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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Cher & Spector
From: Jeffery Kennedy
2. Re: Saint Etienne
From: Jeffery Kennedy
3. Re: "Teenage Crush"
From: Tom Taber
4. cover of "You Came, You Saw, You Conquered" at musica
From: Peter Andreasen
5. Re: Hollywood Jills
From: James Moniz
6. Re: Rhino g.g. box
From: Barry Margolis
7. 'tis the season
From: Mike Rashkow
8. Re: Colgems/Colpix/Bell/Amy/Mala/etc.
From: Billy G Spradlin
9. Re: Dionne Warwick
From: Clark Besch
10. SSS Records
From: Dan Hughes
11. Re: Rhino g.g. box
From: Michael Edwards
12. Re: Rhino g.g. box
From: Tony Waitekus
13. Re: Dionne Warwick
From: Clark Besch
14. Re: Hollywood Jills
From: Barry Margolis
15. Re: Rhino girl group box
From: Mikey
16. Re: Colgems
From: Lapka Larry
17. Re: Colgems/Colpix/Bell/Amy/Mala/etc.
From: Michael Thom
18. Lenny Welch
From: Tom Taber
19. Re: Rhino girl group box
From: John H.
20. The 2 Of Clubs
From: S'pop Projects
21. Winfield Scott; Arthur Alexander; Peter Lacey; Cher on W/S
From: Country Paul
22. Re: Dionne Warwick
From: Barry Margolis
23. Re: Lenny Welch
From: Gary Myers
24. Re: The 2 Of Clubs
From: Bob Rashkow
25. Sammy Ambrose; Colpix, Colgems, Bell, etc.; Olay! and new box
From: Country Paul
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:42:24 -0000
From: Jeffery Kennedy
Subject: Re: Cher & Spector
Barry Margolis wrote:
> "A Woman's Story" is indeed an amazing track, perhaps one of
> the most unknown of 1970's.
Marc Almond (formerly of Soft Cell) covered "A Woman's Story," and
quite well, so if you're interested in the song, you might want to
check that out.
Cher's version is great. My single is EXTREMELY battered, and I'd
love to have the track on CD.
Jeffery
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:45:46 -0000
From: Jeffery Kennedy
Subject: Re: Saint Etienne
Dave Monroe wrote:
> St. E have also covered, on the Francophone front, Massiel's
> "La La La" and Francoise Hardy's "Tout Les Garcons And Les Filles".
> Okay, my two obsessions, 60s French pop and Saint Etienne
> (okay, three obsessions, Scottish indie pop as well) rolled into
> one post ...
And Saint Etienne's "Nothing Can Stop Us" HEAVILY samples Dusty
Springfield's version of "I Can't Wait Until I See My Baby's Face." Oh, the
days before the lawyers showed up!
Jeffery
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:24:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: "Teenage Crush"
Michael Edwards wrote:
> ...The track sequencing is such that the rarities are interspersed
> among the hits for a listening experience that is light years away
> from that found by tuning in to oldies' stations. It's topical too, as
> "Queen Of The Hop" reminds us that Kevin Spacey's "Beyond
> The Sea" flick is opening in a few weeks.
It was that very track "Queen of the Hop" that I heard, maybe 10 years
ago on a Rochester "oldies" station, and thought, "Wow, they've finally
expanded their playlist!" It was about 30 seconds into the song when
they realized their mistake, and stopped the song cold to play something
else. I will never believe that a station would lose more listeners by playing
a "mistake" (and a fairly respectable hit!) all the way through than by
yanking it just as I, and hopefully some others, just got into singing along.
Tom Taber
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:02:03 -0000
From: Peter Andreasen
Subject: cover of "You Came, You Saw, You Conquered" at musica
Hi everybody. Here is another Danish cover for you. The artist is "Mona,"
and the track is from 1974. I quess this is one Ronettes song that is
seldom covered.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:04:16 -0500
From: James Moniz
Subject: Re: Hollywood Jills
Sheila asked:
> I'm lookin' for info on Capitol girl group the Hollywood Jills –
> anyone got any?
