Spectropop - Digest Number 1691

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• Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: John Paul Joneses
           From: Davie Gordon 
      2. Re: The Man from Nazareth
           From: Bruce Milne 
      3. RIP Bruce Palmer
           From: Phil Milstein 
      4. Re: Baby Lemonade
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      5. P.P. Arnold
           From: Austin P. 
      6. Re: Smile CD Question/Observation
           From: Bob Hanes 
      7. Re: The Man From Nazareth
           From: Scott Swanson 
      8. Dave Godin R.I.P.
           From: Davie Gordon 
      9. Re: Fever authorship
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     10. Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia
           From: SingDude@aol.com
     11. Re: The Man From Nazareth
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     12. Re: The Man From Nazareth
           From: Jens Koch 
     13. Re: Lewis & Clarke Expedition
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     14. Re: American music in England
           From: Various


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Message: 1
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:28:23 -0000
   From: Davie Gordon 
Subject: Re: John Paul Joneses


Joe Nelson wrote:
(in no particular order):
 
> Paul Jones
> John Paul Jones
> John Paul Joans
> and of course
> John Paul Georgeandringo!

Keepin' up with the Joneses is gonna make your life a mess,
Bill collectors, tranquilizers and gettin' deeper in debt
You'd better leave (oh leave) those Joneses alone

Davie (with a nod to the Temptations)





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Message: 2         
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 05:04:43 -0000
   From: Bruce Milne 
Subject: Re: The Man from Nazareth


Jens:
> A guy called John Paul Jones had a hit in, I think, 1971.....
> ...he finally became known as "John". And then he disappeared 
> without a trace from the English and European scene ...

Stangely enough, I saw a video clip of John Paul Joans performing 
"The Man From Nazareth" on Top of The Pops last night.
As an Australian, I can promise you his accent was definitely 
NOT Australian.  It sounded like he was Eastern European, with 
a very distinct accent.

Bruce Milne





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Message: 3         
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:00:51 -0000
   From: Phil Milstein 
Subject: RIP Bruce Palmer


Bruce Palmer, who played bass guitar for Buffalo Springfield, 
the influential though short-lived folk-rock band that 
exemplified what was called the West Coast sound in the 1960's, 
died on Oct. 1 in Belleville, Ontario. He was 58. The cause was 
a heart attack, said Liese Rugo, a music publicist. 

Complete story available here:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/articles/





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Message: 4         
   Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:37:55 -0400
   From: Phil X Milstein 
Subject: Re: Baby Lemonade


Stewart Mason wrote:
> Baby Lemonade's records have a good sound but generally weak
> songwriting. I'd recommend 68% PURE IMAGINATION ...

In light of that criticism the title seems an apt one. Thanks for 
the "anti-tip"; I shall save my pennies for something more worthy.

--Phil M.





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Message: 5         
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 03:59:01 +0100
   From: Austin P. 
Subject: P.P. Arnold


Just seen some news....P.P. Arnold is to do a "live" date in 
London on 20th November at The Rocket on Holloway Road, .....
Same press release says she's working on her autobiography...
Now that should be some read !

Austin P.





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Message: 6         
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:59:17 -0700
   From: Bob Hanes 
Subject: Re: Smile CD Question/Observation


Mark F:
> It seems to me that the vocal on the current version
> of 'You Are My Sunshine' is a 1967 Brian vocal - wasn't
> there one on a bootleg? If it's not, then it's a darn
> good imitation of 1967 BW. Anyone else notice this? Or
> am I hearing things?

Mark, you're hearing things! No original tapes either vocal 
or instrumental were used on Brian Wilson presents Smile! NONE! 
The original vocal for You Are My Sunshine, was Dennis and Brian 
has done a wonderful job of "recreating" Dennis' pensive vocal 
for the new CD. I too did an double take when I heard it.  
My source on this is Leaf and Sahanaja btw.

The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, 
Church of the Harmonic Overdub





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Message: 7         
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:35:49 -0700
   From: Scott Swanson 
Subject: Re: The Man From Nazareth


"John Paul Joans" aka "J.P. Jones" aka "John" was indeed comedian 
John Davidge. There's an interesting little story on him here 
(scroll down to Jan. 13):

http://members.aol.com/lzhistory/jan.html

Regards,

Scott





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Message: 8         
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:55:34 -0000
   From: Davie Gordon 
Subject: Dave Godin R.I.P.


