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There are 16 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Ivanhoe Records
From: Davie Gordon
2. Re: Ivanhoe Records
From: Simon White
3. Artie and a three-wheeled car?
From: Joe Nelson
4. Re: "Hanky Panky"
From: Joe Nelson
5. "Walk Away Renee"
From: Dave Monroe
6. Re: Tommy James
From: ACJ
7. Euro-visions Records - feat April March, Saint-Etienne....
From: Jean-Emmanuel Dubois
8. Françoise and Keith
From: Steve Harvey
9. Re: "Hanky Panky"
From: Mikey
10. Crimson and clover, over and over
From: Charles G Hill
11. A three-wheeled car?
From: Various
12. Welcome Steve Propes
From: Mick Patrick
13. Re: Saint Etienne
From: John H
14. Welcome Steve Propes
From: Gary Myers
15. Re: Happy Together
From: Deena J Canale
16. Re: Ivanhoe Records
From: Davie Gordon
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:53:22 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: Ivanhoe Records
Me:
> It's prety sketchy but here's what inf. I have on Ivanhoe releases
> in my database. Additions / corrections / comments welcomed...
Steve P:
> Ivanhoe 5018 is by Walter Scott & the Kapers - "I Want To Thank You"
> b/w "Brand New Girl" from 1967 Writers are E. Scott/W. Scott,
> arranged by James Carmichael, which means it's definitely L.A.
Thanks for the aditional info - but why do you think it's from
'67? The next release (5019 - Dolly and The Fashions) was listed
as a new release in Billboard for March 13, 1965.
I've a suspicion, but as yet no proof, that this Ivanhoe label
is tied in with the Commerce label - the numbers fit into Commerce's
numbering system and the label for Dolly and The Fashions shows
the full numebr as C-5019.
There may after all be a Wenzlaff - Masacari connection as they
both spent time in Los Angeles "we couldn't get arrested" before
returning to Chicago.
I'll give it another week to see if anything else turns up
then I'll post a revised Ivanhoe / Wenzlaff - Mascari listing.
> Pretty sure it's no connection to the Walter Scott of Bob Kuban
> fame.
I agree - this is probably the Walter Scott (Walter Jame Scott
per BMI) who recorded for Paul Gayten's Pzazz label in '68/69.
Davie
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:39:14 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Ivanhoe Records
Stephen C. Propes wrote -
> Ivanhoe 5018 is by Walter Scott & the Kapers - "I Want To Thank You"
> b/w "Brand New Girl" from 1967 Writers are E. Scott/W. Scott,
> arranged by James Carmichael, which means it's definitely L.A.
> Pretty sure it's no connection to the Walter Scott of Bob Kuban fame.
I'm not saying this is him but...there's a Walter (and a Wallace) Scott
in The Whispers who were recording in L.A. on the Dore label around
this time. It all adds to the discussion....
Simon White
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 01:39:07 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Artie and a three-wheeled car?
Artie Wayne:
> Next I want to apologize to my old friend Kenny Young ["Under
> the Boardwalk"], now living in the U.K., who contacted me after
> 30 years!. He read my post where I said that he and I used to
> drive around New York City in his brothers 3-Wheeled car...
> trying to pick up girls. He accused me of having an "Overactive
> Imagination" his brother never had a 3-Wheeled car! Upon thinking
> about it I realize it was somebody else!
I'm curious as to just what a three-wheeled car is. The only clue
I have comes from a cartoon I saw in a magazine at the height of
the CD craze. The cartoon showed a guy in a car, keying the mic
as he watched a tire roll down the street: "Breaker for a three
wheeler... nine wheeler... seventeen wheeler...."
Such simpler times in those days...
> Finally, I want to thank you for all of your support on my new
> ROCK STARZ venture: http://artiewayne.com/art.html and wish you
> all the happiest of of holidays...and may God bless Joe Nelson.
And may God bless you too. My wife was with me when I first checked
out that Hendrix piece, and we were absolutely floored - "does that
thing glow in the dark?"
To those privy to Artie's comment: I'll update on the situation
mainly by saying every day is something new. I'm not comfortable
with the direction things are taking, but the family is safe and
there is reason to hope. Thank you again for all your support.
God bless,
Joe Nelson
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:53:22 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: "Hanky Panky"
Michael Thom re: "Hanky Panky":
> The song was recorded at a radio station in 1963 in mono. Roulette
> may have had a copy of the master tape, but Rhino did not acquire
> it when it purchased the TJ catalogue from Roulette.
