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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Foreign language versions
From: Davie Gordon
2. Re: Tommy James "I Think We're Alone Now"
From: Joe Nelson
3. Re: Central Park West
From: Austin Roberts
4. Re: Tommy James covers
From: David Gofstein
5. Claire Francis records
From: Claire Francis
6. Re: Central Park West
From: Mikey
7. Robert Lester Folsom
From: JJ
8. Claude Francois
From: Frank
9. Various
From: Clark Besch
10. Re: Central Park West
From: Mike Rashkow
11. Re: Tommy James covers
From: Charles Ulrich
12. Re: Tommy James covers
From: Steve Harvey
13. French covers
From: Dave Heasman
14. Re: "Walk Away Renee"
From: James Botticelli
15. Re: Joey Heatherton
From: ACJ
16. Various
From: Austin Roberts
17. Re: Central Park West
From: Austin Roberts
18. Richard Anthony
From: Richard Williams
19. Stop, Look and Listen
From: Will Stos
20. Re: Central Park West
From: Stewart Epstein
21. Three wheels on my wagon
From: Richard Williams
22. Re: Claire Francis records
From: Phil X Milstein
23. Re: Central Park West
From: Mike Rashkow
24. Re: French covers
From: Dave Monroe
25. Re: I Think We're Alone Now
From: Joe Nelson
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:58:07 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: Foreign language versions
Frank Murphy:
> When I did that show with my fellow DJ she commented that her Dad
> had hated the records of another French singer...
Frank:
> Seems like her father had real good taste... The singer was Claude
> François.
Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong singer but I'm fairly sure I've read
that Claude Francois recorded an album at Motown's Detroit studios
the tapes of which are now lost.
Davie
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:10:09 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Tommy James "I Think We're Alone Now"
Bill Mulvy:
> I don't know if all Spectropopper's are aware of the fact that the
> song "I Think We're Alone Now" is available in true stereo. It is
> on the Rhino CD Special Editions The Best Of Tommy James And The
> Shondells. The Catalog number is R271026. All other CDs or albums
> have a poor sounding electronically rechanneled for stereo version
> from a mono source. You have never heard the song in it's full
> glory until you hear this true stereo version!
True, but there's a significant difference in the two mixes. The
verses in the mono are primarily bass and drums for the first eight
bars of verse: totally silence from the guitar and organ track, with
the G&O track faded in rapidly to play a single guitar chord on every
three beat untill the "holding on as fast as we can" links. Very
effective, but leaves something to be desired in stereo and thus the
stereo mix leaves the track intact.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:30:28 -0500
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Central Park West
Previously:
> Actually, my rock band recorded and released "Sweets For My Sweet"
> in 1969. We were called "Central Park West", and our agent/manager
> was Julie Rifkind...
Mike Rashkow:
> Is this the same group in which Austin Roberts was a participant?
> Did the group record "I've Got To Have You"?
Central Park West was actually Cashman, Pistilli and West. The group
I was in with Cashman and West was the Buchannan Brothers; I replaced
Gene Pistilli as lead singer after Gene left the group.
Best, Austin
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:07:04 -0800 (PST)
From: David Gofstein
Subject: Re: Tommy James covers
Lene Lovich did a GREAT ITWAN on Stiff Records back in the early 80s.
One of my favorites, actually. Keep up the great e-mails everybody.
Dave G
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:58:08 EST
From: Claire Francis
Subject: Claire Francis records
Hi all you groovy S'pop members,
I just want to thank those of you who have helped me listen to the
music of my past by posting my songs to the Musica room and also for
sending me the mp3's and downloads, etc. It has really changed my
life.
Since I have joined Spectropop in September several people have
written to me telling me that they would like to do re-issues and
compilations and even hear my new works. I am very flattered and
honestly wouldn't mind doing something like this. However, I have
one problem... I can't remember the names of the records I have
produced, recorded on, written, and helped arrange.
I remember cutting demos for Atlantic and demos in some of the
recording studios like Bell Sound and Mira Sound, and remember Brooks
Arthur cutting a demo or two of me at the studio by his house...I
remember that I cut demos in London for Polydor... I also have a
faint memory of someone telling me that the Yardbirds recorded one of
my songs....I don't know if that is true..but I remember hearing that.
So, I am asking for your help.
