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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
From: Bob Celli
2. Re: "Goin' Back"
From: Michael T
3. Re: Artie Schroeck
From: Steve Harvey
4. Re: The Box Tops
From: Rex Patton
5. Re: Artie Schroek
From: Dennis Diken
6. Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
From: Richard
7. Re: Bitter End TV Show
From: Shawn Nagy
8. Stone Poneys
From: Steve Harvey
9. Some old geezer
From: Don
10. Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
From: Clark Besch
11. Hudson Brothers (New Yorkers)
From: Michael T.
12. Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
From: Bill Craig
13. Spoonful covers
From: John DeAngelis
14. wanna write for us?
From: Howard Earnshaw
15. Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
From: James Cassidy
16. What Does A Girl Do?
From: Vlaovic B.
17. Rockin' Christmas Party, Vol. I
From: Laura Pinto
18. Re: Box Tops, pop-tops, and Linda Ronstandt's naked soles
From: Phil X Milstein
19. Re: "Goin' Back"
From: Don H.
20. Re: Michael Brown
From: Gary Myers
21. Lewis And Clarke Expedition
From: Paul Urbahns
22. Re: Stone Poneys
From: Robert Pingel
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:50:42 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
Phil M:
> ... most pop music on Sullivan consisted of the lead singer
> performing live over pre-recorded tracks. I've also seen some
> occasions of straight lip-syncing on Sullivan, but those were rare.
In regards to Gary Lewis and the Playboys, I know for a fact that
Gary was lip syncing "This Diamond Ring". Snuff Garrett told me that
during one of our conversations. He said Gary would never be able to
pull it off "live" and asked Jerry Lewis to intervene to convince Ed
Sullivan to let Gary lip sync the record. I believe Snuff said that
Gary may have been the first artist to lip sync a song on Ed's show.
Bob
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:00:41 -0000
From: Michael T
Subject: Re: "Goin' Back"
Freddie Mercury, Brian May and Roger Taylor did "Goun' Back" under
the name Larry Lurex. It was the B-side of the sole Larry Lurex
single, issued in the US on Anthem in 1973. The A-side was "I Can
Hear Music." Freddie Mercury sings lead on both tracks.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:30:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Artie Schroeck
John DeAngelis wrote:
> A while back Spectropop member Michael Greenberg turned me on to
> the album "A Spoonful of Lovin'" by the Artie Schroeck Implosion,
> an album of nicely done instrumental Spoonful covers.
There's one up for auction on Ebay as we speak.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:12:18 -0500
From: Rex Patton
Subject: Re: The Box Tops
>From interviews I've read with Dan Penn and Alex Chilton, the Box Tops
played on "The Letter," but never again. I've always wanted to ask Penn
why he brought in the American Studio session guys, when most producers,
after they have a hit (and if memory serves me correctly, "The Letter"
wasn't just a hit, but was the biggest song of 1967) are loathe to
change much of anything - let alone the whole band - in the way they
made the first one when they try to follow it up.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:36:38 -0500
From: Dennis Diken
Subject: Re: Artie Schroek
Steve Harvey wrote:
> I have a single by Artie (Schroeck) on Columbia of "Coconut Grove".
John DeAngelis:
> ... the album "A Spoonful of Lovin'" by the Artie Schroeck Implosion,
> an album of nicely done instrumental Spoonful covers.
Speaking of Spoonful covers, has anyone heard the Louis Prima single
(on Kama Sutra!) "Jug Band Music" c/w "Bald Headed Lena"?!
Dennis Diken
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:33:10 -0000
From: Richard
Subject: Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
Phil M:
> ... most pop music on Sullivan consisted of the lead singer
> performing live over pre-recorded tracks. I've also seen some
> occasions of straight lip-syncing on Sullivan, but those were rare.
The Mamas and The Papas sang live or WITH their record as on June
11, 1967--so it was, as you say, the lead(s) singing with the backing
instrumental (and in their case vocal) tape.
