings
Pygmy Part 1 - The Delegates
Baby You've Been To School - Charles Page & The Rockin Aces
Watch Your Step - Thornton Sisters
One Mans Poison - Liz Lands
Blowing Out The Candle - Donna Loren
Insult To Injury - Timi Yuro
Who Would Deny Me - Ed Townsend
He Can't Hurt Me Anymore - Pat Thomas
As Time Goes By - Tiny Tim
Image - Alan Haven
You shoulda been there!
Simon White
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Message: 8
Date: Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:55pm
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Shadows "Mary Anne"
Country Paul
> Recent talk of The Shadows brings to mind my favorite record of
> theirs, the gorgeous vocal "Mary Anne," which was released on Epic
> in the US. Was this a UK hit, or elsewhere? It was Top 10 on my
> turntable for quite a while, but I think it only got to very low
> chart levels stateside.
Paul,
Mary Anne was on the charts for 10 weeks, reaching #17 in the UK
in early 1965 (Columbia DB7476)
Eddy
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Message: 9
Date: Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:27pm
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: peddles=petals?
Previously:
> Enjoy "Rose Peddles" now at musica.
Country Paul:
> Do you mean "Rose Petals," or is it about a girl peddling a bicycle?
> Or is that the label's version of the title? Inquiring linguists want
> to know....
It is indeed about a girl pedaling a bicycle. The correct spelling
is "pedals" ("peddles" is a reference to selling something), but
the label actually reads "Rose Peddles Everywhere She Goes".
Joe Nelson
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Message: 10
Date: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:06am
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Reparata & the Delrons "Look In My Diary"
Tony Leong wrote:
> I agree that "Look In My Diary" would have made a great hit for the
> Delrons (same with more than half of their 1966-8 output!!). When
> I first heard it on the CD, I told Mary (Reparata) about it, but of
> course she did not recall the song (the last time she heard it was
> at the recording session in 1966!!!). But, I sent her a copy and
> she vaguely recalled the song and did not think it was one of their
> best. Nanette on the other hand was totally unfamiliar with the song
> (probably because the backgrounds were handled by session singers).
It's really interesting how memory works, Tony. I was at the session
when "Look In My Diary" was recorded. I had not heard the song in
over 35 years yet when I heard it on CD last year it was as if I had
just heard it recorded the day before. The melody and lyrics were
just imbedded in my brain. Perhaps it was the multiple takes. I have
to admit, though, that I hadn't thought of the song in over 35 years.
Regarding Nanette's memories: Nanette did indeed sing background
vocals on the track. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly,
Nanette sings the opening of the song, "It's a shame what you're
doing ..." and Mary (Reparata) picks up at "Open your eyes ..."
Robert
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