I have tried since September to get Polydor to talk to me and they
are out and out ignoring my requests for any information on my work
with them during the sixties. I have never received any royalties for
any of the songs I wrote...and even though the money would be welcomed
...that is not the reason for this request...it is because I want to
give this history to my daughters Kiva and Dawn who know very little
about my work. What ever they have heard, they heard in Musica and
what Phil, Mick, Martin, and Ian Chapman have sent to me. So please
open your hearts and take a little time when you can, and help me find
my work. Below is a list of my songs I have copies of from the Musica
room already.
Recorded on United Artists 1965
I Love New York
Recorded on Polydor 1965-68
I've Got My Own Thing Goin'
But I Don't Care
Some Someday
Who Killed Teddy Bear
Stormy Weather
La Mer
As Before
I Just Wanna Dance
The Last Two People on Earth
If You Don't know
Now That I Love You
Here I Go Again
I am looking for the records of the following artists that I produced
and have not heard in 40 years!
Sonny Childe when I produced his album On Polydor (who later became
R.B. Greaves)
The John Bull Breed (one member became part of the Moody Blues)
Arthur Brown (He recorded "Fire"...(not my record) but I produced
his records at one time)
As I said, I wish I could remember...who else...and I wish I could get
Polydor to answer me. Any suggestions or help and especially downloads
or Mp3s or whatever else they are called would be GREATLY....GREATLY
appreciated, even just titles. I am looking forward to any information
you can send me.
Happy New Year.
Lover of Light,
Claire Francis
http://www.clairefrancis.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:30:37 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Central Park West
Austin Roberts:
> Central Park West was actually Cashman, Pistilli and West. The group
> I was in with Cashman and West was the Buchannan Brothers; I replaced
> Gene Pistilli as lead singer after Gene left the group.
Austin......were the guys in Central Park West the same guys in The
Chevrons?
Mikey
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:03:12 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Robert Lester Folsom
Can anyone supply info on the US artist Robert Lester Folsom? I've
heard only one (BEAUTIFUL) track, i.e. "April Suzanne", which I
assume is from his "Music and Dreams" LP. Please reply off list.
Thanx in advance!
JJ
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:20:00 +0100
From: Frank
Subject: Claude Francois
Davie Gordon:
> Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong singer but I'm fairly sure I've read
> that Claude Francois recorded an album at Motown's Detroit studios
> the tapes of which are now lost.
This could be quite possible. He was a real fan of all US music and he
covered a lot of Motown stuff. I know of one LP he cut in English. I
may even have it somewhere, but I think this one was recorded in London.
Frank
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:35:36 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Various
Artie Wayne wrote of Freddie Perrin:
> Of all the songs that he composed "Say Goodbye to Yesterday"
> [which he wrote with his wife Christine] remains one of my all
> time favorites, since it puts the past in perspective, with an
> optimistic eye to the future.
Artie, I assume you are speaking of the great Wayne Fontana
recording? I don't know of any other versions or songs by that
name. If it is that version, I agree. Great record.
That Alan Gordon wrote:
> suddenly I began to sing to myself over and over so I would not
> forget. "I can`t see me lovin nobody but you. When I joined up
> with the band I asked Jake if he would like to write the song
> with me, he said no so I wrote it with Garry.
Alan, great story which by mid-67 had to make Jake feel a bit like
Pete Best! I can think of a couple of occasions where I thought I
came up with a few lines with melody that I thought could be turned
into a song and sang them over and over to remember them. Forgot
them soon thereafter.
Michael Thom's great essays on T James were enlightening. Your
research into many artists amazes me. That 8 track quad tape sounds
pretty cool! Think I'll run down to Walmart and pick it up! :)
Have you ever seen the 45 version of "Gingerbread Man' On Cd yet?
I helped out a bit with the Varese Vintage release of Tommy James'
70's Fantasy stuff that included "Tighter, Tighter". The version
got a ton of airplay on our local bar I frequented back then,
despite its lack of sales. Good version.