They released "He Makes Me Mad" in 1968. It's one of my favorite
non-Northern Soul girl-group records. That's about all I know, though!
--James
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:32:09 -0600
From: Barry Margolis
Subject: Re: Rhino g.g. box
It'll be interesting to see the track listing on this box set, since most of the
Top 100 most popular and influential girl group sounds have been reissued
on CD in the past.
To do the project right, Rhino would have to gets the rights to a few key
Motown and Spector recordings, something that's not likely in the cards.
Assuming that they're gonna go it up like the Nuggets box sets, then I'd
be more interested in the follow-up box, which would likely contain the
rarer and more interesting girl group sounds. Here's what I've come
across in the last few years that I consider to be unusually strong girl
group examples:
The Angels: You're The Cause Of It
The Ravenettes: Baby Pull My Heart Strings
Tawny Williams: Pretty Little Words
The Bobbettes: I've Gotta Face The World
The Bobbettes: The Broken Heart
The Kolettes: Who's That Guy
The Du-ettes: Sugar Daddy
The Du-ettes: Please Forgive Me
But I sincerely doubt any of the above would be candidates!
Barry in Minneapolis
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:53:43 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: 'tis the season
Here's a little rhyme I wrote for Christmas,
for Chanukah and Kwaanza too.
I'm sending it out to all the S'pop people,
it seems the proper thing to do.
There's something about this season,
so magical and filled with awe.
No matter if you're Jew or Gentile,
you still want to hear those reindeer paw.
So though it's been said many times many ways
and I last wrote thirty years ago,
It wasn't so hard to avoid an e-card
and wish all of you a Ho, Ho Ho!!
Moderator man catch the spirit
let this little poem go through
It isn't exactly right on topic
but it's Christmas and I pray to you
(goes to 6/8 here)
Let this one slide through the cracks if you can
Let this old curmudgeon's song fill the land
If I could write melody I'd send the whole band
Now I'm out of ideas, so give me a hand. aaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnddd
It's Christmas, what did you expect? Rubber Biscuits?
Di la,
Rashkovsky
no reviews thanks
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:32:42 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: Colgems/Colpix/Bell/Amy/Mala/etc.
> I am almost 100 percent sure that during the episode where
> Bobby Sherman was "the teen idol," he actually held a copy
> of the David Jones LP for whatever reason. Whether it was
> Bewitched or The Monkees, this means the album (and a
> Colpix release) was available to the general public in 1966-1967
> -- or after the time that Colgems supposedly replaced Colpix.
The "Both Sides Now" Colpix LP discography says the David Jones album
was released in 1965, so it was already available. Sounds like an in-joke
played by Sherman or the show's producers/writers.
> Bell might have absorbed Colgems, but they really did little
> with the catalog. They released a lame Monkees greatest hits
> album called "Refocus" and they released the final Monkees
> single, although it was credited to Davy Jones and Micky Dolenz,
> not The Monkees.
Bell later put out a skimpy "Monkees Greatest Hits" album that was
reissued by Arista and available for most of the '70s and early '80s. They
did better by licencing that catalog to Rhino and budget labels around the
world.
Arista also issued a budget series of "Flashback" albums that had used hits
from the '60s Bell-Mala-Amy-Colpix catalog. I remember "Johnny Angel"
was reissued by Bell-Arista's oldies label Flashback.
Besides the Monkees and a few soundtracks there were no other big hits
in the Colgems catalog. I don't know why those other records never took
off -- maybe it was Kirshner's concentration on The Monkees that kept
other Colgems artists from getting hits.
> I am trying to find out more about the connection between the
> three labels, and even Arista, which I believe absorbed Bell's
> catalog in the mid to late 1970s.
