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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Lenny Welch
From: Bob Celli
2. Re: A Cher's Story
From: Barry Margolis
3. Re: Colgems/Colpix/Bell/Amy/Mala/etc.
From: Billy G Spradlin
4. Re: Peter Lacey
From: Stratton Bearhart
5. Re: Lenny Welch
From: Bob Kacerow
6. Re: Walk Tall with the 2 Of Clubs
From: Howard Earnshaw
7. Re: Nesmith/Blessing
From: Austin Powell
8. Bob Stanley; Xmas thanks
From: Ken Silverwood
9. Re: Oldies stations with long playlists
From: John Fox
10. Re: Rhino g.g. box
From: Tony Waitekus
11. Re: Arthur Alexander (and Marvin Gaye)
From: Frank Murphy
12. Re: Colgems/Bell
From: Brent Cash
13. Re: Massiel and Françoise
From: Julio Niño
14. Re: Arthur Alexander
From: Norm D
15. Re: season's Blessing
From: Frank Uhle
16. Re: counting the cars w/ Scott & Simon; Rhino g.g. box
From: Phil X Milstein
17. Re: Lenny Welch; 2 Of Clubs
From: Tom Diehl
18. Re: The 2 Of Clubs
From: Simon White
19. Colgems
From: Lapka Larry
20. Colpix (pre-)Monkee stuff
From: Mikey
21. Re: Rhino girl group box
From: James Moniz
22. Re: The 2 Of Clubs
From: James Moniz
23. Re: Françoise and "Empty Sunday"
From: Chris Schneider
24. Re: Massiel and Françoise
From: Dave Monroe
25. acetate 45 help
From: Zach
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:02:28 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: Lenny Welch
Tom Taber wrote:
> It's funny, but when I heard Lenny Welch's "Since I Fell For You" a
> few weeks back (for about the 1000 time) I suddenly thought "what
> a great job he did with that." ... My problem with it was that his voice
> just didn't sound anything like the original record -- did his voice change
> substantially after his late teens, or did I possibly see a fake Lenny?
I saw Lenny do "Since I Fell For You" on a fairly recent PBS special and
although he did a credible job on it, the performance didn't match that
incredible record. Just goes to show you that many of those great hits
are two and a half minutes of magic never to be recaptured.
Bob Celli
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:25:20 -0600
From: Barry Margolis
Subject: Re: A Cher's Story
Jeffery Kennedy wrote:
> Marc Almond (formerly of Soft Cell) covered "A Woman's Story,"
> and quite well, so if you're interested in the song, you might want to
> check that out.
> Cher's version is great. My single is EXTREMELY battered, and I'd
> love to have the track on CD.
Was "A Woman's Story" on the "Stars" LP? I've yet to find a track listing.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:40:09 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: Colgems/Colpix/Bell/Amy/Mala/etc.
Michael Thom wrote:
> Bell did not acquire the Colpix catalogue. "Johnny Angel" was not
> reissued on Flashback, nor were the James Darren Colpix hits. Those
> wound up on Eric reissue singles. The Bell/Colgems deal apparently
> included only the Monkees.
Thanks for correcting me. I worked for a small-town radio station in the '80s
that played "Johnny Angel" from a reissue single, and I couldn't remember
what the label looked like.
I know that Rhino now owns the Colpix masters, having acquired them when
they bought Roulette Records in the '80s. I wonder how Morris Levy wound
up with the Colpix catalog. Did he purchase the Colpix masters directly from
Columbia Pictures, or was the label sold off to someone else after Colgems
was started? Many Colpix 45s and albums were pressed by CBS, so perhaps
they had a stake in the company. It's a real mystery!
> It was not so much a rock image as just a new image, period. Davis
> took the name Arista from a New York honor society. When Davis
> took over at Bell, Uttal started the Private Stock label.