I saw a listing of ASCAP's Top 25 Christmas songs in the paper last
week. Despite the lack of songs from BMI's catalog and the
traditional songs, it would make a great Cd of titles. "The
Christmas Song" was number one, which wasn't a surprise. Nat Cole's
has to be the best, I'd say. This got me to thinking of how great I
always thought "That Sunday, That Summer" was, even tho it hasn't
anything to do with Christmas. It is never mentioned, it seems. Got
it given to me at KOMA Okla City when we visited the station in 63
and Chuck Dann signed it! Anyway, the list is based on ASCAP stats
for the most "performed" holiday songs. It seemed ok until I ran
across #22: "Wonderful Christmastime". Has ANYONE ever done this
besides Sir Paul?? How can that be on the "Most performed" list, if
no one does it but him? Even IF someone else did it, can it be above
#23 "Carol of the Bells", or #24 "Santa Baby"? I doubt it. Wonder
what the top 25 BMI would be? When I was at church Christmas Eve, I
really thought about all the great hymns that would be higher than
those listed by ASCAP. I'm wondering where profits go from those
hymns that are recorded over and over, since they have no copyright
anymore (I assume). Alos, has anyone ever done any in depth research
into the writer of these great Christmas hymns? It would make a
great documentary to find out who these people were that
wrote "Silent Night" and the many other Christmas hymns know by one
and all without knowing nothing of the authors of these songs we all
know and love.
Well, now it''s on to "Rockin New Years Eve" volume 4000, without
Dick Clark for the first time. Hope Dick is feeling better. To
quote (kind of) one of Larry Lujack's fave songs: "We need alot more
Jesus, and a lot less Regis!" With Regis replacing Dick Clark for
the traditional (?) New Years Eve program, it's doubtful we'll have
time for the "ball drop".
Happy New Year, (Nebraska bowl-less) Clark :(
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:45:14 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Central Park West
Previously:
> Actually, my rock band recorded and released "Sweets For My Sweet"
> in 1969. We were called "Central Park West", and our agent/manager
> was Julie Rifkind...
Me:
> Is this the same group in which Austin Roberts was a participant?
> Did the group record "I've Got To Have You"?
Austin Roberts:
> Central Park West was actually Cashman, Pistilli and West. The group
> I was in with Cashman and West was the Buchannan Brothers; I replaced
> Gene Pistilli as lead singer after Gene left the group.
So, welcome back Austin, after a long period of computer problems.
Of course, it is now obvious--CPW.
Now--are you then saying that the original post (stating that the writer
was in the group) was inaccurate? If so, shall we have him slain?
Di la,
Rashkovsky
(in my usual post Holiday good mood)
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:58:29 -0800
From: Charles Ulrich
Subject: Re: Tommy James covers
Dave G:
> Lene Lovich did a GREAT ITWAN on Stiff Records back in the early 80s.
In addition to the English version on her 1979 debut album Stateless,
she also recorded it in Japanese.
--Charles
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:33:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Tommy James covers
David Gofstein wrote:
> Lene Lovich did a GREAT ITWAN on Stiff Records back
> in the early 80s.
She also did it in Japanese on a Stiff compilation as
I recall. I once did a radio show of foreign covers of
popular American tunes and I remember putting her
version on.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:06:39 -0000
From: Dave Heasman
Subject: French covers
Frank:
> As a Frenchman, it's quite difficult to appreciate these French covers
> which I always found totally atrocious. But if I had to choose the only
> one who could get near to what the original versions were all about was
> Richard Anthony.
I tend to agree; his "Donne-moi ma chance" was a pretty good cover.
But I also rather like, for its bravado & over-the-top-ness, Eddy
Mitchell's "Be Bop A Lula".
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:38:23 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: "Walk Away Renee"
Previously:
> Has anyone here heard Sylvie Vartan's cover of "Walk Away Renee",
> "Quand un amour rena?t"? Absolutely gorgeous.
Frank:
> As a Frenchman, it's quite difficult to appreciate these French
> covers which I always found totally atrocious.
Then try Frankie Valli's cover....Spectropop meets Disco. The blueprint
of that sound!
JB
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:58:07 -0500
From: ACJ
Subject: Re: Joey Heatherton
There is a new website: http://www.joeyheatherton.com
It's still uder construction, but you can send it e-mails.
ACJ
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:48:55 -0500
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Various
Steve, I believe Arthur Alexander had a B side called WE'RE GONNA
HATE OURSELVES IN THE MORNING that was covered by Clifford Curry
here in the States.
Don:
> I see Michael T has posted Arkade's "Sentimental Lisa" to musica.
> Maybe you could post the a-side? I've been looking for "Where You
> Lead".
Don, I can't find Where You Lead In My collection either, and I sang
the lead on it. If you do find it, please let me know.
Have a good New Year's to all you Spectropoppers!
Austin Roberts
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:24:50 -0500
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Central Park West
Me:
> Central Park West was actually Cashman, Pistilli and West...