News has just come through that Dave Godin died yesterday.

Here's the announcemnt made by Ady Croasdell of Kent Records.

A sad loss of someone whose influence on the UK soul scene is
incalculable.

Davie

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Soul News Announcement  
By: ady croasdell

Dave Godin died peacefully in his sleep on the morning of Friday
October 15th. He had been ill for some time and was fully accepting 
of his fate, though true to himself he put up a brave fight.

Dave was a pioneer of Blackamerican music and soul music in particular
throughout his life. The highlights of his endless championing of the
cause were his working with Berry Gordy in establishing Tamla Motown
as an entity in this country; his passion for, and the coining of, the
genres Northern Soul and Deep Soul and his series of four CDs of "Dave
Godin's Deep Soul Treasures" which he claimed were the proudest
achievements of his life. He was the world's foremost soul music
journalist for many years and wrote intelligently and illuminatingly
on the subject, particularly in his Blues and Soul magazine column in
the 60s and 70s. His grasp and understanding of Blackamerican social
and political life gave him an insightful perspective on the music
that made his writing so vital.

He was also a renowned expert on films and a passionate Animal Rights
activist as well as being a committed anarchist, vegan, pro-life,
Esperanto speaker and supporter of the Jain religion.

Details of his funeral will be posted as soon as we have them. It is
hoped that there will be a celebratory soul dance on the evening of
the funeral.

Cards can be sent to

Dave Godin in memorium
27 Clifton Crescent South
Rotherham
S Yorks
S65 2AR

Dave wished any donations to be sent to:

Dr Elizabeth Svendsen
The Donkey Sanctuary
Sidmouth
Devon
EX10 0NU
UK

Cheques payable to the Donkey Sanctuary

We have set up a message board for any thoughts or reminiscences on
Dave's life at the 6TS website www.6ts.info The direct link is
http://pub18.bravenet.com/guestbook/1467978738 








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Message: 9         
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:02:52 -0400
   From: Phil X Milstein 
Subject: Re: Fever authorship


Most versions of "Fever" that I've seen credit the composition 
to "Eddie Cooley" and "John Davenport". Were these pseudonyms 
for Little Willie John? If not, anyone know who they are?

--Phil M.





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Message: 10        
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:46:37 EDT
   From: SingDude@aol.com
Subject: Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia


I concur this is one of the (many) highlights of the movie 
Hairspray. I have a live recording of this by Maria McKee. 
If anyone is interested, I can play it to musica.

Bill (once again two weeks behind)





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Message: 11        
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:27:26 -0400
   From: Phil X Milstein 
Subject: Re: The Man From Nazareth


Scott Swanson wrote:
> "John Paul Joans" aka "J.P. Jones" aka "John" was indeed comedian
> John Davidge. There's an interesting little story on him here
> (scroll down to Jan. 13):
> http://members.aol.com/lzhistory/jan.html

Great Scott ... I mean, great story, Scott -- thanks for the link. 
I can't understand why Davidge would've wanted to filch the name 
of perhaps the LEAST recognizable member of Led Zeppelin, esp. with 
Plant and Bonham having come from up north(?) themselves. I got a 
big kick out of the kicker to the story, which finds a member of 
Led Zeppelin aghast that people might mistake him for an acid hound!

Oh oh oh oh,
--Phil M.





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Message: 12        
   Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:37:14 +0200
   From: Jens Koch 
Subject: Re: The Man From Nazareth


From: Scott Swanson:
>There's an interesting little story on him here
> (scroll down to Jan. 13):
> http://members.aol.com/lzhistory/jan.html

That's interesting indeed. However I have to disagree with 
the writer on that page that the single charted because of 
the name. I myself bought the single because it's quite catchy, 
I have no interest whatsoever in Led Zeppelin. It's not much 
of song, though, it's more a narration with a sung chorus. I 
probably didn't understand much of the song in 1971, my English 
then wasn't much to speak of.