I don't think Clive could have signed the Patti Smith Group, Lou Reed, The
Kinks and later Graham Parker to Bell. That label had a bubblegum/Top 40
one-shot reputation that almost rivaled Buddah's by 1974, so no wonder
he changed the company name.
Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:03:13 -0000
From: Stratton Bearhart
Subject: Re: Peter Lacey
Dindale Hogg wrote:
> I've got his first three albums but can find no link to this new one.
> Any info would be appreciated.
One very good reason you might not have been able to trace this album
is because it has only become available this week! :-
http://www.dumbangel.freeserve.co.uk/shopsfal.htm
There's also a new web page up for "Songs From A Loft," with some
tasty audio to listen to:
http://songsfromaloft.homestead.com/index.html
In my opinion far and away Lacey's finest to date, and essential listening
for subjects of Wilsonia.
Best,
Stratton B
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:44:21 -0500
From: Bob Kacerow
Subject: Re: Lenny Welch
Tom Taber wrote:
> It's funny, but when I heard Lenny Welch's "Since I Fell For You" a
> few weeks back (for about the 1000 time) I suddenly thought "what
> a great job he did with that." ... My problem with it was that his voice
> just didn't sound anything like the original record -- did his voice change
> substantially after his late teens, or did I possibly see a fake Lenny?
I'm thinking a fake Lenny, but who can be sure? The last time I saw him I
sure still thought the voice was there.
Bob K
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:26:53 -0500
From: Howard Earnshaw
Subject: Re: Walk Tall with the 2 Of Clubs
Methinks "Walk Tall Like A Man" found a UK outlet on the President label.
Can anyone confirm?
Thanks,
Howard
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:17:33 -0000
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Re: Nesmith/Blessing
Country Paul asked:
> Mike Nesmith ("Michael Blessing") on Colpix? What did he sound
> like? Worth finding?
The British Sequel label issued Blessing/Nesmith's "The New Recuit"
(Colpix 787, December '65) on their "Colpix-Dimension Story" CD in 1994
-- a few may still be around on the second-hand market. The notes say
that Nesmith had already auditioned for The Monkees when Bob Krasnow
signed him to Colpix. Krasnow subsequently sold Nesmith's contract to
The Monkees' producers.
Austin P.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:51:07 -0000
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Bob Stanley; Xmas thanks
Bob Stanley does a quite lengthy and glowing review of Bear Family's
Del Shannon box set in this month's Mojo magazine. Bob also is the
reason I connected to Spectropop. Many years ago I read a review of one
of the earlier "Here Come The Girls" CDs, released then by Sequel. At
the end of his review he recommended Spectropop for people with a
craving for more. Many thanks, Bob!
At this time of the year I would like to send out my thanks to the many
compilers and researchers who have made this year one of the most
expensive my credit card has ever known! I told my wife when we had
Internet and broadband installed that no more CDs would be dropping
through the letterbox. Pahh! It's only increased. Kenny Lynch, Del
Shannon, Lou Christie, Smile (Good Vibrations by Brian Wison at #30
in UK chart as I type), Girl Group comps galore (with more to come, I see),
Julie Grant, and that's only in the last month or so. To me the booklets are
as much of an enjoyment as listening to the tracks, so once again your
efforts are much appreciated.
Ken On The West Coast.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:49:42 EST
From: John Fox
Subject: Re: Oldies stations with long playlists
Tom Taber wrote:
> I will never believe that a station would lose more listeners by
> playing a "mistake" (and a fairly respectable hit!) all the way
> through than by yanking it just as I, and hopefully some others,
> were just getting into singing along.
This situation continues to be a sad one. Here in Cincinnati we have had
the pleasure of a real AM oldies station for the past few years (WSAI, 1530).
They played only songs before 1968, with lots and lots of obscurities, doo
wop, etc., and featured many of the 1960s DJs, including the great Dusty
Rhodes, on the air live. Unfortunately, it was just announced that as of
January 1 WSAI will become a liberal talk-radio station. And while that in
and of itself, is a major feat in conservative Cincinnati, it is a shame to
lose real oldies WSAI.