I'm pretty sure Roulette's master was taken from a disc. I had a
cassette of the Greatest Hits album that I bought in 1987 (before
Rhino bought the label) and the scratches you hear on the Rhino
version were still noticeable, particularly on the intro and the last
"breakdown" (Tommy''s solo vocal before each verse where the band
stops playing for a moment). There's also the possibility given the
time and method of recording that the group may have recorded
the backing track, transfered it to acetate and did the vocals in
sound-on-sound fashion, singing along with the acetate while the tape
recorder caught the live mix.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:36:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: "Walk Away Renee"
That Alan Gordon wrote:
> "Walk Away Renee" and "Pretty Ballerina" are two of my favorite
> songs to this day....
Has anyone here heard Sylvie Vartan's cover of "Walk Away Renee",
"Quand un amour renaît"? Absolutely gorgeous. There's also a nice
version of The Four Tops' "I Can't Help Myself" ("Garde moi dans ta
poche") on the same record. Ostensibly the "Par amour, par pitie"
EP--the first track, at least, of the traditional four--or RCA 86.187
(on ebay.fr, they as often as not seem only to use such numbers), but
I go by the sleeves: http://park1.wakwak.com/~record/image3855.jpg
Billy Bragg's spoken-word-over-acoustic-backing recording is a
favorite as well. But while I'm at it, anyone have any favorite and/
or recommended foreign language covers of songs in English? Thanks!
And Happy Boxing Day
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:19:22 -0500
From: ACJ
Subject: Re: Tommy James
For Michael Thom: As someone who regularly bought Tommy James's records
when I was a kid and played them to death, but somehow still has most of
them, I THANK you for the TJ info.
And about "Ball of Fire": That song is a teeth-clencher for me, but not
because of the song itself. It seems that whenever I bought a copy of
the single, it would cause my needle to skip, as if the bass drum was
too much for it! And I'd take the single back and get a new copy, and
the same thing would happen! It wasn't until I got the TJ / Shondells
"Best Of" album that I finally got an unskipping "Ball of Fire"! (Anyone
else have the same eperience?)
ACJ
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:02:13 +0100
From: Jean-Emmanuel Dubois
Subject: Euro-visions Records - feat April March, Saint-Etienne....
Dear Spectropopers!!! Merry Christmas
I'm a spectropopper too and I run a pop label and I would like to
draw your attention to our new releases. You can listen to MP3
samples and watch clips too on our website: www.euro-visions.com
If you like our music you should support us and go to our e-shop
(for indie labels every record sale count!!)
I'm working on my own album too with contributions from Sean
O'Hagan (High Llamas), April March, The Heavy Blinkers, Bertrand
Burgalat, Van Dyke Parks and I'm always looking for contributions!!!
Jean-Emmanuel
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:48:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Françoise and Keith
Chris Schneider wrote:
> AMG does refer to a Francoise Hardy song by that
> title, FYI. They list it on an album called
> "Francoise Hardy en Anglais" (Sonopress; HY 30-901),
> and say that it's a reworking of a Keith Reif single
> entitled "Shapes In My Mind."
I always wondered about that melody since I'm a
Yardbirds fan and knew of the Keith Relf song. Glad to
hear that I'm, not imaging things. Always loved June
Christy's take on Lazy Afternoon. One of those tunes
my parents played and I inherited a love for it.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:56:03 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: "Hanky Panky"
Joe Nelson:
> I'm pretty sure Roulette's master was taken from a disc.
Roulette mastered "Hanky Panky" from an original SNAP 45. Tommy
never had the master tape.
When Rhino re-issued the song in the late 80s, they borrowed Bud
Burkheart's clean SNAP 45 and mastered from that.
One of those sonsg we will never hear in stereo, unfortunately.
Mikey
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:21:16 -0600
From: Charles G Hill
Subject: Crimson and clover, over and over
An addendum to Mike Thom's Tommy James version analysis:
There is a sixth version of "Crimson", which appeared on the first
Dick Bartley "On the Radio" compilation for Varese Vintage, which
seems to be an actual stereo mix of Version 1 with the proper IP2.