Columbia Pictures bought Bell from Larry Uttal in 1970 to get back into the
record business again when the Colgems-RCA deal ended. Columbia merged
Colgems and the old Colgems library (along with all the independent labels
they distributed) into Amy-Mala-Bell. Perhaps to create a unified image of the
company, most of these labels other than Bell were folded after 1970, and
any artist still left on the roster after the buyout now had thier records
released by Bell. That's why you have the last Box Tops, Vanity Fare and
Dolenz-Jones Monkees 45s on Bell. Bell tossed aside its '60s R&B image and
became a mainstream Top 40 pop label, with Dawn, The Fifth Dimension
and The Partridge Family leading the way.
When Clive Davis became the president of Bell he wanted to create a
new rock image for the label, so Bell became Arista in 1975, and
promptly scored hits with the Bay City Rollers and Barry Manilow (both
old Bell signings!)
> I have been in contact with Varese Sarabande about a legitimate
> Colgems "Greatest Hits", but have not had a bite yet. I think one
> is warranted.
I would love to see it happen. You might try also contacting BMG's Buddah
reissue label (if they are still active), who reissued several of the Partridge
Family albums on CD.
Hope this helps,
Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:21:58 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Dionne Warwick
Karen Andrew wrote:
> Saw Dionne on "The View" TV show this past week ...
Don't know about her voice today, and even though it is not my favorite
Warwick song (close, though), I feel her performance of "Alfie" is as
close to a female equivalent to Lenny Welch's "Since I Fell For You"
(in terms of singing perfection) as one can get!
Clark
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:48:03 +0000
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: SSS Records
Clark mentions Eddie Middleton. He had a great record called "Until Then"
in the summer of 1970, on Shelby Singleton's SSS Interntaional label. This
mention of Shelby Singleton brings to mind a question I hope somebody can
help me with.
I did a radio show in the early '70s, and had a theme song that I'm trying to
find again. My memory of it, though, is hazy. I think the label was a Shelby
Singleton subsid called Silver Fox. It was a white label promo 45 on clear blue
vinyl, and it was a wild bluesy instrumental with a very long title ending wih
the word "... Blues."
I read somewhere that Silver Fox was a Leland Rogers label, so perhaps there
were two Silver Fox labels, as Rogers is from Texas yet mine was from
Tennessee. I assumed mine had a Charlie Rich connection, since that was
Charlie's nickname and he recorded on Sun, which was eventually owned by
Shelby Singleton. So I don't think it was the Leland Rogers label, even if the
names were the same.
Thanks for any help.
---Dan
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:34:44 -0000
From: Michael Edwards
Subject: Re: Rhino g.g. box
Mikey wrote:
> The Lesley Gore Stuff is all available in a million places. I'd like
> to see a box set with the 2nd level hits and LOTS of obscurities.
> Hell, we don't need "My Boyfriends Back" on another comp!
Mikey's right here, and anyone needing Lesley Gore's recordings need
look no further than the double CD that Polygram put out in 1996, "It's My
Party: The Mercury Anthology". As well as the hits, the set includes such
great lesser-known gems as "The Bubble Broke" (1967), "I'm Coolin', No
Foolin'" (1964) and "Magic Colors" (1967).
However, as I implied when discussing the recent "Teenage Crush Vol.
4" CD, compilers have to mix well- and lesser-known items to produce a
marketable set. To this end, Polygram did put out a top-notch girl-group
compilation around the same time as its Gore set. In it we were treated
to Sadina's "I Want That Boy" (1964), The Sham-Ettes' "You're Welcome"
(1967) and Beverly Washburn's "Everybody Loves Saturday Night But Me"
(1963), along with more predictable items from the MGM/Mercury/Smash
catalogs.
So Rhino are getting back to oldies and issuing a 4 box girl group set?
Let's help them. Here are some titles deserving to see the light of CD day:
* Nancy Sinatra: "Like I Do" (1962) or anything else she recorded
before 1965/6.