Rashkovsky:
> Of course, it is now obvious--CPW. Now--are you then saying that
> the original post (stating that the writer was in the group) was
> inaccurate?
I'm not sure who was in Central Park West other than Terry, Gene
and Tommy. As far as the Buchannan Bros., they may have sent a
group out but I was just starting to record with Chelsea (I think)
so I didn't go, nor did Cashman and West.
Have 2 Nagilas on me,
AR
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:32:51 +0000
From: Richard Williams
Subject: Richard Anthony
Back in 1963, all really nice English girls had a copy of the
Richard Anthony EP including "J'entends siffler le train" (better
known in English as "900 Miles") close to the Dansette at all times.
Most of them had heard it during school exchange visits with French
families. It was the record that persuaded me to listen to French
pop, resulting in much pleasure over the years from F.Hardy, F.Gall,
Eddy Mitchell, Antoine and even, from time to time, J. Hallyday
(most notably "Quelque Chose de Tennessee", a great Michel Berger
ballad which is not about the state but about the poet and playwright
Tennessee Williams).
Now I'm looking for Sylvie Vartan's version of "Walk Away Renee",
a song which seems to encourage marvellous covers -- my favourite
being by Rickie Lee Jones, on the Girl at her Volcano 10-inch EP,
beating the Four Tops by a short head.
Richard Williams
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:52:01 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Stop, Look and Listen
A while back I was surprised to learn from this list that the
version of "Stop, Look and Listen" on Ace's Chiffons' Greatest
Recordings was not by that group. After listening to "I'm Not
Gonna Worry (Cause I Know He's Mine)" by the Cinnamons, another
BT Puppy/Tokens group, I wonder if these weren't the vocalists
who cut that record?
Will : )
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:56:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Stewart Epstein
Subject: Re: Central Park West
Previously:
> Actually, my rock band recorded and released "Sweets For My Sweet"
> in 1969. We were called "Central Park West", and our agent/manager
> was Julie Rifkind...
Mike Rashkow:
> Is this the same group in which Austin Roberts was a participant?
> Did the group record "I've Got To Have You"?
Austin Roberts:
> Central Park West was actually Cashman, Pistilli and West. The
> group I was in with Cashman and West was the Buchannan Brothers;
> I replaced Gene Pistilli as lead singer after Gene left the group.
Mike Rashkow:
> Now--are you then saying that the original post (stating that
> the writer was in the group) was inaccurate? If so, shall we
> have him slain?
Dear Sir,
Don't have me slain quite yet, my post was not inaccurate. I was
in Central Park West, our agent/manager was Julie Rikfind. His
brother, Roy Rifkind, managed The Buchanon Brothers, whom I thought
was a better band talent-wise than we were.
This is a little complicated and maybe Mr. Roberts can get the
facts better than I can, but the band I was told was the Buchanon
Brothers was NOT Cashman, Pistilli, and West, but it looks like
they were and were not. I think what happened was that there
were two Central Park West bands and two Buchanon Brothers bands.
One of each was the band in the recording studio actually on the
records. Cashman told me in an email that Tommy West is the actual
voice on the record of "Sweets for my Sweet" which he thought
bombed-out. So, I think that means that I was, at least temporarily,
a member of what he called the 'road band', the band that went on
tour. I remember Julie giving me the record of Sweets and telling
me to practice singing it over and over and try to sound like the
lead singer. I was never told anything about being in a road band,
but maybe that's what was going on. I was led to believe by Julie
that the other guys and I WERE Central Park West. I remember Roy
Rifkind putting out his son in The Buchanon Brothers, but that must
have been the 'road band' for them. What might have happened was
that Cashman and West (and maybe Mr. Roberts, too) decided not to
be whichever recording band or bands they were, and the bands I
knew as CPW and BB then became the road as well as recording studio
bands. I am not sure because I quit due to personal tragedy.
Cashman wrote me that HE decided who was going to be put in each
band, and I remember writing him back and telling him the BB were
more talented. Apparently, they went on to have about three or four
hits, while all we had was "Sweets...". I don't know what happened
to the band after I quit it.
Sooo, what I was told at the time might not have been the whole
truth. It shouldn't surprise me. Julie Rifkind had a lot to do
with that fake 'Australian' band called the Strangeloves who were
actually mostly from New York City. I hope Mr. Roberts can sort
this out better than my attempt here, but I was not telling any
lies in my first email. I said what I had been told by Mr. Rifkind.