Jens





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Message: 13        
   Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:04:14 EDT
   From: Bob Rashkow 
Subject: Re: Lewis & Clarke Expedition


IMHO "For Singles Only", which I caught on late-night TV back in 
the 70s, is a simple-minded film, riddled with typical cliches 
from the period.  That said, it's fun to watch these days merely 
for the nostalgia factor, and of course, for L&CE and any other 
artists who perform in it!  Mary Ann Mobley provides some 
"entertainment", I suppose.  Columbia Pictures' best flick in 
this style is undoubtedly The Monkees' "Head", which I also 
first viewed in 1975 or thereabouts.  Fortunately, I was able 
to see this Davy-Mike-Micky-Peter psychedelevaganza on a fairly 
big screen, as it was being shown by Film Group at Lake Forest 
College, where I was in school at the time. (Oh, let's not forget 
EASY RIDER, even more profound and stark, also produced for 
Columbia by Rafelson and I forgot the other guy's name.)

Bobster





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Message: 14        
   Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:14:54 +0100
   From: Various
Subject: Re: American music in England


Dan Hughes wrote:
> ....I am on a list similar to this one that covers sixties
> British music, and I was quite surprised to learn from my
> English friends that many of our most well-known American
> groups are unknown there: The Buckinghams, The Turtles, 
> The Rascals, Paul Revere & The Raiders, etc. Why did these 
> groups have number ones here yet got no airplay in the UK? 
> Especially those groups who were on huge international labels.

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Frank Murphy:
Dan, The Rascals had a top ten UK hit with Groovin’ and the follow-
up "A Girl Like You" scraped into the 40. The Turtles had three top 
twenty hits so neither were unknown in The UK.

The Buckinghams were on Pye Records who had more success with US 
soul artists than pop acts. Their records just got lost.

Paul Revere and The Raiders were not taken very seriously by the 
almighty UK pop press. Probably due to the uniforms and rumours 
of session men on the records which is a pity as I actually like 
them now. Certainly a few UK groups picked up on Mo’reen for their 
live sets. CBS UK pushed a bit and the records were certainly 
released. The Byrds, Dylan and Simon and Garfunkel were successful 
CBS acts. Touring did help although The Byrds had a disastrous UK 
tour which meant records slid into the forty rather than the twenty 
as they deserved.

The BBC did not play many records to begin with. There were lots 
of UK groups some of whom covered American records which were 
pushed in favour of the originals as the UK publishing companies 
received more money from a cover. The BBC could call on the UK 
group to tape their song in the BBC studios which could be played 
in lieu of a record. 

Lots of American hits did not make the UK charts in the fifties 
although there was a certain period when Americans did dominate, 
just pre Beatles. Gene Vincent lived here for two/three years and 
was popular on the live circuit

Frank Murphy

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Clark Besch:
Dan, I think that after the Beatles, American acts may have suffered
because the English realized THEY had great musical ideas too and
could build on the Beatles sound! Just like here where garage bands
spring up out of the Beatles craze. Our garage bands found they
could create Beatles music and develop their own ideas too! I also
do not think these American bands were ignored or unknown in the UK
even if they did not have "hits". Groups like the Move, the Herd,
the Pretty Things, Dave Dee Dozy etc. did not have hits in the US,
but I sure knew their music. I think the same was true over there.
I think the UK only had a top 50 chart too, so our Hot 100 gave lots
of artists a better chance at charting just by having space on the
charts. Certainly, the Who, Troggs and many others broke thru here,
just as Dylan, Creedence, Lou Christie, the Byrds, the Supremes, Del
Shannon, the Walker Brothers found good success over there. I know
there was some blockage of having acts come over here and they
responded in like, but I think overall that the British invasion
conquered us and it also conquered them too. The whole world got
caught up in Beatlemania and the British Invasion, so it was not a
deliberate slap at the US artists, it was just a wave of music
brought on by Beatlemania. OK, I'm getting carried away (or maybe I
should be). 
Over to the Brits......Clark

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Bob Rashkow:
Many English artists of the mid and late 6Ts also failed to catch
on here, for possibly the same reasons as the Raiders, the Turtles,
etc. never caught on in the UK. I think it's both a question of
cultural appreciation and one of money. The Pretty Things, in
particular, come to mind here. I think Britain's youth was much,
much more in tune with the down-tempo side of things; thus very
upbeat, relatively optimistic songs by groups such as the Raiders
and the Turtles weren't able to compete with, e.g., Blackberry Way
by the Move--and vice versa here in the States, to some extent.
The Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper" was such a foundation-setter both here
and in England. I think here the trend went more toward the glass
being half full and there, the glass being half empty.

There are, of course, exceptions to every rule; why didn't
"It's A Happening Thing" make the Top 10 nationwide??!!
OK, the whining is done! ......Bobster

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