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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Freddie Perren
From: S'pop Projects
2. 60sgaragebands.com January Updates
From: Mike Dugo
3. Re: Saint Etienne
From: Dave Monroe
4. Gallagher and Lyle
From: Don
5. Whispers, etc.
From: James Botticelli
6. www.joeyheatherton.net and other closed web-sites
From: Ian Slater
7. Foreign Language versions
From: Frank Murphy
8. Tommy James covers
From: Dave Monroe
9. Re: Foreign Language versions
From: Dave Monroe
10. Re: Cher and Cher alike; Warner-Spector
From: Phil X Milstein
11. Re: What's your fave Xmas tune?
From: Albin Lindström
12. Re: Tommy James "I Think We're Alone Now"
From: Bill Mulvy
13. Re: Gallagher and Lyle
From: Bob Kacerow
14. Re: Welcome Steve Propes
From: Phil X Milstein
15. Re: Tommy James/Crystal Blue Persuasion
From: Glenn
16. Messerschmidt; Welcome, Steve Propes
From: Country Paul
17. Re: "Walk Away Renee"
From: David Goodwin
18. 13th Floor Elevator Compilation/Marci Blane
From: Max Weiner
19. Re: "Walk Away Renee"
From: Frank
20. Re: Gallagher and Lyle
From: Frank Murphy
21. Re: Foreign language versions
From: Frank Murphy
22. Re: Marcie Blane
From: Mick Patrick
23. Re: 13th Floor Elevator Compilation / Tommy James
From: Eddy
24. Re: Welcome Steve Propes
From: Claire Francis
25. Re: Foreign language versions
From: Frank
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:35:07 -0000
From: S'pop Projects
Subject: Freddie Perren
Dear members,
We are in need of a picture of recently deceased songwriter
Freddie Perren for use in the S'pop Recommends section. Can
you help? If so, please reply to this message and one of the
S'pop Team will get back to you.
Thanks in advance.
The S'pop Team
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:37:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Dugo
Subject: 60sgaragebands.com January Updates
January's updates are now online at http://www.60sgaragebands.com
Featured this month are exhaustive recollections with three members
of New Orleans' Better Half-Dozen: Rickey Moore, Frank Maier, and
Steve Sklamba. Also featured are interviews with Marc Chapman of
The Thunderbolts and Mike Brassard of Mike & The Ravens. Finally
J.C. Clore of The Third Booth provides details on the recording of
his band's classic "I Need Love."
Check it out at http://www.60sgaragebands.com
Mike Dugo
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:47:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Saint Etienne
John H wrote:
> Like a Motorway -> borrowed melody from folk song
> Silver Dagger, as done by Dolly Parton, Joan Baez,
> and the Caravelles (who used the same melody for
> "Don't Sing Love Songs.")
All that over decidedly Kraftwerkian instrumentation!
Though i still gotta figure out where that break after
the choruses or whatever came from (if anywhere else),
not to mention that line about "He said her skin/
Smelled just like pebbles." Thanks as always ...
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:26:15 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Gallagher and Lyle
Benny Gallagher and Graham Lyle were two of the first writers
to be signed by Apple records in the 60s and wrote for several
artists of the period.
They were also part of McGuiness Flint and had several albums
that were released in the US on Capitol before going on their
own and doing at least 5 more albums as a duo on Capitol and A&M.
I have most on vinyl but would like to know if anyone knows of
these albums being released on CD. I know there is a Greatest Hits
CD, but misses a lot of my favorites.
Ones I'm most interested in:
McGuiness - Flint: self titled and Happy Birthday Ruthie Baby
McGuiness - Flint: Coulson and Dean. Bob Dylan covers
Dennis Coulson: self titled
Gallagher and Lyle: Seeds, Last Cowboy, Breakaway, self titled
After the pair split, Graham Lyle co-wrote "What's Love Got To
Do With It" and several other more recent songs.
Thanks
Don
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:09:08 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Whispers, etc.
Simon White wrote:
> ...there's a Walter (and a Wallace) Scott in The Whispers ...
Davie Gordon:
> Yeah, I know about that Walter Scott, Simon, but dismissed that
> possibility as the Whispers had already been recording for around
> two years by the time that Ivanhoe single was issued ...
The Whispers are still touring to this day. In fact they are making
an appearance in my town shortly...Still very strong in the vocal
department and yes, the do sing softly in the background harmonies,
whisper-like...in fact.
Someone:
> I saw a 3-wheeled car in a 1963 Bob Hope/Frankie Avalon movie
> called "I'll Take Sweden" ...
And Esquivel and Bob Cummings once rode in a flying car which
apparently still exists according to sources I have close to the
long time pending bio-pic of Esquivel.