Visit the Official Cass Elliot Website http://www.casselliot.com
Richard
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:27:17 -0000
From: Shawn Nagy
Subject: Re: Bitter End TV Show
Rodney Justo of The Candymen told me a funny story about their
appearance on the show, in which they sound great, and the songs are
performed live! They had the studio for only a limited amount of
time & had to go onto the next production, and they were on last.
Hitting the chorus of "Georgia Pines" his voice cracked and figured
they could do it over again, so he turns & looks at the clock seeing
there's about a minute left & the look on his face is priceless, he
knows he better nail the rest of the song because it will be the
take that airs!
Shawn
SuperOldies.com
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:12:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Stone Poneys
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> I've also seen Neil Diamond do double-duty in this manner, although
> with a commercial break in between, and sounding quite professional
> while playing solo live, and The Stone Poneys, who, on their live
> tracks, sound even lamer than The Box Tops.
I agree about the Stone Poneys' performance. I'm surprised that
Ronstadt didn't walk off the stage. No wonder she split from them
shortly afterwards.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:19:02 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Some old geezer
I was flipping through channels last night and came across a show on
Ovation (cable channel) on rock family trees. I came in fairly late
and it was jumping around from Mamas and Papas lineage to Zal leaving
the Spoonful to break up of Blues Project and started interviewing
some old geezer about starting a group called BS&T. The name was
sure familiar, but can't seem to place it.
Don
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:04:19 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
Bill, Certainly several artists lip-synched their songs on Ed
Sullivan, tho most did live or live vocals. Funny part is that when
the Ed Sullivan music Cds came out in the 90's, some of those were
not live vocals at all!! Kinda stupid to do that, when the music on
the Cd was identical to the record except for crowd noise. So many
great live or live vocals and they chose some that weren't live at
all!! The Byrds are a good example of the situation you speak of.
They did "Turn Turn turn" live and returned after a commercail
doing "Mr. Tambourine Man" lipsynched!! Then the show sometimes had
taped music but would spice on a cold ending (instead of the record
fade) which often was very choppy editing and didn't quite fit the
45's exact sound. Clark
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:57:20 -0000
From: Michael T.
Subject: Hudson Brothers (New Yorkers)
Sometime back, Mike The Mop mentioned the Hudsons' first single,
"Things Are Changing," as the New Yorkers. It was a Chrysler promo
single they did in 1966 on the Santana label, backed with a song by
another group (the Fury 4). "Things Are Changing" is the one
Hudsons track that has eluded me for years. Can someone post it to
Musica? Thanks!
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:11:05 -0000
From: Bill Craig
Subject: Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
Bill Craig wrote:
> Speaking of Lypsyncing on tv, in one of Andrew Oldham's books he
> mentions the Stones Lipsyncing on The Ed Sullivan Show. My
> recollection is that on Sullivan at least the lead vocal was always
> live, even tho at some point I think the backing instrumental track
> and occasionally some of the backing vocals were on tape.
Right. But were not the earliest Brit Invasion groups singing AND
playing live? Like the first Beatles, Searchers, DC5 appearances?
Bill Craig
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:06:10 -0000
From: John DeAngelis
Subject: Spoonful covers
Dennis Diken wrote:
> Speaking of Spoonful covers, has anyone heard the Louis Prima single
> (on Kama Sutra!) "Jug Band Music" c/w "Bald Headed Lena"?!
Hey Dennis: Sounds cool! I haven't heard Mr. Prima's Spoonful cover
(the B side is technically a Doctor Feelgood & the Interns cover, I
suppose), but I have heard Kate Smith's recording of "Daydream" (again,
thanks to Spectropopper Michael Greenberg). And speaking of "Daydream",
I love your CD notes to the BMG CD reissue of the "Daydream" lp,
Dennis!
cheers,
John DeAngelis AKA Johnny D
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:30:54 -0500
From: Howard Earnshaw
Subject: wanna write for us?
To all you aspiring writers out there!! How about penning something
for the neatest soul fanzine in the north of England - Soul Up North?