* Hedy Sontag: "He Never Came Back" (1964), penned by member Eddie
Rambeau and much in demand by 4 Seasons' collectors. Thinking Bob
Crewe, anything from Tracey Dey and the Rag Dolls would also be
welcome.
* Cathy Brasher: "I'll Remember Jimmy" (1964), with Spector sidekick
Ray Pohlman's throbbing bass line.
* Dorothy Berry: "You Better Watch Out" (1964), even with David Gates'
involvement this is a very hard 45 to track down. Check out that cheesy
"comb and paper" part in the middle.
* Vi Velasco: "That's Not The Answer," a Bacharach/David song that
never appears in any B-D book/Internet listing. Give the lady her due,
Mr. Rhino.
* The Buttons: "Walk Away Girl" (1963), great uptempo girlgroup/R&B sound
that didn't make the cut for the "Where The Girls Are – Vol.5" CD.
Maybe this time?
* Vikki Carr: "Forget You" (1964), '60s diva with a pop tune. I would have
loved Shirley Bassey to have recorded this.
I could go on. Hopefully fellow members will. I look forward to it.
Mike Edwards
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:55:56 -0600
From: Tony Waitekus
Subject: Re: Rhino g.g. box
Very much looking forward to that. It may even come out before the
Cameo/Parkway box!
If anyone is looking for suggestions:
Bernadette Castro: A Girl In Love Forgives
Miss Cathy Brasher: Only When I Dream
Christine Quaite: Tell Me Mama
Gary Stewart is a good guy. I used to talk to him decades ago about
possible projects.
Tony Waitekus
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:43:00 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Dionne Warwick
Karen Andrew wrote:
> Saw Dionne on "The View" TV show this past week ...
Don't know about her voice today, and even though it is not my
favorite Warwick song (close, though), I feel her performance
of "Alfie" is as close to a female equivalent to Lenny Welch's
"Since I Fell For You" (in terms of singing perfection) as one
can get!
Clark
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:28:12 -0600
From: Barry Margolis
Subject: Re: Hollywood Jills
Sheila asked:
> I'm lookin' for info on Capitol girl group the Hollywood Jills -
> anyone got any?
I own a promo copy of "A Good Thing Baby" b/w "He Makes Me So Mad"
on Capitol P2176 from 1968. Both sides are produced by Joe Banashak
....who was a New Orleans producer and label owner. He owned the
Instant label. So...unless someone tells me otherwise, Hollywood
Jills must be from New Orleans.
Barry in Minneapolis
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:34:39 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Rhino girl group box
Mike Edwards:
> So Rhino are getting back to oldies and issuing a 4 box girl group
> set? Let's help them. Here are some titles deserving to see the
> light of CD day:
> * Cathy Brasher: "I'll Remember Jimmy" (1964), with Spector sidekick
> Ray Pohlman's throbbing bass line.
> I could go on. Hopefully fellow members will. I look forward to it.
How cool to see SOMEONE else on the planet want to have Miss Cathy
Brasher's "I'll Remember Jimmy" on Cd from the Master Tape!!
Such a GREAT lost GG record!! That early 60s guitar line is fantastic.
I tried to get Bill Buster at ERIC to release that, he declined.
Mikey
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:48:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Lapka Larry
Subject: Re: Colgems
Dear Clark, Davie and All: Thanks for all of the information regarding
Colpix/Colgems. Now I am certain a memory of mine is a true one. I
remember going into the old May's department store in Jamaica, Queens,
with my mom and sister one afternoon. We always bought our records
there. As you walked in one of the entrances, the record department
was on the left. I remember looking into the windows that separated
this entrance and the record department, and seeing a big display for
the David Jones LP! Hanging from the ceiling were displays promoting
The Monkees!
So, although Colpix ceased to exist by the time "Last Train to
Clarksville" came out, records on the Colpix label were still being
sold--or at least Davy's album was!