Charles G Hill wrote:
> An addendum to Mike Thom's Tommy James version analysis: There is
> a sixth version of "Crimson" ...
Then there are covers of Tommy James songs that many Spectropoppers
may own. I have a particularly good 45 by The Naturals, a soul vocal
group, of "Crystal Blue Persuasion." Others?
JB
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:22:13 -0000
From: Ian Slater
Subject: www.joeyheatherton.net and other closed web-sites
In the discussions on Joey Heatherton, someone mentioned that she
used to have a web-site that is now closed at www.joeyheatherton.net
All is not lost!
This and squillions of other closed web-pages can be recovered from
The Internet Archive, so long as you know the web address. Go to:
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
Then type or paste the address (just as Joey's quoted above) in the
space provided, press "Take me Back" and Voila! A list of pages that
existed at various dates with asterisks to show when it was updates.
You need to click on a number of these and hunt around but you should
be able to recover most of what existed.
A few tips and cautions with the site:
1. Make sure the http:// element of the address (which is already
provided) is not duplicated or left out.
2. Not all sites are archived and with very big ones the links
provided only seem to extend to the first hundred or so of the total
number of links identified.
3. There is (as yet) no text-search facility so you need to know at
least part of the URL / web address you are looking for.
4. Be prepared to hunt around and experiment to get the best out of it.
It's a researcher's dream!
Ian Slater
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:41:38 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Foreign Language versions
I think I have mentioned the craze amongst Mod DJ's for foreign
language versions of mod/soul favourites. I guested on a programme
of French covers with fellow Subcity DJ Marjorie who actually comes
from Paris. I picked up a singles wallet with about twenty ep's in
a thrift shop. No killer tracks unfortunately but we had fun
playing them Slvie, Marie la foret, Claud Francois, Frank Alamo
amomngst others.
However my favourite foreign language tracks were only released two
months ago. In an amazing story Berry Gordy heard Cal Gill speaking
in fluent French. Berry brought a French producer and made the
following records. He then did nothing with them not even releasing
them in France. Apart from Le Hokey Pokey (That's the Hokey Cokey
en Anglais for us Brits) I don't think the Velvelettes recorded
English versions: Puisque Je Sais Qu'il Est à Moi (As Long As I Know
He's Mine); Tu Perds Le Plus Merveileux Garçon du Monde (You Lost The
Sweetest Boy); Le Hokey Pokey (The Monkey); Je Veux Crier (My Foolish
Heart (Keeps Hanging On To A Memory)).
FrancoisM
reflections on northern soul Saturday's two thirty pm
http://www.radiomagnetic.com or listen to an archive show
http://www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/index.php?genre=&show=65
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:13:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Tommy James covers
James Botticelli wrote:
> Then there are covers of Tommy James songs that many
> Spectropoppers may own. I have a particularly good
> 45 by The Naturals, a soul vocal group, of "Crystal
> Blue Persuasion." Others?
Don Fardon (ex-Sorrows, of "Indian Reservation" fame,
currently of, er, "Line Dance Fever," apparently ...)
recorded a storming version of "I'm Alive." At the
other end of the spectrum, there are Billy Idol's
"Mony Mony" and Tiffany's "I Think We're Alone Now"
(which I for good and I presume obvious reasons I
don't have). There are a couple of Chinese "Hanky
Panky"s on Girls in the Garage Vol. 9 (GITG "Oriental
Special" on CD), one in Mandarin (Nancy Sit) and one
in English (Rita Chao and Teh Quests), I think it's
the latter from which Marc Bolan seems to have lifted
the opening riff of T. Rex's "Twentieth Century Boy".
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:15:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Foreign Language versions
Frank Murphy wrote:
> I think I have mentioned the craze amongst Mod DJ's
> for foreign language versions of mod/soul favourites.
That's me all right, and not just soul ...
> However my favourite foreign language tracks were
> only released two months ago....
And The Velvelettes are, starngely enough, my favorite
Motown band. Thanks again ...
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:31:30 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Cher and Cher alike; Warner-Spector
I would be remiss if I allowed the thread on Cher's Spector-produced "A
Woman's Story" to wrap completely without mentioning its interesting
writing credit, "Spector-Tempo-Stevens." One wonders, therefore, if the
song hadn't originally been slated to be an April Stevens showcase.
Cher's version, along with its flip of "Baby I Love You," are now
playing at http://www.amajor.com/cher .
Both, of course, were produced by Phil Spector, and launched his
Warner-Spector imprint. The W-S 45s discography runs as follows:
1974:
0400: Cher -- A Woman's Story / Baby I Love You
0401: Darlene Love -- Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) / Winter Wonderland
1975:
0402: Cher -- Hangin' On (Just Enough To Keep Me) / (w/ Nilsson) A Love
Like Yours (Don't Come Knockin' Every Day)
0403: Dion -- Make The Woman Love Me / Running Close Behind You
0404: unrel.