I'd love to have a regular (and even not so regular!!) writer of
articles from a US perspective, Soul Up North is aimed at the rare
northern soul fraternity, but also crosses over to mainstream 60's
soul amongst other stuff!! Drop me a line off list if you fanct
writing something..
all the best.. Howard Earnshaw
(editor - soul up north - the fan's fanzine)
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:05:51 -0500
From: James Cassidy
Subject: Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
Phil M. wrote:
> ... most pop music on Sullivan consisted of the lead singer
> performing live over pre-recorded tracks. I've also seen some
> occasions of straight lip-syncing on Sullivan, but those were rare.
I go on to say:
And if the song had a fade-out ending, Ray Bloch and his orchestra
would come in toward the conclusion and hit a long, loud tonic chord --
no matter how incongruous -- to give the song a proper ending.
Jim Cassidy
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:58:43 -0500
From: Vlaovic B.
Subject: What Does A Girl Do?
Mick Patrick:
> ... In the meantime, you might like to check out a CD I just helped
> put together for the President label, "What Does A Girl Do: Femme
> Pop From The President Vaults" (PRCD 157) ... You'll find more
> information at President's website: http://tinyurl.com/4c7lu
'What Does A Girl Do'! I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk of
this one. I picked up my copy a few weeks ago and while it's not
really major league stuff (kinda like Garpax Girls), it'll do in a
pinch. And for Canadian Girl Group fans the Allen Sisters with 'Larry'
one of the few local examples even if it was recorded in New York by a
pair of (actual) sisters from Edmonton who were regulars on The Tommy
Hunter Show (Canadian country television institution for 2 decades).
BTW I wonder if 'I'm in with the Downtown crowd' from a couple of years
later referred to the swinging lights of downtown Edmonton? I picked
up their less than stellar LP for a dollar a couple of years ago,
entranced by the cheesy photo of the girls (big blond, flipped hair).
Cheap production, etc. but a couple of ok cuts.
N
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:48:49 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Rockin' Christmas Party, Vol. I
Hi everyone,
Ron Dante's latest production, "Rockin' Christmas Party (Volume I),"
is now available. This multiple-artist collection features tracks by
Ron, Lou Christie, Gary Lewis, Bobby Vee, Tommy Roe, and Chris
Montez. I already have my copy, and I can tell you - this is one
cool CD! (I don't think it's too early to start listening to holiday
music, do you?)
For the complete track listing and to read my review of the CD, visit
this page on Amazon.com:
http://snipurl.com/apej
While you're there, why not pick up a copy or two or three; they'll
make great stocking stuffers!
Enjoy,
Laura
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:59:05 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Box Tops, pop-tops, and Linda Ronstandt's naked soles
Rex Patton wrote:
> From interviews I've read with Dan Penn and Alex Chilton, the Box Tops
> played on "The Letter," but never again. I've always wanted to ask Penn
> why he brought in the American Studio session guys, when most producers,
> after they have a hit (and if memory serves me correctly, "The Letter"
> wasn't just a hit, but was the biggest song of 1967) are loathe to
> change much of anything - let alone the whole band - in the way they
> made the first one when they try to follow it up.
Maybe he wanted to quit using them while he was still ahead!
Steve Harvey wrote:
> I agree about the Stone Poneys' performance. I'm surprised that
> Ronstadt didn't walk off the stage.
She would have, but she was afraid she might cut her bare feet on broken
glass or discarded pop-tops.*
Helpfully,
--Phil M.
*For all the kiddies in the audience tonight, "pop-tops" were removable
pull tabs on soda and beer cans, used prior to some bright bulb
conceiving of the NON-removable type that is still in use today. Besides
the environmental issues they generated, pop-tops were responsible for
cutting the soles of millions of beachgoers' feet into bloody shreds. In
the plus column, however, they were also the subject of a 1970s mini-fad
in which craftspeople with much time on their hands would fashion
salvaged pop-tops into home decor, jewelry, and even clothing. Don't
believe me? You could look it up! And now on with our rilly big shoe ...