Larry Lapka
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:50:36 -0600
From: Michael Thom
Subject: Re: Colgems/Colpix/Bell/Amy/Mala/etc.
Arista also issued a budget series of "Flashback" albums that had
used hits from the '60s Bell-Mala-Amy-Colpix catalog. I remember
"Johnny Angel" was reissued by Bell-Arista's oldies label Flashback.
Bell did not acquire the Colpix catalogue. "Johnny Angel" was not
reissued on Flashback, nor were the James Darren Colpix hits. Those
wound up on Eric reissue singles. The Bell/Colgems deal apparently
included only the Monkees.
When Clive Davis became the president of Bell he wanted to create a
new rock image for the label, so Bell became Arista in 1975, and
promptly scored hits with the Bay City Rollers and Barry Manilow
(both old Bell signings!)
It was not so much a rock image as just a new image, period. Davis
took the name Arista from a New York honor society. When Davis took
over at Bell, Uttal started the Private Stock label.
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:46:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Lenny Welch
Clark Besch wrote:
> ...is as close to a female equivalent to Lenny Welch's "Since I
> Fell For You" (in terms of singing perfection) as one can get!
It's funny, but when I heard Lenny Welch's "Since I Fell For You" a
few weeks back (for about the 1000 time) I suddenly thought "what a
great job he did with that." Maybe one of you folks in Spectropop-
land knows something about this. Around 20 years ago, Lenny Welch
was part of a package show (Danny and the Juniors [post Danny],
Bobby Lewis) at our high school auditorium to benefit some police
auxillary, and he mentioned recording the song, then maybe going
into the army before it became a hit? My problem with it was that
his voice just didn't sound anything like the original record - did
his voice change substantially after his late teens, or did I
possibly see a fake Lenny?
Tom Taber
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:52:07 -0000
From: John H.
Subject: Re: Rhino girl group box
I would love to see more of Bernadette Peters' girl group sides make
it onto cd, as well as a lot of the various tracks that have been
played to Musica in the past year. Shelly Fabares "See You Round On
the Rebound" especially would be worth the price of any compilation.
John H.
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:08:57 -0000
From: S'pop Projects
Subject: The 2 Of Clubs
New @ S'pop: Walk Tall With The 2 Of Clubs
A '60s punk classic written by Pet Clark?! That was the unlikely
outcome when garage band the Remains cut the 'Downtown' star's
'Heart'. But to some, especially natives of Ohio, the song
belongs not to Petula or the Remains, but to Cincinnati's 2 Of
Clubs, a duo comprising Linda Parrish and Patti Valentine.
Read the full story here:
http://www.spectropop.com/2ofClubs/index.htm
Discussion very welcome.
Enjoy,
The S'pop Team
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:35:06 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Winfield Scott; Arthur Alexander; Peter Lacey; Cher on W/S
Frank Murphy:
> And for a photograph of Winfield plus advice on heating
> systems try here http://www.mitchellsupreme.com/news/mitchellfall02.pdf
Where do you (and also Tom Diehl) find this stuff? This is cool! As I've
mentioned before, he's just a couple of towns over from at least a couple of
us in this group....
I also like the track from the MGM album currently playing at musica.
Hans Huss mentions "Anna (Go To Him)" by Arthur Alexander (Dot) from the
early 60s. Agreed - very cool song by a completely under-rated writer and
singer. It's a shame he died just as he was finally getting his due a couple
of years ago. I also appreciate you citing "Hitch Hike" by Marvin Gaye
(Tamla); I think that "raw" period of early Motown was possibly the most
fascinating, as they were "sorting out" their sound and style and not afraid
to experiment.
I wrote:
> Heard a couple of tracks from the new Peter Lacey CD; will order.
> Very nice. Brian Wilson fans - you've been informed.