0405: Calhoon -- Dance Dance Dance / Rain 2000
0406: unrel.
1976:
0407: Calhoon -- Soul Man (Pts. 1 & 2)
0408: Danny Potter -- Standing In The Sunshine / Red Bluff
0409: Ronnie Spector – Paradise / When I Saw You
1977:
0410: Darlene Love -- Lord If You're A Woman / Stumble And Fall
"Lord If You're A Woman" would also make a great musica posting, that is
if it's eligible.
--Phil M.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:06:35 -0000
From: Albin Lindström
Subject: Re: What's your fave Xmas tune?
My favourite x-mas tune must be "I don't intend to spend christmas
without you" written by Margo Guryan. I think Claudine Longet
recorded the best version but Margo herself and also Saint Etienne
did wonderful versions of it.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:25:41 -0600
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: Tommy James "I Think We're Alone Now"
ACJ,
I don't know if all Spectropopper's are aware of the fact that the song
"I Think We're Alone Now" is available in true stereo. It is on the
Rhino CD Special Editions The Best Of Tommy James And The Shondells.
The Catalog number is R271026.
All other CDs or albums have a poor sounding electronically rechanneled
for stereo version from a mono source.
You have never heard the song in it's full glory until you hear this
true stereo version!
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:36:37 -0500
From: Bob Kacerow
Subject: Re: Gallagher and Lyle
Don wrote:
> Benny Gallagher and Graham Lyle were two of the first writers
> to be signed by Apple records in the 60s and wrote for several
> artists of the period... I have most on vinyl but would like to
> know if anyone knows of these albums being released on CD...
Gallagher and Lyle: Seeds, Last Cowboy, Breakaway, self titled
Gallagher & Lyle:
All of those listed above and then some, are now available thru Amazon
as imports from the UK where most were just released to CD earlier
this year.
For McGuiness Flint:
Go to band website www.themanfreds.com and check out the "Shop" page.
Note that they have available thru a Japanese import label a copy of
the Dylan covers album. Also, McGuiness Flint "Malt and Barley Blues"
CD which contains "Happy Birthday Ruthie Baby". Also available thru
Amazon is McGuiness Flint compilation called "The Capitol years". Hope
this helps.
Cheers!
Bob K
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:30:20 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Welcome Steve Propes
Gary Myers wrote:
> For those who may not know, our new member Steve Propes is a doo-wop
> expert, hs written several books and done TV and radio shows for many
> years in the L.A./Long Beach area.
Steve's and Jim Dawson's book "45rpm: The History, Heroes And Villains
Of A Pop Music Revolution" is one which, with all due respect to free
will, personal choice and all that, I don't know how any self-respecting
Spectropopper can be without!
Welcome, Steve.
--Phil M.
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:55:45 -0000
From: Glenn
Subject: Re: Tommy James/Crystal Blue Persuasion
Michael Thom wrote:
> There are actually five released versions of "CBP." For those
> interested in such things, here are the details:
Thanks so much, Michael, for this great information. For me, the
timing is incredibly fortuitous, because I have been on a major Tommy
James jag for the last couple of weeks and in particular on
a "Crystal Blue Persuasion" jag! Coincidentally, I watched a movie
today I taped several years back but never got a chance to see,
called "A Walk on the Moon" starring Diane Lane, which takes place in
1969 and has, over the end credits, a female version of CBP, probably
the same one used in the commercial that was mentioned here.
I have been frustratedly wondering something about the versions of
CBP and now I've found the person who can answer me! I have the song
on CD twice: Rhino's Anthology and the wonderful British import "It's
A New Vibration". Both contain what I believe to be the same version
of CBP, what your refer to as version 3. Now, here's my question: in
my memory, the percolating bass line that leads into the last verse
("Maybe tomorrow...") was WAY out front on the version that I
remember, but on this version it is practically obscured by some
percussion that sounds like bongos. Is my memory off, or does there
exist a version where that bass line is brought way up front? If so,
which version is it, and is it available on CD?
Thanks for your help.
Glenn
P.S. I love TJ's own balladic, echo-soaked version of "Tighter,
Tighter" a lot!
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 1:09:28 -0600
From: Country Paul
Subject: Messerschmidt; Welcome, Steve Propes
Re: three-wheeled car, the Messerschmidt was imported to the US from
Germany in the 50s. One door only, which opened in front!
Welcome, Steve Propes. I look forward to your input, and to more
connections between doo-wop and Spectro-music.