John Fox
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:26:34 -0600
From: Tony Waitekus
Subject: Re: Rhino g.g. box
OK, here are my last suggestions for the Rhino girl box:
Andrea Carroll: It Hurts To Be Sixteen
Andrea Carroll: The Doo Lang
Tony Waitekus
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:06:40 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Re: Arthur Alexander (and Marvin Gaye)
I wrote:
> And for a photograph of Winfield plus advice on heating systems
> try http://www.mitchellsupreme.com/news/mitchellfall02.pdf
Country Paul asked:
> Where do you (and also Tom Diehl) find this stuff?
I don't know about Tom but in spare time I gumshoe for the We Never Sleep
detective agency. Lost cats (cool or otherwise) our specialty.
> Hans Huss mentions "Anna (Go To Him)" by Arthur Alexander (Dot)
> from the early 60s. Agreed - very cool song by a completely under-
> rated writer and singer. It's a shame he died just as he was finally
> getting his due a couple of years ago.
A few years ago Record Collector surveyed the sets of the early sixties
Liverpool groups and the third most popular source of songs, after (I think)
Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly, was Arthur Alexander. The Stones, of course,
also did "You Better Move On." Also The Bee Gees sang "Everday I Have
To Cry Some," Bob Dylan did "Sally Sue Brown," and Otis recorded one of
his songs as well.
> I also appreciate you citing "Hitch Hike" by Marvin Gaye (Tamla).
> I think that "raw" period of early Motown was possibly the most
> fascinating, as they were "sorting out" their sound and style and
> not afraid to experiment.
Agreed. When I saw Marvin Gaye miming to this on Ready Steady Go, even
though he was in white tie and tails I thought he was the coolest guy I'd
seen. After many years of listening to the odd track on Motown memories
albums I bought the Mable John collection earlier this year. A great and
mostly unreleased early sixties set from Mable before she left for Stax and
The Raelettes.
FrankM
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 03:32:08 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Re: Colgems/Bell
Michael Thom wrote:
> The Bell/Colgems deal apparently included only The Monkees.
It's possible that another group survived the Colgems/Bell "shake-up":
P.K. Limited. They put out five fine 45s* on Colgems, then in '71 or '72
appeared on Bell as simply P.K. with "Girl Like You"/ "Coins". I wasn't
sure if it was the same group or not, but the "Peyton-Kaniger" songwriting
credit prevalent on the earlier singles is on the Bell single as well.
"Girl Like You" might appeal to fans of Teenage Fanclub and the saner
moments on Big Star's "3rd" (e.g. "For You").
Best wishes,
Brent Cash
*Try saying that five times fast! --Admin
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:36:12 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Re: Massiel and Françoise
Hola, everybody.
Dave Monroe wrote, some days ago:
> St. E have also covered, on the Francophone front, Massiel's
> "La La La" and Francoise Hardy's "Tout Les Garcons And Les
> Filles".
I don´t know if Massiel can speak French, but she, as well as the
composers of "La, La, La" ( Arcusa & De la Calva), were Spanish.
Maybe you are not familiar with the story behind "La, La, La". The
song was selected to represent Spain in the 1968 Eurovision Song
Contest. It was first intended to be sung by popular singer-songwriter
Joan Manuel Serrat, and was recorded by him in several languages.
A few days before the contest, Serrat demanded to sing it in Catalan,
which generated an enormous controversy. The Spanish authorities
rejected it and quickly replaced Serrat with Massiel. Massiel recorded
the song in a hurry, with arranger Bert Kaempfert, and, dressed in a
great Courrèges, she defended Spain in Eurovision, winning first place.
I don´t like much Massiel´s voice. I usually find her singing too rude
for my taste. Perhaps my favorite song by her, though, is the very poetic
"Rosas En El Mar" (roses in the sea), in which she sounds a little like
Italian singer Patty Bravo.