I say "seems" because I dug out my Roulette "Golden Goodies" reissue
45 for comparison, and despite the 3:23 timing on the label, it
contains the five-minute-plus Version 2 - in mono. Corroboration or
contradiction, one way or another, would be welcomed.
cgh
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:42:12 -0000
From: Various
Subject: A three-wheeled car?
A selection of posts sharing one (off) topic:
Artie Wayne:
> ... (Kenny Young's) brother never had a 3-Wheeled car! Upon thinking
> about it I realize it was somebody else!
Joe Nelson:
> I'm curious as to just what a three-wheeled car is...
In Britain there's a very famous make of very cheap car called a
Reliant, which had two wheels at the back and one on the front, and a
fibreglass body. They looked like this -
http://uk.geocities.com/tradcarclub/images/ReliantRobin.JPG
Andrew Hickey
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NRBQ have a song about a three-wheeled car, a Terry Adams original
titled "Little Floater." Not only is it one of their best songs, but
I venture to say one of the finest love songs anyone's ever written
about an inanimate object. Find it on their 1989 "Wild Weekend"
album, as well their 2-CD "greatest hits" compilation, "Peek-A-Boo,"
on Rhino.
Not a sales pitch,
--Phil M.
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"Welcome to 3-wheelers.com, the online A-Z of
3-wheeled cars with over 920 pages of 3-wheeler info."
http://www.3wheelers.com/enter.html
"Welcome to my Three Wheeled Links!!"
http://www.ccpc.net/~jaho/3link.html
My favorite, however, is the BMW Isetta ...
http://www.cqql.net/bmw.htm
http://www.3wheelers.com/bmw.html
http://www.bmwworld.com/models/vintage/isetta.htm
Hope something there is of some help ...
Dave Monroe
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I saw a 3-wheeled car in a 1963 Bob Hope/Frankie Avalon movie called
"I'll Take Sweden". I don't know if the cars were ever marketed in
the US although I suspect not. The brand was "Isetta" and the door
was on the front of the car. If you watch the '68 version of
"Bedazzled" Eleanor Bron gets picked up from her job at Wimpyburger
by a boyfriend driving one near the start of the film. Anywhoo, peace
and cool yule for all Spectropoppers!
mo
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:39:38 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Welcome Steve Propes
Boys and girls, please welcome to Spectropop new conscript
Steve Propes. As some of you might know, Steve wrote the
book L.A. R&B Vocal Groups (Big Nickel Publications, 2001),
one of my most thumbed reference sources. Read more about
the book by Spectrosearching the name "Steve Propes", or
at the URL: http://tinyurl.com/5pfz2
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:10:29 -0000
From: John H
Subject: Re: Saint Etienne
Previously:
> Still they keep their 60s pop references going, it's almost
> a game to spot the quote/reference to other (usually obscure
> songs) in
A friend just bought me the Etiennes' awesome "Travel Edition" cd,
and it made me recall another S-pop reference in their catalog:
Like a Motorway -> borrowed melody from folk song Silver Dagger, as
done by Dolly Parton, Joan Baez, and the Caravelles (who used the
same melody for "Don't Sing Love Songs.")
-John H
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:11:11 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Welcome Steve Propes
For those who may not know, our new member Steve Propes is a doo-wop
expert, hs written several books and done TV and radio shows for many
years in the L.A./Long Beach area.
gem
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:56:45 -0500
From: Deena J Canale
Subject: Re: Happy Together
That Alan Gordon:
> ...regarding the Left Banke, I never heard of "Happy Together" being
> pitched to them.
Thanks, Alan. In the article, Ms. Eden was quoting their road manager
on this particular tidbit, so it seemed a bit fishy to me...but it's an
appealing, intriguing idea nonetheless.
> "Your name and mine inside a heart upon the wall, still finds a way
> to haunt me, though the're so small". It doesn`t get better than that.
You're telling me! With the sole exception of my current relationship,
these lines pretty much encapsulate my entire "romantic history," such
as it is--a nutshell, indeed.
Signed D.C.
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:15:18 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: Ivanhoe Records
Simon White wrote:
> I'm not saying this is him but...there's a Walter (and a Wallace)
> Scott in The Whispers who were recording in L.A. on the Dore label
> around this time. It all adds to the discussion....
Yeah, I know about that Walter Scott, Simon, but dismissed that
possibility as the Whispers had already been recording for around
two years by the time that Ivanhoe single was issued so they were
tied up contractually at the time with another Los Angeles label.
Davie
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