Country Paul
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 02:14:21 -0500
From: David Goodwin
Subject: Re: "Walk Away Renee"
On the Left Banke note...just a quick public service announcement.
There've been two volumes of lossless Left Banke-related outtakes
released over the past year or so. They're currently both being
bittorrented over on easytree.org.
It's worth checking out if you're a fan of the group and its offshoots
(Beckies, etc.)
-D
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:36:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Max Weiner
Subject: 13th Floor Elevator Compilation/Marci Blane
While I realize Spectropop doesn't deal that much with middle and late
60's I would like to ask just a quick question:
Could anybody tell me if there is a greatest hits compilation by the
13th Floor Elevator?
And while I am on the subject of compilations, Mikey wrote in and said
he just got the Marci Blane CD. I went on President Records website and
found the album, but I can't seem to find this anywhere. Any clue as to
where it might be available from?
Thanks much in advance.
max
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:53:53 +0100
From: Frank
Subject: Re: "Walk Away Renee"
Dave Monroe:
> Has anyone here heard Sylvie Vartan's cover of "Walk Away Renee",
> "Quand un amour rena?t"? Absolutely gorgeous.
As a Frenchman, it's quite difficult to appreciate these French covers
which I always found totally atrocious. But if I had to choose the only
one who could get near to what the original versions were all about was
Richard Anthony.
Frank
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:27:11 -0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Re: Gallagher and Lyle
Don wrote:
> Benny Gallagher and Graham Lyle ... (I) would like to know if
> anyone knows of these albums being released on CD...
Don, try here: http://www.riverrecords.com
FrankM
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:37:19 -0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Re: Foreign language versions
Frank:
> As a Frenchman, it's quite difficult to appreciate these French
> covers which I always found totally atrocious. But if I had to
> choose the only one who could get near to what the original
> versions were all about was Richard Anthony.
A year ago Brian Matthews played If I loved you by Richard Anthony on
Sounds of the Sixties on radio 2. It must have disturbed something in
me as I had not heard it in years. I downloaded it from Imesh and then
set out to find the record. It also had an effect on other listeners
as requests were received for other Richard Anthony tracks. To me he's
a particularly fine singer.
When I did that show with my fellow DJ she commented that her Dad had
hated the records of another French singer who later electrocuted
himself. Apparantly her Dad claimed to have changed his attitude to
the power company after their part in the unfortunate downfall of his
bete noire. He still smiles now he pays his bills.
FrankM
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:42:07 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Marcie Blane
Max Weiner wrote:
> ... Mikey wrote in and said he just got the Marci Blane CD.
> I went on President Records website and found the album, but
> I can't seem to find this anywhere. Any clue as to where it
> might be available from?
Try one of these links:
http://tinyurl.com/3tx6o
http://tinyurl.com/439ug
http://tinyurl.com/6hhrr
And those who might've missed it can find the Marcie Blane
Story here: http://www.spectropop.com/MarcieBlane/index.htm
Hey la,
Mick
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:00:32 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: 13th Floor Elevator Compilation / Tommy James
Max Weiner:
> Could anybody tell me if there is a greatest hits compilation by
> the 13th Floor Elevator?
There sure is! Don't know if it's still in print, but I have "The
best of 13th Floor Elevators" on the UK Reactive label REMCD507. It
includes You're gtonna miss me, Levitation, I had to tell you, She
lives (in a time of her own), Never another, I'm gonna love you too
(live version), Thru the rhythm, The kingdom of heaven, Step inside
this house, Monkey island, Splash 1, Fire engine, Dr Doom, Roller
coaster, Earthquake, Reverberation (doubt), May the circle remain
unbroken, You're gonna miss me (live).
As for Tommy James covers, how about the Rubinoos' version of "I
think we're alone now"?
Eddy
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:23:37 EST
From: Claire Francis
Subject: Re: Welcome Steve Propes
Hi Steve,
Welcome to the greatest website and members in music history!!!!!
Well I guess you can tell how much I **love** Spectropop :-)
You have now joined the best website "ranks and planks" of fanatics
who love the music of the sixties and know more about it today than
most of the people who were actually in the business. I am lucky
to have found some of my own music after almost forty years due to
the wonderful Spectropop website.
So hold on to your 45 rpm's and get ready for a great spin!!
Love & Light,
Claire Francis
http://www.clairefrancis.com
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:19:17 +0100
From: Frank
Subject: Re: Foreign language versions
Frank Murphy:
> When I did that show with my fellow DJ she commented that her Dad
> had hated the records of another French singer...
Seems like her father had real good taste... The singer was Claude
François. I'd love to be able to play some French covers on Musica,
but everytime I try there's not enough space. I wonder how Mick
manages to play all these wonderful tracks.
Frank
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