Changing the subject, Clark Besch commented in a recent post that
he liked very much some songs by Françoise Hardy sung in French,
but that he was a little disappointed when he listened to one of them
sung in English. It´s funny, because I love Françoise singing in French
(in fact she's probably my favorite among my many beloved French
female singers), and I also like her very much singing in Italian, but
when I listen to her singing in English, with that charming accent, I
completely melt.
I remember listening some years ago in a club to one of Françoise
tracks sung in English, I think it was titled "Empty Sunday". By the next
month or so I was completely obsessed with that melancholic song,
which, by the way , I've never heard again.
A merry Christmas to everyone. Chao,
Julio Niño.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:37:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Norm D
Subject: Re: Arthur Alexander
Country Paul wrote:
> Hans Huss mentions "Anna (Go To Him)" by Arthur Alexander (Dot)
> from the early 60s. Agreed - very cool song by a completely under-
> rated writer and singer. It's a shame he died just as he was finally
> getting his due a couple of years ago.
A good book on the man is "Get A Shot Of Rhythm And Blues: The Arthur
Alexander Story," by Richard Younger. It's only a couple of years old, but
I fear may be out of print already. It's well worth tracking down. He truly
was a cool singer, and is the only guy I can think of whose songs (as
writer, or as first singer) have been covered by The Beatles, Stones,
Elvis P., Elvis C., Bob Dylan and Nick Lowe. And that doesn't include
the all-star "tribute" album, which was released just before his sudden
death. The last I read, there wasn't even a proper grave-stone for him,
though other S'poppers may have more recent information on this.
I will read and savour absolutely anything about Arthur the Great, so
more stories, please.
Norm D.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:22:19 -0500
From: Frank Uhle
Subject: Re: season's Blessing
Country Paul asked:
> Mike Nesmith ("Michael Blessing") on Colpix? What did he sound like?
I have the Michael Blessing 45 on Colpix, "Until It's Time For You To Go"
and "What Seems to Be the Trouble, Officer." The A-side is a respectable,
produced, pop version of the Buffy St.-Marie number. It could have fit on
an early Monkees album, though perhaps as a Davy song. The flip is an
acoustic Bob Dylan parody, which is not bad, and definitely unlike anything
I've heard from Nesmith either as a Monkee or solo.
Frank
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:21:17 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: counting the cars w/ Scott & Simon; Rhino g.g. box
Frank Murphy:
> And for a photograph of Winfield plus advice on heating systems
> try here http://www.mitchellsupreme.com/news/mitchellfall02.pdf
Thanks for that link, Frank. Scott offers an interesting nugget of info there,
reporting that he wrote "Tweedle Dee" while riding in a bus on the New
Jersey Turnpike, which thus connects it with, of all things, Paul Simon's
"America."
Many thanks for all the suggestions for track considerations for Rhino's
girl group box. Alas, it is too far into the set's development for them to still
be taking input at this point, but it'll be interesting to compare your lists to
the box's actual contents when it is released.
We consultants have been asked by the producers not to reveal any of
theselection list yet, perhaps to maximize the surprise element when it is
released. However, having finally seen the list, I can hardly wait to listen
to the thing, such an amazing mix of rare nuggets and semi-familiar gems
it will be. In fact, I am so certain it will knock the socks off of nearly anyone
even halfway into this sort of thing that I will offer to buy out (minus the
customary 15% restocking fee, of course) any customer who is disappointed
by it. I guarantee that the day that we can put those four suckers into our
CD multiplayers and run the set, first in sequence and then again in
random mode, will be a day of joyous listening indeed.
Anticipatorily,
--Phil M.
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:47:30 -0000
From: Tom Diehl
Subject: Re: Lenny Welch; 2 Of Clubs
Tom Taber wrote:
> It's funny, but when I heard Lenny Welch's "Since I Fell For You" a
> few weeks back (for about the 1000 time) I suddenly thought "what
> a great job he did with that." ... My problem with it was that his voice
> just didn't sound anything like the original record -- did his voice change
> substantially after his late teens, or did I possibly see a fake Lenny?