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:21:58 -0000
From: Don H.
Subject: Re: "Goin' Back"
Let me post a list of all of the versions of "Goin' Back" that I know
of. This list is longer than some of my previous lists, but not
nearly as long as the "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" list, which is
close to 200.
Ollie Austin
The Barra Macneils
Bon Jovi
Elkie Brooks
Brown Dust
The Byrds
Camper Van Chadbourne
Deacon Blue
Dolphin
Bill Drummond
Gino Cunico
Goldie (The original recording of this song)
Eydie Gorme
Groop
Hickory Wind
Ian Mitchell
Icicle Works
Johnny Logan
Bill Jones (female)
Brian Kennedy
Carole King
Nils Lofgren
Freddie Mercury (as Larry Lurex)
The Move
The Myddle Class
New Seekers
Andy Pratt
Prelude
Pretenders
Maggie Reilly
Richard Thompson
Diana Ross
Ricky Ross (from Deacon Blue)
Roy Budd
Glenn Shorrock & Renee Geyer
Dusty Springfield
Mary Travers
Jackie Trent
Vikki Clayton
Chris Wilson & The Sneetches
Also 2 Finnish versions as "'Ei Eiliseen" by Stara and Maarit. I
believe the Italian version is called "Ritornerei" and the German
version is "Ich Glaube Nicht" but I don't know who performed either
one. I wouldn't be surprised if there are French and Spanish
versions.
I also have an mp3 labeled as being by Mary Black, but the vocals are
male, so I'm not quite sure who that one is.
There is also a medley with "My Back Pages" by Michael Stanley. And
there is a song called "23 Lies" by Death In Vegas, that
samples "Goin' Back".
Check out Prelude for a folksy version. Not much soul in that one,
but if you want some more emotion, try Brian Kennedy. For a reggae
feel, try Bill Drummond.
There are some others with that title that I'm not sure are the G/K
song. Princeton Tigerlilies; Brett Marvin; Dave Berry; Allman
Sisters. And somewhere I thought I heard that Barbra Streisand did
this? If anyone can confirm any of these, I'd appreciate it.
And speaking of Glenn Shorrock, does anyone know if The Twilights
recorded King/Stern's "As We Go Along"?
Don H in NJ
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:41:48 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Michael Brown
Dave Monroe:
> ask him if he's heard Sylvie Vartan's recording of
> "WAR" ("Quand un amour renait").
Dave, here is Bob Calilli's reply:
" I am familiar with the Sylvie Vartan (french) version of
W.A.R. I own a couple of copies (45rpm).......flip side is
the fr. version of "Sugar Pie Honey Bunch," the 4 Tops hit
song. Back in 1969 some friends of mine were attempting to
syndicate a music radio program based on non top 40 music.
We were going to use the Sylvie Vartan version as opening
music.
Ask Dave Monroe if he knows of the Gene Page Orchestra's
version of the song. It was on the LP "Page 1", VMC Records,
1968. It is a beautiful symphonic rendition. That, to me,
is an absolutely gorgeous (classical) version of the song "
gem
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:32:44 EST
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Lewis And Clarke Expedition
With the talk recently on this list about the Colgems recording
artist The Lewis And Clarke Expedition, does anyone know of a
source for their first single on the Chartmaker label?
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:25:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: Stone Poneys
Steve Harvey:
> I agree about the Stone Poneys' performance. I'm surprised
> that Ronstadt didn't walk off the stage. No wonder she split
> from them shortly afterwards.
I didn't see this performance, but I do recall seeing an early
Ronstadt performance during the late 60's on the Tonight Show
which was a near disaster. Not sure if the back-up was the
Stone Poneys or if they had parted ways by then. Anyway, the
band gave a semi-country intro to the song "Different Drum"
(unlike the recorded arrangement). Thereafter Ms. Ronstadt
began singing in one key, and the band began playing in another.
Very awkward, but Ms. Ronstadt did manage to slide into the band's
key without too much embarrassment.
Rob Pingel
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