I really had thought that I was a new member of the whole band,
not just the 'road band'.
Stew
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:41:40 +0000
From: Richard Williams
Subject: Three wheels on my wagon
Country Paul: It was the Heinkel and Isetta three-wheelers that
had front-opening doors, allowing the two occupants of side-by-side
seats to make their exits. The Messerschmitt was the one with a
sideways opening cockpit bubble-top above seats mounted like those
in a two-seater plane, i.e. one behind the other.
In Britain we had three-wheelers of various types, most prominently
the Reliant Robin, which was usually painted orange and driven by
the district nurse. They tended to fall over on sharp bends. No
wonder we failed to give birth to songs such as "Hot Rod Lincoln",
"Road Runner" (both types -- Diddley and Richman), "409", "Little
GTO", "Racing in the Street" and "Mustang Sally". Off the top of
my head, "Drive My Car" is the only credible UK automobile-song
that I can think of.
Richard Williams
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:12:31 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Claire Francis records
Claire Francis wrote:
> I have tried since September to get Polydor to talk to me and they
> are out and out ignoring my requests for any information on my work
> with them during the sixties. I have never received any royalties for
> any of the songs I wrote...and even though the money would be welcomed
> ...that is not the reason for this request...it is because I want to
> give this history to my daughters Kiva and Dawn who know very little
> about my work.
Claire, I'm afraid I have nothing new to add to your quest for
information and copies of your work. I wish I could help, as I'm aware
that many people in the recording industry don't (for various reasons)
collect copies of their own work, and when they try to piece together
such a collection years later it is that much more difficult. Best of
luck with your quest!
I do have a question, however. I note the inclusion of "Who Killed
Teddy Bear" in your list, and wonder what your involvement with that
was. The movie, directed by Phoebe Cates's father Joseph Cates, is a
cult classic, and the recording of the title track is of great interest
to fans of girl group sounds and other '60s pop musics. Please tell us
whatever you can remember about your work on that project.
--Phil M.
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:16:40 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Central Park West
Now I remember the name of the "group" who recorded "I've Got To
Have You"--it was Horatio. It was written and produced by CP&W for
Interrobang Productions. Published by Blendingwell, which was CP&W's
company. Released on Event Records.
I wonder who it was. I do know who it was about.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:19:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: French covers
Frank:
> As a Frenchman, it's quite difficult to appreciate
> these French covers which I always found totally
> atrocious. But if I had to choose the only one who
> could get near to what the original versions were
> all about was Richard Anthony.
Rixhard Anthony?! But I understand your trepidation,
as a lot of French 60s (and then some ...) records ARE
atrocious. Especially amongst yr so-called ye-ye
girls. I've found out the hard way, via hard-earned
dollars, ever-escalating francs, and, now,
skyrocketing euros. And even Sylvie Vartan's vocals
are uneven at best (only Francoise Hardy had, and
retains, her perfectly mellifluous voice). Her
"What'd I Say" and "I Can't help Myself" and "I Can't
Belive What You Say (Because I See What You Do)" I can
at least play out, though her "Twist and Shout" and
"Locomotion" and "Pretty Woman" and ... and ... are
rather less successful, given her tendency to yelp.
Her "Turn Turn Turn" ("Toure tourne tourne"), on the
other hand, is quite lovely as well, almost
proto-Cocteau Twins ...
But here's a question for you all. On her Sylvie LP,
her "L'amour est no. 1" is apparently a cover of what
I presume is a soul number, called "Everything is
Alright" by "Thibault/Owen." "Thibault" I think can
be ignored here, as I'm assuming this is whoever wrote
the French lyrics to the song (French covers often
eschew translating English lyrics for using French
ones which apparently "scan"; on the other hand, April
March in particular has made some brilliantly creative
translations of ye-ye classics). But I've yet to come
up with who might have recorded the song in English.
I paid good money for the LP just so I could spin the
track (see also her 'L'oiseau"), and as I've often
worked my way back from a great French record to a
great Anglo-American one ... well, help! Thanks ...
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:44:35 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: I Think We're Alone Now
Moi:
> The verses in the mono are primarily bass and drums for the first
> eight bars of verse: totally silence from the guitar and organ track,
> with the G&O track faded in rapidly to play a single guitar chord on
> every three beat until the "holding on as fast as we can" links.
Actually, that should be the two, not the three. I need to get more sleep.
Joe Nelszzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
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