Lenny was featured on one of those PBS specials a few years back (I lose
track of who was on which one, since there have been so many recently),
and he sounded absolutely wonderful. His voice did sound close to what
it did 40 years ago, and that astounded me.
> A '60s punk classic written by Pet Clark?! That was the unlikely
> outcome when garage band the Remains cut the 'Downtown'
> star's 'Heart'. But to some, especially natives of Ohio, the song
> belongs not to Petula or the Remains, but to Cincinnati's 2 Of
> Clubs, a duo comprising Linda Parrish and Patti Valentine.
> Read the full story here:
> http://www.spectropop.com/2ofClubs/index.htm
Yes! I love the 2 Of Clubs! I already had a promo single of Let Me Walk
With You / You Love Me, but Joe Nelson hooked me up with the rest of
their released output. I read on S'pop, I believe it was, that Heart was also
included on an Ace CD for the first time in stereo. Is that true? If so, what
CD was it? I wish some reissue company would haul out all of their session
tapes and release everything they've done, in stereo, preferably with studio
talk and extended endings/cold fades or whatnot. I think it would all fit onto
a single CD.
Tom Diehl
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:21:13 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: The 2 Of Clubs
>From Walk Tall With The 2 Of Clubs at
http://www.spectropop.com/2ofClubs/index.htm :
> Patti concludes, "Several years ago Linda remarried. She and her
> husband are well off financially and have a place in Colorado. I
> am happy for her. Linda is a very vibrant person and has a busy
> life." Not too busy, though, for the occasional 2 Of Clubs reunion,
> the most recent of which was in 1999 at a big oldies festival
> organised by WGRR in Cincinnati headlined by Little Richard.
The 2 Of Clubs and Little Richard on he same bill ?? Mmmmm.... !
"Walk Tall (Like A Man)" is one of my favourite songs. Christy Allen's
version on Diamond edges it for me because of its Northern Soul beat
but I'm rather keen on Verdelle Smith's version too.
Simon White
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:26:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Lapka Larry
Subject: Colgems
Dear Country Paul:
Colgems 1005 August 1967: San Fernando/Ten Thousand
Sunsets (Hoyt Axton)
And with a picture sleeve yet!
Go to my Colgems Yahoo Group to see the sleeve in the
picture gallery.
Larry Lapka
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:52:27 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Colpix (pre-)Monkee stuff
Yea, I do not think the Davy Jones Lp was ever re-issued. Since that
Lp came out in mid 1965 and the Monkees in 1966, I think they were
just selling existing stock, of which I'm sure there was a lot of!
Mike Nesmith had, I think, three 45s released on Colpix. "The New
Recruit" was one, "What's The Trouble Officer" was another, not sure
of the third.
I have a bootleg Cd that has all of the Monkees pre monkee 45s on it.
Also has Davy's entire Colpix LP!!
Mikey
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:59:07 -0500
From: James Moniz
Subject: Re: Rhino girl group box
I'd like to see some ACTUAL girl-group songs on the Rhino girl group
box. By groups...not solo artists. The reason I'm not buying Where
The Girls Are V. 6.
-James
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:48:31 -0500
From: James Moniz
Subject: Re: The 2 Of Clubs
"Walk Tall" by 2 of Clubs made #75 Cash Box and #92 Pop? Wow! It
really didn't deserve that...and in 1967??? I'M SO AGGRIVATED! I
could think of 1,000 girl-group songs that I would rather have
had charted (soul girl-groups)! Heck! I'd have rather seen April
March's "Chick Habit" make it than that! And to think that they
had a bubbling under chart hit with "Heart" too! URGGH!