Dinsdale Hogg replied:
>I've got his first three albums but can find no link to this new
> one. Any info would be appreciated.
Check out www.dumbangel.freeserve.co.uk/peterhome.htm. First 20 orders get a
free copy of Peter's first. I eagerly await mine.
Rob, answering my query:
> The 3rd Cher track is a duet with Nilsson of A LOVE LIKE YOURS
> that was also produced by Phil Spector, although possibly a few
> months later than A Woman's Story/Baby I Love You. It was also
> a Warner-Spector single release.
Thanks for the info, and special thanks to Rick Hough for all the details. I
thought I had some knowledge about PS, but the size of the holes in that
knowledge pales when I come up against what you guys know.
Country Paul
(still a student)
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:21:54 -0600
From: Barry Margolis
Subject: Re: Dionne Warwick
Clark Besch:
> Don't know about her voice today, and even though it is not my
> favorite Warwick song (close, though), I feel her performance
> of "Alfie" is as close to a female equivalent to Lenny Welch's
> "Since I Fell For You" (in terms of singing perfection) as one
> can get!
What we need is a lot less Dionne and a lot more Dee Dee!!!!!
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:01:56 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Lenny Welch
Tom Taber:
> Around 20 years ago, Lenny Welch was part of a package show ...
> and he mentioned recording the song, then maybe going into the
> army before it became a hit? My problem with it was that his voice
> just didn't sound anything like the original record - did his
> voice change substantially after his late teens, or did I possibly
> see a fake Lenny?
I don't know anything about the circumstances of the recording, but
I saw him on the KRTH Legends show around (I think) '89, and he was
excellent. His voice sounded better than I expected 26 years after
the big hit.
gem
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:32:38 EST
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: The 2 Of Clubs
The S'pop Team:
> New @ S'pop: Walk Tall With The 2 Of Clubs
>
> A '60s punk classic written by Pet Clark?! That was the unlikely
> outcome when garage band the Remains cut the 'Downtown' star's
> 'Heart'. But to some, especially natives of Ohio, the song
> belongs not to Petula or the Remains, but to Cincinnati's 2 Of
> Clubs, a duo comprising Linda Parrish and Patti Valentine.
>
> Read the full story here:
> http://www.spectropop.com/2ofClubs/index.htm
Walk Tall was way ahead of its time. What a powerful, dynamite
record, with nearly perfect voices and arrangement. Brilliance!
Only in '67! ! ! Bobster
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:06:49 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Sammy Ambrose; Colpix, Colgems, Bell, etc.; Olay! and new box
Jeff Lemlich:
> You can see a photo of Ambrose (and the Afro-Beats, as
> well) in our tribute to him over at the Limestone Lounge:
> http://tinyurl.com/4f2ct
Absolutely fascinating, absolutely sad. Thanks, Jeff.
For Larry Lapka and others digging through the maze of
Colpix/Colgems/Bell/Arista, there's an Amy/Mala/Bell yahoogroup
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/amymalabell/?yguid=163037394 that may
have more info already, or you could "inquire within."
Related to this, Davie Gordon:
> It looks to me as if the contracts for Nesmith and Jones,
> who were already on Colpix,were transferred to Colgems
> and all the other Colpix artists were dropped with the
> exception of Hoyt Axton.
Mike Nesmith ("Michael Blessing") on Colpix? What did he sound like? Worth
finding? And are there any Hoyt Axton releases on Colgems? That seems to be
a strange match-up.
Phil M.:
> ...a dual ad [in the photo section] promoting both Oil
> of Olay and, of all things, Alvin & The Chipmunks.
Very interesting. By the way, has anyone ever seen the Olay they get the oil
from? (And do they squeeze it out or pump it?). Also, cool that you're
working on the Rhino box! I suggest The Joys' "I Still Love Him" (Valiant)
and the Luvs' "We Kiss In The Shadows" (Stallion) for inclusion.
Country Paul
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