--James
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:38:41 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Chris Schneider
Subject: Re: Françoise and "Empty Sunday"
Julio Niño wrote:
> I remember listening some years ago in a club to one of Françoise
> tracks sung in English, I think it was titled "Empty Sunday." By
> the next month or so I was completely obsessed with that melancholic
> song, which, by the way, I've never heard again.
Reminds me of how I feel about Dusty and her take on Randy Newman's
"I've Been Wrong Before."
AMG does refer to a Francoise Hardy song by that title, FYI. They
list it on an album called "Francoise Hardy en Anglais" (Sonopress; HY
30-901), and say that it's a reworking of a Keith Reif single entitled
"Shapes In My Mind."
Bbest wishes of The Season to Julio and all others ...
Chris
"For all we know, this may only be a dream;
"We come and go like ripples on a stream ..."
-- June Christy, singing Coots & Lewis
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:39:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Massiel and Françoise
Julio Niño wrote:
> I don´t know if Massiel can speak French, but she,
> as well as the composers of "La, La, La" (Arcusa &
> De la Calva), were Spanish....
I think I confused an album of French pop covers with
an album of Eurovision songs and covers. My bad. But
as I've a couple of friends working on projects
regarding muisc and nationalism, that's an interesting
anecdote. Thanks as always ...
> Changing the subject, Clark Besch commented in a
> recent post that he liked very much some songs by
> Françoise Hardy sung in French, but that he was a
> little disappointed when he listened to one of them
> sung in English. It´s funny, because I love
> Françoise singing in French (in fact she's probably
> my favorite among my many beloved French female
> singers), and I also like her very much singing
> in Italian, but when I listen to her singing in
> English, with that charming accent, I completely
> melt.
Again interesting, as I agree, with the exception of
FH's very charming indeed recording of "Catch a
Falling Star," I agree with Clark. In my case, I
think it's precisely because "my" French is virtually
nonexistant, and I can lose myself in the pure
musicality of her voice (cf. Liz Fraser from Coceau
Twins, who isn't always necessarily singing in any
given language, though her "nonsense" is largely
phonetically English nonsense). But you obviously
know English ...
> I remember listening some years ago in a club to
> one of Françoise tracks sung in English, I think
> it was titled "Empty Sunday". By the next month or
> so I was completely obsessed with that melancholic
> song, which, by the way , I've never heard again.
It's on the Francoise Hardy en Anglaise LP, a.k.a.
Loving (Reprise, both 1969). Here's some info ...
http://www.geroki.de/fhf097.htm
I don't recall if there's a French language version of
the song ...
> A merry Christmas to everyone. Chao, Julio Niño.
Right back atcha.
Dave M.
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:09:04 -0000
From: Zach
Subject: acetate 45 help
Hello all,
This afternoon I found a couple of acetate 45 singles. They are both one-sided and I was wondering if anyone could help me identify them.
The first single has a label on it that reads that it was produced by Mira Sound Studios, Inc. out of New York City. Track is titled "Changes"(new
track)" Everything is typewritten on that one.
The track is an instrumental. It's kind of garage-y psych pop, with an almost exotica flare to the sound. It starts with some kind of primitive percussion instruments with some dubby/echo reverb type of effects used.
There are two percussion instruments which are almost metronome sounding. It's great, but I have no idea who it was by. Some organ is used, a nice fuzz guitar sound...kind of R&B sounding.
On the second acetate, the label reads TRO (The Richmond Organization), also out
of NYC. The song title is "I'm Gonna Sing Me a Love Song." It's by (I assume) Melody Trails. I can't find a thing about Melody Trails.
The track is definitely '50s or '60s folk (I am thinking more '60s) and it is very sparse and beautiful--the vocalist even starts to whistle a chorus.
I did an online search for TRO and found that they are affiliated with Folkways among other labels.
Maybe someone on here may know.
Oh, I am also trying to find a funk/R&B group called the Majestics. I found a acetate single by them a while ago. I know there were several Majestics, and I know there are some that have been released, but this sounds like it could be a unique one.
Help me out!
-Zach
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